Kneading machines

[Vitaly]

Vitaly, and chain hypermarkets Okay not within reach? There are now kmix for 17,500 (without a kettle and toaster) for stickers. To get stickers, you need to buy goods for 4500 rubles. I have a lot of free stickers, in principle, I could send them, but I do not know how much they will take by mail from St. Petersburg.
It's just that the kettle and toaster are not exclusive to Kenwood, why are they needed for triple the price compared to others?)

The budget is up to 35 tons, the most important thing is thick dough, and the attachments can be bought on the sly.

well, not a small budget, I would have looked at the Germans

Yes, the owners of the Kenwoods will forgive me, before the technique was more reliable, but now a bunch of models have divorced and break down, a friend bought Kenwood and did not work for a month, marriage, changed - again the same story, did not take it for the third time - I passed it in battle Therefore, looking for something more or less reliable, I did not come up with anything new, I went to the Germans and bought Kitchen again, they now have discounts and some models / colors can be bought with free shipping. I'm sitting waiting. I bought the first classic from them, I knead everything there, and I love it very much, I can’t do without it. I bought a dough mixer in a fit of excitement 🔗, fortunately at a price 2 times lower, you can use it once a year when kneading dough for Easter cakes and everything, very inconvenient for everyday use in terms of a small amount of products, and washing too, is pushed into a very far corner. And since the village for which he undertook moved from 1600 km to 60 km, that is, the parents were transported, now I need to use it much more often and of course for me, the inconvenience was enough for exactly a month. Yes, now there are a lot of planetary mixers from different companies, their eyes run straight away from the models, colors and capacities, BUT, if the English company had not come across a meat grinder here, I apologize for the flood, even if I took it for points, but I accumulated them, so here it was enough for exactly 1 kg of meat, I did not even expect this from modern, not cheap equipment, having Kenwood working as a tractor, I came to the conclusion that he is the best, and a miser pays twice Therefore, it is better to take a reliable mixer so as not to be disappointed and not regret money thrown to the wind

may the owners of the Kenwoods forgive me,

Kill .. Svetochka ,,, forgiven
We seem to be biting ...
I tried to adapt to Kitchen for 1.5 years, I did not succeed in my friendship with him, although then I really liked him!
Shaking on the test, at least do something ... I do not write negative here on well-known brands, as you may have noticed ,,
For small use it is good, but it cannot be compared with Kenwood ... I agree that cheap Kenwood is not worth taking, but expensive brands are already responsible for the quality for 100% !! My Kesha, who is 10 years old and plows as an ox, confirmation of this. Regarding all the new planetarians ,,, do not count on serious work, it will not work!
Read, it is very interesting that Kitchen is ,,,
🔗

what Kitchen is

article, let's say, with a subjective view and with zero information on the case.

Kitchen is Whirlpool and Kenwood is Delongy ... so what?

And I will write without a spoiler that ALL equipment can break down, of any brand and price tag, including the top Kenwoods. And when you dumped 70 pieces for a mixer and his brains went out from the fact that the voltage in the network was naughty, and it very often plays naughty in the Russian Federation - this is a terrible horror.

cheap Kenwood is not worth taking, but expensive brands are already responsible for the quality for 100% !!

Ol, well, we have an ordinary Kenwood, with three nozzles costs 249 euros. Well, never cheap. You know what I bought on Amazon for 90 euros, Black Friday.Yesterday I specifically looked at the Kenwoods in the media market, everything that is expensive, there are a lot of different attachments, power, everything that adds price to the car. ... Well, it is clear that for 1000 euros with heating, etc., etc.
I mean that 249 euros, this is an expensive car with ordinary attachments, no twists and turns, and I would never buy Kenwood for such a price. Better to buy a couple of Klarstein for 90 euros and kill them on a marshmallow ..

Prospero is the Kenwoods' budget line. Miranda wrote about this. You shouldn't expect miracles of reliability from it and yes, it is comparable to planetary mixers of other brands in the lower price category.

Prospero is the Kenwoods' budget line. Miranda wrote about this. You shouldn't expect miracles of reliability from it and yes, it is comparable to planetary mixers of other brands in the lower price category.

Light, yes, it's all clear. Her price is just not budget. It will work for a couple of years and it’s good, now it’s not plowing anything longer. So it is in the design. Everything that was bought for 10 years before, then everything works, and everything that later is already in the trash. Business and nothing personal. This is a trend of the last 5 years, I guess.

Everything that was bought for 10 years before, then everything works, and everything that later is already in the trash. Business and nothing personal. This is a trend of the last 5 years, I guess.

