Coffee machine

[Niunia]

Niunia
Knowledgeable people say that the simpler, the more reliable. The fillings, or rather the insides of the coffee makers, are the same, only the stainless steel exterior and electronics increase the price to cosmic figures. Choose more reliable, which means the one that is easier to care for. Good luck!

Saeco is one of the best coffee brands. True, the sale of Phillips spoiled them a little, but they still remain one of the leaders, along with Jura and Gaggia. If you want to drink normal coffee for a long period, then it makes no sense to take other brands of coffee machines.

Saeco is one of the best coffee brands. True, the sale of Phillips spoiled them a little, but they still remain one of the leaders, along with Jura and Gaggia. If you want to drink normal coffee for a long period, then it makes no sense to take other brands of coffee machines.

Have you compared? See the huge difference? Out of these three awesome, and out of the rest not? In my opinion, this is a strong prejudice, and about "does not make sense" has long been greatly exaggerated. I do not pretend to be something, but, in my opinion, the coffee machine is not a product of space technologies and the largest and most reliable brands that cope with other technically complex products more than cope with their manufacture. And not only this trinity knows how to make normal coffee. It's like a Mille washer with a honeycomb drum, which washes drop dead. I would rather agree. True, not at times, but by some percentage, but it costs many times more. Most people simply won't notice this difference. Especially when using mediocre powder. Miele, by the way, created the first built-in coffee maker and is still the leader in this direction. Then forget about them and not name them incorrectly. We can talk about the technical subtleties of reliability, ease of maintenance (for example, a fully removable and rinsed brewing unit), ease of use of milk containers (like a branded saeko jug), etc. But they make coffee more than normal. None of them are now directly a cut above. This is, of course, my personal opinion.

By the way, I have two coffee lovers in my family. I have a fairly expensive Bosch. My sister has an expensive sensory Saeko. She didn't really notice the difference. The coffee is different (especially when you consider that the beans are also different), but it is different.

It's like the situation with HP. For us, bakers, this is close and understandable. Now the ovens of many brands have become equal. I still have a habit of Panasonic, but I don't think that LG, Moulinex or a whole range of ovens are failing or are far behind. There are technical baubles, different sizes, bucket reliability, but the bread is excellent.

Second, read my post above, how I got burned with Saeko and it turned out that Delonge makes coffee tastier, and I have something to compare with.

Have you compared? See the huge difference? Out of these three awesome, and out of the rest not? In my opinion, this is a strong prejudice, and about "does not make sense" has long been greatly exaggerated. I do not pretend to be something, but, in my opinion, the coffee machine is not a product of space technologies and the largest and most reliable brands that cope with other technically complex products more than cope with their manufacture. And not only this trinity knows how to make normal coffee.

I fully subscribe. At home there is a capsule Bosch TAS 4013 EE, at work the "shaggy" Saeco with friends Delonga and Bosch. There is no difference. Well, unless, of course, a super gourmet who will distinguish "Jamaica Blue Mountain" from "Kenya AA Ruiruiru" with his eyes closed

I fully subscribe. At home there is a capsule Bosch TAS 4013 EE, at work the "shaggy" Saeco with friends Delonga and Bosch. There is no difference.Well, unless, of course, a super gourmet who will distinguish "Jamaica Blue Mountain" from "Kenya AA Ruiruiru" with his eyes closed

"And Baba Yaga is against", but here I disagree with you, capsule coffee makers, I will not say that coffee is brewed bad, it is average and mediocre, better than a Turk and a cheap coffee grinder, you will use a higher quality and fresh product.
And to buy "canned coffee", coffee after roasting, starting somewhere from 2-3 weeks, slowly turns into byaka, IMHO

It is pointless to argue, this is a purely purely religious matter, another holivar. Instant "coffee" as they bought and will buy, so that we do not speak here

And I was really against capsules? there is a segment of mainstream products, pasta in packs of 5 kg, not fast, and so on, it has its own consumers who do not need more, so everything is ok.
P.S. And the fact that there are used impurities to create the taste, I am 100% sure, because from natural coffee at such a rate of infusion, you cannot "squeeze out" much, it takes time to extract.
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P.S. And the fact that there are used impurities to create the taste, I'm 100% sure, because you can't "squeeze out" a lot from natural coffee at such a flow rate, extraction takes time.
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This is not entirely true, technology does not stand still https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=168318.40
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Let's tie it up, it's your choice and I respect it.
As an offtopic, I will cite the post of a person who ate a "dog" on coffee:

Personally, milking me key points (why I will not use capsules) are:
1) I like the process of making espresso cappuccino. I do not consider it to be long (in fact, it is not) and burdensome
2) I do not believe that there is no chemistry there! And it's not about the foam, or rather, not only about the foam
Anyone who has tasted freshly roasted coffee and was able to follow the dynamics of taste for 2 months knows what radical changes are taking place. And the capsules are stored for almost years and everything is "excellent"
Capsule nicknames talk about a "unique processing method" so this is probably on-chemistry

P.S. And you are unlikely to see her, believe me!
It's like in a joke, when a grandmother sells apples from the Chernobyl zone, and a man says: normal big apples, I don't see any radiation!

