Which manufacturers are the most reliable bread makers (survey - research)

Peace be with you bakers!
I have an OPTIMUM stove for a year already, and I can't do anything except ordinary and French bread

why so ??? any recipe from the site is suitable

So I read everything and was upset, I have a Mulya 5002, the impression is that they all break down .. I wanted to buy a Panasonic 255, but we have it the most expensive and 500 hryvnia more expensive than Muli, (this is about 2500 rubles), for me This is already too much .. And there are those, one hundred considers Mule the most reliable?

And, unfortunately, I cannot vote with my HP optimum CH-9020, but it is not on the list
My assistant has been with me for 10.5 months. Before her, I didn't have rolls, but some stones

[Ode to the bread maker]

Ode to the bread maker

sung to the tune of an old hit: "We honestly have to tell you
We need more girl's life .... "
I must honestly tell you
Everybody needs a bread maker abroad!
Well, where is the usual bread to get here ?!
And I don't want to eat preservatives!
Black bread is my love! 🔗
I found it again with a bread maker!
Now I rub the humps with garlic!
And I eat them with soup and borscht! 🔗
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How to live without HP ?! Tell me, tell me!
Where am I without her ?! Yes, just nowhere!
No wonder everyone would be happy to have a unit!
Ah, bread maker! My assistant, friend and brother !!!

I have HP Daewoo Int. DI-9154 is already a month and a half.
Daewoo did not find it in the voting list, and it’s too early to vote - little time has passed since the purchase

Eh-eh ... And my wife and I, by March 8, decided to join baking, bought LG ... And after working for a day, she ordered to live a long time - I had to drag it to the service, but it seemed like we fixed it. Yesterday we got the first successful bread :)

I voted for Moulinex, or rather against. I have a model 5002. For three months it worked fine, then something went wrong in the electronics (gave an error E-01) and the bearings fell. Repaired a month under warranty. With great difficulty I found their service in Kharkov. According to the repairmen, they changed the drive and some kind of sensor, everyone was taking it for a month from Paris) While it works, but judging by the sounds and rings of metal chips around the spindles, it's time to prepare for the next one. And I haven't paid off the loan for it yet. Here is a European manufacturer for you. I'll take the next LG, it costs half the price, and the quality of the Koreans has already become good. Panasov unfortunately not in our square

So we have a lot of such equipment "made not in China", only it is much more expensive than conventional equipment, and not everyone can afford such equipment.

You have to immediately decide: cheaper, but from China, or more expensive - but a native brand.

You ask yourself this question right away - before you go shopping.

I also decided to share my experience of using the technique a little. I liked the Bosch-Siemens technology. Here I will walk through it Siemens vacuum cleaner - 5 years, assembly Germany, works up to 5 minutes, then a burning smell appears, besides this, it also pulls very weakly, took it for the price of 3 Samsung. Bosch gas stove - 2 years, assembly Turkey. All the inscriptions on the front panel have been erased, the enamel under the linings has wiped off along the diameter of the handles, the drawer is on plastic latches at the bottom, you can't load much. I took $ 100 more expensive than a similar Gorenyi to which they also gave a set of dishes, my friends have this and no problems. Hood Bosch - 1 year, assembly Germany. The engine body warped from the temperature, the height during installation was maintained according to the instructions. Iron Bosch, assembly Slovakia or Slovenia, I don't remember exactly. I worked for 2.5 years and then started to smoke and crackled something inside. Refrigerator Bosch - 8 years old, assembled in Spain.The seals were applied, they change only with the door The cost of the refrigerating door is 120 euros, the freezing one is 100 euros, the backlight key does not come in contact, changed under warranty, the defect remained. Two Siemens cordless phones - 4.5 years old, assembled in Germany. He himself turns on the answering machine, turns off only by juggling the power, constantly charging the handset standing on the base. Philips TV - 4 years old, assembled Poland. Recently I started blinking in red, when turned on it goes into red, then comes back to normal color.
Show me the quality in all of this. The money for the time of purchases was not small, it turned out in most cases I paid just for the name! And in general, in my opinion, Europe has already simply got drunk on its history. I think you need to switch to Koreans

When I chose HP, I hardly read the forums,
I just went to the store, second, third, and checked the build quality, materials from different manufacturers with pens and eyes. I realized that "not all yoghurts are equally useful" LG is definitely not ice

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popravchik It was not copied, but the license and production were bought out. Pack, wrote if I am not mistaken

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When I chose HP, I hardly read the forums,
I just went to the store, second, third, and checked the build quality, materials from different manufacturers with pens and eyes. I realized that "not all yoghurts are equally useful" LG is definitely not ice

