Which bread maker to buy?

At first, everything did not work out for me in Panasonic either.

I'm actually going to bake "for the first time in my life", especially bread! So I want a stove that won't let you down.

Yes, after-sales service is a big, and often a decisive plus!
Well, I saw a telefunken in a selgross with two buckets and a massive lid, with solid power - and the menu - as if not in Turkish ... and where is the service?

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Brand's programmability is the most flexible
and with the largest range of useful and convenient settings for today,
which allows you to bake any bread.
There are, of course, a dozen basic programs up to a handful,
and the model itself is comparable in this only to Bork x800 for 14,500 rubles,
and even then in some places in the Brand settings, it is even more serious.
The rest of the models on the market just rest in this place.
and there is not much to compare with here, but with DEU it is simple and not decent.

I'm actually going to bake "for the first time in my life", especially bread! So I want a stove that won't let you down.

Take Panasonic SD 2501 and do not think programming is just a play around, most users do not need it. If you want bells and whistles and bread from the oven, take DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0

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Take the Panasonic SD 2501 and do not think that programming is playful for most users. If you want bells and whistles and bread from the oven take DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0

And buy more Poker for kneading rye dough from the side in this DeLonghi.

And to the wonderful Panasonic also Big tambourine dance
and remain regularly without bread (especially rye) when there is no time for dancing.
This person wants bake bread sourdough by the way.

DeLonghi EOB 2071 is designed for baking mainly on a big bag, but it can also be done with yeast and it bakes very well with rye and with a black crust on top, like in store bread. Pure rye bread can only be eaten by people without problems with the digestive tract. Maybe someone needs a poker, but not me

[sazalexter]

DeLonghi EOB 2071 is designed for baking mainly on a big bag, but it can also be done with yeast and it bakes very well with rye and with a black crust on top, like in store bread. Pure rye bread can only be eaten by people without problems with the digestive tract. Maybe someone needs a poker, but not me

sazalexter, I'm not talking about baking, but about kneading.
Whether rye or rye-wheat kneading, they all require help when kneading with a spatula.
Now tell us how you will have fun doing it without Kocherga in this DeLonghi, or better show.

Take Panasonic SD 2501 and do not think programming is just a play around, most users do not need it. If you want bells and whistles and bread from the oven, take DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0

Yes, I'm not particularly chasing bells and whistles, I just have a desire to have bread without quivering in sourdough in automatic mode, the brand is suitable for this, but what about the automation of adding additives? There is no dispenser! Of course, no doubt, I also almost bought a Panasonic, one of the most reliable stoves (or the only one), but at that time I did not know about its wired programs and the impossibility to do anything about it! And the option from the Delongee oven, cool Pts. interesting but probably not at all economical in terms of consumption. Email Energy?

[but I'm not particularly chasing bells and whistles]

: flowers: Yes sbut I'm not particularly chasing bells and whistles, I just want to have bread without yeast in sourdough in automatic mode, the brand is suitable for this, but what about the automation of adding additives? There is no dispenser! Of course, no doubt, I also almost bought a Panasonic, one of the most reliable stoves (or the only one), but at that time I did not know about its wired programs and the impossibility to do anything about it! And the option from the Delongee oven, cool Pts. interesting but probably not at all economical in terms of consumption. Email Energy?

What are the bells and whistles? A vital necessity when we write about Brand, Bork х800 and pastries without a tambourine in one process sourdough bread.
You write down the process step by step on a piece of paper and you will understand everything at once.
Well, or they will explain everything to you right away.

And the option from the Delongee oven, cool Pts. interesting but probably not at all economical in terms of consumption. Email Energy?

