Dishwasher selection (2)

FIRST PART
And I have an ARISTON, for 12 persons, a building. To be honest, I was so tormented with her. That washes badly, the blades are constantly clogged. I already buy the most expensive means. Once a month with a special tool I turn on the program, and I put the dishes at long intervals, and I remove the leftover food, but it doesn't matter, I'll wash it well today, but I won't tomorrow. What she lacks - I don't know. The husband has already said that the Italians-pasta technicians do not know how to do good. She makes me happy with clean dishes every other day. And then I check every time if the tablet fell down, or got stuck somewhere along the way. If I forget, it’s as if the dishes would be washed without means.

And I have an ARISTON, for 12 people, a building. To be honest, I was so tormented with her. That washes badly, the blades are constantly clogged ... My husband has already said that the Italians-macaroni technicians do not know how to do good equipment. She makes me happy with clean dishes every other day.

Yes, I probably agree with your husband's opinion. I have a whirlpool dishwasher, a freestanding full-size unit, no complaints for more than five years of operation. I have not heard any complaints about Bosch dishwashers.

And in general, now, when the machine is working, it has been the 2nd day of such noise. The blade hits the basket. At first I thought. that it clings to the dishes from below. It turned out that about the basket itself. I don’t understand why it was loose. I twist it to the very end, and she describes the eights. acts directly on the nerves.
The car is 2 years old, but soon, probably. will go to the landfill!
I will never wear my hands on Ariston again.

The car is 2 years old, but soon, probably. will go to the landfill!
I will never shake on Ariston again.

Here and there. After buying a BOSCH dishwasher and an Ariston washing machine, I changed to BOSCH. And you know, when I chose it in the store and asked the consultant to tell you more about it, in terms of its benefits, he said: "Well, you, BOSCH is BOSCH, what else to talk about."
Of course, I would change my small dishwasher to a large one, but firstly there is no place, and secondly, this one is very helpful, but I still think that over time I will try to free up space for a large one, but only BOSCH - no options.

Does anyone have AEG-Electrolux? I have a washing machine of this company - I am very satisfied. Not a cheap technique, so I want to know if this German-Italian hybrid is good at washing dishes

I have Zanuska for 5 years, pah pah pah, makes me happy every day, sometimes several times a day)).

[Mams]

I read the magazine "Consumer. Household Appliances". There, dishwashers were conditionally divided into three categories:

elite - Miele, AEG, Asko, Bauknecht, Gaggenau, Smeg

middle class - Bosch, Siemens, Electrolux, Brandt

economical - Whirlpool, Zanussi, Candy, Ariston, Indesit, Ardo, Gorenje

Mams, you can safely buy PMM AEG - this is the highest class.

[Mams]

I read the magazine "Consumer. Household Appliances". There, dishwashers were conditionally divided into three categories:

elite - Miele, AEG, Asko, Bauknecht, Gaggenau, Smeg

middle class - Bosch, Siemens, Electrolux, Brandt

economical - Whirlpool, Zanussi, Candy, Ariston, Indesit, Ardo, Gorenje

Mams, you can safely buy PMM AEG - this is the highest class.

It is interesting that Electrolux is absolutely identical to Zanussi. They are made in one place, the same models, only the stickers are different (I encountered this when I was buying a washing machine).

And I would not classify Whirlpool as an economical model at all. But experts probably know better.

In this article, economy models are also divided into affordable and slightly more expensive ones. In my opinion, any PMM (expensive or cheap) facilitates the work of the hostess many times over.And you just need to listen to the opinions of experts and not perceive them as dogma.

I wonder where they collect what now. I heard that Ariston, Indesit, Bosch, Siemens are assembled in Russia, maybe not the entire lineup and sub-assemblies of their own assembly. For the refrigerator Indesit, I want to tear my hands off.
The Candy washer has served faithfully for 10 years, almost every day and often with drying. The tank and drum were cleaned once and the "brains" were taken out, the dust was wiped off (it is located at the very bottom of the floor and is not very tightly covered with plastic), the contacts cleaned the seal from dust on the box and stuck it forward.
PMM Ardo, my baby is 45 cm, eats 20 ml of powder, plows like a tractor, except for large pots and pans, it's a pity to take their place. Very convenient adjustment of baskets and partitions. For 5 people -1 times a day. For crystal and glass, a special program washes everything without smudges and this is in Moscow water. When choosing it was important: size (45) and assembly (not Russia), well, the price too. A year ago, about 10,000 rubles.

