Which manufacturers are the most reliable bread makers (survey - research)

ikko4ka and lana7386 !!!
Thank you very much for your support !!!
as soon as I receive my order and try it out, I will report the result !!

[lillay]

ikko4ka and lana7386 !!!
Thank you very much for your support !!!
as soon as I receive my order and test it in action, I will report the result !!

lillay, I take it at my word and look forward to the first bread Do not rush with recipes from our site, let the first one be from the book to HP! My personal opinion In the meantime, read-read lessons for beginner bakers, it's fun and informative

I went through 5 of them, look at the bucket cover carefully, at the bucket attachment. To be fixed (there was an option it danced in the batch). Choose quick bread on the main program, dial it, it starts to interfere, listen to the sound. so that there was no grinding, and most importantly. if the box is wrinkled or punctured. my advice is to wrap it up right away from experience, there will be problems. These are not Panas's problems, but the problems of the crisis, others are even worse. Good luck !!!

Citizens! And no one has come across Saturn HP?
I have a Skis. I am happy with her inside and out. True, it recently flew in a bucket, either an oil seal or a bearing, but it was repaired without problems under warranty. But then my daughter-in-law caught fire with the idea of ​​HP. But the dear does not want. And I recently saw Saturn. Why I am interested - I had a lot of devices of this inexpensive, in general, the company and there were no complaints. But HP? By design, the most common white. Oval format.

[tuskarora]

tuskarora search here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=26545.0 and here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=41.0

[tuskarora]

tuskarora and there are not many users of these hp, but there is, after all, Alaska an exact copy of Saturn, he specially cited a link to clones ...

Dear bakers! And why is there no Trisa 7719 HP in the statistics under consideration? It costs ~ 1330 rubles, bread with a brick of three sizes, 12 programs ... Is it a very new brand? I was already confused to choose - from the coolest, such as Panas 255 and Muli 5004 ... to Triza. And I choose something for my beloved mother-in-law!

voted earlier for Moulinex works without breakdowns ... I change my voice broke ... they took me to the service center, we are waiting for the result

I voted for Panasonic, there were breakdowns, because it broke!

Time has passed 2 years, now the evaluation of Delonghi 125s 5+, and a separate 4 bucket for poor quality Teflon.

Choose KenwoodVM450 it is modern reliable and you will always have excellent bread.

The impression is that you are paid extra for advertising .... such agitation on your part. And the 450 model appeared recently, so it's too early to talk about reliability.

I've been using VM450 for half a year, if I don't need a dispenser, then I took it off, I don't do advertising, but I tell everyone that it is better than Panasonic and is much cheaper, and there are practically no more of them on sale, and there are plenty of Panasonic.

We have exactly the opposite, in any store there are 450, but panasiks are only to order or through the Internet.

03.10.08. for the first time a Clatronic BBA 2605 bread maker appeared in our house. Exactly 7 months it worked without problems, no store bread was bought during this period. Then a part broke, which turned out to be a factory defect and I was replaced with a new bread maker of the same brand. After 3 months, they changed again, already about another breakdown. Repaired after 2 months. And yesterday I was again changed to a new one, 3 problems arose at once. I demanded to change my model in general, before that they changed it to the same one, there was no choice.I currently have a Bomann CB594. I would very much like to find instructions for it. If not for the breakdowns, my previous bread maker was absolutely fine. By the way, a friend bought the exact same model, and we also gave it to mom. A friend repaired 2 times, then changed it, now she started to mope again. My mother's thermal fuse burned out twice, because my father repaired himself in the village 1100 km before our service center, he is an electrician. Now I am worried about how the new acquisition will behave, I still don’t find reviews. I have been on the site since the moment I bought the first bread machine, but for some reason I didn’t register, and today I went with you. Thanks everyone for posting in the forums, very helpful.

I'll look, of course, thanks for the link, but I would also like to see it in Russian. How do you not know how these bread makers work?

It is necessary to buy stoves of well-known companies there and there are translations in all languages ​​where they go.

[giraffe,]

I'll look, of course, thanks for the link, but I would also like to see it in Russian. How do you not know how these bread makers work?

giraffe, well, you honey and a spoon for honey ...
Reviews, look on the Internet, maybe there is in Russian ...

