Tabletop ovens, stoves ...

[tata-nata]

Therefore, the volume is needed 20-35 liters.

tata-nata, I had the experience of baking in the volumes indicated by you.

in 20 liters. - Firstly, convection is absolutely unnecessary on such a volume. Secondly, forget about pies and Easter cakes. The first ones will have to bake in several passes, at the second, the top will burn before the middle is baked.

at 33 liters is already much better. Pies can be baked simultaneously on two baking trays, swapping them. But low power will significantly slow down the baking process, i.e. the oven will heat up more slowly and the baking process will take much longer. Also, in this volume, there is no way to generate steam for baking bread. By the way, there is no way to bake cakes either, since the ten is located low and the hat is on fire.

at 42 liters - relatively optimal. I bake pies on one baking sheet. Of course, they stick to each other sideways, but there is no "dancing with tambourines" by changing trays.

something like this.

Good day
I continue to share my impressions of the STEBA mini oven.
I'll start with the appearance - the case is metal, matte - it's easy to keep it in perfect condition - just wipe it with a damp microfiber cloth without detergents. With daily use (and sometimes several times a day) for 5 months it looks like new. I wipe the double transparent dark glass with the same cloth. There is no seal between the glasses, they are simply connected to each other by a metal frame from above and below with a gap of about a centimeter between the glasses. That is, the air from the kitchen circulates between the panes and cools the outer pane. The door construction is aesthetic and reliable. You cannot burn yourself on the outer glass when you touch it (for stoves with single-layer glass, the glass is VERY HOT, so my Delonghi has). The door opens more than 90 degrees downward, so that there is no temptation to place a dish or baking sheet on the open door and to avoid turning the oven over.
The camera with the claimed 28L is slightly smaller than that of the Delonghi with the same 28L. There is an inconvenience: the width of the native baking sheet is 35.6 cm - it is installed in the guide grooves, like the grate. I wanted to buy an additional baking sheet, but a suitable standard 36 cm, that is, it does not fit, and you can put a 33 cm wide baking sheet on the wire rack - I did not find this. With glass and ceramic baking dishes, it is easier - they can be put on the wire rack slightly turned diagonally - the chamber is deep, it allows (my glass becomes free. Form with Pirex handles 35 by 23 cm. In the purchased form with a non-stick coating for 12 muffins, the husband slightly cut and unfolded the sides and it is now inserted into the grooves as a "muffin tray".
Girls, I am writing in such detail so that those who have chosen this, in my opinion, noteworthy model, do not have "sad surprises" after the purchase. If in such detail, this is "too much" - write, I will not be offended. If interested, I will continue

[Vita_K]

Vita_KYou write very well, I read with pleasure. I think that it will definitely come in handy for someone. I've been tormented for two weeks with a choice, there is very little information, I haven't found anything at all. And today I ordered Dex, but maybe I would have chosen the staff.

[Vita_K]

Vita_K, I also really look forward to the story. Only the kv 28 model I did not find in nature. There are only 19,23 and 27.

[tata-nata]

Only the kv 28 model I did not find in nature. There are only 19,23 and 27.

tata-nata, It is not officially sold in Russia, although all models are available in Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken. I choose from Steba models
Right here: 🔗 you can see the whole range.

Vita_K, thanks for the tip!

[Lettera]

Lettera, thanks, I studied all the models.And I liked the 28th model
Are you planning to order something from Ukraine?

[Lettera]

Lettera,
And here I was looking 🔗

[tata-nata]

tata-nata, yes, on the Russian site there are only those models that are sold officially.
I was going to order in a German store, it is cheaper there on average by a thousand and a half, but there are also few of them (23, 27, 19 and 80), half of them are made to order. I already thought that it would be easier to go to Ukraine and buy there
I chose 28, for me the optimal model for all characteristics, besides, all my forms and trays fit in there, but, unfortunately, there is not enough space even for her. Only 27 fits into the closet or 23 end-to-end. I was already going to take 27, but here Omela I was scared that there was nothing to bake there, 20 liters, after all.
So I keep thinking

Vita_K, tell me, are the walls very hot? and what is the depth of the stove, taking into account the handle and wire and without (if it sticks out from the back)
So I think, if it almost does not heat up outside and the handle can be changed in depth, it will still fit

[Vita_K]

Vita_K, it's very good that you describe everything in such detail, firstly it's interesting, and secondly, some of the nuances in the review (you can't read this on the websites of the Internet stores) and force you to buy or, on the contrary, delete the described model from the list of suitable ones, so we look forward to continuing

and here Omela frightened me that there is nothing to bake, 20 liters, after all.

