Dishwasher selection (2)

We also thought about the drain, my husband checked, said it should drain normally ... And my short washes are good, only this foam I even tried it on my tongue In general - miracles and more!

I have a Bosch SMS EO2 R \ 32, 60 cm, German assembly (see the first three letters - this is the code of the country where the car was assembled). My short program, after 29 minutes I take out clean, hot, squeaky dishes. Somat powder or finish. The master who installed the machine told me that the quality of washing and the lifespan of the pump (motor) depends on the length of the hoses (the longer, the more difficult it is for the pump) and even at what angle-loop the machine drains water into the sewer. Remember the school physics course - the height of the water column, pressure, Bernoulli's law of communicating vessels. The dog may be buried here, but the car may not have to do with it. In any case, you need to show the car to the master.

I report: I talked with my husband - drainage, connection and length of hoses, water supply, pressure - everything is correct and normal. Freshly washed dishes are clean, without streaks! There is no powder residue on the door! But at the bottom there is still a little foam ... Well, what is this? I think that these are traces of a rinse aid, on a short run it foams, and then it slowly melts. I again tasted it on my tongue - absolutely without any taste. Probably, on longer programs, the foam has time to melt and it is not visible, in the same place the temperature is higher than A in the container for the powder, perhaps I have a spring or jam, or I sometimes click it inaccurately Then powder streaks remain on the door. These are the conclusions I made with your help. My darling calmed down, my assistant washes beautifully (or was she scared that I washed her bones on the forum?) And I don't think it's necessary to pay attention to the foam, what do you think? Once again, I thank everyone who responded!

[mylik.sv]

mylik.sv, 1) a teaspoon of detergent is not enough. If you wash greasy dishes, you need a heaped tablespoon. Otherwise, this fat will settle somewhere inside the machine forever. Conventional cleaning products can remove limescale deposits, so don't rely on them.
2) Do not get carried away only with short programs, you should at least sometimes run the hottest program with the maximum amount of detergent. For a typewriter, this is the best prevention of "prostatitis".
3) Foam is the result of a chemical reaction between rinse aid and detergent residues. This is how the aquasensor works. If he decides that the dishes are clean enough this time after the first wash, the machine skips an intermediate rinse. Thus, as much as 2.5 liters of water are saved.
4) The detergent is not completely washed off - the compartment must be dry before loading. And do not overload the front of the upper basket with dishes. The nozzle at the end of the upper rocker arm may also be clogged. It is the jet that washes away the powder.

Thanks Jefry for the advice! 1 tbsp. l. with a heap of powder - that's wow! I thought that if we minimize the amount of detergent, then it is safer for health ... After all, the dishes were washed until they squeak! And I usually used the IVF program or 65 degree. I really made the upper basket tightly in front, I will take into account, thanks! I was also advised that the latch on the detergent container may not work well and leak water. Then the powder gets wet and does not wash out all of the container. We must also check. Is the foam on the bottom of the car safe for your health or should you rinse it by hand? By the way, when after a short time I run the add. rinsing, it seems to me that the foam is not diminishing ... This is what I worry about the most and very rarely, therefore, I use a short program.

Is the foam on the bottom of the car safe for your health or should you rinse it by hand?

for safety reasons I do not use rinse aid at all
Therefore, I would be looking for what is the reason for the foam at the bottom, if I had not found it, then again .. excluded the rinse aid

for safety reasons I do not use rinse aid at all
Therefore, I would be looking for what is the reason for the foam at the bottom, if I had not found it, then again .. excluded the rinse aid

Rinse aid is just needed in order to neutralize the remaining detergent. It's like washing your hair with only shampoo and not using conditioner ...

