Panasonic - SD-255 or BORK - BM SBA 1062 SI

Was today in the European on Kievskaya. They strongly campaigned for Bork. But do they know if he knows how to bake rye bread ??? But it is iron and the mechanism for fastening the knife is iron. Advise what to take

Don't worry about the Rye program. Even if she is not in Bork, it’s not scary! On the forum, many (including myself) make rye bread in the "Dough" mode (kneading), and then proofing with the HP off, then turn it back on to the "Baking"
I looked at Borg in a search engine. Stylish, so cute ... The display is large, the window ... Bribed by the presence of 2 buckets - square and round, you can bake real Easter cakes. The names of the programs, like that of Panas, are in English. Poorly! The Russified menu is much more convenient!
All other features are the same for both stoves. For the price, Bork is much more expensive ... I saw only Panas in work and was delighted with the quality of the batch. and from the quietness of the work, and from the quality of baking. I haven't seen a single loaf from Bork, so I can't compare it by the baking result.
You may have to choose on a like-dislike basis.

Exactly. Easter cakes are important. Easter is coming soon.

Was today in the European on Kievskaya. They strongly campaigned for Bork. But do they know if he knows how to bake rye bread ??? But it is iron and the mechanism for fastening the knife is iron. Advise what to take

The site has a button "search", if you used it, you would find a lot of information about this stove.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=3018.0

There is also a comparison with Panas.

Good day! I accidentally came to this site and just got infected with the idea of ​​buying a bread machine! )) 1 trouble ... I just can’t choose (((I really want the oven to combine what is called "all at once" all kinds of kneading / baking modes ... including I would also like baguettes, and Easter cakes, and so that there are also breads of different sizes ... Apparently, I want too much .. But, nevertheless, I hope that you you can help me! .. While the eye fell on the Bork oven, Panasonic 255 and Moulinex 5004 ...
Yes, and I also wanted to ask how important the window is so that the process can be observed ...

I will praise my swamp Panasonic 255 super!
The window is not needed at all! Here they wrote about non-baking (pale roof) with him, cover with foil and other dances with a tambourine ...
My opinion: HP should be like a Kalashnikov assault rifle I fell asleep and forgot!
I remembered when to get it
And so that with a minimum of punctures!
Panasonic is like that

The window is not needed at all!

Well, don't tell me - at first I did not leave the window at all - and even now I regularly look at how things are progressing in the stove.

so the window is a very informative thing, but the upper crust will indeed be slightly lighter than the sides. it doesn't affect the taste in any way, so it's up to you

Forgive me for watching the kolobok, and I often bake at night.
There were no punctures yet

So I decided for myself: God forbid my stove breaks (pah-pah-pah) I'll buy Panasonic again :) exactly what is simple and reliable

While the eye fell on the Bork oven, Panasonic 255 and Moulinex 5004 ...
Yes, and I also wanted to ask how important the window is so that you can watch the process ...

Not Moulinex. I have nothing against these stoves and their owners, but read how many complaints on the forum.I myself had Moulinex 3000 and changed it to Panasonic 255, and then I also bought Panasonic 253 as a second oven and never regretted it.
In extreme cases, it can be considered on an equal footing with Panasonic Delongy125 or Bork, but in the latter there is no dispenser (for raisins and nuts) for two different buckets (round and high).

[Elninio]

the upper crust will indeed be slightly lighter than the sides

But at the same time rosy.
I also use the window. Especially when I bake bread without adding yeast. I always look before baking how high the bread has risen.
Elninio , do not rush to make a choice, read about these stoves. Whichever soul lies more, buy that one. At one time, I also chose between these three stoves.

for that two different buckets (round and square).

I would add that not square, but rectangular, the loaf turns out to be a brick. And Moulinex is rectangular.

And most importantly, feel the different stoves in the store and you will understand that yours is not.

Oh ... thank you very much for your advice ... well, at least now I know that I won't take Mulinex)))
But then what else I want to ask ... firstly, maybe who knows, in bork or 255 bread is tastier? ... I understand that it certainly depends on the hostess, but still ...))))
And yet, if you add raisins to the dough right away during kneading, will it knead it into dust? ... in the same bark? ..

Elninio, read this topic, they will not write anything new to you.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=3018.0

I don't use Elninio dispenser at 255, I put the raisins right away, it always remains intact, I think in the bark, it should also be, take the bread maker that you like best, and about the taste of the bread in these bread makers, Alexandra can give the answer.

oh ... girls, dear ... I'm wildly sorry ... but what kind of curiosity is this slow cooker? is it a bread machine, only with additional functions? ...

here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=71.0

Elninio good evening. I have a delonhi stove, but if I were buying x now. I would buy a Panasonic with programming. And of course I would pay attention to how the stove bakes the top crust. Until I saw a ruddy crust at Hitachi and Panasonic. I also like the traditional form of bread better. If you buy x. then pay attention to the location of the heating element: the lower it is, the lighter the crust. GOOD LUCK!

This BORK is a rather mysterious company! Try to find the site of this company. You will not find anything worthwhile and informative in contrast to normal manufacturers. There is no smell of Germany, and there is no such brand in Germany itself. I think not about any serious support, and about providing z. it is not necessary to speak in parts. I found the history of this and several other companies.

