Tabletop ovens, stoves ...

[Girls]

Girls I will report to you. There was such a situation.

Delta- I just do not know whether to adapt to it or to carry it back to the store, is she married ??
THE ESSENCE OF THE PROBLEM: I used to have such an oven, plowed for 7 years and for a long time I could not buy it. I finally bought it. I bake a biscuit at 200 degrees, As expected, it is not baked in the end and, as a result, it bakes for a very, very long time. More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=9411.0

generally took it back. I was told that a complex product, so simply cannot be changed. I wrote a statement indicating the marriage. I was told to call in 2 weeks. In general, they called me after 3 weeks, it turns out, and they said that my oven that cannot be repaired, and I can come to me to change, for a new one. I am SO GLAD that the inquiry was resolved without trial, so to speak. I had a grill, this time I decided to take an ordinary, without a grill, just an oven. Tonight I will try to bake a biscuit and I will report !!!!
SO BE Vigilant, pay attention to temperature and baking times. I am amazed at myself, as I sounded the alarm during the time, did not have time to pass 2 weeks, I took it back ...

[Alenka83]

Alenka83, and you only judged by baking, or was there a thermometer? How was the reason for applying under the guarantee explained to them? I also have suspicions about a new oven, do you think it is worth getting a thermometer, and how then to act in a similar situation?

Hello everybody! Now I am with a small report. I finally bought a Simfer 4202 mini oven. Seeing it live, I was surprised at my bad imagination and thought. I imagined her in a completely different way, although I read a lot about sizes, looked at photos, measured all the pots and forms with a tape measure. The stove is very wide and deep, though not too high, or rather I wanted it in height at 32 cm inside, and this is its approximate external height, from the legs to the roof. Considering that inside there are also heating elements and the grate rises a couple of cm higher than them, I thought that I would not be able to bake bread under the dome. However, it turned out, after a week of thinking, pricing and fitting, I found a way out. More about it later, if anyone is interested, because the result is simply superb compared to baking in a conventional aluminum bread pan, which is so praised here on the site. The Turkish assembly pleased me, it was not in vain that I chose it. The complete set of the oven surprised me pleasantly. The baking sheets are real, not plush, they are plump, but the round is simply gigantic, I have not even figured out what to put there on our little family. We have a family, I and my dad and daughter are 2 years old, but I chose a large oven as a complete replacement for a defective oven. Moreover, there was a gift in the box - a beautiful big apron! And I just dreamed about him, but it was a pity for the money. If anyone remembers, most of all I was alarmed by the low power of the oven. I am citing a quote from an authoritative LJ baker for those doubting like me: “Power is a completely meaningless number, this is not what ... gives out, this is what he consumes at the peak, and this, in general, has nothing to do with practical characteristics. This is exactly the same story as with cars, where the number of horses is not a defining characteristic of the quality of the motor. " Indeed, the oven bakes well, heats up quickly, I can't tell you exactly the temperature, I just bought a thermometer yesterday. I will make a reservation that I am still a baker and cook, I have not yet adapted to the oven. However, the meringues turned out, the biscuit turned out, both bread and pizza. and julienne.
I don't know how to expose a photo, maybe someone kind will give instructions in a personal, otherwise the child is sick, there is no time to figure it out. Outwardly, the oven is very cute, white, although I wanted black, I'm still happy. Wait with the report yet.Now there is no time for joy and happiness, as the child said is sick, but I can cook sweets quickly, without nerves and stupefying heat.

[neltibet]

neltibet, a speedy recovery to your daughter and my congratulations on the acquisition of a new "girlfriend"

Did you judge only by baking, or was there a thermometer? How was the reason for applying under the guarantee explained to them?

