Dishwasher - Narrow or Full Size?

Of course, a larger dishwasher will wash more. But in order for it to work economically, it must be fully loaded, and for this the dishes will have to be collected for several days (I know firsthand, I saw it from friends). And where to get so many cutlery so that there is still something left to eat and what to cook, when there are 8-10 sets of dishes in the machine for several days? Again, a large dishwasher takes up more space. But of course everyone makes their own choice.

In order for the dishwasher to work economically, it does not need to be fully loaded, but it is only necessary that it has an economical washing program for a small amount of dishes or washing in zones - only the top or only the bottom - there is always a lot of dirty dishes for one zone. But if necessary, wash a large number of dishes after guests or baking sheets, standard from the oven and large pots-dishwasher of a standard size - 60x60 cm - an absolutely irreplaceable thing. I have been using this for more than 5 years and although our family is also very small, but thanks to the large selection of programs on my dishwasher, I never have such problems as a discrepancy between the number of dishes and economy, and I never accumulate dishes for several days- the maximum is before dinner and can be put on a wash. But I do not wear after baking or frying meat with pans, not knowing how to fit them in the sink in order to wash them properly. Therefore, I consider any dishwasher smaller than the standard size as a compromise.

Personally, I threw the refrigerator into the Zat hall, she "pushed" the dishwasher in its place. Small, really, there is no point in buying. I don’t know what anyone says about the fact that a small family cannot get a lot of dishes dirty in a day. Personally, two or three of us for breakfast and dinner have time to stain it with exactly 2 trays for a 60cm typewriter. Some olivier, chops and fried potatoes of which are Pots, knives, plates, forks, glasses, boards, salad bowls, frying pans and spatulas, spoons .. darkness run the machine once a day. Occasionally - once every two. True, she was lazy to the point that she was too lazy to take out and put all the devices in their places. .... where else can I buy a robot for this job?

In order for the dishwasher to work economically, it does not need to be fully loaded, but it is only necessary that it has an economical washing program for a small amount of dishes or washing in zones - only the top or only the bottom - there is always a lot of dirty dishes for one zone. But if necessary, wash a large number of dishes after guests or baking sheets, standard from the oven and large pots-dishwasher of a standard size - 60x60 cm - an absolutely irreplaceable thing. I have been using this for more than 5 years and although our family is also very small, but thanks to the large selection of programs on my dishwasher, I never have such problems as a discrepancy between the number of dishes and economy, and I never accumulate dishes for several days- the maximum is before dinner and can be put on a wash. But I do not wear after baking or frying meat with pans, not knowing how to fit them in the sink in order to wash them properly. Therefore, I consider any dishwasher smaller than the standard size as a compromise.

About washing dishes by zone and about economy. washing, I did not know. This is of course a way out. Yes, and wash the baking sheets in the dishwasher, I would not mind. If I had a bigger kitchen, I would probably buy a big car (you convinced me). But there is very, very little space.And in light of this, a small machine is a way out (after all, it is the dishwasher that washes the bulk of the dishes, but I mine the big baking sheets and large pans). In any case, the dishwasher is good.

I'm also thinking about buying a dishwasher. But I have a narrow 45 cm (for 8-9 sets of dishes). What do you think pots will fit in this?
But regarding water saving: I have meters, so I wouldn't want to waste extra water. Hearing that dishwashers, on the contrary, help save water. Who thinks about it?

I'm also thinking about buying a dishwasher. But I have a narrow 45 cm (for 8-9 sets of dishes). What do you think pots will fit in this?
But about saving water: I have meters, so I wouldn't want to waste extra water. Hearing that dishwashers, on the contrary, help save water. Who thinks about it?

The pans will definitely fit. Baking trays can even stick a little sideways. Regarding water saving, it is also true, there is such a thing, if you buy a dishwasher of a normal company and look at the characteristics of the water consumption, in good dishwashers it is quite small + also watch the availability of the "Economical Washing" program.