Elena, I spoke only about my personal experience. I had a Severin stove, and I just suffered for three months with it.

Girls who have a thermometer for the oven, help me ... check how the graduation and the real temperature correspond to convection. I’m thinking whether to change the oven or not (the equipment is not repairable, but exchange).

And before the new year I bought myself a table stove. Not for baking. For baking, I have a wonderful stationary combination cooker. I need a stove for baking polymer clay (my new hobby), and for this I need the stove to be strictly able to keep the temperature of 110 -130 degrees, otherwise polymer clay will char. So I went shopping with my oven thermometer, which surprised the sellers a lot, but after my explanations why I need such strict accuracy, most of the sellers, at my request, put the tested stoves on the table and turned them on for testing. And then the interesting began. most stoves at the declared temperature of 60 degrees immediately gave out 100 or 110 degrees. And at the set 100 degrees, the stoves gave out 150-180 degrees. Moreover, the amplitude was up to 30 degrees up and down! That is, the stove "keeps the given average temperature in the hospital", for example, the required 150 degrees, so it is heated up to 180 degrees, and then drops to 120 degrees. Then it turns on, bypassing the set 150 degrees, warming up to 180. These stoves were of different manufacturers, with and without convection. I completely fell into sadness. I bought myself a stove, having tried different stoves only in the last store for 3 x (!) Hours. The sellers even offered me to take off my outerwear so that I would not take a steam bath. approached and themselves were surprised at the complete inadequacy of the actual temperature relative to the set one. I advise you to buy a stove only after testing it with your verified thermometer.

it's just that my thermometer shows that the stove does not reach 40-50 degrees to the "handle". That is, at 100 on the scale I have in reality barely 50, at 190 - 150, etc.

Yesterday I called the service center, talked to the master. He wondered why I had such a question. I explained that in many recipes, a certain temperature is set for cooking, which sometimes you need specifically 70, 90 or 110 degrees. He suggested writing office. representatives with a question about the stove, perhaps this is recognized as a warranty case and it will turn out to be exchanged.

it's just that my thermometer shows that the stove does not reach 40-50 degrees to the "handle". That is, at 100 on the scale I have in reality barely 50, at 190 - 150, etc.

Ira, when I bought a thermometer for the oven, I also spent an hour on measurements. In the subject at one time I wrote the results. And I, too, did not hold out to the tem-ru.Since that time, I stopped using the thermometer, and also stopped reducing 20C by convection.

