IRR
Quote: SoNya 68


Now about the brands. If you do not own the info, do not need one size fits all. First-Delfa- official brand (registered!) Of Foxtrot, its own production
They mastered their own production elementary in order to reduce the cost, and therefore have the opportunity to sell in the current conditions.
Well done, trying to survive. If only they would buy out multi Panas's, there would be no price for Foxtrot. Or an analogue at an affordable price. A dreamy smiley, pinching in two armpits for a cartoon. Small and large. Not in the subject, well, cry from the heart. (I don't seem to get enough of it, but - I'm eating a sandwich in the morning, I think, but what about the people?)
Sergey Rzhanoy
To bake two loaves at once - you need to buy two ovens!
And if there are 5 loaves, then 5 ovens!
sazalexter
In Russia, retail chains are also creating their own "brands" Lenta-Lentel, Eldorado-Elenberg, Electroflot -Bork
can go on for a long time
ikko4ka
Quote: Sergey Rzhanoy

Yeah - a topic about choosing a cheap stove - and again about Panasonic.
I'll tell you a secret (I got it myself) - the oven in baking bread is the very last thing in the process. The secret is not in the stove - but in the head (first of all), and a little in the hands. And in the stove it is just more convenient, and they are all almost the same.
Yesterday I baked sourdough bread at the same time in the oven and in the oven. The oven is more laborious. but it seems tastier. Maybe it just seems?
All stoves (like all other household appliances) are made in China from the same components (which may differ, but not significantly).
And when buying Panasonic (and any other cool brand), you pay half of the money for the NAME, and the other half for the stove itself.
And you don't have to try too hard when choosing - anyway, 80% of real factors cannot be taken into account.
Sergey, I don't have Panasonic, but I'm for this stove! I have not read complaints on the forum that the crust of the bread in it does not brown well. And this is one of the disadvantages of x. P.
IRR
Quote: sazalexter

In Russia, retail chains are also creating their own "brands" Lenta-Lentel, Eldorado-Elenberg, Electroflot -Bork
can go on for a long time
What is it? -The topic is a SIMPLE bakery. Panasonic a priori cannot be considered it. Not by use, nor by price. We are the owners of inexpensive stoves, already here we were jealous of you for the whole day that you have Panasonic. Here is a cross for you (a smiley in a cassock covering himself with a cross) May God grant you and him (her) health. Everything I can.
Disana
Quote: Rina72

Disana, this is my opinion, which is based on my conditions. It is possible that your mother has her own reasons for such an order. By the way, maybe I was in a hurry - and in such stoves there is only one double bucket or a large and double bucket in the set? Then my arguments most likely fall away.

I myself don't even know if they even exist in nature - HP with two buckets ..
it was mom's wish
and my task is to choose and present to her ...
Rina
Disana, are available from several manufacturers. In Russia, it seems, this is some sort of bork. Maybe, because of another option, he was able to do it? Where can there be a rectangular bucket and a round one? And this is for Kenwood 350 (450) and some model for Tefal (but there is a higher price than Panasonic), here's another bork (also not cheap, BORK BM SBA 1062 SI).

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And yet ... Members of the forum, do not you think that this topic has been controversially debated on the forum more than once? Moreover, those who needed CP "unpretentious", "for grandparents", "to the village", etc. have long ago made their choice and presented everything?
IRR
Quote: Rina72

Disana,

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And yet ... Members of the forum, do not you think that this topic has been controversially debated on the forum more than once? Moreover, those who needed CP "unpretentious", "for grandparents", "to the village", etc. have long ago made their choice and presented everything?
The answer is simple - YES.You will be an arbitrator (you are corrosive, but objective)
SoNya 68
What you named from HP really have 2 forms. BUT...
for single use)))))))))))
SoNya 68
By the way, the owners of cheap stoves. Do you have crust problems?
I still have no, no ...... Before this forum, I never imagined that such could be.
Mueslik
Quote: Disana

I do not know why :) my mother asked so.
well, I'll give her your words - maybe she will agree to a big loaf
Disana , there are such stoves, there are two forms each, one is a double bucket and the second is a large loaf
here, look, there is a Temka about them
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1578.0
I have such
And then there is Binaton - she also has a double bucket, Admin has such
SoNya 68

