Choosing a dishwasher

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I left the rinse aid at the factory, because it was written there that it should be changed only if the washing quality is unsatisfactory, but the hardness has decreased

I use Mazilla.
Aunt Basya, where is the salt to be regulated? And how do you know if you need to do this?

I called us from the SES and asked how much stiffness we have, they told me the numbers, I looked at the instruction book, it turned out that it was necessary to put on "2", it is regulated in the settings. If necessary, I will find a manual tomorrow and write. There, all the settings are adjustable (signal volume, water hardness, light indication, additional drying, etc.) Or I will scan it, although my scanner is fooled

It would be great! I will wait

Opened! The model is a little different, but I will study and try. Only tomorrow Thank you

I have exactly the same design for the detergent as Aunt Basi, I put the tablet in the container for the powder, and pour the gel there, during the washing process the container opens and the tablet falls into the mesh on the top shelf, it never even occurred to me put the pill straight into the mesh, maybe I'm not right ...

maybe I'm wrong ...

The rights. But on programs without a pre-rinse there is no difference.

Finally we spent all the pills of the Chinese finish. In Metro I bought tablets (2 in 1) and Fine Dreaming mouthwash for testing. Rinse aid made in Germany, tablets - from Italy. I set the rinse aid dose to 3 (out of 6) and in your favorite auto mode at full load. The result is pleasing. First, the smell is a light, subtle scent, in contrast to the heavy smell after the finish. For the first time spoons and forks are not wet. Everything was well washed.
I have never seen anything about this remedy. And just on the Internet about this company - single information, and even then not about that. Mostly about cosmetic items.
So I tried it and I'm satisfied. I can recommend. True, there is no such thing anywhere except Metro.

I'm reading the topic For a beginner, tell on your fingers what you need to pour (like powder into a washing machine), and what to choose (like fabric softener)? About the salt - of course, I'll go and see what is in the stores. But other? Tomorrow I will go through the nearest supermarkets, rewrite what they sell there and then to you - for advice And another question about enzymes: they seem to be safer and wash dishes just as well, is it worth choosing a detergent based on their presence in the product?

everything is needed - salt, conditioner and detergent.

there are also deodorants - they are optional.

[Pills:]

So, I managed to go only to 2 stores, tomorrow I'm going to Auchan and Family Magnet. But I don't think there will be anything special there. Here's what I saw:
Pills:
1) Somat (multi, multi-perfect), 2) FeedBack, 3) Lotta Premium 7-in-1, 4) Ikeep all-in-1, 5) Finish (aka Calgonite, there are different: all-in-1 , Quantum, Classic, Power Ball, shine + express, shine + dry), 6) Ecover, 7) Sodasan, 8) O'Key, 9) Greenfield, 10) Clean & Fresh, 11) Frau Gretta 9-in-1.
Powders:
1) Finish (Classic, or with lemon), 2) Somat (soda effect), 3) Fray Gretta 9-in-1, 4) Sodasan, 5) Crystal Fix.
Conditioners:
1) Sodasan Bio, 2) Luxus, 3) Calgonite (Finish shine + express), 4) Frau Gretta 2-in-1.
Gel and Salt:
Finish and some other salt, I forgot to write it down ...

What to buy from this or not take anything at all? Please advise. I would like to quickly test the typewriter, and then slowly finish the topic.

[Oca]

Oca You understand that everything is purely subjective here. Someone likes something, while others do exactly the opposite. I use Finish gel (it is more gentle to the dishes compared to powder) and Finish salt. I have never used pills. Take any remedy for trial and you will proceed from your personal feelings.

Come! It is for sale in O'Key and Tabris. If you really need it, I can buy it and send it by mail.I didn't have time to read everything in the topic, so I wanted to know what to buy categorically. It is more pleasant to learn from other people's mistakes, and even better - to learn from someone else's success

[Oca]

Oca - take the gel for the first time, otherwise the powders strongly wash the pattern out of the dishes, in Somat the powder is just a drop - exactly 1/3 of the soda! (I sifted and set aside this soda separately - for dishes that I do not mind).

As a rule, the gel is all-inclusive - both rinse aid and salt, so only gel is enough, rinse aid is not needed.
But buy salt anyway and pour it into the salt compartment, and the first run is empty without dishes only with salt.
In the machine, when washing with gel, do not forget to set the tablet mode.

wanted to know what categorically no way to buy. It is more pleasant to learn from other people's mistakes, and even better - to learn from someone else's success

Don't buy anything from Sodasan!

I poured apple cider vinegar instead of the rinse aid, someone advised, so my machine stopped displaying the "error" on the display, apparently it stopped clogging ...