Rinse aid is just needed in order to neutralize the remaining detergent. It's like washing your hair with only shampoo and not using conditioner ...

in my PMMK after washing, there are two rinses (preliminary and main) .. in my opinion this is enough to wash off the detergent powder and neutralize everything
And I use a hair conditioner so that the hair would be easier to comb and so that it would not be hard (I dye it in light) but not in order to neutralize the shampoo, if the hair was soft after the shampoo, then it would be a conditioner I would not use

but these are my personal troubles
IMHO
Shl the dishes creak from cleanliness and I have not seen a single divorce, including on glasses ... Well, sometimes water droplets are present, but it does not bother me at all

Hello, dear members of the forum! please respond, those who have PMM Bosch SPS53M08RU and Electrolux ESF 45055 XR. What are their pros and cons? I choose between these two models. Thanks in advance for your help

Girls! help out! you need a machine up to 15 tons. R. Here I looked closely at the Zanussi ZDF 3010. Can someone tell you what about it? or advise in the price range up to 15 t. p. freestanding not narrow so that soap and dries well

Another vending machine BEKO DIN 5833. Who will say what about it?

Girls! help out! you need a machine up to 15 tons. R. Here I looked closely at Zanussi ZDF 3010. Can someone tell you what about it? or advise in the price range up to 15 t. p. freestanding not narrow so that soap and dries well

I have Zanussi ZDS 304. I have been using it for over 1 year. I am very satisfied, no problem. Works a little noisy, they say that all Zanussis are like that. I usually do my dishes at night, so no problem.

Also tell me about the number of sets - how many is enough for a family of 3 people? I can't decide how many sets to take ...

Do not take a narrow one, plates will always come in, but pots, trays, pans. bowls, glasses and containers from under kitchen utensils, as well as baking sheets. bowls from under salads in a narrow not always includes everything. My daughter and I each have a 60 cm Bosch, so every day to the eyeballs. In general, go to Flylady's website, there is the most extensive branch on dishwashers in the topic "Things that we help"I personally spent a whole week on this site, after which I bought two Boshiks of 60 cm each, and I do not regret at all about the choice, and the time spent studying information from the owners of PMM of all manufacturers and models. Creamy

Also tell me about the number of sets - how many is enough for a family of 3 people? I can't decide how many sets to take ...

If the kitchen area allows, take a bigger car. I had no place in the kitchen at all, for the sake of a dishwasher I eliminated a cabinet 45 cm wide.

Our kitchen, thank God, allows you to put 60 - it's good for 16 square meters ... our budget is limited - 13-14 thousand maximum ... I ordered a Beko 5833 dishwasher in the online store - and they brought not white, but a metallic color - the piper was upset .... in the picture, as she assured me, with a white plastic front door - and the installation came as an afterthought without a facade .... so I think it can already choose some other model?

[Yulia74-01]

Yulia74-01, but what is the width of the car, inside it is all in stainless steel, or is there plastic?

Veko has 60 width, if you will let me give that link 🔗 only now it is not like in the photo, but just a complete installation came

That the kitchen was bombed, I realized. Is there a new kitchen with facades now? And there is nowhere to take another facade, the same as that of the kitchen, only for the installation of a dishwasher? If so, then it is better to re-order to change it to a solo-freestanding one, as we originally wanted.

Veko has 60 width, only now it is not like in the photo, but just completely built-in

You have not looked at the DESCRIPTION and CHARACTERISTICS, it says that it is completely built-in. You weren't careful!
But there is a law on consumer rights, which says that you can return an unused purchase within 14 days without giving any reason.

You have not looked at the DESCRIPTION and CHARACTERISTICS, it says that it is completely built-in. You weren't careful!
But there is a law on consumer rights, which says that you can return an unused purchase within 14 days without giving any reason.

No, maybe I didn't explain it that way .... in general, it should have been Beko 5833 - it is white, and Veko 5833 Extra came - it is gray ..... Here on Yandexmarket - it is indicated that it is embedded and the seller on the website is partially embedded - yes and the seller assured that it would be right exactly as in the picture ..... The typewriter simply did not take away from the store and that's it (((

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But there is a law on consumer rights, which says that you can return an unused purchase within 14 days without giving any reason.

