Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)

N E W D U M S V A J T E !!! I get bread with a normal roof! There was not a single joint from Belonezhnaya.
Old anecdote: A broken plate is ringing in the room. The husband runs in. - What happened! - Yes, the daughter-in-law broke the plate. - But she's not there, she's at the bazaar. - And there is her handkerchief hanging.
Keep an eye on water and yeast. For the first time I hear that since flour for cakes is not good for anything else. Nonsense! I apologize for the harshness.

[Wit]

Wit, Vit, I didn't say that ...
Only answered the phrase Shapoklyak

Belonezhnaya, it's not for bread. On it, it seems, even an inscription - for cakes and pastries.

and photographed that she was a Bakery.
And I have no need to monitor water and yeast. I bake the same bread for the 2nd year. Was always perfect. As soon as this flour appeared ... Immediately water and yeast became to blame!

Where did you get it? Maybe the human factor has messed up, as Vlad writes? I agree with him and even confirm. Once it happened with yeast. I went through 10 stores and everywhere the yeast from DIFFERENT lots turned out to be garbage. And a week later, once! and the yeast went normal!
I have been baking bread from this flour since 2012. How I bought a bread maker. Same bread too. A different kind of only half a year or a year pampered.

Let's agree that Vit continues to bake at Belonezhnaya, but mamusi does not. : D And that's it.

I don't scold her. I’ll just bake it tomorrow on Macfa with the same yeast. And I'll compare it myself. I’m capable of that, believe me.

[Wit]

Wit, actually it was your flour that stood out
This manufacturer conceived it exactly as a pastry shop for biscuits. Somewhere on their website - too lazy to look, ash content, strength and other characteristics were spelled out. How does the white one differ from the Secret of the Hostess and so on. This manufacturer has a special flour for HP.
This is a delicate, weak flour. Ritus, it is not necessary to chase the volume on it. In my region, it is generally very weak and only in the French regime with nothigh humidity (kneading is denser than usual) I get a low tasty tender bread
In Basic mode, mine does not withstand mixing at all. So maybe the amount of water will not save you. Although if you knead more tightly ..., then kneading will be weaker, you should generally try
But definitely fuzzy lovers need to look at a different flour.

Yes, I forgot. If you stick a little bit of ascorbic acid on the tip of a knife, it behaves better

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, Helen, hello!)))
Wit was offended by me for his favorite flour ...
And what am I, I'm NOTHING!))) I have it for the first time, and I probably won't take it again. I'll put another bag on waffles ... and cookies.
This is where you used to be, Len, and today I banged her with Pre-Mix! Count up ... so weak! Poor fellow! The bread with a (low loaf), however, is not dense! The crust is tender. But I'm not tasty!

And if a little of this weak flour is replaced with semolina "T" (durum wheat)?

[Natalie]

Natalie, look. There is now such a delicate lace of gluten. She is all delicate and tender. We put on strong gluten from T.
That makes a pair .. gentle + strong. Bread can definitely be obtained with a tasty, delicious and high fluff, but about resistance to the effects of strong kneading .. you have to look. In theory, the soft, delicate part in the gluten can still tear.

That is, I think so, and I may be wrong, maybe there will be an increase in semolina on all fronts, that you can make a wet knead and bake in French with a dietary one and there will be a big fluff.
But in the main mode ... you need to look in practice.Maybe it will be cool, or maybe it will break anyway.

Well, about fluffy compared to strong flour, I'm also lying. Still, here you can't get the initially strong flour just by strengthening. Because in a strong one everything is strong, but here a couple is strong-weak.

But the symbiosis should give a fairly tall delicate bread.
The experiment promises to get a very interesting result

The experiment promises to get a very interesting result

Teoretitski is interesting. And something can work out! Maybe ... But I won't do it. What for? Belonezhnaya I have not 50 kg, but only 2, and it will go for pancakes, waffles and cookies with a bang!
I'm not even interested, I have a Frenchie at night caked normal on Macfa!

But definitely fuzzy lovers need to look at a different flour.

Sogdasna. Snow-white for charlottes, pies are still good, but it never even crossed my mind to make bread out of it. My favorite cupcake with an apple is fluffy from another flour, and this one is dense, at least shoot with a broom. And Ryazan is all nasty

Hello everyone! I am on the verge of choosing HP (my wife gave the task). I haven't decided on the model yet. At this stage, the following questions are of interest: should you bother looking for non-Chinese Panasonic HP, are there any fakes, if there are - how to distinguish it from the original?

Hello Sergey!

should I bother looking for HP "Panasonic" of non-Chinese production

Not worth it, since now the production is officially located in China.

are there any fakes, if there are - how to distinguish from the original?