[Pills:]

So, I managed to go only to 2 stores, tomorrow I'm going to Auchan and Family Magnet. But I don't think there will be anything special there. Here's what I saw:
Pills:
1) Somat (multi, multi-perfect), 2) FeedBack, 3) Lotta Premium 7-in-1, 4) Ikeep all-in-1, 5) Finish (aka Calgonite, there are different: all-in-1 , Quantum, Classic, Power Ball, shine + express, shine + dry), 6) Ecover, 7) Sodasan, 8) O'Key, 9) Greenfield, 10) Clean & Fresh, 11) Frau Gretta 9-in-1.
Powders:
1) Finish (Classic, or with lemon), 2) Somat (soda effect), 3) Fray Gretta 9-in-1, 4) Sodasan, 5) Crystal Fix.
Conditioners:
1) Sodasan Bio, 2) Luxus, 3) Calgonite (Finish shine + express), 4) Frau Gretta 2-in-1.
Gel and Salt:
Finish and some other salt, I forgot to write it down ...

Wow assortment! I have never met this in one place.
I used Frau Grett's 9-in-1 pills, I have a good opinion of them, but we only had them on sale once ..
The Finish salt is used very quickly, it is very fine, like dust, I don't know how it is for the car itself.
I use Finish Shine + Express rinse, quite satisfied.

[Pills]

I continue to scoff I was in Auchan and Magnet, in addition to those already listed above, I found others. I was not too lazy to rewrite
Pills:
1) Top house 6-in-1, 2) Olinka 3-in-1, 3) CleanOk 5-in-1, 4) Forsege 10-in-1, 5) Aqua Bell, 6) Sun, 7) Ludwik, 8) Claro 7-in-1.
Powders:
1) Bravix, 2) Claro, 3) Ludwik, 4) Sun.
Conditioners:
1) Bravix, 2) Sun, 3) CleanOk, 4) Ludwik.
Salt:
1) Sanit, 2) Claro.
And how can I - a full teapot - choose among these multi-colored packages ?! I counted 60 different bags and boxes!

I recalculated the unit cost of 1 gram (milliliter) of the product right in the store, looked at what was marked as “buy” and “not buy” in the notebook, and chose the following: Sanit salt 2 kg at 47p05k each, Bravix powder 2 kg at 297p00k each, Bravix rinse 500ml for 71r00k. Right or wrong - the future will tell. The powder says "contains active oxygen". I hope that the cheapest salt is not much worse than Kalgonit's salt (which is 90 re for 1.5 kege). Here .... tomorrow I'll go to screw the purchased pipes and adapters. Before that, you can have time to warn me that I bought the garbage, then I will not fill it in the PMM.

[Oca]

Oca , buy coarse salt, otherwise the fine one ends faster. This is noted by users on all forums. Take the cheapest coarse salt for the money.

I read Wasp's assortment and I just want to ask: "Who are you talking to now?" This is the assortment

I continue to scoff I was in Auchan and Magnet, in addition to those already listed above, I found others. I was not too lazy to rewrite

the choice is mind-blowing.
I was in the Megavsky Auchan a week ago, so there was just one or two ...
Take all Claro. We had the gel - we are very satisfied. If I came across Claro gel or tablets, I would buy. but there was not even salt. After washing, the fragrance is not felt at all.

Do not save on salt, the better it is, the better for the PMM itself in the first place.

And no one washes with Amveevsky tablets? what reviews?

Ludwik dishwasher products -
But the assortment of cleaners for the bath, for washing dishes by hand -

Thank you for your feedback! At the expense of salt - this is not enough for theory, experiments are needed. I do not always believe in the honesty of the manufacturer and the justification of the high price. There are few reviews about powder and tablets from Amway, but at the cost of a gram / tablet, these funds are on the list of the most expensive.Even if they wash just as well, should you choose them? I asked earlier - silence ...

Amway is a divorce firm. The point is to sell the same thing at a high price, suggesting that it is much better.
Choosing among the whole range, look at the barcodes and filter out china and turkey. From the rest, give preference to the developed countries of Europe. The range will narrow sharply

Sens, I washed it, I didn't like it 4 times (the gel was not on sale, but the pills were presented for the new year), the box is almost full, if you want to give it back, it just takes up space.

Wasted an hour fiddling under the sink and another hour reading the instructions. I started an empty machine, pouring only salt into it - all according to the manual for the machine. I set the hardness level = 1 in the PMM settings, as advised in the table that comes with the test strip. By the way, after the first dip in water for 1 second, the strip did not change color at all either after 5 or 10 minutes. Then I bathed it again for 10 seconds in water and only then began to change the color of one of the squares. Maybe the strip is expired, or I'm fine?

I ordered myself a dishwasher powder (packaged in doses) Grab Green on ayherb. First I tried free samples, I liked that the dishes were washed well, and the smell is just wonderful after washing. No comparison with the chemical smells of Finish and Somata ...: yes: There is only one (for me), but a noticeable minus - an expensive infection.