I'm also thinking about buying a dishwasher. But I have a narrow 45 cm (for 8-9 sets of dishes). What do you think pots will fit in this?
But about saving water: I have meters, so I wouldn't want to waste extra water. Hearing that dishwashers, on the contrary, help save water. Who thinks about it?

I have a narrow 45 cm BOSCH insert. Pans are included, baking trays are also placed sideways. There is a special device. nozzle for washing trays. Works both on a tablet and on a special. powder, there is a function for drying dishes.
Washes clean. The water heats itself from 45 * to 75 *, depending on the program.
Water consumption at 120 minutes mode up to 14 liters, 35 minutes mode (fast) up to 11 liters. It's still less than washing by hand under running water.
If there is a water meter and a two-tariff meter, this is beneficial.

How "clean" dishes should you put in the dishwasher? For some reason, all my friends wash or wipe the dishes before loading them with a paper towel, can't you just put dirty dishes without large food residues?

My 6th sense Whirpool dishwasher has been working for 6 years. NEVER! I do not wash or wipe the dishes with anything before loading them into the dishwasher. Maximum, as you say, I get rid of large food debris and that's it. Everything that has gone away from attention is still then accumulated in specials. mesh basket, which must sometimes be taken out and shaken out. I don’t know why to carry out unnecessary manipulations with dirty dishes in the form of a pre-wash.
Your choice in the form of Bosch is very good! And the fact that it is full-size is also very good. Then you will not regret at all that you found an extra 15 cm and took a full-size one.

I have a small 45 cm Ardo, considered an economy class, 2 propellers for water supply, washes everything. I rinse the dishes lightly when placing them under running water, holding the edge of the plate / bowl with one hand so that the filter does not clean after each wash. The quality of washing also depends on how clogged the filter is and water saving is achieved by recirculating this water through the filter during the washing process.
PS: One wash takes 20 ml of powder. I fall asleep with salt after 1.5-2 months. One bottle of rinse aid lasts for 8-9 months.

"Calm, only calm" ....

No, it's awful! The big one does not fit, the small pans do not fit .... For the price of a big one, that small is the same. There are a bunch of manufacturers and each promises super-economy of everything! So I’ve read it here too! The husband says: Choose something already. And I don't want something, I want a good one. Help me choose, please. Requirements for PMM - we are 3 people, connection to cold water, there is no place for a full-length one. Who uses a similar PMM, please respond!

No, it's awful! The big one does not fit, the small pans do not fit .... For the price of a big one, that small is the same.There are a bunch of manufacturers and each promises super-economy of everything! So I’ve read it here too! The husband says: Choose something already. And I don't want something, I want a good one. Help me choose, please. Requirements for PMM - we are 3 people, connection to cold water, there is no place for a full-length one. Who uses a similar PMM, please respond!

And what do you call "full-length" - not very clear? To width a meter?
I have a PM width of 44 cm, in my opinion for 8 sets. There are three of us too, mine every day (or rather every night), on weekends, 2-3 times a day.
A 5-liter saucepan normally fits on the lower basket, a large saucepan fits.

If you don't have a place at all - someone here wrote about TRIO (stove + dishwasher), look with a search.

I meant full-length 60 by 60. The maximum that can be allocated is 45cm. wide. And what is yours? You're happy?
I would like to send a cauldron and a frying pan there.

I meant full-length 60 by 60. The maximum that can be allocated is 45cm. wide. And what is yours? You're happy?
I would like to send a cauldron and a frying pan there.

45 is enough)
I don't put the cauldron there, because I have it made of cast iron, and, accordingly, VERY heavy. I'm afraid that the dishwasher will come off the countertop from such a weight)))
The pans fit naturally. And the pan is big.
In general, everything fits from the dishes.

[Viki]

Viki, 45 cm is definitely enough, it's good when the upper basket is adjustable in height. It has 2 rows of wheels and can be placed higher for large pots on the lower basket. The fold-down dividers on the lower basket are a nice and handy trifle and a removable, separate cutlery container.

