Household Grain Grinder

[Sveta]

Sveta
Thank you! A couple more questions, if I may ... Is the wheat on the kutya dark brown? Or regular?
I was offered wheat at the market, but the seller honestly warned that the shell that gives the bran was peeled off from the grain. Will flour made from such a grain be considered whole grain?

I wash the grain and soak it overnight (wheat and rye), dry it with a towel, and lay it out in the sun to dry. Everything dries and grinds perfectly.

Wheat on kutya is light brown, it is partially peeled. But from the flour that turns out, it is clearly visible that there is bran there (it looks like a mixture of premium flour with bran). I also tried completely unpeeled wheat, but it is very dirty (in the sense, there are a lot of foreign impurities) - it takes a long time to clean. Wash the grain? Well, I don’t know, I don’t do that. Lena, try the wheat for the kuti first. And then, if you're not satisfied with that, buy unrefined.

[UmSabir]

UmSabir
Why do you soak? Do you pour a lot of water or slightly moisten it? Do you know if the grain does not germinate, this means that it is of poor quality? Or is it not important for getting flour?
Sveta
Thanks for the answer! I read that all "synthetics" are added to the BC flour for enrichment and I decided that there are scales on the grain or not, all the same, homemade flour from it is more useful

Lena, I read somewhere that when soaking, harmful phytic acid comes out of the grain (or something like that, I can confuse the name). And during the night, the grain usually begins to germinate. I pour water to cover all the grain.

Does anyone use a Bosch or Krups burr grinder? If yes, please share your impressions.

[Olya]

Does anyone use a Bosch or Krups burr grinder? If yes, please share your impressions.

Olya, I have had a Bosch burr grinder for several years. I only use it for coffee beans. Pros: very convenient and compact shape. Can be taken with one hand. Takes up a minimum of space on the shelf. Large container for storing coffee beans - 250 g.
Cons: coffee of cheaper varieties does not grind well due to the greasy coating on the beans. You have to shake them while grinding.

[Yana]

Yana, Thanks for the quick response. Have you tried grinding flour on your coffee grinder? For example, from wheat? Or is it impossible to do this on such coffee grinders?

No, I have not tried flour and I will not. I think these grinders are for coffee only.
In my book on baking, it says that grain mills are divided according to the products that will be ground in them.
Steel or ceramic mills grind grain, oily seeds (poppy seeds, etc.) and dry spices.
Mills made of granite or combined with natural and artificial stone are intended exclusively for cereals.
It also says that if you do not need more than half a kilogram of flour per day, then it is better to equip your food processor with a grain grinding attachment.

Yesterday I bought a mill-attachment for my Kitchen Aid.

Now I am concerned with finding grain. We sell oats directly in stores, but you need to look for wheat and rye ...

I read that whole grain flour is stored for less than a month (maybe two or three weeks) after which the germ oil goes rancid. Because of this, it is almost never sold in stores. As far as I understand, it is possible to determine how "natural" flour is by its shelf life. And if it is stored for six months, then the embryo there must be removed as in ordinary premium flour, but the content of the coarse shell is higher, which makes its grade lower. However, it is impossible to call such flour fully whole grain.Maybe I didn't understand something? Who knows - explain, if it's easy ...

Today I ground oats and barley (100 grams) and poured it all into bread. Ground at different degrees of grinding (from coarse bran to fine flour). I'll see what comes of it ...

None of this came of it. The outsole is flat. As expected, oats and barley are gluten-free.

I also get a flat sole, although the flour is from wheat.
I grind in a Bosch mill, flour from the market, not my grain, I dry the flour slightly, but bread with yeast does not rise at all, it turns out to be very tough and not tasty.
I absolutely do not understand what I am doing wrong.
I don't want to add purchased flour.
Help me figure out what's wrong?

Please tell me ... And be sure if the coffee grinder is a millstone ... ?? ... Normal will not work ?? ... or is it too coarse? ...

