Top-loading washing machine?

[five]

Good day everyone!
I read the topic about a drying machine and it turns out that it is better not to buy Electrolux, but we almost bought it yesterday, well, this site with typewriters is hanging. We buy in Israel, the choice is certainly not the same as in Russia, but I would like to hear the advice of eyewitnesses. The previous Westinghouse machine did not suit with a small fill of water, the linen was not rinsed, it was hard, no rinse aid helps. Eerily knocks and makes noise during spinning. The technician was called, he said that everything is fine, all modern machines wash * without water * in order to save it .. but what kind of water saving is it if I have to constantly rinse the laundry by additionally turning the program knob. Now, it's all gone five years, it is already completely obscene, with the explosive wringing, oil or something black on the linen began to remain. It's already hot to buy a new one, but I would not want to bump into the likeness of the old one. In Elektrolux I considered the button for additional water filling, I liked it, and according to old rumors I considered this brand reliable. Everything has changed? We will not pull the expensive one, I would like a mediocre thread without bells and whistles with spinning 8OO-1OOO, the main thing is to wash well. And I would like to have a top loading, when it was and I really liked it until it rusted. A dryer is not needed, there is a separate one. There is a large selection of Whirlpool washing machines in our market, can you choose from?
These are all the companies that are on the washer market

I would be grateful for any feedback.

A friend had a Hoover, served for 11 years, but constantly needed repairs. At a neighbor's Electrolux, after not serving even 4 years, it shattered to smithereens. I can't say anything more about top-loading machines. I have had a conventional Fagor horizontal loader for 8 years. While working. I only had to clean the pump once. In some mysterious way, needles got there, and got stuck in the motor, preventing it from spinning. Pulled out, and everything worked again.

My parents have a top-loading machine ... it has been working for about 7-8 years ... I don't remember exactly when I bought it ... Wirpool. so far there have been no problems ...

I have Candy. We saw it from friends with a top load and bought it for ourselves (but not from the top). Mine is 5 years old, and has served with friends for 6 years. I love everything about her.

My top-load Electrolux is 4 years old and I am satisfied. So far, there have been no problems. Washes, rinses, squeezes. I like

Girls, thanks.

Elena c @, tell me what model you have, I'll see it with us.

[Gypsy]

Gypsy, my assistant's name is Electrolux Timeline EWT 1340

I have top loading Candy. I am very satisfied in terms of washing, the only thing that does not quite suit me is that the washing time is not visible. Shows only when there is less than an hour left to wash and there is no delay in washing, and sometimes it would be very desirable. The rest of the machine is completely satisfied, it washes well, almost silently, does not jump on the spin, takes up little space.

This top loading is a great thing, I'm very sorry now that I had to put houses with front loading, I had Ariston from the top, I bought it for a rented apartment, worked for me for 4 years, 3 already with a friend, at least henna, and change the frontal at home had to go after 2 years ..

As of today, things are not so good with top-load machines ... There has been a lot of writing about this on the iXbt forum. The craftsmen said that the only top-loading car worth buying is Mile. All the rest are a lottery, and much less winning than for cars with a frontal ...
For some reason, the build quality and, in general, engineering solutions for verticals are much worse than for front-facing ones ...
So, if possible, a front-end is better.

What's the beauty of top loading? It seems to me that the front is more comfortable.

It all depends on the size of the bathroom or the place where the washer will stand.

The Wirpool machine has served us for 8 years with faith and truth, mechanics, spin 800, we were very pleased. The main advantage for me is that you can stop the wash at any time and add what you forgot. I specially chose this one. There were three breakdowns through our fault, minor ones. In the summer, the engine flew, the replacement was 150 euros, so we bought a new one. The master from the service categorically insisted on front loading, they listened, now I will not get used to it.

Front loading requires a space to open the hatch, preferably 180 degrees. The top loading machine can be installed anywhere in the corner, it takes up little space. The control panel is located at the top, making it difficult for small children to access. In addition, you can add or remove laundry during the wash cycle. Another very important advantage of the top loading washing machine is its reliability. The drum of such a machine is mounted on two bearings, so that it is practically not touched by a common breakdown - bearing failure. Among the advantages of models with a vertical loading is also called a low vibration.

I have a Candy with a top loading, it has been serving faithfully for 8 years. I like. When the time comes for the next one, it will also be top loaded.

Well, about reliability, now any lottery machine .. the aforementioned top-loading ariston has been working for a friend for the 8th year without a single breakdown, when she moved to a new apartment, there was nowhere to put the top one, I bought a frontal one again ariston-2 years did not work, with not the most severe operation ... I like the top loading more, although I have a frontal kandy, the pain is less satisfied ..