Not very economical 1400W

[NAT555]

NAT555 There is also the Zojirushi Breadmaker BB-CEC20 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=159825.0 at Scarecrows ask, she seems to bake with leavens This HP with a dispenser and is programmed almost on day

[NAT555]

NAT555 There is also the Zojirushi Breadmaker BB-CEC20 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=159825.0 at Scarecrows ask, she seems to bake with leavens Eta HP with a dispenser and is programmed for almost 7 hours

This model has only one defect when baking sourdough varieties,
it is practically absent in the local market.


The programmed cycle has the following ranges:

Temperature equalization (adjustable from - to) 1-30 minutes
Mixing 1-30min
first ascent 1min-24 hours (28 degrees)
second ascent 1 min-2 hours (28 degrees)
third ascent 1min-2 hours (38 degrees)
baking 1-70 minutes (3 types of crust are exposed, the temperature is therefore different from 254 to 290 F (143C),
for rye, the temperature is at the limit of the lower range for baking.
keeping hot up to 60 minutes
Any of the stages can be disabled (choose OFF)

The rest is good.

[(143C),for rye, the temperature is at the limit of the lower range for baking.]

This model has only one defect when baking sourdough varieties,
it is practically absent in the local market.


The programmed cycle has the following ranges:

Temperature equalization (adjustable from - to) 1-30 minutes
Mixing 1-30min
first ascent 1min-24 hours (28 degrees)
second ascent 1 min-2 hours (28 degrees)
third ascent 1min-2 hours (38 degrees)
baking 1-70 minutes (3 types of crust are exposed, the temperature is therefore different from 254 to 290 F (143C),
for rye, the temperature is at the limit of the lower range for baking.
keeping hot up to 60 minutes
Any of the stages can be disabled (choose OFF)

Yes, a smart stove, I will probably take it, so I'll go for more zozhirushi I'll look for Ibei

Oh, I seem to have confused the baking mode in the previous post by Vanya28 - I thought it was about the brand!

[NAT555]

NAT555 There is also the Zojirushi Breadmaker BB-CEC20 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=159825.0 at Scarecrows ask, she seems to bake with leavens This HP with a dispenser and is programmed almost on day

Well, yes, Masha is good, but not ours - but service?

Oh, I seem to have confused the baking mode in the previous post by Vanya28 - I thought it was about the brand!

Brand has 4 hours and 30 minutes maximum ascent without a hike.

Until 8 o'clock, you can depict a rise in the brand - this is first put on the dough - 30 minutes kneading, an hour rise. Then in manual 420 minutes of one proofing can be hammered. Total - 8 hours.

Until 8 o'clock, you can depict a rise in the brand - this is first put on the dough - 30 minutes kneading, an hour rise. Then in manual 420 minutes of one proofing can be hammered. Total - 8 hours.

How many hours will it take for an almost completely rye sourdough bread?

It all depends on the maturity and strength of the leaven.
About sourdough - have you already grown it and baked bread on it?

Thank Vanya28 But I want to warn you about this store:
I made an order in this store, called back, and announced - the cost of the order + 10% of the cost of the oven + payment for the courier in Moscow + payment for the transport company, looked at the reviews on Yandex and a couple of other sites - something half negative and besides, just read the answers of the administration store! I will order elsewhere.
Sorry for the off top

It all depends on the maturity and strength of the leaven.
About sourdough - have you already grown it and baked bread on it?

I grew it by someone else's hands. I’ve just read so much about her here and it seems to me that I, as it were, grew her!

[270 minutes (4.5 hours)]

Until 8 o'clock, you can depict a rise in the brand - this is first put on the dough - 30 minutes kneading, an hour rise. Then in manual 420 minutes of one proofing can be hammered. Total - 8 hours.

Someone with arithmetic?


On the manual, three lifts for 90 minutes, plus a rest of 30 minutes + 60 minutes of heating = 360 minutes with perversions.
Add dances with a tambourine - 60 minutes on Dough mode - total = 420 minutes (7 hours).
This is if you do not get dirty and do not take out the scapula.
Although if you continue to perverted, then the ascent time will become unlimited.

But there is no idea in this!