[sergN]

sergN So I'm talking about this, everyone knows that instant coffee is chemistry, however, they don't stop buying it and sellers sell it
new "varieties" "Columbia Superior" for example, everyone will remain with their

oto bo y vono. BUT if you change your mind, or you see this sort of variety in coffee shops: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazú Coffee. Try it, you won't regret it !.

[sergN]

sergN I will definitely try it in the coffee shop. I really like the coffee that is brewed in the restaurant, I won't say the variety, but it's very decent and I take dessert with it, real Tiramisu 🔗

Nifigase, left home for a couple of hours with a dream of Delonghi
And HERE such a discussion unfolded
Now "digest" again. I am already on the verge of balls for rollers
But it is always useful to glean useful information, listen to the opinion of experts, for which they have great respect.

Yeah, and I have such a situation ... while I woke up, but here ... uhh
Well, let's start with capsule ones, we have one from NESPRESSO, or something like that .. honestly, I'm not happy, I really don't know from what .. whether from coffee, then from the price of capsules.
My old carob SCARLET cooks better.
Now we use an ordinary Turk and maybe even enough. I just want something more automated, because there is so little time in the morning, and here you still have to guard the coffee. And already as something to buy new, then I want a coffee machine, well, so as not to put any effort at all in the morning, when my legs are already moving around the room, and my eyes are still filling up

"And Baba Yaga is against", but here I disagree with you, capsule coffee makers, I will not say that coffee is brewed bad, it is average and mediocre, better than a Turk and a cheap coffee grinder, you will use a higher quality and fresh product.
And to buy "canned coffee", coffee after roasting, starting somewhere from 2-3 weeks, slowly turns into byaka, IMHO

And where can you buy a freshly roasted coffee? Everything that is sold in supermarkets is stored for years ...

It should be like I did 25 years ago, bought green coffee, roasted it, ground it and put it in a cezve

It should be like I did 25 years ago, bought green coffee, fried it, ground it and put it in a cezve

And spend half your life to learn how to fry it properly. At one time, there was no other than green. I never learned how to roast it to get delicious coffee.

It's impossible to secretly roast coffee normally at home.

Secretly, it is impossible to normally roast coffee at home.

I suspected it.

And where can you buy a freshly roasted coffee? Everything that is sold in supermarkets is stored for years ...

If I may, I would recommend the seller on ebay from whom I buy 🔗 , I really don’t know how much it will go to you, it will reach me in 10 days. Or 🔗 James is a very good roaster.
By the way, I will also recommend Guatemala Santa Clara, too, very, very much like my taste.

Secretly, it is impossible to normally roast coffee at home.

If you really want to, you can, but not in a frying pan, but ..., well, for example 🔗
sazalexter about Tiramisu low blow, one of my favorite desserts

Rita, I buy freshly roasted coffee at the Caffeine cafe in Moscow, maybe you also have a specialized cafe.

[sergN]

sergN Oops, Sori didn't know

I appreciate your efforts
And, frankly, my husband still does not leave this thought and is more inclined towards Philips Saeko HD 8745 and 8750.
So I think everything will be just a really surprise

Well that's how it happened
Today, while my brain was boiling over the choice debate
The spouse solemnly announced that he ordered DELONGI 3000
What do you say, gentlemen

Will arrive on March 6, so I'm here with you for a long time

Well that's how it happened
Today, while my brain was boiling over the choice debate
The spouse solemnly announced that he ordered DELONGI 3000
What do you say, gentlemen

Will arrive on March 6, so I'm here with you for a long time

The most important thing is that she would please you!

P.S. This is for so much for self-education 🔗

What is the problem with green coffee. If you need to roast well, get a coffee roaster. On e-bay with delivery to Russia from a reliable seller from $ 127.

The most important thing is that she would please you!

P.S. This is for so much for self-education 🔗

ATP for another useful link
I especially liked the instruction that is right about me
Now the 2 stage-cups are correct,
3-means all sorts of care,
And of course, the most important thing is that you like to pick up GRAINS
So many things to do, so many things to do ...

[Rita]

And where can you buy a freshly roasted coffee? Everything that is sold in supermarkets is stored for years ...

Rita
I buy green coffee in torrefacto, and I really like the beans, the assortment, and the service. There is also freshly roasted coffee. I ordered some varieties several times already. I ordered earlier from Germany (docklands-coffee.de), but it’s a long time to wait from there, but here, for example, I ordered on March 1st, today I received a message by email that the coffee was sent. In two days I will be able to get it through the pickpoint, very convenient!
sazalexter

Secretly, it is impossible to normally roast coffee at home.