no, there is no thermometer. I judged by the baked goods. I have just been baking for 15 years, I myself sit and think 200 degrees is the maximum for baking, usually they write 200, and bake at 180. So it turned out that the oven baked at 200 baked, about 2 hours, the biscuit did not blush at all and in the end everything -equally damp. So I look at the oven and understand, as if there is not enough power for it or the indicator does not work ...
Explained this way, based on the instructions. The instructions say that the recommended baking conditions are 190 degrees, 30-40 minutes. I wrote in my complaint "that with the baking parameters declared by the manufacturers of 190 degrees, 30-40 minutes," the product is not baked, it remains raw.
The fact is, I myself sit and think, how did I come up with that. But I was alarmed by the fact that 200 is a very powerful mode, and it did not work. And of course, the baking was not blushed, the biscuit was white ... And I baked 220, it baked, But I baked it for a very long time, it seemed strange to me too, the oven should not be baked for a long time, 1.5 hours

Indeed, the oven bakes well, heats up quickly, I can't tell you exactly the temperature, I just bought a thermometer yesterday.

and why do you need a thermometer if the oven bakes fine?

and a speedy recovery to my daughter !!!! It's terrible when children are sick, it's hard to concentrate on baking ...

... I finally bought a Simfer 4202 mini stove. The stove is very wide and deep, though not too high, or rather I wanted it to be 32 cm in height inside, and this is its approximate outer height, from the legs to the roof. Considering that inside there are also heating elements and the grate rises a couple of cm higher than them, I thought that I would not be able to bake bread under the dome ...

All the same, they took the Turk. I changed my opinion for this week several times. Turk-Rolsen-Romelbacher and so on in a circle.
Tell me the exact dimensions of your 4202. I found 4257 (I aimed at this model, I think they are the same) in the internet: external cases w / h / d - 59x33x47, internal (from wall to wall) 44x24x42. And I figured it out, taking into account that at the top and bottom of the heating elements and + are additional space around them, then the useful (working) height I got was 16-18 centimeters.
Do you have such dimensions? If it's not difficult to measure (when the time will be). And most importantly, how much the protruding part on the back wall takes. How much is the total depth of the stove then? And on top of it, it sways thin iron, can you put a thin thread on top, or will it bend?
And again, if not difficult, look in the instruction book or in the warranty insert for the addresses of service centers in Moscow. Not streets, but how many are there?

[ne_peku]

Hello everyone! Thanks for the good wishes for recovery. My daughter is slowly recovering, already asks for sweets from the oven)

and why do you need a thermometer if the oven bakes fine?

Yes, I don’t have such a lot of experience, and you didn’t answer for a while, as you confirmed the defectiveness of your stove, therefore I ordered a thermometer quickly, until 2 weeks had passed since the purchase of the stove. I play with it on the sly, when I have time, I like it) Until now, I cannot report on this topic, I only remember that in an empty oven there were very high inconsistencies with a stone too. I don't see any catastrophe, I continue to enjoy the oven. Indeed, everything bakes, whatever I put. Today I baked muffins and fried chicken with vegetables. This makes a round baking tray convenient! At the wall, it turns more red, twisted a little and everything becomes evenly. I still wondered where I was so big, but it is just right for the three of us, it fits chicken in pieces and different vegetables on the same floor, or it can be more cramped, it is deep.

All the same, the Turk was taken.

I trust Turku, because since childhood I have been hanging out in Istanbul, they are great. Mom lives there, she dispelled all doubts.He says you don't need a spit in a redber, a toy for a couple of times, take a Turkish one, but with convection, lighting and a temperature of at least 50. Therefore, I turned away from Rolsen, where the mode is from 100 (those models that otherwise suited me).
ne_peku, I did not find anything in brochures on services. This is normal, does it happen? I remember that in my city I looked at the addresses of services on the Simfer website.
Now in size. For some reason, the external ones on different sites were slightly different, I'll tell you my measurements. Width - 58.7; height with legs - 32.7; without them - 29.9; depth without protrusion -38.5; with it it turns out to be 44. Inside: Height from heating element to heating element - 20; from the top heating element to the lattice in its lowest position - 14.4; it turns out a useful height of somewhere 12-13 cm.- my only disappointment, (I myself am looking for such a height of the cauldron. before the heating elements, the husband gave the go-ahead.) Depth - 36.7 without a round depression, with it - 39, the "depth" of the lattice - 33.3; width - 41.7.
I calmly put a grate on the stove and there to rest the pastries, sometimes a bowl of dough, forms that something that will not live there forever. The roof withstands, it just heats up noticeably, I dried a kitchen towel there a couple of times, very efficiently and quickly) I haven't figured out the photo yet, but I received a message, I'm sorry, the computer is buggy, I mostly go from the phone.