Without perversion, we have 270 minutes (4.5 hours) raising the dough, which is sufficient with normal leaven.

By the way, on the multicooker they answered about the unit oven and the phrase in its description about 47 program combinations:

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By the way, on the multicooker they answered about the unit oven and the phrase in its description about 47 program combinations:

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Well, it was clear right away, it's a pity that you didn't think it.
All these third-rate firms do nothing themselves, they just sell with their tags.


Take a look at Yandex Market and see a sea of ​​identical stoves with different tags, a copy of yours, I hope not the chosen one.

Write if anything else dawns!

Well, it was clear right away, it's a pity that you didn't think it.

I just wanted to find at least a small loophole in the programs of the stove - what if someone has ... But this question has already been removed.

[270 minutes (4.5 hours)]

Someone with arithmetic?


On the manual, three lifts for 90 minutes, plus a rest of 30 minutes + 60 minutes of heating = 360 minutes with perversions.
Add dances with a tambourine - 60 minutes on Dough mode - total = 420 minutes (7 hours).
This is if you do not get dirty and do not take out the scapula.
Although if you continue to perverted, then the ascent time will become unlimited.

But there is no idea in this!

Without perversion, we have 270 minutes (4.5 hours) raising the dough, which is sufficient with normal leaven.

Not just arithmetic, but even higher mathematics, everything is OK! Plus, the real experience of operating the brand bread machine since November 2011, and not just by sight.

And what about the brand's bucket coating? I have a year of cartoon Panas and the coating was scratched after 3 months, I bought a bowl from NEC (Tomsk company) and it was scratched for 1 month from soup with meat on ribs

I was saved only by cuckoos with extra. stainless steel pans become.

And what about the brand's bucket coating? I have a year of cartoon Panas and the coating was scratched after 3 months, I bought a bowl from NEC (Tomsk company) and it was scratched for 1 month from soup with meat on ribs

I was saved only by cuckoos with extra. stainless steel pans become.

There is no ideal. Something will have to shrink.

Not just arithmetic, but even higher mathematics, everything is OK! Plus, the real experience of operating the brand bread machine since November 2011, and not just by sight.

Aha!
Well, it's still not bad to confirm this demarche with the application of tables, programs and other delights from Brand!
Or not write inaccuracies here!
For example, ascent with Bubeshka and Poddantsovka for 270 minutes and a long, long time without a break!
Time will simply freeze from this!
Great idea and math!
Well what else can I say!
It happens!

I wonder if there are induction stoves at all (in other countries)? It's very convenient! Does anyone know any other hp, I saw hp with a dispenser on the jmarket in Korea, but I could only guess about the programs

I wonder if there are induction stoves at all (in other countries)? It's very convenient! Does anyone know any other hp, I saw hp with a dispenser on the jmarket in Korea, but I could only guess about the programs

There are no bread makers.
There are multicooker, stove, microwave.
But what's the idea then?
The main idea in the bread maker is not to get dirty.
Shabby buckets last for years.

And why a dispenser?
Describe the application, where without it, well, nothing.
Can't you write it?
We are waiting, sir!

It's a pity .. There are also models programmed there, they have?

[Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.]

It's a pity .. There are also models programmed there, they have?

Programmable and we are more than a dozen.

Read for example here -
Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.

There are no bread makers.
There are multicooker, stove, microwave.
But what's the idea then?
The main idea in the bread maker is not to get dirty.
Shabby buckets last for years.

And why a dispenser?
Describe the application, where without it, well, nothing.
Can't you write it?
We are waiting, sir!

About the dispenser - I love bread with additives and I want to put everything in at once and sleep peacefully.

About the dispenser - I love bread with additives and I want to put everything in at once and sleep peacefully.

This is not an answer!
Describe why your recipes will not work in the vending machine without a dispenser!