Let me disagree with you. The experience of many coffee lovers suggests that excellent roasted coffee is obtained at home. I have been roasting coffee for the second year already, I started in a cast-iron cauldron, in which, by the way, very good and aromatic coffee was obtained, and since February of that year I have been roasting in GeneCafe. For me, my family and friends, the best coffee is home-roasted coffee. The aroma, taste, you adjust everything the way you want to get it, and not the coffee that was roasted somewhere, by someone, and once. I don’t remember, but I read somewhere that coffee in professional roasting machines is roasted for only 40 (!) Seconds.

Well that's how it happened
Today, while my brain was boiling over the choice debate
The spouse solemnly announced that he ordered DELONGI 3000
What do you say, gentlemen

Will arrive on March 6, so I'm here with you for a long time

Insava
Congratulations! Our regiment has arrived!
The choice is excellent, functionally practically does not differ from mine.
The machine is easy to operate - decalcification, removal of coffee fats, and the coffee is delicious.
Good luck in learning!

If I may, I would recommend the seller on ebay from whom I buy
🔗 , I really don’t know how much it will go to you, it will reach me in 10 days. Or 🔗 James is a very good roaster.
By the way, I will also recommend Guatemala Santa Clara, too, very, very much like my taste.

And so for the general development from ebay - links which varieties were tested
Still wondering how much will the parcels get to me ???
I am now tormenting with questions
I don’t understand anything about this, and I’m not ashamed to admit
For this we have gathered

My car has arrived!

Well this is of course a BOMB
When I saw, I almost fainted, really true
And about "arrived in the regiment" - for this, a huge human thanks
I love this forum more and more

[insava]

Well this is of course a BOMB
When I saw, I almost fainted, really true
And about "arrived in the regiment" - for this, a huge human thanks
I love this forum more and more

insava
My very first coffee machine is a Delonghi ESAM 4200S, today I was cleaning it with chemistry from coffee fats, I should soon go to the new owner.

And so for the general development from ebay - links which varieties were tested
Still wondering how much will the parcels get to me ???
I am now tormenting with questions
I don’t understand anything about this, and I’m not ashamed to admit
For this we have gathered

Well, all markers taste different
I tried this way with 10 varieties so far in favorites:
№1 🔗
but the seller no longer has it
№2 🔗
hmm ... he's gone too, which is a pity.
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James 🔗
But you look at the profile and choose what is closer to you.
And for the residents of Russia the closest thing is
Regarding delivery, everything depends on the PR, and she does not spoil you.
By the way, here are a couple of good stores:
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And for the residents of Russia the closest thing is

I buy coffee in torrefacto, and I like the beans, the assortment, and the service very much.

Well, apparently, we'll start with him ...

[Margit]

I also ordered in Torrefakto, we are already trying with might and main. We ordered fried, there are no plans to master this technology. I liked it very much. The coffee arrived quickly. On February 23rd it was roasted, on the 28th we have already received it. The roasting is not dark - but I just love this. I also bought a Delongey 6600 car, thanks to the forum, and I am very grateful to everyone who helped me decide
Separate THANKS Margit - because I decided on a coffee machine after reading your post, where it was written that the heart does not hurt from normal coffee - indeed, the heart does not hurt from good coffee (if you drink reasonable portions, of course).

Uryayayaya

And immediately a question:
- cappuccino preparation sequence -
first, whisk the froth in a cup, and then prepare coffee in the same cup {as shown in the video, sergN - ATP};
or add the whipped milk to the ready-made coffee (I didn't come up with it, but the instructions say so} like the machine is too hot to be used. coffee and she needs to cool down?!?
I lean towards the 1st option in the video
But everything seems to be more or less clear

Uryayayaya

And immediately a question:
- cappuccino preparation sequence -
first, whisk the froth in a cup, and then prepare coffee in the same cup {as shown in the video, sergN - ATP};
or add the whipped milk to the ready-made coffee (I didn't come up with this, but the instructions say so} like the machine is too hot to be used. coffee and she needs to cool down?!?
I lean towards the 1st option in the video
But everything seems to be more or less clear

I hope we washed that purchase

first, whisk the froth in a cup, and then prepare coffee in the same cup {as shown in the video, sergN - ATP};
or add whipped milk to ready-made coffee

And it depends on what you want to get at the end: latte or cappuccino

I hope we washed that purchase
And it depends on what you want to get at the end: latte or cappuccino

Yes, my son and I have just washed it with coffee
And about latte and cappuccino, this is more detailed pzhlsta
That is, if the froth is added to the finished coffee, then this is a latte
And if first. froth, and then make coffee in this cup, then this is cappuccino [if the froth does not settle]
Or vice versa
Chegoyatwill

And if first. froth, and then make coffee in this cup, then this is cappuccino [if the froth does not settle]

Good foam will not settle. Good froth from milk with a high protein content. Valio, for example.