The grinding is coarse and it is impossible to regulate it like in a millstone. and it will be covered with you quickly, if you use it as a mill. not for cow-makers such straps!

You know, I don't think there really is a problem with rye flour! When I bought a bread maker, I also began to pay attention in stores and did not see anything suitable. Once I found it in the supermarket and that's it. Well, I think it's not destiny ... It can be seen that the town is small, we don't have rye on sale anywhere.
On the dog playground, I got into a conversation with dog owners who own huge dogs like mine about feeding. the dog owners say: but we call the wholesale base and if there are cheap cereals, then we go and buy a lot at once. They gave phones of wholesalers. Well, I called, asked about the chaff-wheat and, having received an affirmative answer, just in case I was interested in rye flour. THERE IS!!! Moreover. in packing of 2 kg (paper bags), 5 kg and 20 kg in bags. Where do they sell it, to whom, remains a mystery to me. After all, I have not seen it anywhere, although I was looking for it !!!! Now no problem - I call 2-3 grocery stores and be sure to eat somewhere!
Try to search in this way, I advise !!!

Please answer, does anyone bake from their own flour?
Judging by this topic, people grind their own flour, I would like to know what kind of bread is obtained. Please share your experience!

Narada, I grind grain (wheat, buckwheat, rye) on a millstone coffee grinder (attachment to a Russian-made GAMMA 7 combine). Here I wrote about him today https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&action=post;topic=1007.45
Melet not into dust, I put 100-200 g of ground flour on 400 g w / s, it turns out a gray bread. Brown's coffee grinders are dying for me (((I have already ruined 2 pieces, the last one in 2 weeks, and I did not grind whole grains, but grains after GAMMA

I grind and bake bread in HP (French recipe) with a millstone mill. I halve the 400g required for the recipe into 200g of BC flour and 200g of whole grain flour. It turns out a wonderful bread with a lot of bran, therefore "pockmarked" on the cut. Tasty and healthy. I bake on the dietary mode. I have not tried making whole grain bread yet.

When buying wheat, I recommend paying attention to the following aspects:
1. Grain with gluten> = 23 is used for baking
With lower gluten fodder adequacy.
That is, the higher the gluten content, the better the grain (flour) and, accordingly, more expensive.
This is according to GOST. But in reality, wheat with gluten 18-20 is also used for bread.
2. There is a special apparatus for determining the gluten content (it is used in quality laboratories at KhPP and flour mills). But when buying wheat, we can also roughly estimate whether it is good. Let's see the grain in the light or cut it in half with a sharp knife, if a little light passes through the grain or the cut looks like glass, then this is the so-called "glassy" appearance with gluten 30-40% (the more glassy, ​​the better), which is very good. The more opaque the grain or the mealy cut, then this is 15-20% of the carcass.
Happy shopping to you dear bakers.

This is the attachment for the "burr mill" harvester

I wrote more about it here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=10278.0

[UmSabir]

Narada, I grind grain (wheat, buckwheat, rye) on a millstone coffee grinder (attachment to a Russian-made GAMMA 7 combine). Here I wrote about him today https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ic=1007.45;num_replies=49
Melet not into dust, I put 100-200 g of ground flour on 400 g w / s, it turns out a gray bread. Brown's coffee grinders are dying for me (((I have already ruined 2 pieces, the last one in 2 weeks, and I did not grind whole grains, but grits after GAMMA

UmSabir Please tell me in the millstone coffee grinder what the millstones are made of, stone or iron, otherwise it is not visible in the photo. And this harvester, in configuration 1, has a dough sheeter, have you already used it? And how does it roll?

I have such a mill with metal millstones. Grinding is slow and tedious - it does not grind into flour immediately, it is necessary to drive it 2-3 times with intermediate sifting. I would not recommend buying specially for grinding flour.

I also get a flat sole, although the flour is from wheat.
I grind in a Bosch mill, flour from the market, not my grain, I dry the flour slightly, but bread with yeast does not rise at all, it turns out to be very tough and not tasty.
I absolutely do not understand what I am doing wrong.
I don't want to add purchased flour.
Help me figure out what's wrong?

maybe, of course, your grain is unsuccessful, but I noticed that the finer the grinding of the grain, the worse the dough rises.