[Elena c @]

Thanks to all!

The main advantage for me is that you can stop the wash at any time and add what you forgot.

And you also don’t have to wrestle upside down, you stuff the linen, stuff it, and it falls out back in the form of socks-panties. Also, when you take out a clean one, everything is also intertwined, you pull it and begins to fall on the sides, alas, often on the unclean floor. And yet our old vertical washing machine washed cleaner and washed all the powder out of the laundry.

Elena c @ , I did not find such a model.
What do you think about AEG?
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Looked at Miele, there are only two of them with top loading and hefty expensive for me

AEG and Electrolux have now merged, and both brands are assembled in Italy. But in my opinion, you shouldn't overpay for the brand. When I was vacationing in Spain, I noticed how the Spaniards conscientiously do everything. Maybe not as pretty as the Italians. But everything is done conscientiously. Maybe you should pay attention to the Spanish Fagor? In the store I was told that Fagor is part of the Bosch concern.

Thank you. Fagor watched, it is one model with a top loading of 7OO rpm, not enough .. and is more expensive AEG

Regarding bearings - read the topic on iXbt. Many pages, I understand. But more recently there was a discussion of just how to mount a drum ...
Page 69, 74, and in general the topic is interesting. There are not only users, but also the masters from the services who repair them ... They are the ones who write about the unreliability of modern verticals.

Regarding - it has been working for many years ... Today is a completely different story with the service life ... alas ... What was assembled 10-12 years ago is working ... But a year or two ago ...

AEG is a German company. We merged with Electrolux about 5 years ago. Now called AEG-Electrolux. There are three price categories of cars produced - AEG-Electrolux, Electrolux itself and Zanussi (alas, at the lowest level now ...). AEG come across a German assembly. (I have an AEG front camera - a little less than 3 years old - Germany). Suites and Nyuski - Italy. Historically, AEGs are Mille-level machines. But a little cheaper.

About - bend over and a small child. Don't bend over to the scrap, honestly. Moreover, there is a drum light in my car, it is very convenient, when you take out the laundry, we put a basin next to it - the laundry falls out directly into it. If there is still not a lot of water in the car, you can also open the door and throw in the forgotten. Or throw it into the laundry tub - until the next wash The front-end is not scary for children either ... or rather, the front-end is not afraid of children - there are models with a "child" lock.

Powder ... a good machine will wash away any good powder. And she doesn't care whether she is vertical or frontal. Water comes from above anyway ...

Vibration is the lot of cheap cars. Mine has 1800 rpm. She does not jump even when she is spinning at maximum. And you can't hear it ... It's not about the way the linen is loaded, but about the counterweights and springs.

Girls, I'm not against vertical machines. Just by learning how things are now, I want to help you not to make a mistake. Or, at least, when choosing, you know what to pay attention to and what to be prepared for.

). If there is still not a lot of water in the car, you can also open the door and throw in the forgotten.

And do many front-cameras have it? I just did not come across such, in mine, when the work is already running, the window will not open.

[Elena c @]

Elena c @ , I did not find such a model.
What do you think about AEG?

When looking at me my husband's sister began looking for the same one a year later, she was just advised to AEG. She has been with her for three years. A newer model, more powerful spinning and some other bells and whistles. She (sister) also really likes.

For me, the main criterion was size, but all the other pluses were a pleasant surprise for me

It seems to me that it is impossible to say that it is definitely better than vertical or horizontal ones. The choice still depends on the set of requirements for the car.
In addition, after two or three models have been selected (both those and others), you need to go to the store and feel everything. Maybe you don't like the drum, or the buttons, or the programs, or how much water it spends ... no matter how much this model is touted ...

Thank you. Fagor watched, it is one model with a top loading of 7OO rpm, not enough .. and is more expensive AEG

And here Fagor is much cheaper than AEG. By the way, I heard that Whirlpool are also good cars. Collect them, however, in Slovakia. I have a dishwasher from this company - I am very pleased with it. But I must say that dishwashers are collected in Germany.
About AEG, the master told me that for the last two years they have not been assembled in Germany. Only in Italy.

