Kneading machines

[olgalingo]

olgalingo , welcome to the forum! Where are you from? If from Russia - Gastrorag.

Thanks to Omela for a quick tip! Now I wrote where I am. And also tell pzhl about this gastroag. His passport says that he can work continuously for no more than 5 minutes. How long does it take to knead the dough for pies? My father kneads his hands for 40 minutes. And if it (the mixer) is not turned off after 5 minutes, it turns off by itself or just dies right away ???

[olgalingo]

olgalingo , hands of course at times longer. I personally have not used such a machine. See here:https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8100.0 and below are photos and videos of mixes. I think that everything should be thought out in time. And refer back to Tanyusha, she has one, she will prompt.

[Xun]

Xun, tell me, is it hefty in circulation?

Girls and boys, and whoever has Kitchen Aid ?! Who will Mona torture with questions about him?

Hello! I also want to understand the KitchenAid topic, so I opened the discussion thread Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=194635.0

There were no Gastrorags in METRO today.

In the gastro-shop - 5419 rubles, - 5300 rubles. I myself am thinking about a dr. buy, I'm already tired of tormenting rye dough with my hands.

I bought a gastrorag in the metro in St. Petersburg for 6300. So far we haven’t been kneading anything to my father for a donor.

Tanyusha, share how the lucky owner of this atrocious car is a gastroragon, how long does it take to knead dough for pies in an average? turn off after 5 minutes of work? There is no such information in the instructions for him, but the father will ask how to get it. Are there any nuances in handling it?

olgalingo, I didn't knead the dough for pies in it, but it was bought specifically to make dough for Italian bread, there the dough is liquid and therefore you have to knead for a long time, it takes 10-15 minutes without a break. All is well, only it is very loud.

[only it is very loud]

All right, only it is very loud.

This is what scares ...

Tanyusha, and did you try to knead dumplings dough in your Gastrorag? It would be interesting to hear your opinion ...

I didn’t make dumplings in a dough mixer 🔗

[Tanyush]

Tanyush, we figured out the dumplings, thank you, but have you tried rye either?

I did rye, knead well.

[Tanyusha]

Thank you Tanyusha ...

Girls, but can anyone tell you about such a machine from personal experience?

Professional mixer BORK E800

The professional mixer BORK E800 allows you to achieve a record mixing performance for a wide variety of dishes. The innovative mixing system quickly and efficiently mixes ingredients of different consistencies by simultaneously rotating both the nozzle itself and its base around its axis. The mixer comes with a special "Confectioner" attachment, ideal for preparing light mixtures. It reduces mixing time by up to 60% and also prevents the mix from sticking to the container.

Specifications
- Power: 1000 W
- Number of speeds: 12
- Color: stainless steel

Equipment
- Mixer
- Unique confectioner attachment
- Dough hook: 1 piece
- Whisk for whipping: 1 piece
- Bowl capacity: 4.7 l
- Stirring paddle
- Protective rim

Features:
- Planetary mixing system - during the operation of the mixer, the nozzle moves along the inner volume of the bowl and simultaneously rotates around its axis, providing perfect mixing quality and an even consistency without lumps
- 12 operating modes
- Infinitely variable speed control - the control system optimizes engine power for different types of loading and allows you to select the ideal speed depending on the type and amount of ingredients
- Sensor electronics for engine control - built-in sensors automatically determine the viscosity of the mixture and adjust the engine power settings for a constant mixing rate of ingredients
- Exclusive set of attachments
- Automatic security system
- Low noise level
- The capacious bowl has a removable plastic rim to protect it from splashing and a special chute for adding ingredients while mixing.
- Electric cable length: 1 m
- Dimensions (HxGxW): 44x44x28 cm
- Weight: 7.9 kg

Regardless of whether you need to whip the egg whites or knead the dough for baking, the new BORK E800 mixer with a set of unique attachments will professionally cope with even the most sophisticated culinary idea.

Using one of the twelve operating modes, the user can optimize the work of the BORK E800 mixer for a specific type and amount of ingredients.

The built-in timer has the possibility of direct and countdown with automatic shutdown of the device at the end of the specified cycle of work. The timer allows you to automate the mixer while cooking your favorite dishes.