Good foam will not settle. Good froth from milk with a high protein content. Valio, for example.

I already understood about Valio, thanks
I just carried out "political information" to my husband based on the materials of the forum

but there are automatic coffee machines and no more than 20 ...)))))))))))))))))))

Yes, my son and I have just washed it with coffee
And about latte and cappuccino, this is more detailed pzhlsta
That is, if the froth is added to the finished coffee, then this is a latte
And if first. froth, and then make coffee in this cup, then this is cappuccino [if the froth does not settle]
Or vice versa
Chegoyatwill

but this is just the beginning
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There is no limit to perfection, really
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Girls, here is a picture where you can visually see what coffee drinks are and their nameshttps://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=65544.120

Girls, here is a picture where you can visually see what coffee drinks are and their nameshttps://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=65544.120

I do not look like a girl at all, but I will answer, in the picture they are the same, the only difference is in the preparation:
Latte - hot whipped milk is poured into a cup, and then, gently, hot coffee. It turns out a layered drink. Cappuccino - first pour the espresso, and then lay out a head of foam and stir slightly - an almost homogeneous drink is obtained.

Thank you all very much for the links.
I keep myself "in hand", otherwise I want to try everything (it wouldn't be bad)
Well, it turns out more or less
In general, I got a "year of mastering the technique":
first, a new washing machine (the old one has served faithfully for 19 years);
then - a cartoon, a thermopot, a dishwasher ...
and finally COFFEE MACHINE
I haven't read so much printed text since school

[Margit]

Separate THANKS Margit - because I decided on a coffee machine after reading your post, where it was written that the heart does not hurt from normal coffee - indeed, the heart does not hurt from good coffee (if you drink reasonable portions, of course).

Nymph

Thank you for your kind words! I am glad that I was able to help with something.

Uryayayaya
And immediately a question:
- cappuccino preparation sequence -
first, whisk the froth in a cup, and then prepare coffee in the same cup {as shown in the video, sergN - ATP};
or add the whipped milk to the ready-made coffee (I didn't come up with this, but the instructions say so} like the machine is too hot to be used. coffee and she needs to cool down?!?
I lean towards the 1st option in the video
But everything seems to be more or less clear

insava
How great, congratulations again! Let it serve for a long time and please with delicious coffee!
About latte and cappuccino.
Latte is a coffee with milk, milk is whipped and poured into a glass or latte glass, holding a cap of foam with a spoon, and pour coffee in a thin stream, do not stir, put a hill of foam on top, the one that was held with a spoon. At the bottom of the glass, you can pre-pour 20-50 gr. any syrup - condensed milk - liqueur (optional). Top latte can be sprinkled with grated chocolate or cocoa, nuts.
For cappuccino, coffee is first prepared (30-60 ml), then milk is whipped in a pitcher to T 60C and whipped milk is poured into a cup of coffee in a thin stream, if the milk is whipped correctly, then pouring it into the coffee, you can draw patterns by swinging the streams of milk, or then paint on the surface with syrup. The syrup will adhere well to the properly frothed milk.
It is not difficult to learn how to whip milk, it does not work right away, but it's okay. Gradually, understanding and skill will come. As on one of the forums one person said very interestingly:
"... Even now it is difficult to imagine that it didn’t work, now the hands are doing the right thing. Remember, when we passed the license, everything was hard to fit in my head at the same time: transmission, speed, grip, traffic light ... and now it’s not even you think, everything happens automatically ... both literally and figuratively :) "

My advice: to get started, buy a 300 ml pitcher, you don't need a larger size, the machine will not master. Whisk milk in it. There are a lot of videos on YouTube, because it's better to see once than hear a hundred times. Here is one of them:

but there are automatic coffee machines and no more than 20 ...)))))))))))))))))))

mowgli

This amount can be easily met, do not worry. First, go shopping, talk to managers, think, weigh the pros and cons. Good luck!

This is how I started, on Delonchi 4200S

This is wow! SUCH beauty! It will be a pity to drink this.

I have a De Longy 155 carob coffee maker and I have a cappuccino maker, I can't whip the foam, tell me in more detail what% of cream is needed there and how to whip it correctly

[Mowgli - Natalia]

Mowgli - Natalia , high protein milk is suitable for whipping, not cream, if I am not mistaken then not less than 2.6%. But I never looked at these percentages - I buy Parmalat milk 1.5% fat - it whips perfectly, they say Valio is also excellent, the other day I bought a bottle of Brest-Litovskoe - gorgeous foam

and we only have yogurt and the Kuban cow and milk like you do not have but how much milk to pour and what kind of mug should be?