Not certainly in that way. Just for information:

4. The consumer has the right to refuse the goods at any time prior to transmission, and after the transfer of the goods - within seven days.

When, if information on the procedure and timing for returning the goods of good quality was not provided in writing at the time of delivery of the goods, the consumer has the right to refuse the goods within three months from the date of transfer of the goods.

Return of goods of good quality is possible if its presentation, consumer properties are preserved ...

Hello!! So I decided to write, just no longer have the strength to remain silent !!! First of all, I want to thank you all very much, everyone who is directly involved in the life of this forum, because it is thanks to you that I make the right choice more than once, please do not stop helping)))
Well, now on the topic: it was thanks to you that I chose my assistant this CENTURY DSFN 6830 Extra, it just so happened that this is my third PMM, and I have something to compare with))) I'll say right away that I only use full-sized PMM, the first was of course bosh, the soap is excellent, but it also cost as much as 28 thousand, then it appeared through some manipulations (repair and the need to put up a rack) siemens which soap is not better but at a price ,,, (by the way, bosh still works for my mother), but it was also sold together with the apartment. And the question arose by itself)) we moved into a dilapidated house, a new house is being built, the budget is strictly limited)) Everyone began to scare, they say, um, it's just Bosch or Siemens, but nobody knows such a CENTURY, it is only known that this is Turkey. but after hours spent on your forum + a promotion in the DOMO online store I got it for 12,000 rubles. This is really the best price / quality ratio, but the fact that it is also for 15 people is generally a separate conversation, And it washes definitely no worse (or maybe even better) above the above-mentioned Boshes and Siemens + 8 programs, so if anyone thinks about choosing this PMM do not waste time and buy you will not regret

In March, before installing my new kitchen, I bought a PM installation, chose Bosch, of course, because before that I had a PM PM and I was not always happy with her, and many of my friends have Bosch and everyone is happy. But after going around the shops it turned out that Bosch is now only assembling China or Russia (for me then China is better) and the warranty is only 1 year and the sellers themselves say that the quality of Bosch has dropped dramatically, I had to look at others.models. As a result, I bought myself a Bauknecht - made in Germany, a 3-year warranty, many additional holes for water, etc. We use it every day, sometimes 2 times a day, size 60. Everything washes super, very happy with it. Very quiet and I don't even use the specials. night program, because it works so quietly.

I bought Bosch in April too (somewhere above there is a picture of the model) -assembly Germany! Came in a box, only Germany is marked everywhere.
But here's what I want to say .... for some reason, after a month of use, I don't have such a feeling of "WOW!" well, no, and that's it ..
Maybe because I have a lot of dishes that are unsuitable for washing in the PMM - I cook mainly in multicooker, and you can't put their pots in the machine, they will still peel off. All pans are ceramic. There are three of us in the family, so it turns out that my current is plates, mugs and glasses. Are there many of them? I think that even after the "festivities" I will not feel this feeling, for my festive service is also not for a typewriter

[Aunt Besya]

Aunt Besya, you are right, the pleasure of the dishwasher can be obtained when all the dishes used are suitable for washing in the PMM. The first victim fell. which I deliberately had to give up-cupronickel cutlery. I had to buy pretty stainless cutlery in 2-3 times the amount, almost a complete set, only fish knives are missing. Completely replace all pots, all pans., All trays, pots, pans, bowls - now I have stainless steel, half are professional dishes for restaurants. Quality stainless cookware is not a cheap pleasure. I bought a PMM Bosch for 27 thousand rubles, and spent much more on changing dishes.

Here is my new stainless steel cutlery set "Uralochka" instead of cupronickel.

Here is a close-up of a decor drawing set.

I had to change the copper Turk to stainless steel, buy stainless gravy boats, and buy a bunch of all kinds of different kitchen utensils, all in order to wash it all in the dishwasher.

And here is professional equipment for restaurants - a wide variety of gastronorm containers, I stew in them and bake in the oven. And of course, it's all great in the dishwasher.