Yes, that's why it is better to repair everything that was bought 10 years ago, if possible. Because the assembly is European and the quality is different. I came across this recently, I like to communicate with the repairmen of household appliances. Interesting guys

therefore, it is better to repair everything that was bought 10 years ago, if possible.

There is an opportunity, there are no spare parts. This is the problem.

Kitchen is Whirlpool and Kenwood is Delongy ... so what?

So I, on the contrary, in the good direction, well ... it's well written there !!

Klarstein

I have not seen such here ...

there are a lot of different nozzles

I don't have a bunch of nozzles for 1000 €, and Ira from Denmark, too

no spare parts.

Sea .... no problems at all, from the word no !! And very budgetary ..

Interesting guys

I made friends, and, quite tightly, with the repairman of coffee machines (he works in a large service), TVs ... it is very interesting to "torture.", I confirm ...
Yes, I am not campaigning for any ... I just feel sorry for the people who throw out 10,000 from their retirement just for nothing ...

I have not seen such here ...

And you don't have any. This is the European market.

Sea .... no problems at all, from the word no !! And very budgetary ..

Olya, there are devices for which you cannot find spare parts from the word at all. Only a bright head and golden hands. Even golden hands are not able to repair what is not included in the design.

Svetlana, thank you very much for the sticker suggestion. We decided to wait, Kehler had already been sent, in five days he would come. I will definitely unsubscribe, I promise the report!

light head and golden hands

It's all about your husband and me
And I actually talked about Kenwood ...

at one time I used a bread maker, but in terms of volume we need much more dough, so I'm going to buy a dough mixer

And you don't have any. This is the European market.

And we have a lot of equipment of this brand. Officially, they do not sell in stores, but in Internet shops, on Olkh you can take from the smallest equipment to refrigerators, washing machines, dishwashers. The choice is very large and varied. Yes, they are imported from Europe, they sell at affordable prices. Klarstein equipment is budgetary, but good. I have a Klarstein dough mixer, I described it in the topic here. And also a screw juicer.

And we have a lot of equipment of this brand.

I know. But, you know yourself .. So there is no Klarstein in Russia yet.

[Vitaly54]

We decided to wait, Kehler had already been sent, in five days he would come. I will definitely unsubscribe, I promise the report!

Vitaly54, I am waiting for your report. What have you already done? Impressions?

Good evening everyone.As promised, the report on the Kehler combine. Came in five days, 13 nozzles. All nozzles, powder metal, that is, all light, that is not ice. Outwardly it looks very decent, two days ago, we decided to knead dumplings dough. According to the instructions 1.5 kg of flour, my wife and I poured 750g. R. We turned on the harvester and began to fish, the harvester on the table. Two minutes later, they caught the dough, almost ready, turned it on for another minute. In general, the dough was kneaded, holding the combine in four hands. It turned out that the harvester works only at maximum speed, although there are 13 speeds. For two days I can’t get through to St. Petersburg, only the music is playing, but the phone is not answered, but the music is pleasant. Tomorrow I'll still call, and then I'll go and put it in a corner. I promise that the report will turn out. Goodbye to everyone.

[Vitaly54]

Vitaly54, Vitaly, very sorry. I will keep my fingers crossed so that you can get through and return this car with a refund. It's sad that such a product is handed

[Vitaly]

VitalyI sympathize, it's very sad to receive such a technique

For two days I can’t get through to St. Petersburg, only the music is playing, but the phone is not answered, but the music is pleasant.

this is just horror, this attitude towards customers is not in favor of the store. And they do not have a support service, where can I write?

Today, that is, on the third day, I got through, three hours later, I called and called without interruption. They promised to send a new harvester by December 26, that is, we change a new one, for our new one at the delivery point. We are waiting for December 26, maybe this epic will end. I’m right, they said on the forum what you need to buy so that the warranty workshop is in your city. But it was already too late, the combine was sent, it was inconvenient to refuse. The mentality of a pensioner, we trust everyone, 65 years earlier everything was fair. Science to all of us. Report for me.

[Vitaly54]

by December 26, send a new harvester, i.e., we change a new one, to our new one at the delivery point.

Vitaly54, You are now new check at this point.

[Vitaly]

Girls, I will put it here so that you can see and understand.




Vitaly, if you need help in St. Petersburg, write.

Girls! Who tried this thing: OBERHOF BRETH C-34. With two hooks. Curiosity is simply gnawing! Representation of a German company in Russia, the price is ridiculous, but the hook .... I just feel like a cannibal Ellochka: ohhoho !!!! I wonder if he is as good at work as he is handsome? Or is it just luring?