While baking from coarse flour, from under a roller mill with a gap of 0.5 mm, there were no problems. Once I decided to improve the grind by finishing the coarse flour to fine flour on a coffee grinder - the bread turned out to be heavy and I don’t do it like that anymore.

Maybe I'm not entirely on the topic, but I want to ask you for advice, tell me which pepper mill to buy: automatic, battery-operated or manual, and is it a necessary thing, that is, does it pray well?

So I decided to write about the mills ...

My wife often bakes all sorts of goodies, and makes homemade bread.
And all this time she demanded from me a miraculous mill-spit, preferably a hand-made, solid one, so that you could grind grain, buckwheat, rice, peas, corn, sugar, sea salt and of course dried bird cherry! I wanted the coarseness of the grinding to be regulated so that flour and cereal were obtained.

I searched the entire Internet, found nothing suitable, well, there are no good-quality home mills in Russia.

In short, I decided to do it myself, now I already have drawings, I will soon start work
The millstones will be the most labor-intensive, for high-quality grinding they have a very complex geometry, while they must be made of strong steel, hardened and tempered so that there is a high surface hardness!
Millstones will be made by lost wax casting. First, I will make wax models of a set of millstones (movable and fixed), then the models will be immersed in a ceramic solution, they will be dried, then the wax will be melted out and the molds will be burned, and then molten steel will be poured.
I want to make a millstone on a shaft with two bearings, so that the mill will work forever
It will also be necessary to make a body with a receiving hopper.

So far, I have posted 3D drawings of mills in my photo album, one with a vertical layout, the other with a horizontal one.
Along the way, I'll post a photo of what happens.
If anyone likes it, write right away, maybe I can do it later for you

Alexander

This hand mill has moved to a new location,
and became even cheaper than before.

The more we sell, the more attractive the price.

Our task at the exhibition in Moscow is precisely to find representatives in Russia, and not to come once and sell three mills.

As I already answered in the PM, unfortunately German factories do not work without prepayment. They do not work with a prepayment even in Germany, and even more so in Russia. Until recently, many manufacturers refused to work with Russia at all, did not agree to work even on prepayment.
Buying in a Russian online store can also quickly run into dishonest sellers.The owners of many online stores have to prove the purity of their intentions.

Of course, I understand all those who are afraid to buy on a prepaid basis. I myself am like that, you buy something in a German shop and you are afraid whether the goods will come or not. Based on our experience and feelings that you experience when you buy a thing, we try to ensure the most comfortable order processing. We provide Russian-language support both during the purchase and after the conclusion of the transaction (tracking the parcel and questions about operation).
Confirming our impeccable reputation, we give the buyer the opportunity to pay for the order using the secure payment system Paypal. There you can pay for your order even by credit card.

Our site and shop of home mills is located in Russia, and not on unknown overseas islands and we have been working for more than 3 years. Several dozen orders are processed almost every day, and if we were scammers, take our word for it, they would have covered us long ago.

paipal
And you gray explain to me how a hand mill for grain differs from a coffee grinder ??? The last one grinds into flour ?? Or am I missing something?

I've ground wheat in Thermomix, so I didn't like bread made from such flour - and it rises poorly and very rough, so to speak, not for all stomachs. And I watched the program "Galileo", so they told how much to do to get normal flour. It is almost impossible to do this at home!

Of course, I understand that reading all 13 pages of this topic is not a hunt, but just at the very beginning the question was raised (two or three years ago) that coffee grinders cannot cope with grain and often fail.
And then I swam onto the stage and enlightened me that why bother myself and torment the coffee grinder, when they had long ago invented various flour grinders with millstones made of a special alloy.
From time immemorial, flour has been ground between two stones and until today nothing has changed.
It's just that in our time (more than 20 years ago) a home mill was invented.