There is a cool Bork for 14,500 rubles. with a dispenser and a decent bucket.
An analogue in terms of capabilities to Brand.
At night, however, dispensers for all models work loudly.
How are you sleeping? With loved ones?

And use your real favorite recipes, not hypothetical ones, and then the choice will go faster.
Announce the entire list please !!!

[Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.]

Programmable and we are more than a dozen.

Read for example here -
Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.

2 Vanya28
Great bread!
I have read Temka more than once, but stoves such as binaton, kenwood are not entirely programmable, they have big limitations!
But what about the DeLonghi BDM-125S and Daewoo DI-9154, they are programmable and I found them (with difficulty) in the store!

2 Vanya28
Great bread!
I have read Temka more than once, but stoves such as binaton, kenwood are not entirely programmable, they have big limitations!
But what about the DeLonghi BDM-125S and Daewoo DI-9154, they are programmable and I found them (with difficulty) in the store!

Yes, programmable.
The question is how?
There are, for most, attached tables with programmability for comparison.
There are actually not many restrictions.
Or just practically not, as, for example, in the Kenwood 450.
This is not where you start.
Start with bread, the oven will ride under it!

This is not an answer!
Describe why your recipes in the vending machine will not work without a dispenser!


There is a cool Bork for 14,500 rubles. with a dispenser and a decent bucket.
An analogue in terms of capabilities to Brand.

And use your real favorite recipes, not hypothetical ones, and then the choice will go faster.
Announce the entire list please !!!

I have never baked yet at all, so I am looking for a stove that will bake everything! But the main reason why I will buy HP is sourdough bread! And about the dispenser, well, I suppose that without it, you will have to pour everything yourself, and even after the oven squeak in the night or do without additives.
Hope one of my real favorite recipes becomes your rye!
Yes, bork is a wonderful stove, but I don't like to pay for "air"

I have never baked yet at all, so I am looking for a stove that will bake everything! But the main reason why I will buy HP is sourdough bread! And about the dispenser, well, I suppose that without itrush to pour everything myself, and even after the squeak of the oven in the night or do without additives.
Hope one of my real favorite recipes becomes your rye!
Yes, bork is a wonderful stove, but I don't like paying for "air"

Bork x800 is not air.
This is Breville, a very serious manufacturer and this is not just a Breville with a Bork sticker, this is a flagship model.
And Bork's very successful decision to stick his own label on it.
The price is really not happy.

Almost all additives can be added immediately with flour.

For your tasks, only two models are fully suitable and a few more with reservations.

Bork x800 is not air.
This is Breville, a very serious manufacturer and this is not just a Breville with a Bork sticker, this is a flagship model.
And Bork's very successful decision to stick his own label on it.
The price is really not happy.

Yes, the price is sad .. I still need to bring an airrobot, otherwise who will clean the bread crumbs?
Does Bork 800 really deserve the 15,000?

[Does Bork 800 really deserve the 15,000]

: family: Yes, the price is sad .. I still need to bring an aerobot, otherwise who will clean up the bread crumbs?
Does Bork 800 really deserve the 15,000 ?

No. But very good.
Brand is a smart alternative. Well, it makes louder noise, not so elegant, but it works, it works.
I don't like it, not Panasonic or Bork x800, but quite a workhorse, believe me.
Brand also pursues a reasonable policy of technical support, if they continue to behave this way, they will do many by biting off a piece of the market.

I apologize, I write from the tablet and often come out some kind of bloopers, glitches with pressing, some other letters ..
Bork looked at their website - a beautiful stove, but for some reason I have a persistent prejudice towards Bork .. and similar <exclusives> Even the brand name is somehow unpleasant - bork hog but it's a big IMHO! no offense to the owners of this brand!

I apologize, I write from the tablet and often come out some kind of bloopers, glitches with pressing, some other letters ..
Bork looked at their website - a beautiful stove, but for some reason I have a persistent prejudice towards the Bork company .. and similar <exclusives>

Yes, Bork has such an indecency in stainless steel, these are two 500 models, which one-to-one from competitors are two times cheaper.
But 800 is their dear luck.