HP should not smell strongly of plastic, a faint smell is acceptable.
HP parts must be proportional to each other.
All surfaces and "ribs" should be smooth, free of jagged edges and sharp adhesions.
Maybe someone else will tell you something

Manufacturing defects are extremely rare.

The vast majority are not fakes. The big problem is in the sellers: there are scammers, and in stores they openly slander Panasonic in order to sell other goods.

When choosing any HP, you should decide with the seller.

When choosing a model, proceed from the preferences of the family, what kind of bread do you like: plain white, rye, sour, with additives ...?


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Dear guys, good evening! She brought Bread from Talia (+ 1 c / h spoon + 1 rye spoon) ... well, Natasha knows!
On Makfa ... Pretty woman!)

[Ritochka]

Ritochka, and the truth turned out handsome!

[mamusi]

mamusi, Rita, handsome. And I never baked on Macfa. Maybe I'll try it someday.

And on Belonezhnaya Tuposka Chuchelkiny ..

Blues (old recipe for simple pancakes) (Scarecrow)

Perfect, airy. I do the batch for 3-4 minutes in HP. Although all by hand or by a mixer.

And today I baked white on the first grade of Limak, again with psyllium, but a little

260ml serum
0.5 tsp psyllium
350g flour
1 tsp salt
1 tsp yeast PAF-moment
1 tbsp olive oil
addition to the dispenser: a tablespoon of sunflower and flax seeds and up to the top, but did not tamp the dried pumpkin.
Baked mostly with filling

It turned out delicious, rubbery, my husband sat down almost half already:

Good evening everyone! Today I bought 2512 with a good discount, in the new year I will put my wife under the tree))
Please, tell me what else you need to buy from the ingredients in order to bake bread right away on January 1? Rye and loaf type. After the holidays, I promise to carefully study the forum!
By the way, who needs 2512, in mvideo its price is 16700, but if you find it cheaper, they will make the same price. At dns the price is 12499, mvideo made me the same price + used points and there was a certificate, in total 9500.

[Doroteos]

Doroteos,
Alexey, a good gift!
Buy in addition to the stove, good electronic balance, they will be needed right away.

By ingredients, flour and other things, others will tell you who lives closer to you.

[Alexei]

Alexei, I congratulate you on a successful purchase, I will add my five cents more ... Couple new potholders besides the scales, I think they will be very useful

[By flour]

in total 9500.

Congratulations!
By flour: buy Macfoo premium (for the first time ~ then decide on your preferences). Buy Rye fermented malt (appears in grocery departments in Supermarkets in rustling bags).
Buy peeled rye flour: Tverskaya or the Wizard (I just haven't tried others ...)
Take the simplest recipes from the Bread Maker Models section on our forum or from the Panasonic Recipe Book - there are great recipes.
And good luck to you! You are well done! We bought a great gift for my wife.

[Doroteos]

Doroteos, yeast. Pakmaya Turkish are good. Flour Limak c. grade, first grade and rye - all good.
Go to the shops, see what kind of flour and yeast you sell, write here and we will advise what is better to buy.
And congratulations on purchasing a great HP!

[Rye flour]

As for the rye Magician, I am not in awe of her. Good Rye flour there is at Limak and Divinka, Pudov has a good

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila,

Lyuda, have you tested the sieve?

[Svetochka,]

Svetochka,

just today, I found a battery in stock and 350g of Limakovskaya 1 grade, quickly and without straining sifted into a bucket. How did I live without him before

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, Mandraik Ludmila, I did not understand ... This is what you are secret about there under the spoiler?
It means that I do not need a sieve and there is no one to tell about it

[Margarita]

Margaritadon't cry, here about this sieve they whisper

[Ritochka]

Ritochka,

So after all, Svetochka already wrote about this vibrating sieve, we also bought it together with Anya in 1957 on ebee, it was just that Sveta had mine, and I took it from her last Tuesday, so as not to clog the topic, we hide under the spoiler, and in general there is a topic dedicated to these vibro-sieves Sieve (vibrating sieve) # 242

Tell Margarita how much they paid for this sieve and she will decide what she needs.

Vit, Ritochka

I was mistaken, confused it with psyllium, Anya reminded me well - about 1200 rubles came out. But I'm not sorry at all, I'm already tired of manual mechanical swinging like an expander

The sieve is pumped by hand, not the sieve. There the cells are aa huge! I abandoned such a device and took a sieve in the Ribbon for writing rubles. I swing my hands over a 400 grams mixer bowl in one and a half minutes. I gave a photo above. Then I mix rye with wheat with a spoon and pour it over the yeast in a bucket.

[Wit]

over the mixer bowl

Wit,

this is another dish that gets dirty, I put everything right in the bucket, except for the liquid, which I measure out with a measuring container with a rubber band, by the way, thank you for the idea, every time I mentally thank you for this idea I don’t put extra dishes, first I have to get it from somewhere , but for me everything is one in one, so then wash it again, but in my village the water rushes with my husband's hands, and it pours so much, so I am very attentive to such subtleties.