Good day, happy dishwasher owners! Please enlighten me on this question - on the PMM cover, can you put something freestanding, like on a work surface? I want to buy a PMM, 45 cm wide, I will have to sacrifice a cabinet in the kitchen, it is just that wide. But I would not want to lose the work surface. I cannot drive everything under a common tabletop yet. So I'm wondering whether I will lose my work surface or not?

Iraida on my dishwasher 45 cm is microwave, everything is fine, does not affect the operation of the machine.

everyone here is something narrow (45cm) PMM so praise, and I can say it would have bought a place would be 60cm. but then I thought that there were 12 devices, why. there are only three of us. I was still looking for 0.5 downloads. and now I think why. I'm not that I don't use this function, so I turn on the machine 2 times a day, well, or wash it with handles.
crawls down at me, well, plates and one (!!!) saucepan of 5 liters, or small ones can fit sideways 2, but there is a chance that some will not wash well
my personal opinion, there is a place, we must take 60cm!
I also wanted to ask about the protesters, what kind of coasters are there?
in order to wash the baking sheet, it is imperative to remove the upper basket (although it can be adjusted in height, it still does not fit)

I have a Bosch 60X60, a family of 3 people, I run it every evening, but I would never change it for a small one. It makes me shudder when I see my friend put the plates in the typewriter (hers is 40cm), and wash the pots and pans with her hands NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE! But if not, then, as they say, "Fish for fish without fish and cancer."

I'm over 60cm. I am quite on friendly terms with my head and I understand that, for example, 60 cm PMM can be built into Khrushchev's kitchen only strongly to the detriment of something else, so forty-fives will go there. But this is if you discuss the issue of space. But if we discuss it from the point of view of functionality, occupancy, etc. - only 60cm. I drive it once a day - it's 100%. At the same time, the dishes remain in the sink. Everything is overwritten only if you run it 2 times. If you really want to save money, almost all modern machines have a half load function. For example, I have never used it for almost 6 years.

I agree 100% that 60X60 is better. Recently I also had a question of choosing 45 or 60.The narrow one won over by saving space, but when I measured everything, it turned out that they had only a 15 cm difference. They took a large one, and never regretted it. Family of 4 people, PMM works once a day.

Girls, at least I was the owner of PMM not so long ago, but I can say and also confirm that the machine should be (if there is room) at 60cm.
Initially, I wanted a full-size one, although the men did not understand at all, I'm so big for a fig, but now for myself, I also wash it once a day, in the evening, during the day we collect everything, and then in the late afternoon, after dinner, everything is mine. And the truth is that even everything does not fit, waiting for a queue, but imagine if it's narrow ??? And when there were guests for the holiday, while they were kind of smoking, I launched the program and washed everything, well, if someone was unbearable, then I washed it with pens. My program does not always wash efficiently for 30 minutes, there is no drying on it, I tried it once .... well, what can I say, it's just "I ate and washed", as it was written, and if something stuck, it may not wash, although you need to experiment

I also wanted to ask about the protesters, what kind of coasters are there?
in order to wash the baking sheet, it is imperative to remove the upper basket (although it can be adjusted in height, it still does not fit)

I also chose only with a nozzle for washing trays .. what can I say - I used it 2 times - troublesome! you need to remove (and store somewhere until the baking sheets are washed) the upper basket, put it on, then remove the attachment, return the basket ... Now everything is much easier - I just put them on top of the plates or glasses - even in the upper, more often in the lower basket and everything is perfectly washed !!!!! if not too burnt. I also put usually large pans of d- 30 cm on top and generally load it to the eyeballs (somehow I counted 76 items !!! After all, this is how electro-hydro and other resources are saved, including wear of machine parts and just detergents, and I like to save !
I have Siemens for 12 sets. with different bells and whistles that I do not use, 4 adults in the next. since I would have chosen a simpler one, but only by 60 cm!

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No, it's awful! The big one does not fit, the small pans do not fit .... For the price of a big one, that small is the same. There are a bunch of manufacturers and each promises super-economy of everything! So I’ve read it here too! The husband says: Choose something already. And I don't want something, I want a good one. Help me choose, please. Requirements for PMM - we are 3 people, connection to cold water, there is no place for a full-length one. Who uses a similar PMM, please respond!