Ah-ah-ah, my assistant broke down, I sit - cry ... she was exactly 1.5 years old. In our big Kenwood village, no one to fix He does not want to watch, only in the MVideo service they agreed to look. Verdict: the transmission shaft collapsed. Repair ~ 1/2 the cost of the stove itself + wait for 2 months whether the unit will be sent - they change it entirely (the repairmen themselves have never seen such a thing, it would be better if they say the motor would have burned out, they can be supplied from another stove, but here only a branded one) And what will fall on next is unknown. In short, the game is not worth the candle ...

[aynat]

aynat, I will try to console. If repairs are so expensive and time-consuming, then you need to buy something new. And now, after such a time, there is a lot of experience, knowledge: what is needed and what is not used. You can choose what you wanted for a long time. Of course, this is extra money and not small, but ... how nice it is to buy something new, but it's clean, new, you try to make friends with it, get used to it and ... you don't understand how long you could do without this (new one) ... , again, there is something to wish for ... and this is so nice
Do not thicken

[Celestine]

Celestine, thanks for the support! BUT the fact of the matter is that my HP, in principle, suited me for everyone. But, apparently, I won't take Kenwood anymore (this one was a gift and I didn't choose it) precisely because of the difficulty with repairs in our city, maybe in a different way, but I called all the "zoos". The husband talked to the service worker about the service, he did not advise taking Mulinex and all the stoves with 2 stirrers. On post-warranty service, he said that there are no problems with spare parts for LG and Panasonic. That's the whole choice ...

If the mechanics break down, it can be done cheaply in friends, especially if they work at the enterprise. Most likely it is necessary to grind the detail there. Look for acquaintances, they will make our Kulibins, you underestimate! And the prices for an acquaintance are divine.

[Rem]

Rem, you can try, my husband wanted to unscrew it himself, but there are some tricky bolts that he could not unscrew. And at the factory we have friends, there really any detail can be turned ...

In general, the survey should be done somehow differently, because sooner or later any equipment breaks down, but it is necessary to find out at what time period it breaks down. I got hungry a year later, and after another six months the HP broke down. The survey should be, it seems to me, something like - manufacturer Kenwood:

HP Kenwood - (total, including those that did not break)
Broke in the 1st year -
Broke in the 2nd year -
Broke in the 3rd year -
Has been working normally for 3 years or more -
Vote 2 times - 1 time in total and 1 time when she broke.
And so for all manufacturers (the main one, of course) ...

It is necessary to periodically disassemble and lubricate the mechanical parts.

[Celestine]

Celestine, thanks for the support! BUT the fact of the matter is that my HP, in principle, suited me for everyone.But, apparently, I won't take Kenwood anymore (this one was a gift and I didn't choose it) precisely because of the difficulty with repairs in our city, maybe in a different way, but I called all the "zoos". The husband talked to the service worker about the service, he did not advise taking Mulinex and all the stoves with 2 stirrers. On post-warranty service, he said that there are no problems with spare parts for LG and Panasonic. That's the whole choice ...

Well, I was upset. After all the adventures with my HP, I changed it to a model with two mixers.

It is necessary to buy stoves of well-known companies there and there are translations in all languages ​​where they go.

It's good to speak when you have a choice. I took in "Sulpak", it's like the Russian "Eldorado". Everything is as it should be with the warranty card, but now I deal with the programs myself. In Russia, yogurt makers have been on sale for a long time, but we still don't have any in the city. I kept pestering, pestering the sellers, they said that they had ordered, but that they would bring the question.

It's not in my power, maybe Admin can

Clearly, thanks, then you have to write Admin or leave it as it is?

It is necessary to periodically disassemble and lubricate the mechanical parts.

And with what "periodicity" you do "THIS" ???
-once a year?
-once a month?
-once a day?
or before and after every loaf?
- What about the guarantee?
-And the manufacturers of HP do not give a box with tools and instructions for "assembly-disassembly" - "radishes" are like that !!! And the "mechanic-minder" is not included in the "kit" to HP !!! And if he did, where would he live, who would want to feed him? How to live on, longing
Most of them bought HP in order to enjoy their BREAD, and there are other "devices" for practicing the Kama Sutra !!!