The cast body, bowl and internal units of the BORK E800 mixer are made of stainless steel, which guarantees flawless reliability and long service life. High quality workmanship, materials and electronic components allow for record-low noise and vibration levels during mixer operation. A safety system automatically shuts off the engine to prevent overheating under excessive loads, and the device's legendary reliability is backed by a 3-year warranty.

I have a bad attitude towards Bork in any form. I don't like their technique.

[Professional mixer BORK E800]

Professional mixer BORK E800

Kroshik, saw him firsthand. Outwardly very beautiful. (y) Look, the girls discussed it a few pages ago. Ours have someone.

[Tus]

I have a bad attitude towards Bork in any form. I don't like their technique.

Tus, and what exactly do you dislike?

I have a blender (stationary) Bork and a carob coffee maker, no complaints ... but I don’t use them anyway ...

Packed in boxes as unnecessary ...

Ksyu, pasiba, I went to find out and some of our Boron b to th m ...

Humidifier bork - complaints, juicer bork - bullshit. This is from my instruments. So I stopped looking in their direction.

Humidifier bork - complaints, juicer bork - bullshit. This is from my instruments. So I stopped looking in their direction.

and my fan heater Bork-quickly very out of order

[Ankarsrum ® Original]

Well, yes, reviews about Bork are not of course ...

I cross out ...

I decided (sort of) to Ankarsrum ® Original as standard:

1. Ankarsrum ® Original with 7 liter stainless steel bowl;
2. steel hook for kneading;
3. Kneading roller, scraper knife, plastic scraper;
4. 3.5 liter plastic whisk bowl with double whisk;
5.wheels for shortcrust pastry

[Ankarsrum ® Original]

Well, yes, reviews about Bork are not of course ...

I cross out ...

I decided (sort of) to Ankarsrum ® Original as standard:

1. Ankarsrum ® Original with 7 liter stainless steel bowl;
2. steel hook for kneading;
3. Kneading roller, scraper knife, plastic scraper;
4. 3.5 liter plastic whisk bowl with double whisk;
5.wheels for shortcrust pastry

In my opinion, this is an excellent choice (I have a gastrointestinal agent, he is not very good for me ...)

Anyone who has a Markato Pasta Fresca kneader (unfortunately I cannot insert links and photos), it is written that he kneads a steep dough for dumplings, ravioli, noodles. True, the photos are disgusting, I don't understand the principle of work, where does the bookmark go?
If anyone has, please unsubscribe.

And I look all the same in the direction of the gastroragest, the price is very attractive.But will he be able to work for me for 15-20 minutes without a break? I just decorate the cakes, and for the mastic I make marshmallows myself, and then a 15-minute whipping is necessary. Girls-owners of gastroragas - do you think he will not burn out with me. I read about yeast dough on the last page that it will take 15 minutes to knead (and this is great, I also adore yeast dough), but there are low revolutions, but here with a whisk on the strongest.

[Kroshik]

Kroshik, and sho ??? and where?

I didn't even think that you wrote about him above. With a 7 liter bowl and so neat. I'm sure he will be beyond praise. And the price only confirms the quality!

Allow me, too, to join the congratulations - congratulations on your purchase! ... Well, I will partly join the ranks of the owners of this magical device, which was simply checked and skated by such gurus as Luda aka mariana_aga and Sergey Kirrilov aka with their overwhelming work. For which they are honored and praised.

Here here my torment of choice is described a little. I decided to move here, so as not to clutter up with "non-thematic".

.. That is why I am now in search. Rather, my search is over. I'm torn between two models. Or rather, even between the decision whether I need to save money and buy another kitchen machine (with a rotating bowl, and therefore - is already much closer to the functions of the mixer) -

Assistent Original:


.. or, give up and buy a semi-professional profile kneader (with a chain drive, a powerful motor, a rotating bowl and a spiral hook, but at the same time, designed more for home use, since the dough weight range is 400-5000g.) -

Häussler Alpha:

Yesterday I took my new Assistent Original (or rather Ankarsrum Original, now it's called that; "anksarsrum" is a word that is so hard for our person ..). Brought late, looked into the box and sleep. I'm waiting for the evening to experience it. I hope I was not mistaken with the choice. True, and then there was no choice. Or wait more than six months until the opportunity arises to bring the Häussler Alpha or take the Assistent Original now.