When I took it, I wanted to take Panasonic, but they were only in online stores and only in Kiev. Then I decided that Moulinex was also a serious manufacturer, and I liked the bucket in the form of an ordinary brick, and in the LV it was square. But I liked the LV assembly quality and the display was LED and not LCD under thick glass. In general, as they say, the first pancake is lumpy And what are the disadvantages of LV?

popravchik It was not copied, but the license and production were bought out. Pack, wrote if I am not mistaken

When I took my Mulya to the service, there were a lot of Delonghi, this fact somehow alerted me

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popravchik I chose at the level of sensations, plastic, metal, fitting, processing the edges of parts. Cast bucket! The bucket is mounted with a bayonet lock and not with guide plates. The stuffing box of the mixer is plastic, fluorinated. The plastic of the body is not painted with "hammer enamel", but high-temperature pressure molding as in expensive teapots, etc. etc

Thanks for the tip, I'll have to look at it. Are there any complaints about the work? I'm afraid to get again like with my Mule

I have no complaints about Panasonic. Convenient and reliable like Kalashnikov

Good health to all bakers!
From June to December 2008, I had Moulinex OW 5004 HP in operation. Bread was baked 2-3 times a week, there was no waste of baking. At the end of December, the HP broke down: the kneader shafts stopped rotating. Currently, the HP is under warranty repair, and the fact of the breakdown was noted by me during the vote. Longing for homemade bread, we bought a second HP, Kenwood BM-250 a week ago, on which I, of course, have not yet voted.
The collected statistical material is quite enough to give a clear answer to the question posed in the forum topic for such manufacturers as LG, Moulinex, Hitachi, Delonghi, Panasonic, Kenwood and Binatone. The statistics for other manufacturers is still insufficient.
We will evaluate the reliability by the indicator q (estimate of the probability of HP failure during the operation time t), while we do not know the time t itself, but we will assume that it is the same for all stoves. So, we get:

1. Panasonic: q = 9 / (9 + 192) = 0.045, that is, out of every hundred HPs operated by members of the forum, during the time t, on average, 4 or 5 pieces fail, which is a good indicator in world practice. Panasonic ovens are the most reliable among the ones presented at the forum!
2. Hitachi: q = 1 / (1 + 10) = 0.09. Deserved second place.
3. Delonghi: q = 3 / (3 + 24) = 0.11. Bronze medalist.
4. Kenwood: q = 6 / (6 + 40) = 0.13.
5. LG: q = 9 / (9 + 55) = 0.14. Within the statistical error, HP Kenwood and LG have the same reliability.
6. Moulinex: q = 20 / (20 + 92) = 0.18.
7. Binatone: q = 7 / (7 + 8) = 0.47. That is, almost half of the HP of this brand in time t is refused, which, you see, is completely unacceptable for us, consumers. I would like to hope that inaccuracies crept into the initial data and the owners of the HP of this brand will check their answers.

It seems to me that this information will help guests and forum participants deciding which HP to buy, this information will help them make the right choice.

Can you answer the question, why is Daewoo worse than BMW? After all, you can ride on both.
In Ski, you can also bake bread and quite successfully, but of these two, I would choose Panasonic. IMHO.

Can you answer the question, why is Daewoo worse than BMW? After all, you can ride on both.

At one time I also thought so, so at one time I collected a lot of Bosch-Siemens equipment, which I later regretted. I wrote about this "European quality" a couple of pages earlier. Therefore, I am now more interested in value for money. And between Daewoo and BMW, I would pick the first one, because I am sure that BMW will not go 6 times better, faster or safer, this is called the law of decreasing dividends

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I found out in the Panasonic 255 online store, now it costs 1900 hryvnia. Expensive, I can't afford such a price. Why is LV 205 or 206 worse in terms of the quality of work or bread? It is cheaper all the same, now around 1000 hryvnia. Maybe in Belgorod Panasonic is cheaper? But it’s also scary to drive from there with our customs, and I don’t know any shops there, I’ve never been to Belgorod.

I also have Moulinex (OW5004), now under repair. When my wife and I began to decide on the purchase of the 2nd bread machine, they decided not to take the expensive one and the choice fell on Kenwood BM-250 (3190 rubles in Dubna, which is 1000 rubles cheaper than LG). It bakes no worse than Moulinex, I liked the design, and the baking compartment was pleasantly surprised by the stainless steel finish. I also liked the design of the bearing assembly of the kneader, and its blade had never been removed from the bread.
By the way, the reliability of the "bread supply system" Moulinex-Kenwood (or Moulinex-LG) is twice the reliability of one Panasonic:
q = 0.18 * 0.13 = 0.023 = 2.3% (Panasonic has q = 4.5%),
where q is an estimate of the probability of failure during operation.

Already somewhere I wrote that my friend and I compared bread baked under equal conditions in Panasonic and in Kenwood 350. Conclusion: the bread is the same in almost all characteristics, very tasty and airy. But in comparison with Delongy 755, bread up to 500-600 grams is good, and at 900-1000 grams in Kenwood it is better, because Delongy's last boning is short in time and does not have time to completely precipitate the dough.