[neltibet]

neltibet,
So, the addresses of service centers were found on the simfer website. Information is modestly posted below. Usually they write at the top so that people can immediately see it. There is one service center in Moscow: Sovinservice 109028, Moscow, Pevchesky lane. 1/2, building 1 (495) 917-91-08 metro Kitay-Gorod. Thanks for the detailed dimensions, I will estimate in the morning. Yes, 12-13cm workspace is not enough. But about the round baking sheet, which is convenient to twist, I take a note. About the spit, the same friend told me, played with the chicken a couple of times and abandoned it. If I buy a model with a spit, of course I will try the same for fun.

And how do the temperatures match? + -10 degrees, I would forgive at high rates. At low, of course not. Checking the device with a thermometer is not at all superfluous. Even the settings of the multicooker from instance to instance may differ slightly, or may depend on the batch.

[ne_peku]

ne_peku,
I kind of figured out the principle of how to upload photos, but they are on my phone, it’s not working from the phone. Maybe only from a computer is it possible?

It turned out to be difficult for me to check the temperature. It is not possible while the oven is often baked in different modes, I am afraid to measure for a long time in an empty oven. After all, it still depends on the modes, how many heating elements work, convection, it is not known how accurate the thermometer is. One thing is for sure, the temperature is not negative, but rather positive. That's when it warmed up and coincided, and then began to grow in an empty oven, maybe this is how it should happen, since there is nothing to heat. I tried to correct it, it didn't work right away. Of course I was upset, I thought the thermostat does not work, since it does not regulate the temperature in the right direction. But the point is that it certainly does not happen quickly. Then, the thermometer itself will not give out these changes as quickly. I somehow forgot to put it back in the oven, I blow it, it shows me 100 degrees, standing on the roof. The same cannot be, the surface is not so hot, you can touch it. Maybe more knowledgeable people will teach me how to properly check my oven, and so for the people. I have already scored myself. As I said, I just play with the thermometer sometimes.

[neltibet]

neltibet, do not bother with these thermometers, it makes sense to measure them if you are sure that something is wrong with your oven. You should be satisfied with the cooking time and the appearance of the product in accordance with the recipe, and that's it. I don't know if I conveyed the meaning. In short, if the recipe states that the cake is baked for 40 minutes at a temperature of 180 degrees, you should be able to do it this way + -

[selenа]

selenа, thanks, understood. Of course, I'm not very sure) I burned a manna once, although a heated stone remained in the oven, maybe it raised the temperature.Today I made buns, I wanted to quickly heat up the oven, and set it to max, as I pushed the buns, reduced it by 180, after 5 minutes by 200, after 20 minutes they were ready. What OTHER they were, not like in my gas room! Ruddy, but soft inside! Now I sit and grow my belly for the night. It turns out that everything is ok. Someone said here that the main indicator is baking.

Good time of the day, girls and boys !!! : girl_wink: I read Temka, but does someone know something about such an oven? Gourmet Maxx Halogenofen Genuss Plus, 1600 watts, pure German, my husband wants to buy me on Sunday .... My gas oven, the bottom is on, and the top is white .... And since my husband loves my pies very much .. decided to buy me one device .... Tell me, can anyone use it and know ... is it worth contacting at all? Thanks in advance....

[Fantic]

Fantic, Kraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! and solid, we must take, just decide on the volume.

[selenа]

selenа, Oh thank you for the answer. Unfortunately, the volume of 23 liters ... will not be enough ... but what can you do ....: girl-th: And I also want a pancake maker Orion .... how are you? : girl_pardon: worth it?

[Fantic]

Fantic, Svetlana, I want it myself, I really want it, let's want it together

[Hope]

Hope, I'll order tomorrow via the Internet ... we have it, the cost fluctuates around 300 UAH ... I don't know how much you have ...

I have 30 cm in diameter, bastard ... but I want 2 pancakes and a little less ...