On the purchase .. Good people from the city of Lvov helped me in buying, for which they are very grateful. Brought from Germany in two weeks. The cost turned out to be "German", they also made a discount. So I am satisfied with everything, they did not let me down either in terms of time or the product itself, with the price so generally fantastic (but they said that they were ordering from the factory, maybe that's why). Plus, there is also a 5-year guarantee from them, which I am very happy about.
I think I will help many Ukrainians who want to purchase this unit (especially since I have already checked the suppliers), in Google we score Assistent Original and select "only Ukrainian sites", the first link, the keyword "eco-boutique". Advertising, but I think it's good ..

Well, now, excuse the "drooling" ..
I took the color "white mineral", the complete set is expanded (only because the cost of "extended" from "not extended" differs minimally, but it seems like everything is already there with the main ken 086):
1. Assistant ® Original with 7 liter stainless steel bowl;
2. steel hook for kneading;
3. Kneading roller, scraper knife, plastic scraper;
4. 3.5 liter plastic whisk bowl with double whisk;
5. meat grinder, disc with holes 4.5 mm, pusher;
6. grater;
7. juicer for fruits and berries;
8. device for filling sausages;
9. dough molding machine for cookies;
10. plates for cutting pasta;
11. citrus juicer;
12. mixer made of shatterproof plastic with a capacity of 1.7 liters.

A .., additionally ordered a nozzle for flakes (muesli). Its cost is not small, but I really wanted it.

In general, I'm really looking forward to the evening to try ..

Girls, help me choose: either Bosch or Gastorag? completely confused ...

Kenwood)))))

Kenwood)))))

which one?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaa! Now I want one too ?!

[Sysopaty]

Sysopaty , Congratulations! We are waiting for your bread.

Thank you so much!

Looked at the topic of "gatherings", just take off my hat!

Thank you all for your congratulations!

Tried it yesterday. Subjectively, devices like Assistent Original and like Kenwood Cooking Chef or KitchenAid and the like cannot be technologically put together. I don't put one above the other. And I am not campaigning for any of them.
In order not to "spread the thought along the tree", I kneaded 2.5 kg of 70% sponge dough from all-flour in Assistent, so that, subjectively, in Kenwood-like ones, I could not knead. The result immediately showed itself - the kilogram bread in the bread maker turned out to be completely different, for the better - the most delicate elastic crumb and a unique thin, crispy, very light bite crust. The crust struck me the most! I have never succeeded in such a bread maker. This is with a minimum amount of compressed yeast and half batch. The rest of the dough of 1.5 kg was finally mixed into hearth bread and was used up for two wonderful, well-opened hearth bread loaves. Qualitative characteristics, again according to my subjective observations, are much higher than my average manual batch, and "Kenwood" batch, given the same recipe, temperature, time and technological processes. In general, in two words - I'm satisfied.

Well, to go for a walk like that, on the occasion of the arrival of reliable friends from the states, and in order to end this unrestrained gadget-purchasing epic, I ordered a huge list of various useful kitchen little things, which you can basically do without, but which will greatly facilitate my kitchen work.
I will dwell on several of the most interesting points:
something that I dreamed of for a very long time, and due to the lack of which I often had very big problems in working with dough of high humidity or 35cm pizza, etc., in general, the most long-awaited device is

in action, Mike very gently puts the bread in the oven (by the way, Mike doesn't know exactly about me, but he is my one of the first and most important teachers in baking, thank you very much and many many years of life!):
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here's another:
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and further:
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With this device you can work with anything you like - bread, pizza, biscuits and other baked goods, rolled dough, you can (if you don’t feel sorry for the fabric and if there is a need) not stop on flour, but swing at meat - for example, cutlets, steaks , you can carry vegetables, etc., in large quantities when working with a large grill. The scope of application is very large. You can even go beyond the kitchen.
What else is interesting? Here .. waited a long time ... Especially the smallest ones, since measuring even 0.25g (I am already silent about the smaller ones ..) often turned into a very big test for me, but now it will be quite simple - I will take 1/16 tsp spoon and "vihual", I save 5 -10 minutes of my life. Well, with those that are larger, the scales will not get so often - again, time.
What else will be interesting .. Here, for a long time I dreamed of a quick and accurate ... The scope of application, I think, will be clear - an infrared temperature sensor and a temperature probe. In principle, I have a temperature probe in the oven, but now, due to laziness and with some kind of experience, in most cases I no longer connect it, and such a device that reads the temperature in a second will be useful - I stuck it in, looked and threw it on the shelf, but the main application this is of course an infrared sensor!
The rest is a trifle, and not so desirable - a few Silpat rugs, several forms for ravioli (just 10 cm under the dough roll), a few professional kitchen tongs and similar trinkets. In general, in most cases, everything that is very difficult to buy from us here.
Do not accuse you of squandering. I believe that everyone should deserve even a small trifle. The past year has been very difficult for me both mentally and physically, although joyful in most cases. So this is a reward to myself, at the end of the path, or rather at the end of a small but important segment of my life path ..