In my Bork the menu is in Russian. It seems to work well. But since there is no way to compare with other models - this is my first bread maker and my acquaintances do not - I will not campaign for it. We didn't bake rye bread - we can't buy malt, but Darnitsky with about 40% rye flour turns out well.

I can only advise, after a long study of this forum, that all models of bread makers are similar in their parameters to each other in most cases: in internal details, in their baking parameters, in external features; because they are all going to the PRC.
We also wanted the stove to be metal, bake and knead everything, be programmable and cost reasonably.
But the stores offer only one and the same, widely known brands, stoves from Panasonic, Moulinex, Kenwood of old models and plus recently released new items from Bork, Tefal. As if there are no more other companies on the market. After a long search, I found several models for myself: Daewoo DI-9154; Vitesse VS-422; Binatone BM2068. All of them are much cheaper than the stoves imposed on us in every store, from manufacturers who are heard by everyone and are visible from all screens. Therefore, my wife and I have settled on the latest model Binatone BM 2068 and are very happy about it.We bake according to recipes from the forum, so far everything is working out.
Once again, do not think that I impose my oven on someone, I only advise on the basis that, during the search period, I felt all of them with my own hands, touched them, revised them, and therefore I have at least some idea of ​​them and how they are made , although they are all gathered in one place according to the answers of the sellers themselves.

Nod1, if you noticed, this topic is not about Binaton, do not confuse. pl. people, find a suitable topic and write whatever you want about it, you do not need to write about your stove in all topics. One gets the impression that you are advertising it together with the store where you bought it. No offense.
This post will be deleted after a while. And I can transfer your post to tips on choosing a stove

Thanks for answers. I bought a Panasonic. And I'm glad of it. Already tried a bunch of recipes.

I chose between Panas and Bork ... After studying the forum, I stopped at Panas. Satisfied, although I think that Bork is not a bad option either

The blade rotation mechanism for all stoves is metal, only Panasonic has black carbolite, as before there were sockets and switches, the buckets are also similar for everyone, and maybe even some fit from each other. When I was choosing a stove for myself, I looked at them all, and it seems to me that visually they are interchangeable from some models.
Maybe someone knows or will tell you, then probably many will be able to additionally buy a second round bucket for Easter cakes, as some here write.

I chose between Panas and Bork ... After studying the forum, I stopped at Panas. Satisfied, although I think that Bork is not a bad option either

And when did Bork become a good option?

In addition to technical characteristics, it should be borne in mind, in my opinion, that Panasonic is one of the brands of the Japanese company Matsushita (as well as JVC, Techniks) with 60 or 70 years of history and its factories around the world, and Bork is a brand of a young Russian company ( by personnel and location), registered in Germany, and putting its mark on Chinese goods of third companies, i.e. in fact no-name. Maybe the goods are not bad, I haven't tried it, but the consumer should know this.

[I created from scratch the BORK brand of household appliances]

Bork is not a Brand, but a wiring for money. Interior and service like Scarlett / Vitek, price like Panasonic.

I quote a little
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His quote: “Today the buyer definitely needs a beautiful candy wrapper packed in a myth, a legend, otherwise he simply won't notice your product,” Grigory Trusov is sure. The wrapper itself, the infogram, includes several things.
It is based on the DNA Brand, which is made up of the legend, value and aesthetics of the Brand.

I created from scratch the BORK brand of household appliances, - says Trusov. - Since Russian consumers trust German quality most of all, the company was registered in Germany in German. An office was also opened there. The advertising emphasized high German quality, BORK was one of the sponsors of the Hunger show. This is how the legend was made and the DNA Brand BORK was created. The logo was also designed in accordance with the legend of the company. "
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[greben1963]

greben1963 One small inaccuracy of Matsushita no longer exists, it merged all its trade marks into a single Panasonic

I knew that Matsushita in certain markets was called Panasonic (Panasonic CIS, for example). And the fact that at the end of last year completely changed its name - no. Thanks for the information. It's a pity, however. Matsushita was a real genius and a man of fantastic inner strength. They could have left his name. And not change the legend to a faceless Panasonic (with all due respect to the brand).

Bork is not a Brand, but a wiring for money. Interior and service like Scarlett / Vitek, price like Panasonic.

It is difficult to disagree with this. In addition to the appearance and the sea of ​​metal, all Bork products are assembled at OEM factories (who ordered the label and pasted it). For example, try to find instructions on their website. And spare parts are usually not required today.
For the sake of objectivity, I note that the VORK has a round shape and the possibility of programming.
There are many reputable brands in this price range and there is a lot to think about.
The capabilities of the VORK strongly resemble the DeLonghi BDM-125S, which is half its price.

I read a quote from the site: Trademark BORK
is the property of the German company BORK Elektronik GmbH and registered for use on the territory of Russia, CIS countries and Eastern Europe ; From the specified page, the feature is highlighted

The company is registered to a German. That's all, this is where Germanism ends. All that remains is our Russian ingenuity and desire to heat up more by investing less ...