Girls, good day to all
I did not go to the site today - it was unmeasured and I also tested the long-awaited Karcher 3.000 steam generator. And, having entered Temka, I was pleasantly surprised and delighted that my opus on the topic "Comparison of mini-ovens, or how to implement the desired in the proposed" aroused keen interest and, I hope, will be useful.
So, I will continue ...
I have a sweet tooth and cakes, pies are my everything! Therefore, my first dishes in the new oven were proven and favorite cakes. Each recipe indicates the baking temperature, I was guided by the numbers of the temperature regulator and the results did not please me, but alerted me: muffins rose and fell, the chocolate chiffon biscuit turned out to be dense, the eclairs did not rise well, of course, "dancing with tambourines" saved the result, but I wanted the process to be predictable without vigilant vigil through the glass door.
The certainty came when I bought a thermometer for the oven from Lilechka-Lyulek. It turned out that my Shtebochka is underheating by 20 degrees !!! That is, instead of the declared maximum 230 degrees, it gives out 200-210, depending on the mode (with convection t * less).
Now, while heating the oven, I put a thermometer inside (it heats up quickly for 10-15 minutes) and I'm already guided by its readings.
About the minimum temperature. I just made an experiment especially for the hostesses who plan to distribute the dough:
On the temperature scale, the graduation starts from 90 to 230, but there is also a "min" mark. From it to 90 is just a space without divisions. I turned on the "top-bottom without convection" mode to "min": the heating elements are warm, but barely warm - you can hold on with your hand (it feels like the heating elements are 38-41 degrees, so the temperature in the oven chamber itself is lower). The arrow of the thermometer did not move (there is a minimum temperature of 50 degrees Celsius, and outside the oven the arrow is much lower than 50, but there are no divisions) If you are interested in the minimum heating temperature more precisely, I can carry out an experiment with a conventional mercury thermometer the other day.
During the experiment, I realized that the glass is transparent, not dark, as I wrote earlier. For visual control of the process, that's it.
I have successfully adapted to the correction for the temperature difference (an oven thermometer will help us) and I cook every day and with pleasure.
A popular oven menu looks something like this:
Baking - classic biscuits, chiffon, honey; shortbread cookies; puff pastry; meringues and cakes for Kievsky; eclairs
Pies - Tsvetaevsky, Achma lazy, strudel, sand with fruit
Roasting - meat, cauliflower with cream and cheese, fish
Drying - meringues, croutons, nuts
Twice she baked rye-wheat bread in a glass form - the family liked it. But the baking method is not the same as that of our Bread Fairies (250 degrees, stone, steam ...), but a simplified one (for bread dilettantes)
Girls, I saw the questions for me, with your permission I will measure everything and answer the questions tomorrow.
Good night

[Vita_K]

Vita_K, it is with such pleasure that I read your review and envy. Such an oven would suit me very much
But where to buy?

[Rina]

it's just that my thermometer shows that the stove does not reach 40-50 degrees to the "handle". That is, at 100 on the scale I have in reality barely 50, at 190 - 150, etc.

Rina, I also measured the temperature (near the new stove) and determined the temperature discrepancy: I set 200 degrees, and received 180 degrees, etc. We discussed this discrepancy somehow above, but decided to just adapt to the stove (we discussed Delongi stoves). Now I don't pay attention for a long time and I removed the thermometer. But the difference of 40-50 degrees, I think, is too much ... Even then it seemed to me 10-20 too much. And yet - maybe she measured the temperature at the window, there it is always smaller than in the center of the stove? Or maybe it will get hot again ...?

I hope it gets hotter (after all, the stove is not the cheapest one). And I'll double-check the thermometer. I measured, I hope, correctly - in an empty oven, a baking sheet in the middle slots, a thermometer in the middle of the baking sheet.I thought that at the "low-temperature" positions the handle was lying, and at the maximum it would give out the required temperature - figurines.

[Lettera]

Lettera, On the back wall of the stove there are rubber "legs" - stoppers that do not allow you to move the oven close to the wall. Taking into account the stove, the depth of the stove is 37 cm, the control knobs protrude by 2.5 cm, and the handle on the door is 6 cm. Total, extreme dimensions in depth are 43 cm (37 stove with stoppers + 6 door handle).
There are ventilation holes in the case on all sides: on the back wall, on the side walls and on the top. The bottom and outer glass of the door heat up the least.
I have a stove on a shelf so that only the body is "recessed" (shelf depth 35 cm). The door, door handle and adjusters protrude - we do not cling, and they are cold. The kitchen after renovation is not fully equipped with furniture - the pencil case, where the microwave oven and the stove will live, will have a depth of 45 cm (by the way, usually in built-in ovens, the handle and regulators also protrude beyond the border of the facade, and even partially beyond the countertop). On the sides, gaps for circulation and cooling are required.
Today or tomorrow I will bake - I will try to determine with my hand at what distance from the side walls it is no longer hot, but I think 5 centimeters should be left, and on top it is even more than 7-10.