which one

Personally, I am very pleased with Kenwood KM 020 Major)))

And the colleague in the topic above has a different opinion)))
In any case, it's up to you to decide !!!

[Sysopaty]

Did you order the dough roll for Ankarsrum ??

I took a dough roller for Kenwood Cooking Chef KM 086. I am very pleased, especially with the presence of the upper roller, which makes the process extremely simple.

Sysopaty , the scapula is cool !!! And we are all on the line, from the cutting board.

That I’m just the same. But it can be a shame when the bread is jammed at the very last moment, very, very .. because there is a lot of work .. And with a large pizza, yes on liquid dough, there is simply no chance. And I want it on a clean hearth, without trays ..

And the colleague in the topic above has a different opinion)))

Alena, not quite like that. I already wrote somewhere that these two cars (at least for me) complement each other. "Kenwood" copes well with the test of the recommended volume and consistency. The "assistant" has a broader "scope of what is permitted." And the most important thing:

.. as unitary a kitchen machine in terms of the number of functions and capabilities it ("Kenwood") has no alternative (or at least I don't know) ..

Here.

Innul, congratulations on a wonderful purchase, handsome !!!

[GASTRORAG QF-3470]

Dear forum users, I came across your gazebo while wandering in search of a kneader.
The kneader is needed for the family. Bake a maximum of several loaves for 2-3 days.

Found Chinese GASTRORAG QF-3470 for 5300r
Everything else comes across from 20-25t. R. and higher. Of these miraculous devices, the most delicious, as it seemed to me, is Swedish Assistant ® Original for 26t. R.

I’m even ready to spend this money, but I don’t understand in any way how relevant it is in my case.
People who bought a Swede for themselves - tell me, for what volumes did you take it?) And tell me, like smart seasoned bakers - do I need it or not?

In advance and very grateful

h. s. We want to bake in the oven, the bread will be non-yeast, but leavened. That is, for now, we are struggling with a mixer - kneaded it on a bun, poured a regular loaf into a mold - set it to fit and so on 4 times ...

[Assistant ® Original]

Swedish Assistant ® Original for 26t. R.

Uuu, compared to that I gave sho for him, consider it a gift ...

People who bought a Swede for themselves - tell me, for what volumes did you take it?)

I took it for a large amount of dough, not less than 1 kg. flour, luhhe more !!!

P.S. And he vashchet superrr !!!

thanks for the answer )
And how much are you, in principle, knead them?) Tilka for sebe or provide the adjacent territories with rolls and bread?)

h. s. and 26tyr is if you take the basic kit on ebee. If you order through the Ukrainian website Ecoboutique, which is lit up here, it will turn out to be about 26700. The difference with such amounts is not fundamental)

And here in Moscow, yes - a basic set of 35, in my opinion, is

People who bought a Swede for themselves - tell me, for what volumes did you take it?)

The maximum I had so far was 3.8 kg. Cope "with a bang." I know that people even kneaded 5.5 kg, but this seems to be the maximum that he is capable of.
Here, found:

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And tell me, as smart seasoned bakers - do I need it or not?

.. most likely not necessary if you ask this question.

By the way, there are nuances in this unit. The first one - no matter how funny it sounds, but you need to learn how to use them. At the same time, one must learn from one's own mistakes, it seems to me that there is no other way. And for this you need a desire. In clumsy hands, without enthusiasm, he will most likely disappoint. But if there is enthusiasm, it will bring more and more joy with each use, especially after the final baking of the bread. Every time I see that I get something new, something that I have not seen before. Well, the second nuance (quite noticeable), it (the unit) is quite loud, much louder than Kenwood. We must take this into account!

for example, what are the nuances? is it not enough to put the ingredients in a cup and end up with a gorgeous dough?))