In a coffee grinder, the grain is crushed, and in a flour grinder it is ground, respectively, the quality and benefits.

You are absolutely right that flour from a home mill will not work the same as from a store.
After grinding, the store is passed through many sieves and freed from the shell. At home, this is very, very difficult to achieve.

In our case, we are talking about the so-called whole grain flour. Everything useful that the grain has is ground and remains in the flour. Flour turns out to be 2 varieties, and bread from such flour is gray. Our grandmothers baked bread from a similar flour in a Russian oven. A lot has already been said about flour on the forum and there is a little information on our website.

As for what goes up badly, this is such a moment. You just have to get the hang of working with freshly ground flour, pick up yeast and proportions. It's not a secret for anyone that the dough will turn out or not even depends on the company that made this yeast.
Our bread turns out to be awesome, but at first we had to experiment a lot.
A little advice: the dough will fit better if you put not freshly ground flour in the dough, but flour that has stood for several days and saturated with oxygen, some call this - let the flour ripen.

A little advice: the dough will fit better if you put not freshly ground flour in the dough, but flour that has stood for several days and saturated with oxygen, some call this - let the flour ripen.

+1

I've ground wheat in Thermomix, so I didn't like bread made from such flour - and it rises poorly and very rough, so to speak, not for all stomachs.

In what ratio was it taken to the total amount of flour?

If you take too much flour of such a coarse grinding, do not let it stand for a day, then the bread will not be very good.

Today you can buy in Russia a good harvester with attachments for crushing cereals - it will cost the same or even slightly cheaper than the proposed samples
See the topic Combines

In what ratio was it taken to the total amount of flour?

If you take too much flour of such a coarse grinding, do not let it stand for a day, then the bread will not be very good.

Stand for a day Do you mean - grind and leave for a day? This is the first time I hear about it. Made according to recipes for Thermomix. For example, 300g. wheat grains - 150g. wheat flour, but there is generally unrealistic: 600g of wheat-100g of flour.

Vladislav-Podolsk Have you read the product description carefully?

A grain grinder (grain crusher) or as it is also called a "crusher or mini mill" is designed to produce high-quality feed meal from grain material for the preparation of animal feed and poultry ......

.... and so on in the same style ...

The product is undeniably good, but for what purpose? Have you noticed the speed of rotation of the millstones and the productivity of flour? Put the wheels there and get a super vehicle for getting around the apartment.

This topic is about household grinder-grinder for home use.

Stand for a day Do you mean - grind and leave for a day?

Yes exactly. On cooking there is a topic where they bake according to the recipes of famous bakers - that's where it flashed, and somewhere else I came across such information.

Made according to recipes for Thermomix. For example, 300g. wheat grains - 150g. wheat flour, but there is generally unrealistic: 600g of wheat-100g of flour.

You took it turns out 2/3
Try 1/2, you don't like it - then reduce it still.

Personally, 1/5 - 1/4 suits me

I have a mill like this: Billy 100

The flour is fine and slightly grayish due to the grain shell. For almost a year now we have been baking bread only from our own sourdough flour. At first, it took a long time to select the ratio of ingredients for the dough. Dough lasts longer with whole grain flour. Now the bread is excellent. Rough, but that's what we need.

On a coarse grind, we make cereals. It needs to be sieved. It turns out both a large fraction and a small one.

We buy grain in the usual rural market. I carefully sift from excess debris. Not mine. The instructions for the mill say that you cannot grind wet grain.

Very satisfied.

Announcement!
On the forum, in the section "Manufacturers and Trading Houses", a section dedicated to mills and grain mills from BREAD grinders has appeared.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ption=com_smf&board=548.0

They will help you choose a mill and answer all your questions on the topic.