[wales]

wales
By itself. I just want to hear as many bad things as possible in order to exclude more models / firms. In the store, they can also advise .. who will tell the truth, if you need to sell. The other day I studied all the cars superficially, I just read reviews with stars .. and noticed that Bosch cars have consistently good reviews \ this is in Israel \. But the fact is that these good reviews are from front-loading machines, at the same time she told her husband that since such was the case, she could give up the vertical dream and buy a front-loading one, but at least we will be more confident in its quality. While we think and choose.
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small digression. Today I washed the covers from two strollers at a temperature of 4O degrees, with an additional rinsing and spinning 9OO vol. , when I hung it in some places I noticed a powder \ and after all I put a little \. And when it was dry - my mother mia .. she was now washing the second program for a full cycle at 4O gr. without powder .. right now I'll take it out and see how it is. Well, how can you live with her with this piece of iron !?

And do many front-cameras have it? I just did not come across such, in mine, when the work is already running, the window will not open.

Can not say. I know that mine is exactly like that. But you need to find a very knowledgeable specialist to be able to answer such a question. In mine, until the machine has completely filled up the water - that is, approximately in the first 10-15 minutes, and during rinsing, when the water has already been drained, and a new one is not recruited - it is very convenient to throw something to rinse

I have AEG LL 1820. Assembled in Germany. But she is almost 3 years old. What now - I do not know, you need to look at the car, as a rule there is a sticker on it - where is it collected.

You can't throw anything on my machine - from the beginning of the wash it blocks the door until the end. Although the load is top, it even remains constipated for a while after a power outage.What I also like about it, in case of power outages after switching on, it continues the wash cycle.

Any door can be opened if the machine is turned off for a couple of minutes.

Any door can be opened if the machine is turned off for a couple of minutes.

at least you have to wait three minutes.

Almost all front-loading machines first block the door at the beginning of the wash and until the end of the wash, but after the end it waits for at least three minutes.
But vertical bars can support the opening of the drum during the washing process.

But all these nuances need to be read in the instructions from the washing machine.

If the function of throwing the laundry is so important, then the air-bubble is the best option. It can be opened without interrupting the program at all.

I can write about one sin that is found behind my typewriter (and many others - according to the stories of friends). Powder is not completely washed out from the dispenser. If this business is not followed, then as a result the powder accumulates and dries up. And part of the filled powder disappears.
I don't know about the front-end machines, but I can put the powder directly onto the drum. It then dissolves normally in water and works as expected. And with liquid products, of course, there is no such problem.

I have a zanussi zwt 5105 vertical, with a screen and buttons, without any mechanical handles. Washes well. Made in Italy.

Yes, the door is locked. But you can throw it when I want it. I press start / pause, wait 4-5 minutes and everything is unlocked. I open it, throw it in and press the start again.

At the expense of sticking - yes, it sticks a little, but I have never cleaned it yet, because it is not critical (not a lump, but a layer closer to the exit) and does not interfere with normal washing.

And at the expense of verticals - well, at first I didn't like it. Then, all the same, the size of the kitchen made me buy a vertical - now I like it, it turned out to be a reasonable choice, I was looking for a model for a long time in which there would be only one buttons with a screen (without rotary handles - I love everything electronic with buttons). There were many advantages: a small, narrow one, where the front-end has a load - there we have a table and to load it would have to climb under the table. And the front-end does not fit in width.

[Andrei]

Andrei, I think the way of sticking depends on the design of the dispenser. My powder was packed on the contrary, at the bottom ...

[Andrei]

Andrei, I think the way of sticking depends on the design of the dispenser. My powder was packed on the contrary, at the bottom ...

Wow, it's interesting how it can be if it is washed out from the bottom and immediately flows down to the drum. And water is supplied through a lot of holes from above, which in fact causes adhesion from above (a small underflush)

You have a strange design

The same problem as with Wales, powder is poorly washed out, especially in low-temperature conditions. I only thought it like that for me (since the water pressure is not always good, until the pipes were changed by the machine, the poor guy generally had difficulty taking water). Washing machine - Ariston ATD-104, 5.5 years old.

I have a Whirlpool AWE 8727, I am very happy with it. Bought to save space. It has a lot of different functions: selection of the washing temperature, automatic cooling of water after washing, washing delicate fabrics, economical wash, express wash (30 min), pre-wash, wool program, hand wash. I can choose the spin speed from 0 to 1200 (5 pr.), Additional wash, extra. rinsing, delaying washing, canceling the program. During washing, the machine cannot be opened until it has finished washing and the sensor lights up. The washing quality is excellent (although a lot depends on the powder as well).
Description washing machine Whirlpool AWE 8727

Loading 5 kg
Spin speed 0 - 1200 rpm
14 washing programs
Electronic control
Washing class A
Spin class B
Energy class A +
6th sense technology
Fuzzy Logic
Imbalance control
Balancing system
Delay start timer
Indication of program steps
Aqua stop
Fiber tank material
Weight 63 kg
White colour
Dimensions: 90x40x60 cm

Wow, it's interesting how it can be if it is washed out from the bottom and immediately flows onto the drum. And water is supplied through a lot of holes from above, which actually causes adhesion from above (small underwash)

You have a strange design

I specially removed the panel with dispensers .... Water is supplied from above through holes, but there are not many of them ... Apparently, the upper layers of powder are washed out, and everything else just gets wet and the water pressure (or quantity) from the holes is not enough to wash it powder from the pocket ....

this happens due to the weak water pressure,

but it seems to me that we need three times more holes ...

