loaf
Good day everyone!
Yesterday we bought SD-255, and today we found that the kneading paddle (both) is put on the shaft with a tremendous backlash - that is, it just dangles. The instruction (and common sense) suggests putting the blade "rigidly on the shaft". The store could not tell us anything about this, serv. the center will work only tomorrow ... Could someone from the respected members of the forum comment on this problem? Thanks to all!!
Elena Bo
loaf, everything is in order. It should be so, do not hesitate.
loaf
Thank you for your prompt response and improved mood for our entire family!
Apparently, there are problems with the translators in China, since they mentioned the rigid attachment?
Celestine
I also read somewhere on the forum, someone puts a match between the scapula and the rod, so everything is in order
Dance
Please help me with advice on how to get a stuck spatula out of rye bread for kneading - I found on the forum that this was done with a wooden spatula for pans, but I don't understand how - the crust at the bottom of the loaf is dense and crispy - how can you get there at all? There is only a small hole left, the whole kneading paddle inside! I would like to somehow quietly do this without cutting the bread!
Tashenka
It was necessary to take it out immediately, from hot bread. Then the crust is not so hard yet. When this happens to me, I resort to using plastic kitchen tongs for meat or, which is much more convenient, with my fingers. Yes, it "bites", but ... Now there is a silicone glove, but before ... Brrrrrrr! ...
Dance
Yes, the crust is just in the hot bread and is hard ... I thought it might be softer when the bread cools.
Pet
I take it out whenever I want. There was a wire hook included with my bread machine. Push the hook into the hole of the mixing blade, hook and pull. Can't figure out what the problem is?
If there is no hook, then you need to make it. A very convenient and necessary device.
Alen delonghi
Quote: Dance

Please help me with advice on how to get a stuck spatula out of rye bread for kneading - I found on the forum that this was done with a wooden spatula for pans, but I don't understand how - the crust at the bottom of the loaf is dense and crispy - how can you get there at all? There is only a small hole left, the whole kneading paddle inside! I would like to somehow quietly do this without cutting the bread!

Someone on this site suggested this option: so that the spatula does not get stuck in the bread, you need to jam it with a piece of a wooden toothpick on the axis. I suggest trying to wedge the axle with a piece of food foil. But the best option is to grease the axle itself with a drop of unleavened dough before putting the paddle on the axle. Then the spatula will bake and will always come out of the baking, and then in 15 minutes, pouring warm water into the bucket of the bread machine, soak the dough and you can take out the mixer.
fugaska
but I do not like the "baked" shoulder blade, I just take it out of the dough on the last approach. by the way, without a spatula and bread falls out of the bucket more easily
Alen delonghi
Quote: fugaska

but I do not like the "baked" shoulder blade, I just take it out of the dough on the last approach. by the way, without a spatula and bread falls out of the bucket more easily
I baked a dozen loaves of bread in my Delongy 125, the spatula always comes out easily as soon as you turn and shake the bucket. Why shouldn't she go out? It is, firstly, non-stick, and secondly, it is specially made with a wedge. And the cracks from the scapula are almost invisible. It is possible to remove the scapula from the dough beforehand, but what kind of baking machine is it then to get dirty with it regularly? Threw away the ingredients, turned it on and - you get your bread at the right time! But - this is IMHO! Someone may not like a little hole.My schoolboy son picks out lard from any sausage, he can't stand it. And no way to wean.
Dance
Thanks for the hook - the simplest and, I think, the most convenient option.
oldcook
Quote: Elena Bo

loaf, everything is in order. It should be so, do not hesitate.