We are also 3 people, but my PM works daily and is completely filled with dishes, although in the same way I have multicooker -2 and pots from them have to be washed by hand and pans only for manual washing, and plates are collected 15 pieces per day + various bowls and a ladle or a saucepan and cups and cups of 10-15 pieces, or mug, so I can't even imagine how I would manage without PM. Maybe you just need to get used to it?

I read everything, read and dream of PMM. It seems that there is enough space in the kitchen, and it will save me water (we have a small drain pit, it is expensive to pump out every month) and I hesitated to wash the dishes (my husband and I and 3 children), but I have no idea how I will collect dirty dishes in during the day, she dries up, got used to it, immediately rinsed it and that's it. But washing the dishes takes a lot of time, I can't see it anymore. Someone convince me how is this happening with you? Do you just collect dishes at the PMM during the day, and wash them in the evening? I'm afraid to buy and then regret it, there is no money anyway, if you take it, then only on credit.

If I had where to put the PMM in my old place of residence, I would have bought it on credit a hundred years ago - whatever, but I would have bought it.

Another thing is that there are individuals who enjoy washing dishes, so then you can think - take / not take.
And in our case - definitely take it - especially if you write that this dish is already bored

I like to wash a little, I like that something in my hands becomes clean - but I only love plates and mugs and that's it, this is where my love ends
In general, I just have no time to wash, I'd rather ride my bike once again after work than hunch over with these dishes and drain a mountain of hot water from the tank, from which then huge electricity bills.

I read everything, read and dream of PMM.It seems that there is enough space in the kitchen, and it will save me water (we have a small drain pit, it is expensive to pump out every month) and I hesitated to wash the dishes (my husband and I and 3 children), but I have no idea how I will collect dirty dishes in during the day, she dries up, got used to it, immediately rinsed it and that's it. But washing the dishes takes a lot of time, I can't see it anymore. Someone convince me how is this happening with you? Do you just collect dishes at the PMM during the day, and wash them in the evening? I'm afraid to buy and then regret it, there is no money anyway, if you take it, then only on credit.

I can collect for three days and nothing dries up or stinks, by the way too ..
I do not close the door tightly in the PMM, that is, there is some ventilation, so it does not stink .. and why it does not dry out I don’t know ...
so don't worry, the dishes won't dry out in one day ..
And given that you have three children, it is quite possible that you will run it 2 times a day (especially on weekends)

[Aunt Besya]

Aunt Besya, you are right, the pleasure of the dishwasher can be obtained when all the dishes used are suitable for washing in the PMM.

What dishes are not dishwasher-safe? I only know about a saucepan from a multicooker.

I'm just afraid that I won't make friends with her either, like Aunt Basya, I am also cancer. Now the children ate buckwheat, washed it, and that's it, but if you leave it ... As luck would have it, none of the acquaintances have at least a look at it live.
The husband gave the go-ahead for the purchase, now I would only decide on the model.

We must take. Just imagine that the time spent washing dishes can be spent with the kids or can be relaxed. There are also short programs, then you can wash immediately after each meal, there is a half load. I regret not having bought it earlier.

Anya take the dishwasher by all means, very cool weight, and I sometimes wash the pots from MV in it, while I'm alive, and crystal and glass. The main thing is that there is a supply of dishes (plates, forks and spoons, cups). Once a day, it’s a little expensive that you have to buy salt all the time, a pack goes away a month, but you are freed from washing dishes. And I think that a bunch of programs are useless, I only use one.

Well, salt and rinse aid goes out differently for everyone. It depends on the water. Some have little at all.

No, well, there is, of course, joy! Manicure lasts longer! Yesterday I cooked pork ribs in the oven, the grill and the tray, respectively, got used to it .. The machine washed everything to a shine! But my saucepans are Berhoff, near the bottom (in the second layer) a strip of such a copper color ... was ... turned white.
Anya, I like my model, I recommend it, but it is 45 cm.

