Okmuf
So the fact of the matter is that I did not buy. But now I have to listen to this rumble.
Natalia K.
Quote: Okmuf
And after 5 minutes, this unit begins to rattle and warm up
This is a lie, mine does not heat up and does not rattle.

Quote: Okmuf
Here I was once again convinced that we are not rich enough to buy cheap things.
Okmuf, in order to say this you registered, and today came to the topic?
Quote: Okmuf
I sat in the bushes for a long time and wondered how one could praise this coffin with suction cups (383 model, if that)
Well, why was she sitting, I would have come out earlier and would have told us everything.Dymok-Zhenya I would read your review and would not buy it myself. And you would have earned her gratitude for the tip much earlier.

Quote: Okmuf
As my mother-in-law says, she is coveted for a low price.
But the opinion of your mother-in-law is most interesting to us. We couldn't have done without him.
Quote: Okmuf
Now he regrets and thinks where to shake him off.
Let him put it on Avito.
gala10
Quote: Okmuf
this coffin on suction cups
Okmuf, the first reaction when something does not work out when using the technique: "Machine is a fool." And then you think well ... no, it's not a car.
Suliko
It's not clear that Kenwood is cooler, but there the price bites
Smoke
Quote: natalisha_31


Okmuf, in order to say this, you registered today and came to the topic? Well, why was she sitting, I would have come out earlier and would have told us everything.Dymok-Zhenya I would read your review and would not buy it myself. And you would have earned her gratitude for the tip much earlier.

Natasha, why are you reacting so sharply ???
Is this device can only be praised ??? You are lucky, he does an excellent job with any task - he beats eggs (and even one), and kneads the dough! I was a little less fortunate, and as I understand it, not only me! He didn't beat me even 5 eggs, unfortunately ... Why then the whisk in the kit? For beauty? Probably for eggs and cream ... And with such a power it shouldn't be a problem for him!

It was so nice and sincere when you all supported me and tried to help! And how sharply I became an enemy, simply because I did not like the work of this unit .... Very strange! We are all people, all different, and we all have different tastes and requirements!
I honestly tried to make friends with her, but it didn't work out!
Girls, do not take such reviews personally - these are not claims to you.
And once again I want to say to all the girls who helped me understand my problem with this dough mixer, thank you very much! : rose: And I'm leaving! The topic has become kind of aggressive!
Song
Smoke, Zhen, but after all, you did not scold everyone and everything ... that's why everyone empathized with you. And when they immediately say "coffin", then what kind of sympathy is there ... Hence the negative. You know - as it comes around, it will respond.
Okmuf
And it is forbidden to write negative reviews here. Nizzja?
Quote: natalisha_31
This is a lie, mine does not heat up and does not rattle.
I wrote specifically about the 383 model, you have a completely different model.
Quote: gala10
And then you think well ... no, it's not a car.
A very subtle disguised answer. I may be a fool, but this will not make the kneader any better.
Masinen
Okmuf, reviews are needed different, both positive and negative, in order to know the statistics of marriage or satisfied and not satisfied owners of these kneaders.

