Checking upon purchase

Hello dear.
Here they offer to buy a one-year-old Panasonic SD 255. The stove is the first for us, so we want to know how it is possible, at least in appearance, to determine serviceability. In short, tell me how not to get into the purchase. Of course I would like a new one, but in a crisis it comes out a little expensive. What should you pay attention to? what should be included with it? maybe there is some kind of test to check the health of the hardware? Thanks in advance.

The first thing you should pay attention to is the condition of the surface coating of the bucket. There should not be a lot of scratches: the fewer the better.
Download the instructions for the stove
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/im...ic/SD-255_254_rus1114.pdf
You will find information about the configuration - in addition to the bucket, there are also two stirrers, a measuring cup and a measuring spoon.
You can quickly check as follows.
1. Select the "Pizza" or "Quick bake" mode. After pressing the "Start" button, the agitator should start rotating. Cancel the program by pressing and holding the "Start" button.
2. Select the "Bake" mode. After pressing the "Start" button, the heating element should start heating.

grandfather Pikhto-I can offer 2 ways to test the performance of the bread maker:
1-check of the heating element. Remove the bucket from the oven, turn on the "Baking" program, press Start, turn it off after 5 seconds, if the heating element is working, it should warm up.
2-check. Insert a bucket with a spatula into the bread machine, turn on the "Pizza" or "Dumplings" program, press Start, the spatula in the bucket should start rotating.

I would also check the condition of the bucket and scapula for serious scratches.

What's wrong with her? And how would you advise to identify faults when buying? On Saturday my brother will buy me 255 Panas in Moscow time .. And I myself am from Ivanovo.

Before giving the money, check the operation of the stove for fast programs + pizza + dumplings + jam. On them, the kneading begins immediately. After plugging into the outlet, select the program, mode, size, crust with the buttons LEFT TO RIGHT and press START last. Accordingly, we check the heating in the Baking program. That's all you can check upon purchase.

I hope I can find out the details at the service center. One thing I can say for sure - when connected to the network, the mixer should not work.

Just plugged in, and without pressing any buttons, the agitator starts working?

Kind time of the day.
I bought myself a 255 stove and as a result I found this site
I read this forum thread and wanted to make a few comments on the purchase.
I apologize if this has already been discussed somewhere.
I took a stove for myself in November in an Internet store Eplaza Panasonic.
the price was 6190 + 400 shipping.
On the topic of where to get - of course, everyone decides for himself, but there are several BUTs.
Now all firms are fighting counterfeit. Therefore, whether you have at least 100 warranty coupons, but if the serial number does not break or the product is not officially delivered to the country, then there will be no warranty.
I myself saw this several times in the guarantee of a large store.
People brought them back a non-working thing with a certificate from the company service where it was said - This serial number does not exist !!!
Hence the conclusion - Panasonic officially supplies only 254 and 255 stoves.
On their website, only these madedels are presented. There used to be a link that only the products presented on the site have a proprietary guarantee.
(I will separately note that I saw something of the third version of the stove in the Plaza on Gorbushka, but I did not remember the model number. I think everything will be fine there if there is a company receipt and the correct seal on the warranty card.)
Eldorado is a special store.There are a lot of models available that are not presented on the Panasonic website. Accordingly, the guarantee is only in their workshop.
Now about the warranty extension certificates.
If I understand their essence correctly, then a certain amount is taken from the buyer, for which the Seller undertakes to repair or replace the product during the additional warranty period.
According to the legislation, this service is nothing more than INSURANCE !!!.
Insurance in our country is a licensed type of activity.
They could not show me a license in any store.
Conclusion - shops are engaged in illegal business activities. Sooner or later, but these certificates will befall the fate of MMM.
And only the manufacturer has the right to appoint a warranty period for equipment !!! But not as a seller.
So, dear forum users, everyone decides for himself where and what to buy. But remember - the miser pays twice.

Tomorrow they will bring Panasonic SD 254. Tell me, what is the set, packaging? Painfully low price 150 USD e. (1275 UAH) Does this happen?