I have a small desktop Boshik of the new models! Designed for 6 sets of dishes. Copes with everything perfectly!

Well, six sets are only written on the instructions :) To stuff so many there is a feat. But in a full-size Siemens I manage to stuff a griller with a huge pan and a lot of other things in addition to a heap of tableware :) True, there are 2 people in the kitchen and there are no more places.

Personally, I would never trade my 60 cm for anything for 45.
I even donated cupboards in the kitchen, if only the big dishwasher would get up.

Girls, I had the opportunity to put the PMM when I also refused one bedside table, while we moved the refrigerator, which now slightly interferes with us in the aisle, BUT even after that I only climbed 45 cm PMM.At the same time, I am happy as an elephant , I don't even care whether the refrigerator is interfering with me or not. Here you already know, either you are with a PMM at 45 or you continue to wash everything with your hands.Yesterday my husband told me that his dream had come true - on the weekend we had breakfast, everything was loaded and left, and the dishes would wash themselves! Before that, on weekends he washed the dishes before going out and tried to never leave anything dirty, my husband hates this.

I manage to push a lot of things in my 45 cm. My last couple of days twice a day. Why be upset if washing twice a day? I am glad that I remembered the existence of the PMM in time, part of the work is done for me. So everyone who is still thinking, make up your mind!

I plan to buy a PMM, only 45 will fit into the kitchen. The question that worries me a lot: will a flask from an airfryer Hotter classic fit into such a PMM

I don't have an airfryer, but I can measure the height from the bottom to the top of the wallet ...
I have Ariston. In the standard position it is no higher than 26 cm, in the raised position no higher than 30 cm

[luk23]

I plan to buy a PMM, only 45 will fit into the kitchen. The question that worries me a lot: will a flask from an airfryer Hotter classic fit into such a PMM

luk23 , welcome to the forum! I have a narrow PMM Beko and a Hotter airfryer (flask width 33cm, height 17cm). Comes in perfectly !! (y) The only thing is that my lower transverse grilles are folded.

And mine does not add up, but the 4.5-liter Zetper saucepan fits with a bang!

And mine does not add up, but the 4.5-liter Zetper saucepan fits with a bang!

A hotter's flask, in my diameter, will be larger than a saucepan

You asked about height, not diameter

No, I didn’t ask about the height, I asked if it would fit? The dimensions were announced, see above "(flask width 33cm, height 17cm)" Because I can't imagine sticking it vertically or horizontally.
I understand that Omela puts it horizontally

No, I didn’t ask about the height, I asked if it would fit? The dimensions were announced, see above "(flask width 33cm, height 17cm)" Because I can't imagine sticking it vertically or horizontally.
I understand that Omela puts it horizontally

I specially measured my dishwasher for you (45cm), without lifting or removing anything, an object 36 * 31cm fits in right away. Items in the dishwasher are placed upside down, slightly on their side.

I specially measured my dishwasher for you (45cm), without lifting or removing anything, the item 36 * 36cm fits in right away. Items in the dishwasher are placed upside down, slightly on their side.

Thank you all very much for your help, you dispelled all my doubts !!!

I understand that Omela puts it horizontally

I put the flask upside down naturally, evenly. It fits even if the cross bars are not folded. But it's better to fold it, then it clearly rises to the bottom! And in general, these lattices are very convenient for any large-sized dishes!

In my baby Ardo 3201, an object with the following dimensions can fit: height 25 cm, diameter 35 cm.This will work if, of course, you fold the lattices for the plates

The flask from the airfryer goes into the PM measuring 45 cm. My flask is in the lower basket, bottom up. If space permits, it is better to take a full-size one (60 cm). I have 45 cm in a city apartment, and 60 cm in a country house.

Personally, I would never trade my 60 cm for anything for 45.
I even donated cupboards in the kitchen, if only the big dishwasher would get up.