I wonder where they collect what now. I heard that Ariston, Indesit, Bosch, Siemens are assembled in Russia, maybe not the entire lineup and sub-assemblies of their own assembly. For the refrigerator Indesit, I want to tear my hands off.

The seller in the "Electronic Paradise" on "Prazhskaya" told me that half of the equipment that is sold there was made in the Moscow region. Perhaps he was right after all.

PMM Miele is a standard, it is by them that the classes of washing, drying, energy consumption are "measured". Hence the price ... If I had money, I would not hesitate to take it. In the meantime, I am pleased with Bosch, full-sized and without any frills. What kind of miracle is AEG-Electrolux? In itself, both are good and the other is not bad. Why did they merge together?

What kind of miracle is AEG-Electrolux? In itself, both are good and the other is not bad. Why did they merge together?

They did not merge, they are just made by one concern "Electrolux".

"Electrolux" is also assembled in Russia in St. Petersburg.

And in general, now, when the machine is working, it has been the 2nd day of such noise. The blade hits the basket. At first I thought. that it clings to the dishes from below. It turned out that about the basket itself. I don’t understand why it was loose. I twist it to the very end, and she describes the eights. acts directly on the nerves.
The car is 2 years old, but soon, probably. will go to the landfill!
I will never shake on Ariston again.

You tell such passions. I also have Ariston for 12 sets, and nothing (in the sense, nothing like this was observed). This is not good with the blade, call the master, or see if the holes on one side are clogged ???.
My dishwasher does not wash sometimes dry pots that are poorly located, but everything is in order. Maybe the water pressure in your pipes is low (after all, there are instructions on the minimum pressure in the system for operation).
And I do not like using pills (this, among other things, is more expensive). I use powder, salt and rinse separately. Your water hardness may not match the amount of salt in the tablet, and the machine itself has a special regulator. In my case, even if the door for the detergent does not open during the washing process, all the powder is washed out from there.
I'm happy with the dishwasher ... except for one thing. Previously, other people (husband, mother, nanny, etc.) could wash the dishes, but now everyone pretended that this was too complicated a procedure, AND I ONLY LOAD THE DISHWASHER. (Every evening I scoop mountains of dishes from the sink)

Thank you all for your answers !!!!
And what is the noise level (dB) to be taken to be quieter. How are you?

I have an Ariston CIS LI 700 DUO. It seemed to be positioned as low-noise. But all the same, it is better to close the door to the kitchen at night. Although it doesn't bother me, I rarely wake up from an alarm clock. Baby never woke up though I close the doors every other day

Thank you all for your answers !!!!
And what is the noise level (dB) to be taken to be quieter. How are you?

While you are sitting in the kitchen, you can hear gurgling and groaning inside, but not much, for example, it does not bother me, on the contrary, it seems like you can hear what is working, and not silent.My washing machine works louder.

Anastasia, thank you for your feedback!
I know dishwashers like Ariston, Indesit, Zanussi - maybe it's just not a super dishwasher? All unanimously say that it is necessary to add practically clean dishes, and perhaps they simply do not know how to make dishes. Our local stores practically do not bring good equipment, everything is designed for economy class, I dream of buying a Bosch WAS 28740 OE washing machine - but no !!! They carry something that is cheaper and easier to sell. Here's the truth at the expense of the dishwasher is Bosch, I have no doubt, but I still doubt the washer. It is too electronic, probably more reliable than something simpler.

Viki
Unfortunately, I have a large one, for 12 sets, so I can't help. But UNEQUALLY TAKE BOSCH (just check that the assembly is German). I rushed between manufacturers for a long time, read a bunch of forums, because I am very sensitive to the choice of technology, but the conclusion is unambiguous - BOSCH.

I would like to recommend the company Zanussi from myself ... At one time the master advised me to this company, praising the quality and adaptation to our water. I have been using the Zanussi washing machine for at least 10 years and pah-pah - not a single breakdown has happened yet ... Half a year ago I bought a Zanussi ZDT 5195 dishwasher and so far I am very satisfied. Any pots and pans will fit into it, because when installed, it is very large - the top shelf rises. There is a snooze timer (convenient for those who have a two-rate counter and go to bed early). There are three of us too, and 45cm is enough ...

I would like to recommend the company Zanussi on my own ... At one time, the master advised me to this company, praising the quality and adaptation to our water. I have been using the Zanussi washing machine for at least 10 years and pah-pah - not a single breakdown has happened yet ... Half a year ago I bought a Zanussi ZDT 5195 dishwasher and so far I am very satisfied. Any pots and pans will fit into it, because when installed it is very large - the top shelf rises. There is a snooze timer (convenient for those who have a two-rate counter and go to bed early). There are three of us too, and 45cm is enough ...