If you decide to take Kenwood, then you will be happy with the choice. True, I bake exclusively according to forum recipes, and not from a book.

Does Kenwood have 350 crust on top? Mulik's bread for some reason is always white on top! On Kenwood's website, I read that he has a fan. I understand to mix hot air. Does it help you make a crust like a store-bought bread? For some reason I found two Kenwood sites, one with electronics turned out to be Japanese Kenwood and the other with household appliances - English, and is part of the Delongy concern. How can you understand, doubles or what? Another question about Kenwood - 350, is the display backlit during operation? And what kind of bucket is there, cast as in LV or stamped as in Mulinex? In Moulinex, the display is very hard to read, and small characters are also under thick glass! Even though the clock is red in the LV, it is convenient to watch the state of work.

Hello forum users! And I have an exotic Otto Shteker bread machine model. Its price was $ 100, the weight of baked bread was from 900g. up to 1350 gr. As one friend of mine says, THIS IS A REAL CHINA !!!

Does Kenwood have 350 crust on top?

Kenwood and the other with household appliances is English, and is part of the Delongy concern How can this be understood

Another question about Kenwood - 350, is the display backlit during operation?

And what kind of bucket is there, cast as in LV or stamped as in Mulinex?

In Moulinex, the display is very hard to read, and small characters are also under thick glass!

Even though the clock is red in the LV, it is convenient to watch the state of work.

Yes, in Kenwood, the crust on top is obtained, especially with tall bread. But not like a purchased one, since there is no heat source from above in any HP.

Yes, with household appliances included in the Delongy concern.

The display is not backlit, it is liquid crystal.

The bucket is stamped, but well made.

The numbers are large and indicate the cooking stage, that is, it can be seen whether kneading, proofing or baking is in progress.

In HP, the product that it produces is important.

Dear bakers. And tell me all the same. What is the best bread maker to buy? Thank you

Each will praise his own.

go shopping and feel the HP with your hands - which quality factor will turn out to be "closer to the body" for you, choose this from any manufacturer, even the most eminent, there are punctures, so it's probably better to choose "with your hands" but also about such parameters how power, variety of programs and even design should not be forgotten, your stove should first of all please you, then you will definitely find a common language with it

What other parameters should you pay attention to?

What other parameters should you pay attention to?

I wanted to give a couple of links, but I could not find, because there are about 50 such questions, so if it's not hard, look at the names and read, a great many tips have already been written and rewritten, it still won't be better

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&board=21.0

even in this topic everything is described very clearly. Or ask a specific question.

Gentlemen, having received almost a month's experience, I will say this - HP is a tool, and what comes out of it depends on the hands. If you learn, then even on the simplest stove you can make masterpieces, and if not given, then not given ...
So here only reliability is significant, and the rest is a matter of technology (well, hands)

Now there are Tefal OW 4002 bakery machines with two shapes - round and rectangular, at a price more expensive than Panasonic. I wonder if anyone can say something about them?

It is practically analogous to Bork. There are also two forms and they have been produced for a long time, something about a year. The forum has happy owners of these devices.

Hello Bakeries!
I have already voted "Mulinex works well", but now I can say that after 5 months of use, it simply stuck! It's terrible that only after the breakdown I found a page on your site, I learned a lot of bad things about this model, where our eyes were, I don't know!

We can’t say anything bad about our Mulka :-) Soon a year has passed since we’re not eating store-bought bread! We've probably used up more than a centner of flour!
Perhaps this is a lottery - someone is lucky, someone less :-(

Perhaps this is a lottery - someone is lucky, someone less :-(

The only pity is that most often this happens with the Mulineshkas. Itself went through it.

The other day my HP turned one year old. Now you can vote - while the flight is normal -

go shopping and feel the HP with your hands - which quality factor will turn out to be "closer to the body" for you, choose this from any manufacturer, even the most eminent, there are punctures, so it's probably better to choose "with your hands" but also about such parameters how power, variety of programs and even design should not be forgotten, your stove should first of all please you, then you will definitely find a common language with it

I AGREE ! I myself have long been looking for a price / quality ratio. Once an inner voice said "STOP!" So he stopped. While happy, like an elephant after a bath ... Listen to your own feelings and you will be happy!

Now there are Tefal OW 4002 bakery machines with two shapes - round and rectangular, at a price more expensive than Panasonic. I wonder if anyone can say something about them?

Looked, felt, not impressed. Somehow the execution doesn't really match the brand and the price. BUT! this is my personal impression and feeling. Although, initially laid eyes on her, seeing in the internet.