[First]

for example, what are the nuances?

No "for example", I immediately wrote two important nuances:

First - no matter how funny it sounds, but they need to learn how to use it.At the same time, one must learn from one's own mistakes, it seems to me that there is no other way. And for this you need a desire. In clumsy hands, without enthusiasm, he will most likely disappoint. But if there is enthusiasm, it will bring more and more joy with each use, especially after the final baking of the bread. Every time I see that I get something new, something that I have not seen before. Well, second nuance (quite tangible), it (the unit) is quite loud, much louder than the Kenwood. We must take this into account!

is it not enough to put the ingredients in a cup and end up with a gorgeous dough?))

.. dough? - yes, gorgeous? - well, I'm not sure if it's straight away like this. But in this life anything can happen.
Well, in this case, an important factor is our level of satisfaction with the result, each has its own "chic" bar, which must be overcome in order to get into "our" nomination. As they said, excuse me, ".. to whom and the mare's bride. . "(c) Old man janitor. 12 chairs.

for example, what are the nuances? is it not enough to put the ingredients in a cup and end up with a gorgeous dough?))

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No, not enough. The minimum amount of flour is 500g. About loudness is a subjective matter. People who have the ability to compare. they say that it is quieter than Bosch. Good luck.

The nuances were meant - what will need to be learned there.
Vidyashka looked - thanks. There is just about the sourdough dough - what you need)

And we will not knead less than 3-4 kg), since 4 loaves are placed in the oven.
It's just that we will use it a couple of times a week, and I've been thinking how relevant it is in this vein, maybe we can get by with a cheaper device.

But, on the other hand, maybe we'll disperse and start kneading all sorts of buns ... Probably we'll take this one after all)

I want my own bread and so without yeast, and so that it is not all day to knead these rolls with a mixer.

I'll write a couple more suggestions about Ankarsrum Original.
In this thread, there are a lot of flattering reviews and satisfied emoticons about this kneader, sighs in general from owning a sim unit have already been from me. Well, so as not to be repeated, I think that more cold-blooded specifics will be more appropriate and useful to many.
I just want to thank the Germans, Swedes or whoever else is there. Everything is thought out very sensibly. In general, essentially, based on the results of use, how long is there, a week?
Of course I tried bread dough. At first, it was very unusual. The first dough went very hard for me. I put a roller and a hook and a shovel in different ways. It was, as I said, unusual and unusual. Then he calmed down, put the hook, without a shovel and everything worked out. After the fourth batch I feel more confident - I do everything liquid and semi-liquid with a roller, the rest with a hook, but at the same time I checked - the hook with the initial batch does quite well on its own. So, in most cases, you can only do with a hook, as I liked it more. But at the same time, the well-known Luda, according to my observations, in most cases, still uses the video. She has more experience, maybe I'll see what in the video over time. In any case, the video does not lie idle for me - it works great on liquid dough, primary talkers and high hydration dough.
Scraper blade. Well, there is almost nothing to say, so everything is clear .. although there is! - a very correct technological solution, it plays the role of not only a scraper itself, but also a kind of stopper for transferring the dough, that is, the dough rests against it and, it has nowhere to go, it starts rolling, changing its trajectory, braiding and shifting, which is what we need. Apart from this, I, for example, have adapted to them to do the intermixing kneading, when the dough is defrosted in the mixer bowl. I inserted the scraper - turned it on at low speed, walked the circle along the outer edge and then folded the dough a couple of times with several quick movements. It turns out very much, like the classics have? oh .. - "gorgeous" (humor joke! do not be offended).Gas does not come out of the dough much, the dough does not "break", but at the same time, a sufficient number of folds is obtained, as a result of the necessary saturation with air, "stretching" and removal of large gas caverns, which is what we "need". It is also very convenient (according to my observations) with the same scraper to knead the nuts into the finished dough. Fast enough and evenly.
Further .. thank you very much and bow for a seemingly banal accessory, guess what it is? Wrong! I mean that same unsightly trough-lid. I found just this photo (on the left photo, bottom right):