There should be no big backlash. But some "free play" of the blade drive reducer is obligatory - otherwise it will break right away.
rival
I think this was done on purpose, so that it would be easier to get bread))
I have a 50/50 spatula in the bread, then it remains on the shaft)))
zabu
Quote: loaf

Good day everyone!
Yesterday we bought SD-255, and today we found that the kneading paddle (both) is put on the shaft with a tremendous backlash - that is, it just dangles. The instruction (and common sense) suggests putting the blade "rigidly on the shaft". The store could not tell us anything about this, serv. the center will work only tomorrow ... Could someone from the respected members of the forum comment on this problem? Thanks to all!!
Do not be discouraged, it should be so. When I bought my Panasonic-253, I also had doubts that the big gap between the mixer and the shaft hurt. At the service center, they explained to me that she should dress freely on the shaft, as Celestina correctly wrote, a match should pass and there should be a slight backlash.
Aglo
I think that the backlash was made on purpose so that the dough would be hammered into the gap. Then the dough is sintered, fixes the blade on the shaft and it does not remain in the bread during the extraction.
ElenaL
Tell me please! I bought HP Panasonic 253. It was already a year ago. Only now I realized that I do not have a spatula for kneading rye dough. It's a shame! Maybe someone knows - can I buy this paddle separately? In Moscow.
Rustic stove
can try to contact the service center? mixers are not sold separately
Elena Bo
Is she needed, a rye paw? I like it better when a simple spatula kneads. I put it several times for rye, but for some reason after it the top of the bread is so terrible, ribbed.
But, if you need it, then of course you need to ask and order at the service center.
natalka
In all the other stoves, there are no special mixers for rye dough and nothing, they somehow cope. Maybe it is somehow better for such a specific, in its consistency, dough, but its absence is not fatal.
ElenaL
Oh girls! Thanks for answers! :) Maybe this scapula is not required! I lived without her. Then I just saw what should be and worried that I would do something wrong
I have never baked rye bread yet. I decided to tackle this issue and rested in the absence of a scapula
If it is possible with an ordinary spatula, then I will not bother!
Thank you girls!
zabu
Quote: ElenaL

Oh girls! Thanks for answers! :) Maybe this scapula is not required! I lived without her. Then I just saw what should be and worried that I would do something wrong
I have never baked rye bread yet. I decided to tackle this issue and rested in the absence of a scapula
If it is possible with an ordinary spatula, then I will not bother!
Thank you girls!

In the Panasonic e Plaza store 🔗 or in Panas service at 15 Lubyansky proezd, 2nd floor, tel. 5144030. A scapula cost about 350 rubles.
ElenaL
Thank you very much for the information. I will definitely use
Aglo
The regular shoulder blade is no worse. The spatula for rye bread does not provide any visible advantages, it creates a greater load on the engine and rotates very hard in thick dough.
Six months ago, my relatives from Moscow brought it to me at my request.
Ordered in 🔗, it cost then 253 rubles.
I am not using it at the moment.
Yana
The scoop is required for the Rye Bread program in SD-255 and the manufacturer recommends it for this particular program. And SD-253 does not have this program. So why waste money on unnecessary items? It is quite possible to get by with one paddle for the SD-253.
Hope
The shovel for rye bread has three prongs, unlike the standard one. I think that with this shape the load on the engine is reduced, as the prongs pass through the dough more easily than a solid surface.
I always use it, but sometimes I forget to change the blade and nothing bad happens. So it is quite possible to do without it.
Elena Bo
Quote: Yana

The scoop is required for the Rye Bread program in SD-255 and the manufacturer recommends it for this particular program. And the SD-253 does not have this program. So why waste money on unnecessary items? It is quite possible to do with one paddle for the SD-253.

Who told you that there is no rye bread program in the SD-253? There is even a special shoe. It's just quite possible to do without it (I don't use it, I like it more with a simple spatula).

And if you do not know the features of other bread machines, then let's not confuse others, but rather keep silent.
Andreevna
Yana, the difference between the 253 and 255 model is only in the Italian program - dumplings and cases, in the 253rd the case is metal. And of course, the 253rd has a rye bread program. I hardly use a spatula for rye, a simple spatula can do just as well.
Yana
Andreevna, but I did not know about it. Then it turns out that the 253 model is still better. It has a metal body.
Andreevna
Quote: Yana

Andreevna, but I did not know about it. Then it turns out that the 253 model is still better. It has a metal body.
Yana, I think that the body is not the main thing, because they both bake bread well!
Nira
And I just did not notice this scapula. And for a whole year she baked all the bread with the usual one. And only when for some reason I began to re-read the instructions, I discovered that there should be one more paddle for kneading. I went to look for it, it's good that I didn't throw the box away, and found it. But even now I sometimes forget about her. And I bake Borodinsky with an ordinary spatula and nothing terrible happens ...
ElenaL
Girls! Thank you all for your feedback!