But in general, they bake by weight like one large loaf. Then the point ?? Just bake two identical babies ???
Mueslik
SoNya 68 , she will bake what they put in her, she doesn't care
I will copy my message from the topic about Daewoo
I baked two different breads, gray and whole grain, in my gallery there is a photo
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_wrapper&Itemid=74
There are a lot of options - why bake two the same, when you can vary the additives, for example, part of the flour is replaced by another, in one bucket there is oatmeal (50 grams), in the other buckwheat, there will be two breads of different taste
you can bake with flakes, in the same way, two different options for flakes in buckets
one more whole grain, another with bran
you never know, one with cheese, the other with sausage
If sweet, in one, raisins, candied fruit in the second, and so on, which will allow fantasy
The main thing is that the recipes must be suitable for the baking mode - it is baked in one mode
SoNya 68
Indeed, you convinced me, if only the program would match. And the bread can be made exactly different!
Nothing, someday, maybe .................... .)))))))))))))
Mueslik
Now let's go to the topic of deviceaholics
To be honest, I really like her and I'm glad that I bought her
sazalexter
IRR Let's define the terms SIMPLE is not CHEAP!
This is HP with a maximum of THREE buttons for selecting the "White", "Black", "Dough" mode, and with a clear instruction in the buyer's language, and with a recipe book in the same language! So I proposed to discuss such options. Panasonic was not discussed, there is no need ...
Now back to the beginning of the discussion https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=12686.0
": 06 June 2009, 14:10:55"In short, what is this writing. Despite the almost identical recipes, bread from ovens of different companies can be seen to be very different in taste. Who has experience in operating Panasonic and ovens of other manufacturers, tell me from which ovens the bread tastes the closest to Panasonic?
Gypsy
Quote: SoNya 68

By the way, the owners of cheap stoves. Do you have crust problems?
no!
Gypsy
Quote: sazalexter

Tell me from which ovens the bread tastes the closest to Panasonic?

the taste of bread does not in any way depend on the firm and brand of cotton, the taste of bread directly depends on the products put in the bucket
Zhekka
Dug in the net BENTEN BN-7591 for 40 bucks. What do you think to take?
Gypsy
such? if so .. then in israel this model had no reviews
What to choose in the initial price range?
Zhekka
well, yes, such, but 40 cu. e.
Zhekka
And I decided to take the same Orion ... What, not worth it?
Zhekka
There is also ZELMER 43Z011, $ 90
How do you think?

Bread maker ORION OBM-206 for 69 USD ...
Gypsy
I don't even know .. just when I bought my own was this option too .. but the reviews .. I'm a suspicious person, if I read something bad about a thing, then the interest itself disappears .. moreover, if from a few more people, then definitely a conclusion * no *
Gypsy
let's better pictures .. because one and the same stove can have many names
Zhekka
So, what do we take: Orion 206 for 72 ye or DELFA DBM 938 for 61 ye?
Heeeeelp !!!!!!!!!
IRR
Ask sazalexter. He can't sleep early. Great again! Groundhog day is straight, by God ...
Gypsy
Quote: Жеkka

So, what do we take: Orion 206 for 72 ye or DELFA DBM 938 for 61 ye?
Heeeeelp !!!!!!!!!

both are not bad. We must also look at personal needs .. what weight and shape do you need a loaf?
Zhekka
Another factor: Orion 206 takes 800kW, Orion 204-600kW, Delfa -600.
Gypsy
Quote: Жеkka

Another factor: Orion 206 takes 800kW, Orion 204-600kW, Delfa -600.
have you looked at the descriptions of the stoves? they have different test volumes
Zhekka
Yes, I know. Me 900 gr. okay, my delongue has 1250, but I don't bake that much, a kilogram maximum.
Gypsy
you have heaps of stoves there
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once you are satisfied with 900g, take those that look more polished

What to choose in the initial price range? What to choose in the initial price range?
Zhekka
Do you have liberton? How old is she already? How are you satisfied?
Gypsy
I have Morphy richards. but he is a copy of liberton
happy as an elephant .. cost about $ 70 3 years ago.
here is the last baking from it https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=17150.new;topicseen#new
Rina
Quote: SoNya 68

What you named from HP really have 2 forms. BUT...
for single use)))))))))))
I just wrote about this. You just need to be absolutely sure, my mother ordered a bread maker with a double bucket for baking two small loaves or just with different shapes (round + square, but both are large)
sazalexter
Quote: Жеkka