gala10
I have a 383 model. This mixer completely suits me. Does not heat up and does not scratch. I consider further discussion on this topic useless.
Quote: Okmuf
suction coffin
And this tone is not accepted on our forum.
I do not like it - no one forces you to use it.
Antonovka
gala10,
Yeah, Galyun, count up - it turned out that this was a coffin on suction cups at home, and in the store it was not visible
Song
Girls, we are all disappointed in our purchases from time to time, alas. Perhaps someone was more fortunate this time. But you will certainly be lucky, just do not behave like an offended child and "stomp your feet." Do not spoil the joy of owning the device to other members of the forum.
Antonovka
Song*,
Anyut, I fully support you
tany81
Quote: gala10
In a bowl of 5 or 6.5 liters, beat 1 egg ???
And who came up with the idea that this is an analogue of Kenwood ???
I decided for myself in this way, for me in terms of the function of a kneader, whipping, heating, meat grinder - these are similar functions of a Kenwood for a smaller amount. I'm not talking about quality now.
I'm not going to use it all the time to just beat 1 egg, but this may also be necessary, so this is important to me. Of all the techniques, I have an old brown multiquick and use it for everything I can. But how inconvenient it is to try to cook something with one hand, holding the child in the other and make sure that he doesn't shove his hands either. The thought arose - you need something stationary to spin without me, and I poured with only one hand. Oh, I saw something like this at Julia Vysotskaya when I was still watching TV a few years ago))) Yandex knows everything. Well, the promotion of the topic, reviews and so on began. And I got to this site, and here the sea is poured - a new world has opened))) it turned out that I want to work with dough, and finally find delicious pies and taste bread. Maybe I need a bread maker? Wait - what about homemade sausage?)) - you need a stationary mixer. Where to put all this? Then I found out about the cache, but something is expensive, and suddenly I don’t need all this, so I got to the clathronic bomans. Each has its own story.
Everything I write about is just my personal opinion, which may be different from yours
tany81
Oh, while I wrote, how many scribbled something)))
I have another question for the owners. My unit smells of plastic to me, it seems to have washed everything. When it kneads, I want to smell the smell, I open the loading door, and it smells like plastic. Well, I have a keen sense of smell, I can smell everything. Tell me, if someone had a smell, how long does it take or does it stay like that?
gala10
tany81, I did not notice any smell, although I usually feel it.
The smell of plastic, and quite strong, was once a multicooker. And then he disappeared.
Natalia K.
Quote: Haze
Is this device can only be praised ???
Zhen, well, you also praised this device when you first received it. You liked the way he whips the cocktail. You liked the way he kneaded the dough on the cake. Or am I wrong? But after all this, you put your gratitude that this device was called the "coffin".
Quote: Haze
And how I suddenly became an enemy, simply because I did not like the work of this unit ...
You have not become an enemy for anyone. Believe me, we treat you well and we treat you. And not only to you, but to all members of the forum. We are here like one big family, albeit a virtual one.
So, Zhenya, stay with us and do not invent.
Sergey_A
Quote: gala10
And who came up with the idea that this is an analogue of Kenwood ???
I came up with: this is an analogue of all kneaders!
By the way, what is Kenwood for someone the standard? This is an ordinary, well-known and expensive miser. And no more.
gala10
Sergei, have you already done anything in the new kneader? And how are your impressions?
Sergey_A
Quote: natalisha_31
Believe me, we treat you well, and we treat you.
And to your "pans" too.
Quote: gala10

Sergei, have you already done anything in the new kneader? And how are your impressions?
Hasn't changed - ndravitz!
gala10
Yes, we love our pots tenderly and reverently. And we do not give them offense.
Sergey_A
Quote: tany81
so it reached the clathronic Bomans. Each has its own story.
Yeah, the stories are different - and the "coast" is one - bomann-clathronic .... or kenwood
Sergey_A
Quote: natalisha_31
I will not argue. According to the instructions,
Quote: Okmuf
And after 5 minutes, this unit begins to rattle and warm up - this is at 1200 W of power, when the dough is kneaded at 600 grams. flour.
And I drive my 15-20min 1kg. And then again. This very coffin.And nothing, I'm satisfied. You can drive directly not only on a foreign car, but also on a tractor. It all depends on the driver.
Ukka
Girls and boys! Hello everyone!
I follow your topic as an outside observer. Why third-party - I won't need such volumes for the next few years. But these kneaders are quite worthy. I would like to ask the girl with the coffin - did she even hear the sound of the KM Kenwood engine? You need to understand that a significant amount of test requires a fairly powerful motor, you can't get away from this ...
I saw both Kenwood KM10 and the Klatronic dough mixer at work. It is not correct to compare them - one kitchen machine, which is bought in addition to kneading dough still for other purposes, second good kneader. Just a good kneader! I watched the work of Klatronic, I liked it!
Smoke, Zhenechka, do not be upset! I wish you to find a unit to your liking, so that it pleases you every day !!! And the girls in the subject are good, kind, I know this firsthand
But Sergei I somehow do not understand ... I seem to have bought, I like it ... Like it? Tell us what you like about the job and what you don't. And then, honestly, it seems like I didn't buy it, or I don't like it ... Just don't be offended, I beg you !!!
About pouring liquid first or pouring dry in a bread maker- I now have HP Panasonic, I must first add flour, then liquid. Before that, there were two HP with the principle - first liquid, then flour. The first had a jammed shaft, the second had to be left ... Now, having a basis for comparison, my opinion is that the flour-liquid principle is still more correct - the oil seal does not stick from the liquid, and the load on the shaft is less. But this is about bread makers ...
Sergey_A
Quote: Antonovka
it was found that it was a coffin on suction cups at home
This is a good machine! I am not special here and in the kitchen, I have owned a bomanny for less than a month, so I see no point in praising my 383, but I can’t say ANYTHING bad about it. And he even appreciated the suction cups: he kneads my dough - it already dangles, but does not crawl on the table. As for one egg, I don't even know whether he will beat it or not. I don’t want to know. Because I will never beat 1 egg in it - it's not difficult for me to do it with a whisk in my hand. It's even easier than getting a bomann, dragging, looking at an egg smeared on the walls of his large bowl, winding kilowatts, then disassembling, washing, drying and cleaning ...
Ukka
Quote: Sergey_A