I, too, probably did not notice the shoulder blades and threw out the box, unlike Nira

From all the reviews, I realized that the absence of this rye shoulder blade is not catastrophic.

And the dough on dumplings can be made in 253. It turns out great
ness
IMHO (since not an engineer) - backlash saves the motor from overload at the moment the blade starts to move in the test. This is especially important when kneading dumplings.
Mams
People, does anyone know if these stoves have the same basic blade or not? Can I use 253 to 255?
Celestine
Quote: Mams

People, does anyone know if these stoves have the same basic blade or not? Can I use 253 to 255?

The buckets are exactly the same, which means the spatula is too
Mams
Celestine, I think so too ... on those sites where you could see spare parts for stoves - no information, even if they wrote some numbers ... Maybe this is on purpose to confuse the consumer?
In one firm a shovel for 255 costs 720 rubles, in another for 253 - 350 ... a mystery of nature, damn it ...
Celestine
I saw a bucket and in general a stove 255 (I have 253) are absolutely identical, and the pin is the same. By the way, I can also say that I have a spatula without a hook, just a little checkbox and that's it, and for a rye - a rake
Mams
Thank you, Celestine, I will try to order a spatula for 253 her.
In my 255 oops - also an ordinary shovel and a rake shovel.

Isn't it difficult to photograph your own? And put a ruler next to it so that the scale is better seen? And I, in turn, will take my pictures tomorrow afternoon. My batteries run out as usual
Celestine
the size of the scapula itself is -6 cm
completely - 6.5 cm

I was able to take a picture only with a camera, the camera is discharged ... as usual
Kneading paddles
Mams
Oh, I didn't see it right away, thank you very much!
Here is a photo of my ...
Now they are exactly the same.

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Kneading paddles
3ay4ik
what, is it broken? From what? write, we will take care of ours
Mams
3ay4ik, no, it didn't break with me (TTT), it was scratched by a large number of nuts, and I also hooked it with a knife when I got it out of that bread. So I want to buy a spare one so that I can knead dough with nuts with a scratched one, and bread without additives with a new one.
3ay4ik
Got it, thanks. And I, if suddenly the blade remains in the bread, I press my finger along its entire length and around the hole, the crust breaks and the blade can be removed by hand without a knife or any other pick.Only, of course, when the bread cools down a little
Mams
3ay4ik, at that time I got such a loaf ... that it was only possible to pick out of it ... for my great baking experience - this was the first time ...
Tanyusha
And why with a knife pick out a spatula from me to the stove a special hook is very convenient, though I used it a couple of times when the mixer got stuck.
Mams
tanya1962, in general, probably a good thing - a hook for a stirrer. And I have never had a stirrer in my bread, I didn’t need it, and even after that unfortunate black one it didn’t get stuck either ... and they don’t give such a hook to Panas. I ought to do it myself. I'll try to strain my husband on the weekend, maybe he will

By the way, I ordered a stirrer. Should come within 2 months. Wait

Yana
Quote: Mams

tanya1962, in general, probably a good thing - a hook for a stirrer. And I have never had a stirrer in my bread, I didn’t need it, and even after that unfortunate black one it didn’t get stuck either ... and they don’t give such a hook to Panas. I ought to do it myself. I'll try to strain my husband on the weekend, maybe he will

Mams, buy a regular plastic crochet hook # 5 1/2. It is great for pulling the agitator out of finished bread.
Mams
Yana, thanks for the advice ... in principle, I don't need to buy ... I have a lot of these hooks, I knit ... I just need to find one that will not be needed, but wash it with baking soda.

Yana
Mams, I also knit. I found an extra hook from 20 years ago, tried to somehow remove the stuck mixer from the bread with it and it turned out great. Now she has been postponed specifically for this.
1321644
Experienced bakers, please help! Our beloved SD-207 stove is already 4 years old and had no problems! And then the birthday, guests, baked the average wheat and that's it !!! The kneader is jammed in the bucket! The spatula is not spinning - dead !!! Is it being renovated at all? Or do I need to buy a new uniform?

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