[ALTI, Danik51]

ALTI, Danik51 Does the manual say something about HP maintenance? I personally NO !!!! So let's not engage in amateur performances, otherwise you can inadvertently lose the guarantee
ALTI If you find service manuals for HP on the forum, you will be very grateful

And I, just AGAINST amateur performances and such "advice" on the forum.
We must bake (bake - I don’t remember how to do it correctly) bread and rejoice for HP, and "periodically" grease - only with butter in recipes. IMHO

dear bakers, as you can see, I'm a newcomer, can you advise which version of a bread machine for me as an inexperienced and only mastering the skill of baking will be the most optimal?

dear bakers, as you can see, I'm a newcomer, can you advise which version of a bread machine for me as an inexperienced and only mastering the skill of baking will be the most optimal?

You should study the topics on the forum, decide for yourself what functions and programs you would need in principle. And then they will decide on the model, based on their wishes and reviews, which we have collected here for the entire existence of the forum. Why is Panasonic-253 listed in your profile?

The best in design and without plastic, modern control, operational reliability THIS IS KENWOOD VM-450.

You forgot to add IMHO, because this is just your opinion, with which many will disagree.
Design is generally a matter of everyone's taste. In my opinion, Kenwood has nothing special in design. How many Kenwoods do you have in operation, what do you say about its reliability? My Panasonic is over 7 years old, for example, and works like a clock. But on the previous pages there are reviews about Kenwood, which broke much earlier.

[Danik51]

Danik51 , right now you will be thrown with slippers! do not need such categorical reviews, give an opportunity for an independent choice!
and Kenwood is a really great stove, I like it (although I only have 256, and only the fourth year without breakdowns, t-t-t)

PySy: well, while I was composing, the corresponding review has already come

[Danik51]

Danik51 , right now you will be thrown with slippers! do not need such categorical reviews, give an opportunity for an independent choice!
and Kenwood is a really great stove, I like it (although I only have 256, and only the fourth year without breakdowns, t-t-t)

PySy: well, while I was composing, the corresponding review has already come

No, throwing slippers at each other is useless, but after all, you really need to give a person the opportunity to figure out what he needs from the functions, and then advise something. Therefore, I personally have no desire to insist on any particular brand until everything is clarified.

Anastasia and you read how many complaints about Panasonic, all the same Kenwood VM - 450 is better than Panas both in design and control. This is the kind of bread that Kenwood-VM bakes --- 450.

Anastasia and you read how many complaints about Panasonic, all the same Kenwood VM - 450 is better than Panas both in design and control. This is the kind of bread that Kenwood-VM bakes --- 450.

You know, as a moderator, all I do is read and read the forum ... And absolutely nothing terrible about Panasonic I do not find! And mind you, at first I asked the person what he wanted from the bread maker and generally did not recommend anything yet. And you and your Kenwood, as with a written sack, rush about the topics. Photos of my bread, as well as other members of the forum with completely different ovens are no worse than your bread from Kenwood.

oh, what about the owners of other stoves? but they like them !!!
no, let's stop this senseless dispute - everyone chooses a stove "for themselves." you need to rummage on the Internet for technical data, be sure to touch all the stoves in the store with your hands, well, and focus on the capabilities of your own wallet
and malfunctions can be absolutely in any stove, regardless of the manufacturer
let's live in peace!

oh, what about the owners of other stoves? but they like them !!!

And I live amicably and even Panasonic, in principle, have not yet advised. Until I figure out what a person wants to get from the stove, I will not advise anything and I will not, as some do.
I can only agree with the opinion that a lot can depend on the person himself, on the products that he will use and on the recipes that he will use. The dispute was not started by me and I also suggest that no one should start it. This topic is generally not for debate, to be honest. One topic of comparing Kenwood and Panasonic is enough for us already.

About Panasonic, and in truth there are more questions, because they are sold more, sold more, the company has been producing them since 1987, who is longer? And the Kenwood 450 is a "new" model with problems that the manufacturer does not consider necessary to fix.
It's generally incorrect to compare here

Support morally !!!!