Yeah, the stories are different - and the "coast" is one - bomann-clathronic .... or kenwood
And in fact it is! What other good mixer do we have on the market?
CM Kenwood is considered here as a kneader.
Sergey_A
Quote: Ukka
Like bought, like like ... Like it? Tell us what you like about the job and what you don't. And then, honestly, I didn't seem to buy it, or I don't seem to like it ...
: lol: And I thought he only like. And he wrote the words about it. Thank you for opening your eyes.
Quote: Ukka
Tell us what you like about the job and what you don't. And then, honestly, I didn't seem to buy it, or I don't seem to like it ...
There are already 20 pages of stories. Is it worth repeating good things? There is nothing bad to say except the volume. But the Kenwoods have this plus (after all, they do not knead silently ?!) and I tolerate it. All.
Quote: Ukka
me now hp Panasonic, you must first fill in flour, then liquid
1. This is usually done by hand kneading. 2. I do not see the convenience of being dispersed in a bowl of flour. 3. And further scraping flour from the walls. 4. The water-flour option in HP is clearer and closer to me and not vice versa (my opinion, I do not impose on anyone, since I myself do not know much).
Sergey_A
Quote: tany81
My unit smells like plastic to me
And I won't feel it in yours either. If, of course, I start sniffing at all.
Sergey_A
Quote: Ukka
What other good mixer do we have on the market?
Only the one that you like. And this is determined through the purchase.
I liked mine even before buying. And it doesn't disappoint.
Ukka
Sergey_A, worth repeating! Necessarily! After all, the topic is also read by those who want to buy a good kneader. And you need to write what and how it turns out, what do you see the specific advantages and disadvantages ... We ourselves first read someone's reviews, chose ...

Regarding hp - until you come across an oil seal, it's hard to understand ...

And I am very glad that you like your kneader !!!
Sergey_A
Quote: Ukka
worth repeating! Necessarily!
I repeated my "likes".
Quote: Ukka
We ourselves first read someone's reviews, chose ...
You had something to start with, you were the first. I can become the first only from the 20th page. And while many from 1 to 20 pages repeating.
Second, all of you in kitchens are more experienced than me, what can I teach you - how to plug the plug into the socket correctly ?! I am learning a lot here myself.
Quote: Ukka
until you come across an oil seal, it's hard to understand ...
I do not mind, I agree. But I would not want to collide, and on water (and not on c / s flour, salt, sugar) the gland should not be wiped.
Rituslya
Here I go again with my eggs.
This is one egg in a 6 liter bowl in 1.5 minutes
Bomann KM food processor-mixers
But these are 2 eggs in 1.5 minutes too.
Bomann KM food processor-mixers
What I want to say. I want to say that the result for me is more than. As it turns out, I measure everything with beaten eggs.
I had Boman, Boshik Mumik, and one Kenka, and today the second one. I am sooo happy with the last result. I will beat and drive this shaitan machine and one egg at a time. Result (y) But I really, really understand girls and boys with Boman. If the soul and heart have laid down on the aggregate, it will serve faithfully. And good, and healthy, and very wonderful!
And let Bomik serve faithfully for many, many years!
Sergey_A
Quote: Rituslya
And let Bomik serve faithfully for many, many years!
Mercibo is great !!! And all the best to you in beating one egg and finally a quick logical finish !!!
Antonovka
Sergey_A,
Seryozha, I have nothing against Boman. I generally have KitchenAid, and before that there was an unknown Italian brand, but a professional one. This is where the thunder was. But the minced meat for the sausage could be mixed a lot, the CA was much less.
It just sounded somehow ugly and offensive about Boman, as a car owner it reminded me of a show on the road - I have a cooler car, so now everyone on the road is obliged to me, but often the rights were given as a gift to the car For girls who have this dough mixer, it's a shame ... And I didn’t beat 1 egg on my Kitchen either - I’ll have to try. By the way, I also don't like CA in everything - it is possible that I am doing something wrong - when whipping a biscuit, sometimes either flour or a liquid egg remains on the bottom, but I will still learn))) In principle, friendship with biscuits does not work out for me )))