I looked at the reviews about it, both are good, but the photo shows that the plug is Chinese, although the products are presented as German. It's strange.

Representation of a German company in Russia, the price is ridiculous, and the hook.

For the sake of curiosity, I went to take a look, damn the price is of course tempting about 8 thousand for the action, and her vegetable cutter as a gift Of course is too small in weight, apparently the suckers will hold. Doesn't anyone of ours have such a thing?

OBERHOF BRETH C-34

Please note that the points of warranty repair with addresses and phone numbers are not indicated.

and the hook ...

It seems that Gemlux GL-SM5.2 and Kitfort KT-1343 are very similar to this Oberhof, but those. at least they have support. Maybe look at them?

Thank you! I didn't pay attention to such "little things". Yes, Kitfort deserves attention, all the more experience has it: the teapot has served faithfully for four years))

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Kitfort 1348 has settled with me since December .. this is my first planetary mixer, there is nothing to compare with. There are some drawbacks, but in general, for its price, it suits it, frees hands, makes life easier. I use it several times a week

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Is it correct to compare ANKARSRUM AKM6230 and BOSCH Küchenmaschine MUM9AE5S00?

Girls who have a MARCATO PASTA MIXER? How are you? Conveniently? I really fell for him. And I don’t understand why the price for them is different? - because of the attachments or are the kneaders different?

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, an interesting machine, I have not seen this discussed here, I looked, the price is different, of course, because of the attachments, although the attachments are sold separately, the difference is not very big (I considered the most expensive 42 thousand tons, there is a rolling 22 cm, the difference is a machine + separately the same attachments only 600re) For me, the minus is that it is a clean mixer, if + rolling, then the price is somehow not humane. The steep majority makes the dough which is 21 seconds and the kneader is not needed. , for the rest of the species the planetary is better. If purely for pasta / pasta that is pasta.

[Svetlana777]

Svetlana777, yes, I also understand that she is not so irreplaceable. Kesha does an excellent job with the test. It is most likely just love at first sight)). It happens that I saw everything, I want a mage.

I have one! Recently! Received but haven't tried it yet. Since we, alas, work now without days off ... I'll try on Sunday. But I can already take a picture !!!
I also wanted her for a long time, but the price is biting. Accidentally I saw a little used. So I bought it. Now I have it !!!

for other species, a planetary is better.

Planetary mixers heat the dough during the kneading process. This is not suitable for every bread.

[Crown]

Crown, Galina, all machines heat up the dough. Therefore, water is poured at a certain temperature, the bowls are cooled, or even the dough between kneading ...

From Elephant (Philips pasta machine) hot macaroons also come out.

Nata-li, I'm very happy for you. Bring showing off whenever possible

KroNa, Galina, all the machines are heating the dough. Therefore, water is poured at a certain temperature, the bowls are cooled, or even the dough between kneading ...

Nope, not all, spirals do not heat. This is not my opinion, but of one very good experienced baker.
By coincidence, I recently also switched to a spiral machine, though on a smaller scale, but it does not heat the dough at all during long kneading.

From Elephant (Philips pasta machine) hot macaroons also come out.

Yes, because there is a lot of tension, or rather pressure on the dough.

[Nata-li]

Nata-li, uh!, show me as much as possible, at least on photos I will love. And what size? Roughly like a bread maker just lying down?)) And really looking forward to your feedback after you try it.

Any mechanical interaction between objects, that is, friction, impact, etc., cause the release of energy. This explains the heating of the dough.
As far as I know, no one has yet succeeded in refuting the laws of physics!
If I'm wrong, give an example!
Whoever can do this will receive a Nobel Prize and a portrait on the front pages of newspapers and pages of all sites!

If I'm wrong, give an example!

alas, but this is how it really is Whatever one may say, but no one has canceled the physical laws, and if some believe that it does not heat up in certain machines, then let them continue to believe. (if you really need to work with cold dough, not on an industrial scale, then what prevents you from wrapping the bowl with a cooling device?)

what prevents the cooling device from wrapping the bowl

Or work with very chilled food and in a cold bowl ?? What's the problem with heating the dough? Until some kind of ahkakahkak does not heat up ,,, what's the problem ??
Well, hot macaroshki so what ??