I support you morally !!! Sednya acquired Pan. 225 As early as 5 o'clock. 1 as opened liked the measuring glass - at first in it beer-Vo !!!! cool glass for beer. 2 Opened, wiped. first of all, an accelerated mode of simple bread - 1h 55min ... that's it !!! view decent taste great !!! HURRAH!!! I understood the 1st khuman. - the taste strongly depends on the amount of salt, next time I will add more LUCK !!!

Hello everyone who has a bread machine!
I'm new here, I've read almost everything, and I can't decide to take Panasonic-254 or wait until Panasonic-255 W appears? But when it will appear is unclear.
And tomorrow there is a reason to receive a gift!
I was told in the store that 254 does not bake rye bread, but 255 does bake it, and it is written about this in the instructions and that in general only 255 bakes this bread out of all ovens. Tell me who has 254, please!

[nyka-kl]

nyka-kl This is you a bit out of the "topic" wrote It was necessary here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2044.0
And the answer is here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1038.0
and here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8102.0
Well, in one word, you can bake and rye

[Nadiy]

[When I was young, I bought a TV and a VCR from Funai (China), so a colleague proudly told me: "Your Chinese cheap stuff will soon break down, I buy only Panasonic equipment." That was 16 years ago. Both the TV set and Vidic still work for me, but she threw her Panasonic 5 years later, because it was not subject to repair. Therefore, I don't bother about "China".)

Nadiy, I think that you are somewhat mistaken! Funai- Japanese firm! I have a TV from this company. My parents bought it when I was still a child, so it still serves well. 20 years!!! Not a single repair! (Pah-pah!)
Not in the corner, it is constantly exploited.The origin is pure "Japanese"! Of course, now whoever makes them, but before they were only Japanese.

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Once I voted in this thread for "works without breakdowns" - about my 255th Panasonic. But my HP worked exactly 4 years, 1 month and 6 days - more precisely, on the 6th day (yesterday) a problem arose: I put rye bread and almost at the very beginning of the batch I heard a strange sound. I looked - the scapula does not spin. Disconnected HP, removed the bucket. I see: the plastic drive disk of the blade drive (I'm not sure what it's called that way, but this is the "nest" where the bucket is inserted) is destroyed, instead of it - pieces of plastic. Everything else seems to be in order. Since the repair is not guaranteed, the service enthusiastically replied something like "bring it - we will do it!" So now I would vote for "breakdown in the 5th year of life" (if there was such an opportunity). I thought - I thought and decided that I would buy Panasonic anyway ... if I had to decide now about buying a new HP. They say that a familiar devil is better than a stranger.

[Lydia]

Lydia And I would buy SD 257, I already dream of replacing the bucket from 257, but I'm not sure whether it will fit the 255 model.If it's not difficult to find out in the service about this possibility

[Lydia]

Lydia And I would buy SD 257, I already dream of replacing the bucket from 257, but I'm not sure whether it will fit the 255 model.If it's not difficult to find out in the service about this possibility

Most likely it will work, although anything can be. But it's not hard to ask. Only for now I can’t say exactly when I’ll get to the service.

[Lydia]

Lydia And I would buy SD 257, I already dream of replacing the bucket from 257, but I'm not sure whether it will fit the 255 model.If it's not difficult to find out in the service about this possibility

sazalexter, if it helps you. In some topic (I can't find it now), one girl gave the dimensions of the bucket of the 255th model (19 cm - length, 14 cm - width, 15 cm - depth, these are internal dimensions). I measured the bucket from the 257th - the dimensions are the same! Only more weight. And the details that "dock" between the body and the bucket (I don't know how these "turntables" are called correctly) are also the same. Therefore, the bucket should fit. Moreover, the 254/255, apparently, will no longer be produced, the remnants will be sold, and then there will be only new models and, accordingly, new spare buckets.

I looked - the 257th costs the same (approximately) as the 255th. So if you have to buy a new HP, then with all my zhabism, of course, only 257.

About the bucket. I do not take their word for these figures (servicemen and sellers).Now, if in front of my eyes (or better with my hands) they install a bucket from 257 HP to 255, then I will believe ... maybe.

Today they brought 257 (I bought it as a gift), I have 255, the bucket fits completely one in the colors of the other