And let our technology bring us joy))) And the new technology is so interesting to "go around" and customize for yourself))

Oh, in fact, what I wanted to say - often we do not get friendship with gadgets because of our inability, that's all)))
Sergey_A
Quote: Antonovka
I generally have KitchenIde
My first dream! Until I read a review about Bomann. I like CA now. Externally. But expensive.
Quote: Antonovka
It just sounded somehow ugly and offensive about Boman.
And I didn't understand the desire to beat 1 egg in a healthy bowl. That's why I got into the conversation. natalisha_31 I said everything correctly, I agree with her in many ways. It is somehow out of place to discuss the kneader if you do not want to beat the protein with your hands in tech. 1.5 min. in a small cup.
Quote: Antonovka
And may our technology bring us joy
Aha! And it helps, makes life easier.
About "everything" - for sure!
Rituslya
Quote: Sergey_A
And I did not understand the desire to beat 1 egg in a healthy bowl.
for example, this is very clear to me. If we pay good money, then we have the right to demand results. Right?
Maybe there is a dough base from one whipped yolk? ... And why?
No. The declared functions should still work adequately.
Let the bowl be made some kind of narrow, let the rim also be lowered.
Here Natulya, one might say, tamed Bomik, but I just wanted to lie down on him with my chest to lower my head.
Antonovka
Rituslya,
Ritus, here I am about you and Natasha and Bomann every time I remember))) Confirmation of my words))))
PS: I also want 1 egg to be whipped - then I am not too lazy to shove a bowl into the PMM)))
Sergey_A
Quote: Rituslya
Right?
Right! In your dough mixer you can do everything, even knead the earth - he's yours. But why ask society why your whim is not being fulfilled and blame the apparatus that is regularly turning the air.
Quote: Rituslya
Let the bowl be made some kind of narrow, let the whisk be lowered too
Here I disagree with you. They were making a DOUGH mix and not a 1 egg beater. For this purpose, there are simpler devices. And not practical by big smear more 1!!! small an egg, or even 1 protein in general. I don't know how to explain this clearly.
Quote: Rituslya
dough base made from one beaten yolk
If such a dough (such a recipe - whipped yolk in the test!!!) exists - then forgive me, I did not know that.
Sergey_A
Quote: Antonovka
Then I’m not too lazy to shove a cup into the PMM
Will you also wash one teaspoon in the PMM?
Rituslya
Quote: Sergey_A
If such a dough (such a recipe is whipped yolk in the dough !!!) exists - then forgive me, I did not know that.
I didn't know that either, but now I will. I kind of just gave an example. Thank you very much for the emphasis in the text! Thank you!
Quote: Sergey_A
But why ask society why your whim is not fulfilled
and what a whim? Beat the egg so well that the whisk reaches a positive result? And this is a whim? ...
Oh, why not put a teaspoon in the PM, eh?
Antonovka
Sergey_A,
Taki my Teaspoons - this was the first thing that I bought additional to the existing cutlery)))
Sergey_A
Quote: Rituslya
Oh, why not put a teaspoon in the PM, eh?
And here it was necessary to highlight the main words ?! How to stick and wash in PMM 1 ask local old-timers for a teaspoon. I am young here, and therefore inexperienced, a beginner. And a small PMM for one I don't have a spoon.
Goodbye!!!
Rituslya
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Quote: Antonovka
Taki mine
It is not necessary, Lenus. Not necessary. It is necessary under the tap!
Sergey, in fact, I understand you in general, but in terms of action, no. Kohl bought a kneader, then let it knead from one yolk. And if not, then not a kneader at all.
Rituslya
Sergey_A, Oh please. All the best to you too, if you don't want to talk.
I will add more. We are all different. Some a slightly shaken egg is ideal, while others just need a hard-boiled one.
Everyone has their own ideas about mixing!
Sergey_A
Quote: Rituslya
Everyone has their own ideas about mixing!
Yes. Talk about one thing (kneading dough) and discuss something completely different (beating an egg). In this I can do nothing to help you, well, I do not have such abilities.
Rituslya
Sergey_A, All the best to you!
Sergey_A
Quote: Rituslya
if you don't want to talk
This is what I missed !!! I wish, I wish !!! Just speak in a personal, otherwise someone else will also want to talk to you. Talk more, talk more!
Rituslya
Sergey_A, All the best to you!