At the bottom of the box is a foam square in the size of the bottom.
Further instructions and the stove itself are in a soft white wrapper (such as foam tape).
Inside the oven, in a baking dish, a measuring cup and a measuring spoon lie in foam plastic, for 255 there is also a main spatula. One spatula is already installed in the mold (for 255 for rye bread).
The mold in the oven is fixed with a special cardboard insert with a mold handle lock.
There are two foam corners on top, securing the stove on top and on the sides.
The box is closed with good quality copper clips. (It won't be possible to open it neatly. It is always a mystery to me how they drive them there).
Above the box is tightened in polyethylene, not a vacuum package, two side edges are free

[The seller has extended the manufacturer's warranty period]

Now about the warranty extension certificates.
If I understand their essence correctly, then a certain amount is taken from the buyer, for which the Seller undertakes to repair or replace the product during the additional warranty period.
According to the legislation, this service is nothing more than INSURANCE !!!.
Insurance in our country is a licensed type of activity.
They could not show me a license in any store.
Conclusion - shops are engaged in illegal business activities. Sooner or later, but these certificates will befall the fate of MMM.
And only the manufacturer has the right to appoint a warranty period for equipment !!! But not as a seller.
So, dear forum users, everyone decides for himself where and what to buy. But remember - the miser pays twice.

You get it a little bit wrong! According to the law, the seller does not have the right to reduce the warranty period, but the law does not prohibit an increase, please. How he does it, for a fee or free of charge and whether it is worth paying for it is decided by an agreement between the buyer and the seller (ZoZPP article 5, paragraph 7: "The seller has the right to undertake an obligation in respect of defects in the goods discovered after the expiration of the warranty period established by the manufacturer (additional obligation) The content of the seller's additional obligation, the period of validity of such an obligation and the procedure for the consumer to exercise his rights under such an obligation are determined by the contract between the consumer and the seller. "
🔗
The seller has extended the manufacturer's warranty period
Let's take a situation: In the documentation for the product, the warranty period from the manufacturer is specified as six months, and the seller issues a one-year warranty. In this case, within the first six months, the buyer has the right to make claims to both the seller and the manufacturer. And after six months, but before the expiration of a year from the date of purchase, the buyer has the right to make claims only to the seller, since it was the seller who extended the warranty.

In practice, such situations look like this: in large household appliances stores, when buying some goods, the buyer is invited to purchase an additional certificate that increases the warranty. But, as I already wrote, after the expiration of the warranty period from the manufacturer, claims can only be addressed to the seller.

On the subject of warranty extension.

Anastasia.
Maybe I don't understand.
But according to the certificates I saw, it turns out like this.
The seller takes from the buyer a certain% of the purchase price (insurance premium).
And in the course of the action undertakes to carry out repairs of any complexity and cost and not to charge a surcharge from the buyer.
That is, the Seller insures (otherwise it does not work) the sold goods.
Accordingly, the seller must form reserves from which he will repair, refund or exchange equipment. He cannot return it to the manufacturer (the manufacturer's warranty has ended).
According to the law, this insurance cannot be otherwise.
While UBEP looks at it through his fingers. But in our country, the rules of the game are changing very quickly. Therefore, I wrote that it would be like with MMM.
Then everyone decides for himself whether to participate in the scam or not.

P.S. I think it's not worth continuing this topic, I touched on the topic, then it is up to the buyer to decide, otherwise it will go beyond the scope of this topic. Or you will have to transfer this topic to the section of legal issues.

[Content of the additional obligation]

Content of the additional obligation the seller, the duration of such an obligation and procedure for the consumer to exercise his rights under such an obligation determined by the contract between the consumer and the seller.

This must be clearly understood, agreeing to an additional guarantee from the seller.
There may be a "free" repair, but the consumer pays for parts, etc.