I also wondered which mill to buy (I had no doubt about what to buy) and where. Looked at the sites of the flour mill. ru, bread-makers - it is clear that intermediaries. I found a store in Germany using the links, there were promotions just before the new year, I ordered the Fidibus Medium mill, because it just had a discount of more than 30 euros. This online store sends out to all countries of the world, and deducts VAT when sent abroad. When paying via PayPal there is also a 3% discount. Bottom line: the mill together with the shipment cost me 228 euros instead of 278. And, of course, I had to wait, because Christmas, New Year, etc. In principle, I did not have a particular preference for the model of this particular manufacturer, others are not worse. it is, unfortunately, only in German, but everything is clear with the translator even with such a translation. I don’t advertise for this store, but why should I overpay for the fact that someone simply forwards your order to the same store?

The aforementioned stores in Russia are not intermediaries, but representatives. They are listed on the manufacturer's website. Do not forget that you can get a guarantee and service only from representatives! In addition, there you can get professional advice in Russian.

Well yes, yes, representatives. So you're saying that a 12-year manufacturer's warranty is nothing compared to a generous 6-year warranty for the same mill as the grinder points out. ru, for example? Or is it a qualified translation into Russian? And in which section does it say about service? Specify pliz. And at the same time, tell us how it is carried out.Personally, I don't quite understand what to serve there. A motor - it is a motor in Africa too, if the millstones are worn out or broken, you still have to buy from the supplier. And it's easier for me to send a broken device to Germany than to Moscow. As for a qualified consultation in Russian, there is such a thing, the Internet is called. A lot of people write, answer all kinds of questions, both in Russia and abroad. Moreover, people professionally dealing with this issue. Including the team of the online store, which I named in the previous post. By the way, it is very persistently repeated there that when sending abroad to countries outside the European Union, 19% VAT is deducted from the cost of goods and the cost of shipping. So, we consider: the CoMo mill Fidibus Medium - 239 euros, postage 39 euros, minus 19% VAT, it turns out 234.42 euros, a 3% discount is still deducted from this amount when paying through PayPal, which is 6.03 euros, for a total of 228 , 38 euros. Sending by DHL, after the border - EMC. But if at a flour mill. The prices are the same (with VAT) as for the manufacturer, for bread makers and at a flour mill. rf in general some kind of extremists. I shared my experience, if it is useful to someone - well, it is not useful - I will survive. Everyone earns in their own way, but common sense advises buying from a supplier.

[Natalia5]

Natalia5, but tell me, please, how many days did the mill travel to you from Germany?

I sent the order and paid via paypal on November 30, on the same day they sent the mill to the post office, on December 1 the parcel left Germany. Then there was silence for a long time until a message appeared on the Russian post office. Then the holidays, in general, I received it only on January 6. But the reason for the delay, in my opinion, was this: according to the manufacturer's documents, the mill weighs 7.0 kg, the weight of 7.5 was indicated on the box with the shipment, and the weight was determined at customs as 8.2. Naturally, this aroused suspicion and until the parcel was carefully checked (with the dogs, probably), it took a certain time. They brought it directly to your home, because when you order you pay for EMC delivery. I think that the reason for this difference in weight is that they have one packing box for 4-5 models of similar design, which differ in height and weight. To prevent the mill from dangling, they put thick cardboard pads on top and bottom, maybe their weight is not taken into account, maybe the cardboard has gained moisture along the way. In general, we checked. But the mill has arrived perfectly, it works. I am happy with the purchase. If you do not order during our and their terrible holidays, then it will take 3 weeks. There are also attachments in the box: two instructions for the user, a letter confirming your payment and purchase registration number, and 2 copies of this letter. This letter must be kept in the envelope, since it is in some way a warranty card, without it you cannot send the mill for repair or replacement in case of breakdown. The warranty, as I already wrote, is 12 years.

[Natalia5]

I also got my mill. I ordered it on WWW / getreidemuehlen.de. Mill Hawos Novum Blau. The cost on the day of purchase, including delivery, is 217 euros. She drove to me for 3.5 weeks, and just as she writes Natalia5 it was thrown out of Germany in a little more than a day, where it hung out for another 20 days and remained a mystery to me.
As received - immediately tested. It works quite quickly, but I can't say that it threshes finely. It turns out a bit coarse, I counted on a finer grind. Bread from 100% freshly ground wheat grain turned out as if with pieces of wheat porridge, although it rose well and tasted good.