[Svetlana]

SvetlanaOh, I feel bad, doctors, what would you like to order? Orioshu? for 2 pancakes? So how can I live after that ??? Here half the forum will now be on the ears, many want Orioshka. But he was nowhere to be found, although you did not have a Princess either, and today he appeared and the girls ran to buy

[Hope]

Hope, Yes, yes I read ... no ...: girl-th: but on you I shoveled the whole Internet, and on you 3 shops with Orioshki ... tomorrow I will order ... everything can be ... how will they call and say ... in the span you are a girl ...: crazy: and this happens in our time ....

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, order in all three, though, maybe where did you stay? Alone to me with an opportunity

Here's your first shop ... 🔗
here's the second ... 🔗
and here is the third ... no ... no disappeared ...

it is not put into the basket by any of the second links (

[Love]

Love, I need to call ... then I will report ...

[do the owners of zymfer have any problems related to this?]

Good day!

Opt for a large tabletop oven while settling on a Simfer 4207 and an expensive Rommelsbacher bg 1650

In Simfer, in principle, it suits everything according to its characteristics, except for one thing - for all zymfers, the back wall is just a metal sheet, it will heat up ... and it is still unclear whether there is a spit or not - different sources have different information.



Turk functionality:


But the spit is not critical, more worried about the heating of the back wall - do the owners of zymfer have any problems related to this?
Rommelsbacher likes the design and appearance, the back wall is thermally insulated, but it does not have a grill + convection mode, only an upper grill, and convection is available in heating modes.


Functional German:


It is strange that such an expensive oven has worse functionality than more affordable ones. But can it be justified?
How useful is this mode (grill + convection)?
In general, as I understand it, a grill is just a top heating mode, but heated to red by a heating element? ... Is the zymfer the same?

[Barsuk]

Barsuk, I have romik and it has a convection grill, no convection grill

I need to call ... then I will report ...

iiiiii ...

Well, none of the owners of the zymfer had any problems due to the heating of the back wall?

[selenа]

selenа, 🔗 There is still ...

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, many thanks

[Hope]

Hope, Was it useful? : girl_mad: I made an order here ... 🔗... they send to Ukraine, but 110 volts are needed there ...

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, so I was confused by 110 volts, so I'm not "about * Orionic"

[Hope]

Hope, So here I am too ...: skovoroda: Well, nothing ... let's look ...

People with Delta, call me back! I bought a 40 liter Delta today what to do - mania of gigantism
So, in the store, something didn’t pay attention to this, but at home they found that its inner surface was made of galvanized steel, not stainless steel ... Is this not buzzing? or not in principle? can any thread help me with this issue?
I have not tried it in operation yet, I just ignited it

[Barsuk]

Barsuk, I have a simfer, however 4202, stands on the table top 10 cm from the tiled wall. It certainly heats up, and not only the back wall, but I don't see a problem.Big gas with double glass was heated, so I was always afraid for the child, it is located low. And the desktop can be placed as conveniently, within the scope of the possibilities, of course.

[Irina]

Irina, but what's wrong with galvanized steel? In my opinion, before (and now) buckets for drinking water are made of this steel. And the walls of the oven will not come into direct contact with the food, and then practically in more than one oven there are no stainless steel walls (I saw only in microwaves), mostly steel with various coatings. These are my thoughts, but just in case, you need to read about galvanizing

selenа, thanks ...
yes hto knows him, bad / not bad ... we are scared now, we are afraid of everything
to read about galvanizing - I will already be sick, yesterday I had plenty of different information, some write that zinc vapors (or its oxides, not the essence for me) begin to stand out when the surface is heated to 1000 C, and others - almost only up to 180 C Here Go figure it out.Is it possible to go to my neighbor's place obliquely - my former classroom teacher, a chemist - but this is purely theoretical she will tell me ...

here it is, my oven 🔗 cost 4600 - that's 40 litas without convection, with a grill function and suitable for barbecue. that's what I was led to, although I did not like the thickness of the outer metal in the store - at the top the sheathing "plays" but resigned itself. and now this galvanized ... in the description on the site, by the way, it says: "Working chamber made of stainless steel" well, it doesn't look like it's not stainless steel

by the way, the godfather generally took some kind of inexpensive, it is written Turkey - now, I found 🔗
there without any special bells and whistles, but there is a plus - the lower heating element is completely closed. The volume is finally 50 liters

I am sitting in thought - to go, perhaps, hand over this, and look at the store where she took it .. Will they take it back? ..