Oh, yes, you are such a shit !? I poured it into a bucket, puffed on it with a spoon and all the flour spilled out. Shaw wash there? I’ll come home and take photos officially. I only rinse the sieve.

[Wit]

Wit,

everyone has their own way, we have this. And I absolutely believe that you are so comfortable. All people are different. It is convenient for me in a different way, to describe all the nuances is just laziness So I will use my vibrating sieve and be happy with the new device, I'm not agitating you to buy it, here everyone decides for himself

It is right! And I'm not campaigning for anyone. There was just an exchange of views. If not for the toad, I would also have acquired such a sieve. And so I'll look at my pisyatirublevye and on my hands, which don't need batteries and ... aaaaaaaaa 1200 R!!!!

[Wit]

Wit,

yes, the toad is a terrible beast, she herself has one and she is constantly in the fight with my super-hamster, who needs everything and everything in the house

Natasha, excuse us, delete the excess please

Now I will say a seditious thing, I have not sowed flour for many years and am not going to do it Due to the purchase of only fresh packaged flour

... And here I am-aaa, here is more, but I also soon have such a vibrating sieve buit And I will join you gentlemen comrades vibrating sowers
Oh me and naaaaaaaaaaaaa
I'm looking at New Year's emoticons ...

[Vlad]

buying only fresh packaged flour

Unfortunately, in my situation this does not help very well, I also buy packaged flour, but 2 kg of flour are consumed for about a month or even a month and a half, if you consider that I also have all kinds of different flour, then with our excessive humidity in the house (with an almost constant humidity of 98% outside, we are fighting with it at home, but for now we are losing this battle), my flour is still saturated with excess moisture, and a certain amount of lumps are obtained, which are broken with the help of a sieve.

And then I threw out some of the flour that had stood for a long time (since summer) - mold has gone. I had to revise everything, changed the storage location, wiped all the shelves with vinegar, if possible, I keep everything poured into jars and bottles and still does not help.

Vlad, cool! Congratulations!

Sasha, does it say that it is freshly packed? After I found sand in the flour (the real one!) I threw the expander sieve, bought a sieve and always sift it. The sand inside does not depend on whether it is fresh or unfinished. He will not go anywhere and will not appear from anywhere. And I laid out pictures with sand in a sieve for a long time and we discussed this.
Lenaaaaaaaa !!!! Fuuuntiiiik !!!!!!! Explain to him, pzhalsta, that the flour is sieved not only because of possible impurities, but also to saturate the flour with oxygen.
Vlad, don't try to sift the whole bag of flour at once!

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, Thanks, but it's too early
Vitaly, I'm like that, I can and a bag of 50 kg ... just kidding of course

Yes I am, for order. Why not warn a good person

delete unnecessary please

What do you mean delete ?? !!! There was a businesslike and useful discussion for the people of sits, sieves with and without batteries! No delete!

[Wit]

Wit, there is a special topic for this

Well, Duc should be moved, not deleted. But I think that it is not necessary to transfer! She should definitely be left here. We have live communication and business, not a library (... oh, you went in the wrong place, it's down the corridor and to the right. Marivanna will tell you ...). Natasha! Well, I'm right!

[Vitaly]

Vitaly, I totally agree
... otherwise we’ll die of boredom, you sit here, and there are only loaves and loaves around

No, I will take it away, Natasha will definitely be a rugazza

[enrichment]

People, flour, yes ~ sift not only to remove garbage for the sake of, but also enrichment loosening air ~ FOR !!!

And for muffins, according to the old cookery books, flour is sifted three times!!!)))
My own father-in-law was a pastry chef of the highest rank. I taught so. His sieve (I still keep homemade))) lies on the sidelines, sow flour through it For I am an impatient choleric by nature, and then shake it by hand, oh and long! It is very small. He only used it.
But the flour passes through him like a lush cloud!
(Remember the saying "sieve friend " ~ from here and went!))). This is a friend checked-rechecked, sifted through a sieve. The best and most reliable !!! HERE!

[Ritochka]

Ritochka, I completely agree, I sow flour, somehow I tried not to sow, but I can’t reach for the sieve myself, I can’t go through some kind of ritual

[Vitaly]

Vitaly, Each package has the date of filling. At the expense of oxygen saturation, the question is ambiguous.
There's no one to sniff out oxygen in fresh flour

[Alexander]

Alexander, flour cakes under its weight, in a very short time, when you sift flour, it is always noticeable how much it is larger in volume than wholemeal.
Ritochka, now with this sieve I can sift on cupcakes 3 times, I will have to try