Russian girls, if you have the financial opportunity, I highly recommend considering the DeLonghi EO 3275 option. I specifically looked, it is sold in Russia and your price is lower than the Ukrainian one (we had UAH 2700, course 8, total $ 337, you have 8789 rubles, course 35 - total $ 251). I didn’t buy, because they have not been available in Ukrainian stores for more than six months. And initially she wanted it. The firm is worthy, and + 4L is a very necessary bonus.

[Vita_K]

Vita_K, DeLonghi EO 3275 I have been trying to buy since the end of August, both through the official store and through ALL other online stores. They are not on sale. Therefore, in late November - early December (I don't remember exactly) I bought Redber. Maybe the situation has changed now, but in November they were not delivered even on order.

[Creamy]

Creamy, tell me which one you bought in the end?
pysy. good sellers were caught, I can't imagine that in our stores they would react to such checks

[Vita_K]

Vita_K, Thank you very much! You helped me a lot. I will wait for information about heating.

Taking into account the stove, the depth of the stove is 37 cm, the control knobs protrude by 2.5 cm, and the handle on the door is 6 cm.Total, the extreme dimensions in depth are 43 cm (37 stove with stoppers + 6 door handle)

That's it, but on the site it says, depth 41 cm. And how do they think, interesting?

Elena, I spoke only about my personal experience. I had a Severin stove, and I just suffered for three months with it.

and thank you very much for your opinion. How else to make a choice if there is no way to feel everything?

[Element]

Element, And in Citylink this model was for 9000 with something. It was very tempting. But a familiar master from the service said to me: when the technique is 2 in one or 3 in one, then this is a lottery. If one of the functions breaks, then you won't be able to use the other either. And he asked, do you want to knead and bake? But I have a good Panasonic bread maker and I only need it for baking. I chose Redber.

[Tesler]

As a result, I bought a simple stove Tesler, of course, Chinese. It just has a double glass door and normally keeps the temperature I need (I bought it for a hobby - I will bake polymer clay). But I would not be seduced by this particular model. I would advise you to look for a bigger, more serious stove, even if it is more expensive. First, I baked puffs for testing. And the sellers are ordinary, it's me who sticks, it's very difficult for me to refuse. I can argue

[Natalishka]

Natalishka, the model with the bread maker is different. 3275 is just a stove. With very good parameters. But they simply do not exist.

[Lettera]

Lettera, Me and my "girlfriend" - a tape measure are ready to clarify: the depth of the case with rubber stops (on the back wall) is 37 cm + door handle 6cm = 43 cm. At the same time, the stops themselves are cylindrical legs 2 cm high.Since the "legs" are screwed to the back of the stove, they create a gap between it and the wall, leaving room for a smooth bend in the cord and space for ventilation and cooling of the back wall.
43-2 = 41. That is, 41cm is the distance from the rear wall of the furnace body to the extreme protruding part of the door handle.
This is the arithmetic. Perhaps for the Germans, 2 cm of kitchen space is not important, but in our very modest spaces, sometimes even 2 cm is important.
In the process of overhauling the apartment, which I completed a year ago, my foreman was horrified when he heard the planned number of sockets in the kitchen. And the kitchen designer, seeing my drawing of furniture on graph paper, could not understand why the distance between the shelves in the cabinets is not the standard 25 or 30 cm, but exactly 28, 32.46, etc.
My husband, seeing how I endlessly measure the multicooker, airfryer, juicer, etc. kitchen utensils and draw, redraw, measure again, called me "Blotter", because for me there are no trifles in the arrangement of the House where I live, I create, I love ...
But now, having lived in a renovated apartment for a year, I am grateful to my "girlfriends" - roulettes, who helped all my assistants in the kitchen find comfortable places and ensure their rational and safe "neighborhood".
Over the past year, thanks to the recommendations and invaluable reviews of our wonderful women of forum, an electric meat grinder, a new mixer, a pasta machine, a mini-oven, a steam generator were purchased - and all these assistants are in demand, they are comfortably accommodated, they work hard, saving my strength and freeing up time. Thank you hostesses

[Vita_K]

Vita_K re-read Temko from the beginning and reached your message

Additional grille -....
.... I have a mini oven DEX 28 l - the grille is installed back to back.

and now you describe headquarters for 28 liters? where exactly is the error?