People, maybe someone knows, maybe it is that after they washed the silicone mold in the PMM, everything began to stick cruelly to it ... here I washed it with my hands, everything was fine, after the PMM, at least gnaw these cupcakes

[Suslya]

Suslya I learned this lesson long ago. I don’t wash silicone in the dishwasher, and neither do Teflon dishes. - falls with hands.

all the same PMM screwed up .. I don't wash Teflon either, no gel, only powder .. but now what to do? you can somehow revive the mold or everything .. in the trash

The dishwasher did not spoil, on the contrary, it copes with the task too well, and this turns out to be not always necessary. Do not wash in dishwasher anymore, oil before each use. I started using paper cups and put them in cupcake holders. I even like it better, you can not wash anything at all.

[Suslya]

Suslya, I also wash silicone molds by hand. I remember that there was an inscription in the instructions for Teskom's molds that it was allowed to be washed in the dishwasher, but it is necessary to lubricate these molds before use in order to avoid sticking.

Wort, lubricate with oil a couple of times and everything will be fine. Everything recovered for me.

I always grease the molds, just in case, but paper cannot be inserted, these are bears, my daughters are beloved, thanks to the girls for explaining, otherwise I broke my head straight while they were baking, they always went with a bang, but here there is a continuous dismemberment, paws separately, I will try to grease and bake the heads separately.

IMHO this is not the PMM's fault, but the means for it are painfully vigorous - they degrease too much. For a long time the girls said that a little oil in a mold would solve the problem.
I wash my Teflon - I want to change it for ceramics - nothing is done to him. Rather, the Tefalevskaya frying pan is nothing at all, and the other Moneta (it seems to be Italian) will climb outside, although it started almost immediately after the purchase, when I washed it only with my hands

I bought Finish powder, and now I bought a German Domol, in comparison I liked Domol more, it washes away plaque from tea on cups and broth on pots.

I didn’t like the Somat gel. It doesn’t wash cups from tea plaque at all, and it doesn’t wash transparent glass from strong coffee, and they remain yellowish. The rest of the dishes (plates, plastic) are washed well, fat is also well washed.

I didn’t like the Somat gel. It doesn’t wash cups from tea plaque at all, and it doesn’t wash transparent glass from strong coffee, and they remain yellowish.The rest of the dishes (plates, plastic) are washed well, fat is also well washed.

Is Somat powder good?

I don't know, I only used Finish powder and Finish tablets, we have no choice in the store.

Is Somat powder good?

He washes well, but it contains exactly 1/3 of the soda, he is not careful at all ... it will be noticeable in the plastic, the somat will quickly shrink it ... well, it seemed to me that he was also washing down new spoons with soda. I sifted out the soda separately, that's why I'm so confident and I say that there is exactly 1/3 of it
Now, if anything delicate - my gel, but still managed to spoil some of the spoons - the polishing was gone

I didn’t like the Somat gel. It doesn’t wash cups from tea plaque at all, and it doesn’t wash transparent glass from strong coffee, and they remain yellowish. The rest of the dishes (plates, plastic) are washed well, fat is also well washed.

Julia, I didn't like him either. And also because of the tea bloom.

He washes well, but it contains exactly 1/3 of the soda, he is not careful at all ... it will be noticeable in the plastic, the somat will quickly shrink it ... well, it seemed to me that he was also washing down new spoons with soda. I sifted out the soda separately, that's why I'm so confident and I say that there is exactly 1/3 of it
Now, if anything delicate - my gel, but still managed to spoil some of the spoons - the polishing was gone

That is, it bleaches well, did I understand correctly?

That is, it whitens well, did I understand correctly?

It also bleaches and washes perfectly, but delicate things - like sandpaper.

It also bleaches and washes perfectly, but delicate things - like sandpaper.

Oh, this is what I was looking for, for non-delicate things to bleach well, but for gentle things you can leave Domol.
You will need to buy

I live near the Hungarian border, and there is always the opportunity to buy European chemistry, which is much different from ours ... I myself go to Hungary and buy powders and gels for washing and dishwashing ... I am 100% satisfied with the quality, there is a difference, Somat is more softer than ours, if someone is interested ask, I can help.

IMHO this is not the PMM's fault, but the means for it are painfully vigorous - they degrease too much. (silicone molds)

Tell me, can you just wash silicone molds and non-stick pans with hot water? Without adding powder? The machine will only pour the rinse aid on them and nothing bad will happen. I have a lot of molds, you will be tortured to wash with your hands.

I wash with powder and molds and pots from MV and pans, and nothing until everything is whole and does not stick. Maybe put less powder.

Tell me, can you just wash silicone molds and non-stick pans with hot water? Without adding powder? After all, the machine will only pour the rinse aid on them and nothing terrible will happen. I have a lot of molds, you will be tortured to wash with your hands.

You can try without a remedy, an attempt is not torture, from water it will definitely not be worse

Tell me, can you just wash silicone molds and non-stick pans with hot water? Without adding powder? After all, the machine will only pour the rinse aid on them and nothing terrible will happen. I have a lot of molds, you will be tortured to wash with your hands.

Washing without powder is not very good for the machine itself - fat can remain on its insides. IMHO pots will not do anything if they are of normal quality. And the molds are easy to grease with oil before use.