I got married on Panas 255, a crust burned in the tenov area on 2 programs. Here is the vaunted quality. Again at a crossroads. Old Ken plowed for 9 years, gave it to the tribe What to choose, my head is spinning. : kolobok: I bow to Ken 450.

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vfksi All manufacturers have a marriage, only some 2-3% and others even 10-15%. Kenwood 450 is good, but the problem is that it is not officially delivered to Russia, yet !? If something happens, there may be problems with the service.

Tell me what to do when you are unlucky ?.The first Panas burned, passed with a fight, ordered Ken 450, Ken turned out to be left (with scratches on the bolts, no stickers, very noisy), passed. I ordered Panas 255 in MVideo (I tried to change the store), it creaked and gnashed during the batch so that I did not even bake, taught by bitter experience I washed it and handed it over as unused. Am I so unlucky or is it just one marriage going on now? After all, 9 years ago I bought 2 Kens for myself and my mother (one even seems to be in Eldorado) and both are plowing to this day. What is happening? Internet shop, where I used to order for many years, he has a good reputation and everything was fine. I want some bread !!!!! And the old woman managed to cheat.

Agree. The quality of the goods is very low. There is no guarantee upon purchase. This is how lucky. And not often lucky lately. Therefore, do not take an expensive bread. I have an inexpensive Alaska 1600 rubles. while it works, 1 year warranty. If you're lucky, it will work for a long time.

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vfksiI think the problem is in Eldorado stores. (Discounter) .. MVideo ....

But it seems to me that now there is arbitrariness, that I want it and I turn it over! And no one wants to change anything, they just find it profitable to sell!
You think the problem is in the store, but not in the product!
Now there is no quality product, only "G", and this is not the fault of the store, that Eldorado, that Mvideo, sell the same product, from the same warehouse!
My own experience: When I was choosing HP, I went to "Mvideo", there was so much return (after repair), even the blades in the test! And in "Eldorado" I have never met anything like it!
I bought in Iceberg, a new center of household appliances, anyway, after 5 months, repairs! And who is to blame? We bought a blender from Satellite, the same problem! It's just that the product is not of high quality! And when we buy, we all play the old Roulette with a loaded revolver, only now there is not one cartridge in it, but everything ...

You think the problem is in the store, but not in the product!
Now there is no quality product, only "G", and this is not the store's fault

That is why my choice fell on a time-tested model Let's hope that it outlives its more recent colleagues

A practical test on the topic and ... a small advertisement Orion 205 (maybe the company will credit it) I accidentally dropped a bread maker from the table onto the tiled floor ... After a minor repair of only mechanical damage, I repaired several cracks (plastic, all the same), the unit works like new !! ! Ur Orion

: flowers: I'm afraid to say gop, but after trying to replace old Ken with a new daughter-in-law (as a joke with my mother we call our bread makers), on the fourth attempt (!!!) I became the owner of 254 Panas. I don't know how to vote, but 2 255 Panasa turned out to be a marriage (one burned, one rattled), 450 Ken was just a terrible build, or I don’t know repaired, with scratches at the bolts, rattling (I passed it right away without trying it). At 254 she baked 2 bread, egg and French, there is no crime yet. I will continue to test. The dispenser is not important to me, rye at 255 is not a delight, so I decided it was simpler, cheaper, and it looks nicer than those 255. There were a cat, on one of them the front panel was somehow all in bubbles. Now God forbid, bake and rejoice. Thanks everyone for the answers and advice.

I, of course, apologize for wedging in, but a question for the top-starter: why is there not a single mention of Daewoo bread makers in the survey? I would also vote ...
Even though I just bought the stove, I also want to vote.

Yesterday I bought a DeLonghi BDM 1200S bread machine. An attempt to make the first bread was unsuccessful. Unfortunately, having reached the baking mode, the oven dropped the program and returned to its original position. After waiting ten minutes to cool the oven, I tried to turn on the baking mode. As soon as the arrow stood opposite the inscription "baking" the program was reset. The dough had to be baked in the oven. Today I went to the store and changed it to LG.

I ordered HP in the online store (Panasonic-255), I'm waiting ... and I'm reading this forum thread. The question was born: will you be lucky with HP or how, because they say that the acquisition of this technique is a lottery.And they are already plagued by doubts about the correctness of the choice! Support morally !!!!

lillay, don't worry! Everything will be fine, we will still admire your bread.

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I ordered HP in the online store (Panasonic-255), I'm waiting ... and I'm reading this forum thread. The question was born: will you be lucky with HP or how, because they say that the acquisition of this technique is a lottery.

lillay Did you find a few reviews about the HP Panasonic-255 marriage on the site? The worries are in vain. Carefully inspect and CHECK the HP upon delivery (find information on the website that you need to pay attention to!), Check all the HP documentation and the warranty card. I'm sure Panasonic will only delight you! Good luck! Yours faithfully