[1oksi1]

1oksi1, Error in the message about the additional lattice. If you read my impressions of Shteba, you saw that in the selection process I considered it as a 28l Dex option, but when I saw it in reality, I did not like the shape of the camera (unequal depth: the depth is less in the upper part).

[Natalishka]

Natalishka. About advertising:
If you look at my profile, you will see that all my household appliances are from different manufacturers. I am not an adherent of Brands, but I appreciate the optimal ratio of functionality-quality-price.
Delongy wanted the EO3275 stove to replace her old model, but did not find it on sale and the sellers said that it was not known when it would appear. I was looking for an alternative - I liked Shteba. In the process of choosing, I looked in Temka for reviews about it, but did not find it.
Having turned out to be a pioneer (the brand is new on the Ukrainian market - there are no reviews), I wanted to share my experience, describing the advantages and disadvantages of MY model (the line of Shteba models is quite large, up to stoves with an upper barbecue grill. I can not say anything about them)
Something like this...

[Vita_K]

Vita_K, Thank you very much! I have not yet decided what to take, because I have not fully decided whether the stove will be on the tabletop (then I will take 28) or in the closet, but you gave me exactly the information that I needed. Let your stove make you happy!
p. from. De Longhi also looked after, and apart from the overpriced they really are nowhere to be found (at least everywhere I saw them)
p.p. When I buy, I will also unsubscribe.

Tell me ... I want to take my parents to the dacha Clatronic MBG 3113. Small and kind of universal. Mother said no to the burners.
It seems that the consumer's review of the analogue of Bomann in the magazine is positive.

Does anyone have a Rolsen KW-3526? What are its internal dimensions?

[Vita_K]

Vita_K, clearly, thanks, I myself also looked closely at the dex, but after reading the reviews on the outlet, I didn't want it, the duct is not put in the grooves since it is shorter (that is, you can only put it on the grate), and so on little things, the timer cannot be reset, no backlights, etc.

All: girl-yes: ordered delivery for Tuesday. Decided on Rolsen KW-3526
I am not removing the question about the internal dimensions. Until they have brought it, you can still refuse

[1oksi1]

1oksi1, Backlight is a very important option for me. Since I am a "semidelkin", I often watch what is happening in the oven in passing from afar, preparing other dishes in parallel. Yesterday I baked eclairs and whipped cream for them at the same time. ... The kitchen is small, 8m. sq. but the oven and work table are on opposite sides. So, from a distance of 2-2.5 m I can clearly see through the glass when the eclairs are "inflated" and the oven temperature should be reduced. If not for the backlight, you would have to come close and look closely.
By the way, on the official website of the Shtebs (the girls gave it above), the height of the inner chamber is indicated as 24 cm, but this is without taking into account the heating elements, the actual distance between the heating elements is 20 cm. But it is interesting that the kv23 model, which, as the girls wrote, is sold in Russia, is the same in terms of the height of the camera - 24 cm, that is, using the volume of 23 liters versus 28 liters, the distance between the heating elements is the same, the baking sheet is smaller in size. That is, flat products (biscuits, napoleon cakes) can be baked on two levels.
And also at the office. the site has a model for 38 liters. For me it would be the very thing, but where is that Germany
Yes, and I am already

[Lettera]

LetteraYesterday, when I baked eclairs, and the baking temperature oh-oh-oh (set 230, the thermometer showed 220), I put my hand to the hot stove, as I promised (I wouldn’t get addicted to perverted experiences by God)
So, you can hold onto the side walls, albeit hot, and at a distance of 2 cm the hand is not even warm. The roof is VERY hot, it didn't reach the back wall, but, in my opinion, it's also hot. It is important: outside the window it is 18 frost, in the kitchen it is cool, I think it is not higher than +18, the stove is on a metal shelf from Ikea, open on all sides - ventilation is unimpeded.
So if in a locker, then the gaps are necessary (I think at least 5 cm from the sides, 10 cm from the top)
By the way, the eclairs turned out to be a miracle as good ...