The powder is different. I really didn't like TopHose. He didn't want to wash off / dissolve in cold water at all. I even just poured it into a glass and poured cold water from an ordinary tap on top - it became a crust, you bastard. You can wash it off only with hot water ... I bought it once - I will not do it again. So it's not just the number of holes that is a problem. By the way, there is a problem in the water pressure. You can check the inlet filter in the car. There is usually a net there - sometimes it gets clogged with rust from our pipes ... And the water pressure becomes weak ...

Sets of holes of different diameters are sold in construction markets. They are ideal for washing machine drums and can be easily installed by yourself.

This is the case !!!!!!

And I looked at myself - there are a lot of holes for water. And the bottom never stuck

Water for washing out the powder is supplied after the machine has taken water from the water supply system. This means that its own pump turns on and delivers water upward, washing out the powder. Maybe there are two problems - a weak pump and few holes.

It is even heard when water is drawn from the system, then the tap is closed with a click, and then the pump is turned on to flush out the powder. But this is in Zanussi. This is for sure - in the frontal boxes (at the parents I looked out the window - they have water from above inside the drum) and in the vertical boxes (I listened to my sound).

Water for washing out the powder is supplied after the machine has taken water from the water supply system. This means that its own pump turns on and delivers water upward, washing out the powder.

This is not so - it is washed off with water only from the mains. I myself saw a narrow frontal on Zanussi when I removed the top cover. You can check very easily - pour (manually) water into the tank, turn off the main water supply and turn on the wash: water will not be supplied to the detergent tray.

This is not so - it is washed off with water only from the mains. I myself saw a narrow frontal on Zanussi when I removed the top cover. You can check very easily - pour (manually) water into the tank, turn off the main water supply and turn on the wash: water will not be supplied to the detergent tray.

I disagree. If you pour water manually, the washing machine will not work. She has a pressure sensor. If there is no water in the line, then an error is issued, checked. And at the expense of washing out the powder - I also disagree. After closing the water valve (strong click), the machine turns on the pump. Then she rinses the tray for 1-2 minutes and after that already starts the washing process (turns on the drum motor). And with my parents and me.

I disagree. Then she rinses the tray for 1-2 minutes and after that already starts the washing process (turns on the drum motor). And with my parents and me.

I just tried such an experiment: I turned on the machine for a streak and pulled out the tray, as soon as I heard and saw that the water went through the tray (washing off the powder), I stole the main tap, the water supply to the tray immediately STOPPED, opened the tap - water is again fed into the tray ... The experiment is absolute - you can repeat it. If everything is exactly the same with you, then together we will think about where is this secret water reservoir for washing off the powder and why should the company install an incomprehensible additional second pump only for flushing the agent, if they have already conditioned the pressure in the main line sufficient for flushing in the passport?

[Petrof]

Petrof agree with you
but do not forget that there are many CMA models, some models have a separate pump for sprinkling the laundry from above, I think such models could have used the same powder flush pump.

some models have a separate pump for sprinkling linen from above

I have seen designs (in all budget machines, to which Zanusi belongs), where irrigation is carried out not by an additional pump (which, at least, will add $ 100 to the cost of the machine), but by ribs on the drum (and in the drum) which, when rotating upward, entrain soapy water with you and in the upper position of the drum, water flows onto the laundry.

Respecting your opinion, I propose to concretize our discussion:
1. At the moment of supplying your machine with water to the powder tray, you block the line - if the water continues to flow, you say the number of the machine and we download the service manual or ask a question on the website, for example, "Iceberg" about the supply of water in your model (or we will find out by phone from the same master from the same "Iceberg", for example)
2. We write off by PM and find a new owner for 50 US dollars.
Yours faithfully

[Petrof]

Petrof You are right, it's time to stop flooding, we have left the main issue.
on my own I will add that those SMA that were bought more than 5 years ago can no longer be found, and the new SMA is a completely different level. But you can't guess better or worse.

Well, I'll try in mine. Past conclusions were made purely on listening to noises throughout the washing machine.

And now it's just curious how it actually works.