Already in the morning I finish writing, since Bomiks serve faithfully to someone, then it's great! Both cool and wonderful!
And I will put a teaspoon in the PMM anyway, like a glass of milk.
For several reasons, well, just out of habit.
Devuli and boys, all the best to you!
Natalia K.
Rituslya,
Ritus, I congratulate you on the new thing. It's so good that you finally got what you wanted. Right through the monitor, I feel your joy and delight from this unit.
Quote: Rituslya
I had Boman, Boshik Mumik, and one Kenka, and today the second one.
That's for what respect and respect to the person who had all the units in stock. But nowhere did Rita run about the topics of these devices and did not find fault with the technique. Well, she didn’t like Boman, didn’t fuse with Bosch and Kenwood # 1, but the man understood perfectly well that others liked this technique.
I never heard from her that it was a "coffin" with suction cups. In the end, Rita found the unit that she liked and she was very delighted with it. And rightly so, why offend the owners of a device that others like.

Quote: Antonovka
By the way, I also don't like CA in everything - it is possible that I am doing something wrong - when whipping a biscuit, sometimes either flour or a liquid egg remains on the bottom, but I will still learn))) In principle, friendship with biscuits does not work out for me )))
Len well, you write golden words.Why find fault with the technique in advance if you first need to figure it out. We live here for this, to understand and help each other. And I'm not friends with biscuits either. Especially if you need to bake it in the oven, but in MV it's so easy, everything works out.
Quote: Rituslya
Let the bowl be made some kind of narrow
Ritus, here I am of the same opinion. It was not even bad if they released an additional bowl. Let's say one is missing, I need a second cup. Since we already cannot imagine ourselves without our assistants, we want to do everything very quickly. And it so happens that after what you did in the bowl, you need to wash it and continue to work on.
I just recently kneaded the dough for bread, and then it was necessary to knead the minced meat for cutlets.
Of course, washing the bowl takes little time, but it still takes.
So this is what I mean. So I kneaded the dough into bread, take out the dough to transfer it to the MV and tell my husband. Damn, how I miss the second bowl, now while I was working with bread, the minced meat was kneaded in the second. My husband's answer killed me. He said, "Buy a second Boman and you will have a spare bowl." I say to him in response, "do you know how much it costs"? And he told me "well, this is such a cool car" That's how we talked about a spare bowl.

Quote: Rituslya
if Bomiks serve faithfully to someone, then it's great! Both cool and wonderful!
Thank you Ritus for such words. Let your Kenka, who was delivered to you yesterday, will not disappoint you
Natalia K.
Quote: Sergey_A
Just speak in a personal
In PM there is a message limit, no more than 7 messages per hour
Masinen
natalisha_31, Natashul, you can buy spare bowls and shovels in Germany on the website where I found you a shovel)

Don't worry, she just wrote a little roughly)
Well, neither she nor her mother-in-law liked the harvester.

The main thing is that everything is OK with you and you are all happy.
By the way, at the very beginning of my culinary activity, I also wanted to buy a kneader like yours)
I remember walking in circles around him in Selgross. He could be touched and twisted there.
Vaughn, Rita is selling her Ken)

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