In practice, the situation may look like this: in large stores of household appliances (stores of the Mir chain), the price of an additional certificate that increases the warranty is already included in the price tag. The manager issues an invoice on your computer and you see two lines - the price of the product and the price of the add-on. warranty. In total - the figure of the price tag. The manager rested: do not like the conditions, do not take it.
I had to ask to call the elder. He immediately realized that imposing an additional paid service would not work with me. As a result, the goods cost me 1,500 rubles. cheaper than the price tag. Pleasantly.

Another store today with a relatively low price for Panasonic 255 in Moscow is here 🔗

I bought from them (pickup from Prague). Packaging and delivery as described above.

[Belka13Lika]

Thanks for your feedback!
Belka13
Lika
I will write your advice to my brother in the form of a manual)
And we will buy in Eldorado through an Internet store. Almost 2000 rubles cheaper than our retail. I found out that the guarantee for the goods I bought in Moscow time Eldorado is valid in any other regional Eldorado, but if you need a REPLACEMENT, for any reason, including the warranty, you will have to go back to Moscow time .. That's it.

I bought from them (pickup from Prague). Packaging and delivery as described above.

Congratulations on your purchase! Good baking to you! And where is their store in Prague?

Happy shopping! We will wait for the report. By the way, they called me from the service center and said that I could take my stove. With joy, I did not think to ask what had happened to her. I hope to pick it up on Saturday, if we really don't freeze. So the stove from Xcom-dom is probably not "gray" - otherwise they would have been working on it! And cheaper by 2.5 thousand than in our city.

Congratulations on your purchase! Good baking to you! And where is their store in Prague?

Thank you, I was so happy! I first called the phone number listed in the online store, I was told to contact pavilion 2B-42 on Prazhskaya, where HP will be delivered for me (they warned me that they sell TV cables and so that I would not be scared). I arrived and took the stove. I didn’t order delivery (they have it inexpensive), because I couldn’t wait to wait a day - I was already deciding on the model for so long. In addition, I was still going to go to the electronic fair to choose electronic scales (I didn't buy them on the Internet, as I was testing, as they taught here on the forum). By the way, the very first baked bread was successful!

zalina74, thanks! I will know, otherwise the Prague metro station is also very close to me and I often visit El.Paradise.

Another store for today with a relatively low price for Panasonic 255 in Moscow is here 🔗

Oh, I also bought from them last Friday I was brought

Oh, I also bought from them last Friday I was brought

I must say thank you and therefore put "+" in gratitude, it turns out exactly from your submission to the car. ru I snuck this address here. I looked at your link, looked for a lower price, and everywhere turned out to be higher, I could not find it below. So I risked giving a link.

[Anastasia]

Anastasia,
Thank you for thank you. In fact, I looked not only at the lowest price, I also sorted by reviews of the work. Because initially another store was found and I bought some of the equipment there a month earlier (blender, multicooker), but then properly, after reading reviews about replacement and return in case of breakdown, I was horrified ... I should have read it right away, but I hope that I won't have to contact them ...

Will a beginner Panasonicokhlebopek ask you a couple of questions? And where?

[Anastasia]

Anastasia,
Thank you for thank you. In fact, I looked not only at the lowest price, I also sorted by reviews of the work.

Will a beginner Panasonicokhlebopek ask you a couple of questions? And where?

Moreover, for the work done, we are very grateful to you! Since I also had a link to one store and it seemed to me that the price there was normal, but your store won! And of course you can ask questions, but at least where it is convenient! Ask on the forum, get even more qualified answers than mine, here we have a very friendly and responsible community, if you want, please write in a personal message! I will try not to let you down and answer as best I can!

Hurrah! They bought me 255 in Eldorado Shchelkovo))
But I can try only on January 1 .. Surpryz

Thanks to everyone who helped me make a choice! Your efforts are not in vain!
Also thanks to the administration of this wonderful resource))

[Artyom]

Artyom, congratulations, we are waiting for feedback, I am especially interested - because I have a little bit of everything and our impressions and our first successes and failures are as similar as possible (I already have two of them)

[Artyom]

Artyom, congratulations, we are waiting for feedback, I am especially interested - because I have a little bit of everything and our impressions and our first successes and failures are as similar as possible (I already have two of them)

And what kind of failure then?