An insanely simple detail, but very convenient. If we bought it and received it in a set, then we need to adapt it to something. So, for what I adapted it .. It is very convenient to sift flour into it, it, in turn, stands immediately on the scales to measure the weight of bulk products, the lower (if used as a trough) side does not allow it to fall from the round platform of the scales, if it even gently push accidentally with your elbow (checked). In it, pressed yeast with flour is pounded, and then the result is picked up and poured into a chatterbox in the main bowl, until all the flour is poured. It also very tightly covers the main bowl when fermenting dough, proofing or fermentation, as it is more convenient for anyone. At the same time, if we poured flour from it, then we will wash it after the final removal of the dough from the bowl, that is, there are no intermediary basins that we use when preparing primary products, washing several times, etc., I do not like this business (my wife, even when that very, very long time ago, promised that if I cook, then she is ready to wash the dishes for me at least all her life .. all these promises ended in marriage, in the good sense of the word .. what is it me? aa ..). And again, returning to our lid-trough, the very side that prevented our trough from falling off the scales, when using this accessory as a lid, miraculously makes it possible to fold it onto the lid (without the risk of getting dirty as a representative of the non-ruminant artiodactyla family Artiodactyla, other in words - Suidae) for example, a dirty silicone spatula, a dirty plastic scraper separator, a dirty roller or the same dirty scraper from a kneader; unfortunately, a dirty hook won't fit in there - it's too big.
So far, these are all my minor initial observations about the patient as a kneader. For more accurate recommendations on the use of the patient, much more experience is required than I have today, so for now, that's all.
If my manner of "scribbling" is not very unnerving, perhaps later, when I get a positive experience of using this miracle of bourgeois technical thought, and if some bright ideas visit my wild head, they may appear here too. After all, for this we are here to share by their best practices.

I want my own bread and so without yeast, and so that it is not all day to knead these rolls with a mixer.

The aspiration is commendable and correct. At one time, it also arose with me, as with you now. But, in my humble opinion, it, this very desire, is doomed to failure, with a mathematical probability equal to one. Of course, provided that you are ready to bake a little more than a variety of bread and other flour and not only products. And this is simply irrefutable, again in my humble opinion, because if a person baked at least one loaf of bread that he liked with its taste, that's it! all! - he disappeared, there is no end and there will be no end, as the classic used to say - ".. Then she took off her last clothes and also threw herself into the stormy sea. And this abyss swallowed her in one moment. In general, everyone died .." ( c) Formula of love. Grigory Gorin. Otherwise, otherwise, you will cut off a huge layer of the most diverse prescription types of this very bread, and not only bread. And you want, as the classic used to say .. mmm ..I think for today my limit of hard-hitting quotations of other people's thought forms has been exhausted ..

Well, I don't like yeast - I don't want to eat it)))
And we have been baking bread with sourdough for a very long time. It's very tasty. So far, due to the problematic preparation of the dough, only white and black loaves were baked. But now, maybe, something else will come out with the help of this thing. But this already depends on the availability of time, and not on the lack of yeast-free recipes, I think)

The nuances were meant - what will need to be learned there.

Learning to feel the dough, to understand when it is ready, that is, gluten is well developed, because the principle of kneading is different from kneading, for example, in KhP.

here's a gostik for you

.. Studied. I was indignant. He raised his clenched hands to the sky. Was defeated by an all-consuming progress.
But, a scanty grain of Idea lies somewhere, preserved for some indefinite time. Consciousness, like a young boy, is in a state of insatiable search for new sensations and hitherto unknown states.
Perhaps someday, the grain will fall into a favorable environment and germinate, will grow through the thick of desires and great mountains of temptations. It will sprout, sprout, yield a crop and will be able to withstand the evil weeds growing from GOST 171-81 of the brotherly country - Russia.

Understood nothing
but, in general, this is an extraneous topic, it has nothing to do with kneaders, so let's replace it

Understood nothing

I say that I have already passed your way. I have already been where you are now.
Just a quote from the ring of King Solomon.
Leaven is a tool, not a medicine, like a panacea. And most importantly, very few people know how to keep this very tool clean and use it correctly. But many people like to talk about him.

Philosophy.
The leaven is stored successfully and the bread is excellent. I don't understand what prevented you from using it. And what such secret wisdom is necessary for people to be friends with her.
And a small request (if it is, of course, possible) - to express more simply, without unnecessary pirouettes of thought. You know how one respected person used to say: "Where it is simple - there are about a hundred Angels, and where it is tricky - there are none." Maybe you even know who this person is.