And you try to grind in different modes, there is also an adjustment. The handle is on the right side of your model. And the dots indicate the degree of grind, from smallest to largest. The mills are all arranged according to the same principle - the smaller the gap between the millstones, the finer the grinding. Mine, for example, can be screwed up to the point that the millstones completely close and will not grind. And you can make it so that the grain is crushed into cereals, and not into flour. In general, learn materiel. And do not lose the color letter sent to you in an envelope with the details of your order, this is a warranty card, without which you cannot return or send the mill for repair. I slowly experiment, I came to the conclusion that a very fine grind for whole grain bread is also not very good, you should feel small grains, such as a quarter of a semolina in size. And the bread is tastier and more aromatic if you put it overnight with a timer in a bread maker (I have a Bork). I made flour from winter wheat (it is darker and more aromatic) and from the garnets. Garnovka flour is, in fact, the same semolina.

Oh, I didn't immediately see that your mill is in a plastic case, there is a grinding regulator with numbers right above the pipe from which flour is pouring.

Yes, that's just it, that at the finest grind (I have a level of 0) small grains are poured. Not the whole mass, of course, but a rather noticeable part. Buy a smaller sieve and sift? Well, I think with experience everything will work out.
As for the experiments with grain, it is somehow difficult for us. It was with difficulty that we found grain on the market that looked like wheat in general, and not like garbage. Well, we will live until the summer, and there we will look for grain at the place of its growth.
I bake without a bread machine, just in the oven. I didn't work out with her, I gave it to my relatives. It's easier for me to control the process.

Look at this site for instructions for your mill, there is also Russian, maybe it will help?
Good luck!

I don't think there is such a huge difference. It is difficult to judge the quality of the device by the commercials. By the way, look for comparison advertising of German mills, you will immediately notice the difference in the approach to the buyer. You can try to look for reviews on foreign culinary sites; there are also baker's societies in the USA and Great Britain. It's just that the Germans have already bought here, there are reviews, and it is easier and cheaper to get a parcel from Germany than from the USA.

Bought a mill oktagon made flour, bread does not rise at all. Prior to that, I had combined ordinary baking flour with bran and wheat germ in order to somehow restore it, everything was in order. Who has experience?

Try to change the grain - not all grain grown in central Russia is suitable for baking, there is a lot of feed grain. You can also partially sift out the bran - sift through a fine-fine sieve, and then return part of the sifted out into flour. In general, it is quite difficult to bake from whole grain flour. Try different options.

Sana, good afternoon. Please share your impressions of your mill, so to speak from the height of your experience. What suits you, what doesn't, what turned out to be important over time, and what didn't?

I want to buy a similar one.

Zet, I am very happy with my mill. I have been using it constantly for six months. At first I thought she wasn't grinding fine enough, but it turned out to be a glitch. Everything is absolutely normal.
I can't even say what I would like to add or remove. It grinds everything (the only thing that has not been tried is corn, the instructions state that it grinds it too). Washable (wiped off) easily, high quality plastic. Threshers very quickly. The set included a bowl for flour - very convenient. They did not climb inside (into the millstones), there was no need. The only thing that is a little annoying is quite heavy, weighs 8 kilograms. I do not use it every day, you cannot leave it on the countertop, I put it in the pantry, I have to pull it from the shelf and back every time, but on the other hand, the same mass gives stability to the mill, it stands on the table when working without swaying (this is in comparison with a juicer, I really love to crawl on the table), so I don't consider a lot of a special problem. So if you decide to take it, I recommend it!

It's so good that there is such a topic! I just got a glimpse of a hand mill. This one: Country Living Grain Mill. They write - the best. Dee and I like it outwardly! :)

In this regard, the question is: who has the experience of ordering this mill from the Bourgeoisie? So far I only bought from ebay, and even then through an intermediary. How do such things go through our customs?