All models now have a timer.
And I have a big disappointment from Zanussi (aka Electrolux). 7 years old - it's time to landfill (washer with dryer).
So it is impossible to name a flawless company unequivocally. We all have breakdowns.

And what is yours? You're happy?

I forgot to write. I have Ariston, though still of Italian assembly.
From serious breakdowns - 1 time was, the ten exploded.
Of the frivolous - instead of dishwasher detergent, I threw in ordinary dishwashing liquid, the aquastop worked, and I thought it was broken

All models now have a timer.
And I have a big disappointment from Zanussi (aka Electrolux). 7 years old - it's time to landfill (washer with dryer).
So it is impossible to name a flawless company unequivocally. We all have breakdowns.

And what this company produced 10 years ago cannot be compared in quality with what it produces now. Alas. On the contrary, I heard very bad reviews from my acquaintances, users, on the current production of Zanussi dishwashers. Also, by inertia, looking at their old equipment from this company, they bought and were unhappy - less than a year later, they had to turn to the service.
By the way, I also found an opinion article on this topic. It is also interesting to read, although it is large. Lies 🔗

By the way, I also found an opinion article on this topic. It is also interesting to read, although it is large. Lies 🔗

I'm not a fan of the electrolux, but in my opinion the article is either custom or delusional. I had a case with the warranty and post-warranty service, no problems arose.
And the cost of spare parts is also nonsense. When the dishwasher was repaired to me, then the master leaves the packaging. I read it - it says that this spare part can be used in models of a number of manufacturers, I don’t remember by name now, but ariston, indesite, aeg, it was rather annoying. That is, one and the same spare part, at the same price, can be used in machines from different companies.

I watched BOSHI today. There is a German assembly. All with the possibility of embedding. Quite good prices. There is where to put the tabletop, but it is very small and the washing class B, drying C. Large for 9 sets A-A and energy consumption A. While we crawl around the kitchen with a centimeter, it does not fit in

BOSCH model SRV 55TO3 EU 45 cm. With drying - German assembly. The quality is excellent. All indicators A A A.
You can order in Moscow, if you need a phone number. Affordable price for such a device and native assembly.

Girls, I read about the German assembly (though not PMM, but washing). I quote: "... some of the models are assembled in Germany by emigrant engineers from Turkey and Poland. Of course, manual assembly is not a conveyor belt, but a Turkish specialist is also not a Swedish master. Plus a margin of 30-40% ..."

Girls, I read about the German assembly (though not PMM, but washing). I quote: "... some of the models are assembled in Germany by emigrant engineers from Turkey and Poland. Of course, manual assembly is not a conveyor belt, but a Turkish specialist is also not a Swedish craftsman. Plus a margin of 30-40% ..."

Girls - but it's still a German assembly! And the technique itself bears the stamp "made in Germany".
Yes, it is more expensive, the wages of workers in Germany are more expensive than in China, you have to pay for the stamp, suppliers take, etc. But, this is German assembly and German quality control, and the Germans are Germans, they love quality and accuracy very much.
I have a native German washing machine Miele, so all the iron inside is made of 18/10 steel - what is it like? And the quality guarantee for it is 25 years. And you can reprogram and so on. Plows like a good tractor.

Admin, this quote applies exactly to Miele washing machines.

Yana, it seems to me that the point is not in what nationality the workers are, but in what country the assembly is carried out - a different system of quality control. It's one thing in a distant country with a supervising worker who doesn't care much about the trial - the head is still far away, another thing is in the home country under the noses of the owners.

Girls,
I had a dishwasher master today,
I stuck to him, which cars break the least.
He says that he cannot say that some brands break less often or more often than others, any ones have to be repaired.
The difference, as he said, is that, for example, there are no problems with spare parts for Bosch, and for Merloni (Indesite, Ariston and others like them) you can wait 2 months for spare parts.
Conclusion - everything breaks down. But something can be repaired faster, and something else - to wait 2 months.

Again, in each city these problems are different ... In one there are no problems with spare parts for Bosch, in the other for Ariston ...

I wonder what breaks in them more often? I mean all PM. Pump, heating or brains?

I wonder what breaks in them more often? I mean all PM. Pump, heating or brains?

like everyone else I don’t know, but mine has heating elements (after 5 years of work), electronics (after 7 years of work)

In my washing machine from Ariston, the engine flew a year later, and after seven - the bearing. For the repair of the first, we paid 3 thousand (although it was a long time ago, there may be a difference in prices), and for the repair of the second - 2 thousand.
Now I have both a Bosch washing machine and a dishwasher and so far everything is in order.