Yes, Bork has such shit in stainless steel, these are two 500 models, which one to one from competitors are half the price.
But 800 is their dear luck.

What is their such luck?
1 programming
2
3
?

What is their such luck?
1 programming
2
3
?

Clear. You just don't know the question. You have to read.

Clear. You just don't know the question. You have to read.

The topic about bork800 on the forum starts as something aggressive and I can't find any real information. I will read on. Why do you respect this model?

Here is a bit from user bork

Of the advantages: - 9 programmable recipes - you can turn off the sound (I have a small child), although the sound of the dispenser does not turn off - simpotishny - very easy to wash (I assume this applies to all HP) and the bread falls out without problems, as well as a small hole in loaf (the spatula folds before baking) - a backlit window (I repeat: the stove is the first, so while it's curious to stick your nose there) - the menu is intuitive to me personally, but not Russified

Of the minuses, so far, it has been noticed that traces of opals remain on the case very well

Here is a bit from user bork

Of the advantages: - 9 programmable recipes - you can turn off the sound (I have a small child), although the sound of the dispenser does not turn off - simpotishny - very easy to wash (I assume this applies to all HP) and the bread falls out without problems, as well as a small hole in loaf (the spatula folds before baking) - a backlit window (I repeat: the stove is the first, so while it's curious to stick your nose there) - the menu is intuitive to me personally, but not Russified

Of the minuses, so far, it has been noticed that traces of opals remain on the case very well

Everything is correct, but the stove is made up of not only this.
Different quality of materials, performance, well, etc.
In terms of quality in the first group, today only Panasonic and Bork with their only latest model.
This does not mean that other stoves do not work and are bad.
No, they work too.
It's like Mesedes and a simpler machine.
More or less like this.
The agony of choice is difficult.
Very often I advise you to choose based on some message -
for example, price, local market, service, or specific task.
You need to decide, then the conversation will turn on the right track.

Everything is correct, but the stove is made up of not only this.
Different quality of materials, performance, well, etc.
In terms of quality in the first group, today only Panasonic and Bork with their only latest model.
This does not mean that other stoves do not work and are bad.
No, they work too.
It's like Mesedes and a simpler machine.
More or less like this.
The agony of choice is difficult.
Very often I advise you to choose based on some message -
for example, price, local market, service, or specific task.
You need to decide, then the conversation will turn on the right track.

The most important desire is to bake sourdough bread on the machine, because I know a horror story about thermophilic yeast, I don’t want to eat it, well, sourdough bread of a special taste, I know because my grandmother baked something similar to the old dough, the same sourdough and without term. yeast. Without HP, I will not bake with or without yeast. It turns out there are 2 hp, as you said earlier, this is bork 800 and a brand, but the bucket in the brand bucket confuses me very much, I don’t want to have troubles just starting to bake, I don’t like the company.

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The most important desire is to bake sourdough bread on the machine, because I know a horror story about thermophilic yeast, I don’t want to eat it, well, sourdough bread of a special taste, I know because my grandmother baked something similar to the old dough, the same sourdough and without term. yeast. Without HP, I will not bake with or without yeast. It turns out there are 2 hp, as you said earlier, this is bork 800 and a brand, but the bucket in the brand bucket confuses me very much, I don’t want to have troubles just starting to bake, I don’t like the company.

With little dances, a sea of ​​HPs that do.
You shouldn't be sad about Brand's bucket.
This is primarily a consumable, but it will work for a long time.
The topic of yeast and leaven is funny.
There is a great solution - compressed yeast.

The thought of leaven is a great thought.
And all the peculiarity of bread on sustained sourdough,
her whole idea, with any leaven,
it's yeast poop,
which accumulate there and are very useful,
change the crumb and taste, you need to understand that.