I support !!!! When choosing, I went to look at the narrow ones, I immediately realized that there was nothing to catch with my appetites) I like to shove EVERYTHING into the PMM! Of course, much more dishes will fit in 60 cm, if we talk about large-sized things, then in 45 cm Mona stick something large, but only one big thing, and then a lot of things will fit)

My PMM is 45 cm 4 years old. Long ago I decided that the next one will be only 60 cm. We are 2 adults and 2 small children. I launch the PMM 1-2 times a day. Often you have to "play Tetris" by fitting the dishes into the machine. But my mother has 3 adults, PMM 45 cm is idle. They run it once a month, I guess. They are faster with pens, although a top-class Bosch machine washes, respectively, perfectly.

And I have a 45 cm wide typewriter for a year, but I would have nowhere to put a larger width typewriter :) And if there is a place, why not 60 cm?

Well, if there is no place, at least get involved - there is still nowhere to put. And if the question is like: either 45 or 60, then definitely take 60 (if you use it, and not like my parents - if only it was)

My PMM is 45 cm 4 years old. Long ago I decided that the next one will be only 60 cm.

Likewise!
And I will find 15 cm, even if I need to donate something from the furniture. I really miss the opportunity to place a large cauldron, a couple of pots, not to mention the flask of the airfryer, along with the plates. I don't like this washing twice.

Thank you for sharing your emotions and impressions! So you read the five pages of the forum - and it seems that you have had a dishwasher all your life The forum helps a lot to deal with every unknown device and make the right choice And I will find where to put 60 cm - there is a place in the bathroom ... I just don't know if it will be convenient - to hang around? Now I measured the kitchen and looked at the piping - in principle, you can squeeze in 60 cm. I will read on and think.

Masha, at the slightest exploration work carried out in the kitchen, poke PMM only there. No need to go to the bath

Masha, at the slightest exploration work carried out in the kitchen, poke PMM only there. No need to go to the bath

Agree!!! The dishwasher will not be used there, because unloading it will become a real punishment.

: girl_skakalka: The second stage of research showed that one of the walls in the kitchen was made of plaster or something non-concrete. In general, if I dig 2 holes in the wall - one behind the PMM, the second in the corner near the sewer pipe - then the problem of placing the hoses can be easily solved. True, they will walk in the corridor, but it's not scary. And I'll push the refrigerator into the aisle a little. There is no other way - I have been assembling the kitchen (and still adding it) since the summer "to the size" of the room - not a centimeter of gap remained between the cabinets and the wall.
It remains to choose the model and detergent ...

Now I measured the kitchen and looked at the piping - in principle, you can squeeze in 60 cm. I will read on and think.

Yes, it's not so scary if it is 45cm. I have already had a PMM 45cm for 10 years, it suits me perfectly. In general, of course, you need to look at the composition of the family. If there are a lot of people and everyone is at home all day, then of course 60 is better. But you can turn it on twice, if that ... For me, when everyone is at work all day, it happens that I do not start it every day. I would not, to the detriment of other conveniences, look for an opportunity to squeeze in exactly 60.

I have an identity of 45cm. And I include for the most part 1 \ 2 downloads.

Yes, it's not so scary if it is 45cm.

I support. Don't bomb the kitchen, put 45 on it.

In fact, all the hoses are run under the plinth of the kitchen furniture, so you don't need to punch holes in the walls. And there is also a place for hoses in the back - with hoses, it will not be wider than kitchen furniture.

I really wanted a dishwasher today, when I was washing the dishes that had accumulated over the week. throw in the MV, eat and fall on the bed from fatigue. The husband also works all day and has no energy left for household chores. Thank you MV, HP and AG for working for me!
With the hoses, it turns out like this: the PMM will stand with the refrigerator with the letter G in relation to the kitchen cabinets, leaving the approach to the sink about 40 cm.I did not plan it at all 2 years ago, so I built a kitchen-wall with a single countertop. Here ... But then I began to receive bills like Ncube. m. * 120 rubles = If it goes on like this, then the price of a dishwasher will no longer seem so heavy to me