Anastasia, I wanted to ask about them. I'll ask in PM, because it's not on the topic here

Anastasia, I wanted to ask about them. I'll ask in PM, because it's not on the topic here

Well, I will try to answer, and if it does not work out on my own, then I will tell you where you can find answers on the forum and in which sections it is better to place questions.

Thanks again to everyone for their help! I would like to brag. But you can't;)
See here: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...27373.0

I, today, also bought a 2500 bread maker on the Internet - this is my first and last technique from Panasonic, because the build quality is at the level of cheap China, the lid in the open and closed state, there is a large backlash, it floats on the body, it is also cut in front on one side, apparently that to provide a gap between the body and the lid when closed, the hole in the kneading paddle is 1.5 times larger than the pin diameter ... as a result, during kneading, it dangles not only forward but also backward, since in pizza mode the engine spins in jerks .. I did not expect this after the laudatory odes about Panasonic. If I chose in the store, I would not buy it. For the future, before buying something on the internet, I will first look at the equipment in the showrooms of supermarkets, since the picture on the screen is deceiving

[Vyacheslav85]

Vyacheslav85

I used to have a budget bakery, now Panasonic. The difference in the quality of the plastic and the assembly is big. Panasonic is much better.
The beginning of the kneading is jerky, not only in the pizza mode, but also in other programs.Have you not noticed that the batch is gradually gaining momentum, and then it becomes dynamic and smooth? And if you know the method of kneading the dough in principle, then this is not at all a defect in the bread maker, but very correctly and thoughtfully. And also in all bread makers there is a backlash in the bucket between the spatula and the pin ...
No offense . Your post just makes you smile.
You touch it in stores, look at the bread makers of other firms, for comparison.

the hole in the kneading paddle is 1.5 times the diameter of the pin ... as a result, during kneading, it dangles not only forward but also backward, as in pizza mode the engine spins in jerks.

Panasonic has patents for this clearance, the shape of the pin and the blade, this is their invention, it has been said many times.
And in general, all its own, and the engine and microprocessor and software HP. Invented and developed Panasonic household HP in 1987 and since then has been producing them.

Hello everybody! I've been reading this wonderful forum for a month now. Today I finally became the owner of Panasonic 2511 and registered in honor of this. I checked the work and the package with the help of tips in this temka. Everything went well with the baking program. But on the pizza, the stop button did not immediately work. The paddle spins, I stand at the post office and think ... I called the store. They did not advise anything worthwhile. While talking with them, I decided to turn it off by pulling the wire. But before that, I pressed the stop again, and the scapula stopped!

Now I think: is it still a marriage, or should it be that the oven does not stop forcibly during the first 4 minutes?

[Vyacheslav85]

the hole in the kneading paddle is 1.5 times the pin diameter ...

although the topic is ancient, but for some reason I wanted to answer this smart guy Vyacheslav85 but it is better to go straight to China to the factories, and compare them there, and then express your anger to the Chinese in the eyes that he collects nonsense from the devil, and you can finally write our Russian word on the fence of Panasonic, let them know Slavka85 the thunderer, if you think of it, sell the whole backlash unit to him!
Probably not in the know that many manufacturers have the shoulder blades in the bread, and even in the complete set there is a special hook for taking it out of the bread, and for some reason Panasonic does not have a hook. Probably the miser did not report! Slavka85 is not aware that the backlash is made for that, so that the spatula does not remain in the bread, during the preparation of the dough, the gap is clogged with flour and during baking, it is baked, which leaves it in place, and it can be removed only during washing the bucket , leaving the bucket to soak for 5-10 minutes. But Slavka85 just to get drunk

[Yulchitai]

Yulchitai,
Julia, don't be upset and take your time. HP is new and not yet developed. The buttons are a little tight and sometimes you need to push harder , or even several times. This is not something with which they run to the service or change HP.