I also choose, choose, finally got around to the comparative table
here's inf:

Decided on Rolsen KW-3526
I am not removing the question about the internal dimensions. Until they have brought it, you can still refuse

sizes res. 35.5x28, bottom of the pan 31x24
(there was already somewhere)

[tata-nata]

tata-nata, height 30, width 35.5, depth 28 cm

natasic2466 and SHA thank you. And I myself could not find it. Only now I was even more upset. I chose for a long time, I could not decide. And now when she decided it turns out that it is not deep. And I wanted the 30 cm shape to fit. And now what i can do? Refuse and think again? You can go crazy!

[Rina]

Rina, I am sure that such a huge difference in the declared and actual temperatures should qualify as a BRAC. And you, having contacted the representative office of the company, should insist on replacing your stove as a defective one. After all, if the max. the declared temperature is 230, then the actual (-50) is only 180 !!! And this is not enough for choux pastry and for baking meat (while a crisp crust forms, the meat will simply dry out).
I had to contact the DEX representative office on Moskovsky Prospekt in Kiev (though it was not a marriage, but my mother's absent-mindedness - she poured cereals and poured water into the multicooker without inserting the bowl. Everything was spun and cleaned, for money, of course).
And here it is obvious that the manufacturer messed up. And focus on the fact that this marriage makes it impossible to use the device.
I am sure that everything will turn out to be much easier and you will without any problems get a high-quality stove in return, which compensates for all the unpleasant moments of today.
Good luck to you

I will double-check the thermometer in the next few days (there is a suspicion that it is twisting too) and I will make one or two more checks.

[tata-nata,]

tata-nata, I would listen to the first answer of the Elements - both about volume and about energy, especially since there are so many of you))

would choose from:

-Luxel 3520turbo - 39L, 2 glass (children), all modes and bells and whistles, t up to 320 degrees, 59x41x33cm, 2 trays, 1450W
- (lx 3575)

-redber 4290 (4230.4510, (5290)) - at 42.45L (52L), the doors heat up a little, the reviews are good, only the upper t limit is too small - 230g a little more (~ 20gr), 1800-2000W

-delta 05246 - 40Llight, convection, grill, 5kg !!! weight, t320gr, 2 trays - they can)), only this particular model from China
by the way, your 30 cm depth is in all Turkish deltas for 33-34 liters, also with light, conv, small. dimensions, 1300W, etc. goodies.
Today I accidentally came across a store with a bunch of Turkish-Czech-Russian.pr-lami - these deltas are not so terrible, but what large diameters of round shapes they have !! confuses only this unfortunate single glass.
I saw a 52L oven there for the first time! - this is tin (in a good way), I even had fun that you can put it on the freezer - the same width and away from children)

steba, both, by the way, really liked. still translate their website ...

tata-nata Don't worry about the stove you ordered. I have a year as Rolsen 3025 (the previous model). Form with a diameter of 30 cm comes in well !!! It bakes great, and the grilled chicken is just awesome .... Good luck to YOU ​​!!! And goodies !!!

After Vita's story, Steb wanted even more, but we don't seem to have them, or I'm looking badly.

[Rina]

Rina, As I wanted, I bought a Dex for 20 liters. After your observations, I immediately began to check the temperature and was shocked. The temperature at the maximum with the declared 230 was 270-280, and in other modes there was also an excess of 30-40 degrees. I decided to check the thermometer just in case (I have a tescom) and put it in the air fryer. There, all the testimonies were consistent with each other. And now you will laugh, but when I began to cook the casserole in dex, I put the thermometer in there again and it showed exactly as many degrees as I set. That's it.And this is my oven with a casserole and a thermometer

I wrote that I checked the temperature in an EMPTY oven. Still, the product lowers the temperature inside the chamber. But, oddly enough, I have a good care of exactly 180 exposed. So for now I want to double-check the thermometer.

[SHA]

SHA, I definitely don’t want redber, I don’t have a heart for it. I couldn't find Luxel here. But I would look at the delta, but where? It is not available in stores. Where have you found such a shop with a large selection? Can I have an address?