[Irina]

Irina, well, a volume of 50 liters is too much, 40 liters is ideal. Yes, I read that the declared stainless steel. Maybe you misidentified the coating of your oven, and it is not galvanized? But from my own experience, I know if I’ve gotten into my head it’s better to hand it over.

yes oto - if in doubt, then well, its nafig yes, only the problem is that there is more choice and there are no 40-liter ones, the current is white - I don’t want white
however, there is still such a thing 🔗 only 40 liters. I know that in this thread it was not advised to take with burners ... well, what if the truth will come in handy, it is already a couple of thousand more expensive (((

[Irina]

Irina, for these couple of thousand and buy yourself a glass-ceramic induction hob, and do not fence a garden with these burners, I do not know where you will survive, but you need to search or order on the Internet. But this is my opinion, which does not claim to be true.

All dd!
I ask for help in choosing a mini oven.
I want: 1) double glass - because there is a small child in the family.
2) with convection - I plan to bake pies, pizza, cookies, casseroles in it. Therefore, I realized that I also need a volume of more than 30 liters (??). (To make baking). Well, I also plan to bake chicken / fish / meat in it, but I suppose anyone can handle this. Family of 3 people.
3) Backlight

What to choose? Or maybe something else to take a closer look at? It's just that there is nowhere to really see (there are only Saturns, which I do not want). These can be obtained from online stores. Belarus.

1) Steba KB 41 - 38 liters
2) Steba KB 28 -28 l
3) Rommelsbacher BG 1550 -30 l did not find how many glasses there are in the door (And is there an internal light?
5) ROMMELSBACHER BG 1650 - 40 l (this is expensive .. does it make sense?)

In general, I realized that I lean more towards Steba. The owners of such stoves, please respond! Are you satisfied with everything? Take more (41 models) or enough 28

[Miss-s]

Miss-s, I already wrote several times in this topic about

ROMMELSBACHER BG 1650 - 40 l

The double glass gets warm anyway. If you have any questions about this particular model, then I will answer you.

oh, I still handed over my Delta with an incomprehensible surface inside ... I honestly wanted to change, but they all puffed, but returned the money ...
Met in "Search" Simfer !!! For our area (small town), this is really amazing. But they have only a couple of them and it is worth it. This handsome guy liked:

Electric oven Simfer M 4202 42 l
Lower and upper heaters
Convection
6 heating modes
Backlight

In addition, with a discount of less than 5 tons. was worth it - at such a good price I didn't even find it on the internet (I don't know, maybe they took it already ...).
It seems that the back wall is not thermally insulated ... I remember, they wrote about it here, but I don't remember what anymore ...

Is it worth bothering about this if you like the rest?

All dd!
I ask for help in choosing a mini oven.
I want: 1) double glass - because there is a small child in the family.
2) with convection - I plan to bake pies, pizza, cookies, casseroles in it. Therefore, I realized that I also need a volume of more than 30 liters (??). (To make baking). Well, I also plan to bake chicken / fish / meat in it, but I suppose anyone can handle this. Family of 3 people.
3) Backlight

...
In general, I realized that I lean more towards Steba. The owners of such stoves, please respond! Are you satisfied with everything? Take more (41 models) or enough 28

I chose according to absolutely the same criteria. Took Shteba. I have a small, 23 model, but this is what I needed. I am very pleased with her work, and my family
Although the glass is double, it still heats up, do not touch it with your hands! But the double-glazed oven also gets hot, so I don't think it's such a drawback. All the same, at this time I am in the kitchen, no one even crawls, if only to see what is being prepared there, because the light is on during cooking, and everything is perfectly visible.