So, what do we take: Orion 206 for 72 ye or DELFA DBM 938 for 61 ye?
Heeeeelp !!!!!!!!!
Orion 206 and 800 watts is not a lot, considering that it will only "eat" so much at the time of baking
Zhekka
Thank you, I like her too. It looks like I'll stop there.
Gypsy
The OBM-206 Bakery allows you to make 900g (2.0lb) loaves, or 1250g (2.8 lbs)
Zhekka
a loaf of 1250 is unlikely my sister will bake, but the dough for pies is yes, here the stove will have to sweat!
SoNya 68

Today we have raked off a bunch of 206 from the warehouse)))))))))))))))
And by the way, I already miss my bucket-bread is quickly eaten)))))))))))))
In general, I am very pleased. It's not even about the price - I could afford anything. It's just that I have been dealing with dough for a long time, and I know for sure that no HP will replace the baker's brains! She can only hedge. And the fact that Panasonic bakes superevsky bread-so after all his programs are elongated. It is so?? And it is very useful for the dough to wander - it will only benefit from this. But not everyone can afford a 6-hour wait)))
Zhekka
Orion just ordered 206.545 UAH + 30 for delivery. Expensive, damn it!
Zhekka
Thank you! This is for my sister and aunt, I hope the device does not disappoint, I am now, as it were, responsible for it.
Damn, I've already got so many people hooked on bread makers that manufacturers have to pay a percentage of sales to me!
Gypsy
yeah, yeah, I try them on to my pensioners .. the second one in m-video is now at a discount

Rolsen RBM-508
What to choose in the initial price range?

Duration of program cycles:
1. Main 3:00
2. Whole grain 3:40
3. Fast (KEKS) 1:38
4. Dough 1:30
5. Browning the crust 0:30

Supra BMS-150
What to choose in the initial price range?
Programs: basic, whole grain bread, quick (Quick bread is made with the addition of baking powder or baking soda, which are activated by moisture and heat.), dough, baked goods

Running time of each program:
1 Main 3:00
2 Whole grain 3:40
3 Quick Bread (Cupcake) 1:38
4 Dough 1:30
5 Baking 0:30

around 2000 re ..
SoNya 68

Yes, I, too, at work, probably too contagiously described everything, that almost everything has either been bought or are going to take. Are in the process of choosing)))))))))))
We carry bread to work, try each other. And since I am the only one on this site, I give everyone advice from our people, because the problems are most often associated with crust and weight. And I advise everyone to register here and master a lot of useful information!
IRR
SoNya 68, today I did NOT run past Foxtoroth and could not help hugging the saucepans, in particular, the Kenwood slow cooker, and finally saw Orion 206 alive. Apparently, they just brought it in, didn't have time to unpack it to the end - I saw the bucket - it was elongated, like a factory loaf (I liked it), but there was cardboard in the middle of the bucket, I looked at the tops, but now I'm thinking - how is it? two stirrers? People, and when there are 2 mixers, how many koloboks are formed 2 or is it 1? And I realized that it takes a little more space on the table (in length). And what are the loaves in weight - a maximum of 900 or more?
Gypsy
Quote: IRR

but now I’m thinking - how is it? two stirrers? People, and when there are 2 mixers, how many koloboks are formed 2 or is it 1? And I realized that it takes a little more space on the table (in length). And what are the loaves in weight - a maximum of 900 or more?
IRR go to the previous page. I gave a link there with a review and a bunch of ph .. two stirrers .. one bun .. minimum 900g loaves .. 250g maximum kilo

What to choose in the initial price range?

What to choose in the initial price range?

What to choose in the initial price range?
SoNya 68

Exactly so! Clever gypsy!
And I'm still thinking, well, how can she roll ONE kolobok with two mixers ???
Zhekka
Bliiin! So she has 2 stirrers? And now there will be bread with two holes?
I ordered this ... Eh ...
SoNya 68
It is very simple, after the last exercise, to simply take them out, moving the bun aside. And then return it to its place)))))))))))
In general, I saw a video tutorial on baking - there the man did just that, he just took out the mixer))))))))
Zhekka
Yes, I take it out in mine too, it turns out a hole, and then 2 ...
And if you put it at night, then hello, the whole bottom is torn up ...

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