Well hot macaroshki so what ??

the macaroons are hot, but here we are not talking about them, (and the dough there is not hot when kneading, when squeezing out, yes, Khfizika, however), but like about a dough mixer - that the planetary overheats the dough and you need a dough mixer, you don't have it, but you bake a lot and what without him, how ?! you get by with a planetary, it seems to me that it is more in demand - even though the dough, even the cream, minced meat, marshmallows, etc., etc., oh, yes, the plein-less bag is all!

Does the bread maker not heat the dough? But we bake and knead the dough in it. And the dough is excellent.

planetary overheats the dough

I didn't understand at all ... like the physicist herself, I forgot a little of course, but in fact I see every day that it is warming up there ?? What matters is the device itself? Or it is necessary on a scale, wow ?!

[zvezda]

zvezda, Olya,
Damn, Olya!
Rub your hands - you will feel the warmth! Any friction produces energy release in the form of heat.
And in planetary and any other, there is friction when mixing, heat is released. Another thing. that there is not so much of it for the dough to start baking!
For example, it never crossed my mind to measure the temperature, if it rises by 1-2 degrees - it's uncritical. Although I admit, for some it is a tragedy, maybe there are recipes where the accuracy is needed up to 0.1 degrees!

I didn't understand at all ... like the physicist herself, I forgot a little of course, but in fact I see every day that it is warming up there ??

the dough is not my opinion, but higher ... when I said for the planetary that it is more universal, the answer was Kneading machines # 2884

but in fact I see every day that it is heated there ??

here I can say that if the kneading is long, not necessarily the dough, then the pin on which the whisk / nozzle heats up, and then the heat transfer proceeds, but I think it is not significant, + the dough / product itself rubs against the bowl (but I noticed this only when working quickly and for a long time, did not pay attention when mixing slowly). Maybe someone makes the dough on a large scale for business, this is essential, but for personal household needs, planetary is better

The dough is heated in any machine when kneading - it's a fact!
I have a professional floor-standing machine, powerful, for 10 kg of flour - do you think this saved the dough from heating? Of course not!)))) - this is physics. Well, they explained above.
Under certain circumstances, when we knead brioche / cake / panetone, etc., we need to keep the temperature of the dough no higher than 24 degrees, and then dancing with tambourines begins in the form of cooling the dough, by removing it from the lady and sending it to the refrigerator.
But all these dances are simply useless for cooking, such as pasta dough or dumplings.
Actually, the Markato machine is declared on the site as a kneader for a tight dough, which is just a dumpling or pasta.
The question is, is there any point in paying for such an expensive device, if there is HP that does an excellent job of this task.
If you need a flat pasta, then just buy a dough roll with attachments to HP, the same marcato and the issue with fresh pasta and dumplings is resolved)))

Rub your hands - you will feel the warmth

To kill myself ... I rubbed it, and then you began to read on, take command, I am an obedient lady ..

if it rises by 1-2 degrees, it is not critical.

So I'm talking about it ... faq to panic ??

Yes, I'm on my own, it's of course exclusively about bread dough, nothing to do with macaros.
It's just that I recently acquired an oven and dug myself headlong into the theme of hearth breads (in all their diversity and variety), but everything is not so, everything is completely different than in a bread maker. And the "kolobok rule" does not work, and the "mix", which they used to scare me so stubbornly before, is not at all critical, and pure rye dough, as it turned out, also requires good long kneading, and much more.
Regarding the difference between a planetary or spiral kneader, I snatched it from one baker, he himself prefers spiral and motivates his choice by the fact that they knead more delicately and do not heat the dough, and therefore do not require additional dances with cooling, unlike planetary machines. During his baking career, a friend has worked on different types of equipment, so he is deeply in the subject, so he shares his experience with neophytes. A person works in a bakery, where, along with large-scale industrial equipment, "mini" kneaders are also used. Well, as a mini, for the house it will already be a maxi, for 4 kg of flour and almost 10 kg of dough.
I skimmed through the reference books, they also write that the heating of the dough depends, among other things, on the shape of the working tool (the spiral "hook" is r. And.), And there was a phrase that spiral kneaders still heat the dough less, and a lot of uncle didn’t lie.
I just prudently (in fact, purely by chance, I really liked it) bought a stationary hand mixer Stadler, now it serves me as a spiral kneader, just like the "adults".

I'm on my own

So this is who the troublemaker is .... it is clear, understandable ... otherwise I have already climbed into the textbooks, I think I was dull ..
In general, there are so many myths and direct air around cooking .. look how Lazerson cooks !! Genius! And everything is simple and without "fluff" !!
For example, you cannot heat gelatin above 60 * ... and .. ??