[Miss-s]

In general, I realized that I lean more towards Steba. The owners of such stoves, please respond! Are you satisfied with everything? Take more (41 models) or enough 28

Miss-s, you can read about Shteba here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=379063.0
By the way, about the glass, somehow I don't touch it, I didn't notice that it was warming up. And yet, Shteba has a gap of more than a centimeter between the glasses, the one that is not ECO on the left is not closed by anything, and on top of the hole, there is air walking, the one that is ECO, judging by the photo, has a wall on the left that covers the gap. Probably all the hot air goes up there. You can check with the hostesses.

Good evening everyone. I'm trying to buy a simfer for 3 days - it's some kind of nightmare !! One and the same model, sometimes with convection, sometimes no, as if no one can say anything. It turned out that Simfer no longer produces convection ovens !! I ordered 4202 in one store, they assured that with convection. Here are 7 I find out.

I ordered 4202 in one store, they assured that with convection. Here are 7 I find out.

if not a secret, where and how much did you order?

Good evening, tell me, please, I am interested in the 3275 Delongee stove that is 32 liters.
How does convection turn on there? forced or separately?
what modes are there? work of upper, lower, upper + lower tenses? and convection in what cases?
how many baking trays are there? 2?
I am interested in baking pies, rolls, cookies, pizza.
Airfryer makes meat and chicken.

I did not find a topic about a mini-oven with a VES SK-A20 breadmaker function. I asked a lot of questions about it myself, and in the end I bought it. .... As it turned out on my head.

At the first kneading, the retaining ring flew off, the metal flew off the bucket shaft, the plate, which was on the shaft and transmitted rotation from the drive to it. It was too lazy to fight with the store, hands grow from where it is necessary, but on the knee, it did not work to return everything to its original state. Not really necessary, and laziness ...

As a result, having defeated laziness, and more out of need (broke the shaft on a bucket of another bread machine), he made it a bucket. He sharpened the retaining ring. It seems that it has not flown off yet ...
Along the way, having disassembled, bent the ever-ringing fan blades (silence ...), instead of the torn off self-tapping screw on the fastening of the bread machine drive, put a bolt and nut (strange sounds disappeared when this drive was turned on), removed the backlash on the spit (although still a little backlash remained due to the mismatch between the dimensions of the skewer and the mating groove on the motor shaft).

I put the dough to knead ... This is something with something .... You can make bread on this miracle, but if only it is somewhere in the basement.
For 25 minutes of mixing, I paused 3 times. It seemed that there, in the stove, in the sense, everything was scattered to hell.Normal technique doesn't work that way.

I wrote a review to the market and to the store with the letter E, but it is clear that they did not publish it. It is necessary to sell this feces ...

Once again, like an oven, this thing is excellent (one might say excellent). Multi-chef and chef in one bottle, all with buttons. Only the quality of implementation is lame, and it is lame so that it (quality) is somewhere on the level of disability of the 2nd degree.

The second time I would not buy such a g.

This post almost repeats my post on, I'm not a troll, I just want to help people choose. I, man, I have to shake these pieces of iron .... It's very simple. But people in a family can buy this trough ...

Nothing bad, about the rest of the VES technique, I can't say, the VES VMR-13 marinator itself. very satisfied, but the oven, bli-i-i-innn ...

[2keda]

2keda, hello, and I'm lucky. The bread, however, did not bake much, since we eat only yeast-free, but I do not know how to bake it, it is easier to buy it in a store, but I only use it as a kneader for muffins, casseroles, manniks. Already for these purposes I do not use anything else. I put all the ingredients in a bucket, put them on a batch and that's it. Then I pour it into a mold and put it on baking in the same oven. It bakes well too. There is only one complaint - the lack of backlighting. I'm very happy with the oven

Well, I don’t know, maybe it’s not lucky of course .... I also bought it when I didn’t notice the chip on the bucket, I ordered it in and. there is no store, but they were given in the usual ... That is, they were past the checkout ... The Tajik took everything to me at the checkout and threw it away .... I wrote a complaint to them on the next day, they said they would call, silence in the end. It is clear that according to the law, I myself am to blame, but then I will hardly buy something from them.

Once again, I will say that, as an oven, this is a great option, without even looking at the bread maker. For that kind of money, functionality, like in a multicooker ... There is no such thing in any oven.