While my "brown" iron was being disassembled to identify the cause of the breakdown in RemBytTechnik, I walked around the reception hall, where there were all kinds of broken household appliances (and refrigerators and dishwashers and machines and vacuum cleaners and steamers .....). So, for the sake of fun, I began to study what is there more, in the sense of which companies' products ... So, BEKO and Candy became the absolute leader. Minimum - Hansa (2 washers) and Zanussi (1 washer and 1 PM seems to be). In our city in this office, all firms are repaired except LG, Samsung (they have a separate service, there was also - there are more washing machines and LCD monitors than LG, and more refrigerators than Samsumng). Here ...

oh ho ho, my grave sins ((
They just repaired my dishwasher for 7 plus thousand (2 boards + work).
I'm glad, of course, that she washes me again, but now I think with horror that she's on the trail. times will break.

Speaking of dishwashers Who has ARDO LS-9205E? Share your impressions. I want to ask my husband, but I need to argue

Speaking of dishwashers Who has ARDO LS-9205E? Share your impressions. I want to ask my husband, but I need to argue

I have Ariston 685, so I'm not happy. One of the advantages is that you can set the top or bottom baskets separately to wash. I do not regret at all that I overpaid compared to the model below the row.

Now I have a Whirlpool dishwasher 6th sense. Just super! It works very quietly, perfectly washes dishes. Takes little salt.
Before that, there was Bompani - an analogue of Ardo - rumbled like a tractor. The soap was not bad, the salt only had time to fall asleep! The computer broke down in it - on the board it was written Ardo. She worked for 7 years. I decided not to repair it, which I do not regret at all, because I just cannot get my name on my Virpulochka! This is a different class machine. The difference between them is like between BMW and Zhiguli. Both drive, but ...........

Yesterday I saw a Hansa dishwasher in the store. She has all the insides exactly the same as my Kaiser, which means very uncomfortable baskets for dishes.

My Indesit IDE 44 EU washes dishes well, but the display from the very beginning began to show only the upper part of the time digits until the end of the program, the power off button flew out a couple of times and the facade over these several years (4 or 5) peeled off a little.

Today my husband and I went to the store to see the dishwashers live. Well, we learned so many different things on the forum that such a need is ripe. And what do you think? I feel completely stupid ... the VEKO, which I was interested in (as well as the similar Electrolux), did not fit me in size: it will stick out from under the countertop by a couple of centimeters. I, of course, fell into a trance. Somehow I was already morally tuned in to an inexpensive model, but here ... The husband, however, is tuned in to any one. They began to look and I was hooked by ASKO. Please, if anyone knows anything about this brand and its models, share information: good and certainly not very good. My husband is already worn out with my tossing with the dishwasher and is ready to buy anything, if only I lagged behind him.

[mish]

mish

strange, why doesn't Beko stand up under the countertop, I got it up perfectly, taking into account the fact that we had an unsuccessful outlet, it sticks out because of this, the dishwasher does not stand in the stop ... but it still does not stick out
are you sure you won't get up

milena20111984, I'm sure. We still argued with the seller for a long time, because he even had something else written on the price tag than the information on the internet. Then we climbed and measured, well, yes ... a couple of centimeters climbs, but I don't want the dishwasher facade to protrude above all the other facades. But ASKO definitely fits - any. I already love her, as I saw, and I want to! Only the price - like the Boshiks, decent. So I want to hear experienced members of the forum. Tell me not to burst again, or is this brand decent ?!

mish ASKO is a good company that produces finances, my mother was vacationing with a friend in Finland for a month and said that she had a dishwasher of this company and she was very happy with it.

[mish]

mishAsko Cylinda AB is part of the Antonio Merloni Group, one of the largest manufacturers of household appliances in Europe, with a turnover of EUR 1 billion and a staff of approximately 4.5 thousand people. The Antonio Merloni Group has more than 10 factories, which are located mainly in Italy and Scandinavia, and operates in 30 countries around the world. 🔗 🔗 Antonio Merloni Group is ARDO technology. Plants: Sweden, Kulinda plant. Finland, UPO Plant. Italy, Ardo plant., Italian technology is better in quality than Turkish

did not fit me in size: it will stick out from under the countertop by a couple of centimeters.

For some reason, from the simplicity of my soul, I believed that dishwashers, especially built-in units, are available in standard sizes. "Especially inset" it concerns the height. If freestanding legs extend by a maximum of 2.5 cm, just to align it horizontally, then in normal full-constructions up to 5 cm. You can ask what kind of model it is that "into any gate ..."?