And I have a question for connoisseurs: how often does the machine need to be washed with a special cleaning agent? And where to fill it? In the powder compartment?

And I have a question for connoisseurs: how often does the machine need to be washed with a special cleaning agent? And where to fill it? In the powder compartment?

Periodically, as it starts to stink, seriously enough, once every 2-3 months. I open the bottle with the finish, leaving the membrane intact, turn it upside down, put it in an empty PMM basket in the upper basket, turn on the hottest sink (70 * C)

[giraffe]

giraffe Anya and I are from the same city, so our water is about the same, hard. I checked with such a special thing, and it turned out that in Electrolux it was necessary to set it to the last level of hardness.

annnushka27, do you have a washing machine? if the answer is yes, then this is the same, but only for dishes. The fact is that you will not wash the dishes every minute, but you will simply put them in the PM and in the evening or, as you fill them, start the wash. You get used to good things very quickly, the main thing is to start using them.

Many thanks to everyone, decided, we will take it. The husband even ran around the kitchen with a tape measure, deciding which shelf to donate, even said that he would install it himself. It's just that there is space for 45 cm, but for 60 cm, the kitchen needs to be redone, so it remains to decide on the model. Yesterday I even went to local shops, but the choice is not great.
Julia, do you have 45 or 60 cm.?

try to put it on 60 cm, more pots and bowls will fit. it's like with a double-glazed window, most have one deaf door, and only one opens. and rarely does anyone have all the doors of double-glazed windows open, but how convenient it is to wash.

Anya, I thought that my husband had planned 60 cm, but in the end it turned out to be 45, of course enough, but for bulky things 60 is better. I just shoved it into my baking sheet, barely, but 1 cm was not enough

Julia, when we ordered the kitchen, we also asked to leave a place for the PMM, we were also left 45 cm, just then we did not have the Internet, and I did not understand dishwashers. It's just a shame, someone doesn't have enough space for 60s, but here the kitchen is almost 5 meters, but 15 cm is not enough.

45 cm is enough for me, a family of 5 people, on weekends I can run the machine 2 times, it does not bother me.

My kitchen is 5 meters too, but, you see, the taps for the underfloor heating should have been exactly in the place of those 15 cm that did not grab

My kitchen is 5 meters too, but, you see, the taps for the underfloor heating should have been exactly in the place of those 15 cm that did not grab

Julia, you won't believe me, I also, word for word., Only plus another pump for the boiler.

Here I will also duplicate the question - It is written in my PMM - every time I turn off the PMM after washing dishes from the water supply. I don’t know how to do this, when the tap with water is behind my built-in machine and in order to disconnect the dishwasher from the water, you need to take out 2 cabinets, and before that, freeing them from the contents. This is quite troublesome. Do I need to disconnect the PMM from the water supply every time? Or is it "caution" from the manufacturer?

[Grypana]

Grypana, I don't turn it off either. The tap is located in the nightstand under the sink, deep. I have a non-standard countertop size - 85 cm (Schaub was enough), so I climbed there twice, and broke off on the third. I drive the car every day, maybe it is necessary to turn off the tap for those who wash dishes on holidays?

[Diana]

Diana, and so I think - my washing machine was always open with water for about 5 years, now sometimes the pump began to run out. My husband says to me - the PMM needs to be turned off, this is also written in the instructions. But what about climbing under the table every day, taking out these boxes and the hand barely reaches the tap. The Kama Sutra turns out Now I'm thinking about whether to take the tap somewhere, or make it easier for myself - not to turn it off. But what if? So I turned to my favorite forum. At least I like your answer

It is very likely that the cold water pressure can break through the valve.
I had this with the washing machine, I forgot to block it after washing and hello - at 5 in the morning the downstairs neighbors started knocking out the door for us, but we could not understand when we were awake - for which reason my washing machine had immersed them decently.
On the last floors, the pressure of cold water is usually weak - you don't have to turn it off, otherwise it's better to stay out of harm's way.