Choosing a dishwasher

[Tina]

Tina, OK, thanks. It is simply believed that ferrous water has a very bad effect on the ion exchanger, it becomes clogged with iron and ceases to participate in the exchange - salt cannot displace iron. Then the way out is to wash with tablets.

[V-tina]

V-tina, it's definitely from water. If the water is red, then the dishes also turn yellow from excess iron. Apparently it is not completely washed out and settles on the dishes.

[Lena]

Lena, with tablets the same story ... the master can call the ion exchanger to check Galina, thanks, I really think I can put a separate filter on the PMM ...

As far as I understand, simple filters will not help here.
At my dacha in the well, the water is also red, glandular. But we don't drink it, we take it in the spring for food purposes. We water the garden, my dishes. But I don't want to wash with this water. And you need a lot of water in the bath, you can't get dung from the spring.
A reverse osmosis filter will relieve water from iron, but it costs robust. So far we get around

[Pebble]

Pebble, yes, I have no choice with water, so I have to invent something, my strength is no longer with this dish

......

in public catering they used Purzhavel tablets

Is it dishwasher safe? Or have I confused the topic?

Is it dishwasher safe?

no, sorry, if not on the topic, just above there was a discussion of chlorine tablets, I decided to share my experience

But for me, she's just awfully rusty.

Sorry for offtopic, but here you need to put large filters (polypropylene and coal), and a column-type purification system (with a special backfill) between them. Otherwise - nothing. The osmosis membrane from such rusty water will ditch in two to three months.

We have water from our well - super rusty. Until such a purification and softening system was installed, this water in a private house was soiled with rust and a dishwasher, and a washing machine, and a shower stall, etc. ... Now it is not ideal, but heaven and earth, compared to what it was. And one osmosis membrane for food needs for 5 people is enough for a year ...

[Kapet]

Kapet, thank you, I'll tell my husband, let him know

, in the Island of Purity, there are often promotions on pills

I am * suprum * (?) is now quite happy, especially since I drive the car 2-3 times a day. and the packaging lasts for a long time. I in the crown * rinse * frosh * on the action took, did not notice the difference. and salt in plastic transparent containers of 1.5 kg. pr-state Mozyr. also quite budget. the truth is, my salt runs out so quickly in the machine, why I don’t know, 1-5 kg. for 2 months approx.

and salt in plastic transparent containers of 1.5 kg. pr-state Mozyr. also quite budget. the truth is, my salt runs out so quickly in the machine, why I don’t know, 1-5 kg. for 2 months approx.

Ira, my salt is also quickly consumed, but it is also set to the maximum, I recently also talked about this salt here, and now we generally took a bag of tableted salt to Oma for 24 rubles. or 25 rubles, so it is not noticeable in the bag that I spend it

[Tina]

Tinathanks for the hint !!!!! we visit OME at least once a month. but it did not occur to me that you can buy it. I'm more comfortable with a large volume
and I honestly did not think about salt consumption, I need to get the instructions. can I also stand at the maximum? I remember trying to regulate salt in the early days. yes, I never adjusted it () did not understand where to regulate it;) just in case, I have CANDI

[Ira]

Ira, I'm glad to help me with Zanussi, there you need to use a combination of buttons and turn it inside when setting up, but everything is quite simple.I wrote about tablets from OMA here recently, they also have coarse granulated salt. It seems to me that it will be more convenient, the tablets do not fill the entire container for salt, they are so large. But so far we went to buy, it was only in tablets, they say that they quickly take it apart. In our OMA these bags are in the construction department next to drywall and all kinds of insulation.

[Tina]

Tina, I need to get the instructions to read. I remember somewhere on the lid itself that twists the hole that something needs to be done. I looked then and did not understand what to turn, what to turn, and so I left it. our town is not big, and they don't sell salt, probably not in demand. good E-delivery is. but only in Minsk, for example. to Corona (convenient both on city and on your own transport)
I apologize to the author of the topic if I'm not writing on the topic.

Girls, is there really such a need for an almost wholesale purchase of salt for PMM, if there are tablets from the "all in one" series? Now I just use these (meine libe) - the dishes shine and I don't have to fiddle with different things, buy them, pour them in, etc. Well, the truth is, it's more convenient at times!

[Yulia]

if there are all-in-one tablets?

Yulia, but I don't like the pills, which I just haven't tried - both cheap and expensive, therefore, it's easier for me to take everything separately, and it's cheaper, because I just take the salt in bulk, in a bag right away, it's very convenient and inexpensive, and the powder I take Bravix, I really like it and there are no stupid yellow spots that always remain with all the tablets and many powders with our ferrous water

[Julia]

the dishes shine and you don't have to fiddle with different things, buy them, pour them in, etc. Well, the truth is, it's more convenient at times!

Julia, I wouldn't call it messing around. In my case, one bottle of rinse aid is enough for 1.5-2 years, I fill it 3 times a year. One minute work. Salt, yes, once a month, is bought in the supermarket along with other goods, the time to fall asleep is also 1 minute. Judging by the comments, many people use salt sparingly, and accordingly they do not fall asleep often. In general, it does not bother me.
I use all-in-one tablets and powder in parallel. I use a tablet if there are a lot of dishes and are greasy. Sometimes the dishes are smaller and not greasy, I pour in the powder, because you can pour in half the norm.
Cheap pills have never come across good ones. The fat is washed off, but the tea plaque on the cups is not washed off. Although expensive funds sometimes sin. For example, FINISH All in 1 cannot cope with tea bloom, while FINISH Quantum washes everything without question.
I have better luck with the powder. Now I use 5+ "Five Plus", it washes well, especially for the price of 250 rubles / kg.

Girls, is there really such a need for an almost wholesale purchase of salt for PMM, if there are tablets from the "all in one" series?

If the water is not very hard and the softeners from the tablet are enough to soften and wash well, then, of course, you don't need to buy anything. If your machine has a button that you press when washing with tablets, then salt will not be used for regeneration even if you pour it into the hopper. If you wash with tablets with hard water, then you don't have to press the button, but set a low level of hardness, at 1-2-3, no more. Then regeneration will occur occasionally, the water will partially soften and the tablet will work easier. Well, the dishes will be rinsed with softer water so that whitish efflorescence on the glass, for example, does not work.

Hello, a year has already passed since I became the owner of PM Flafia. And I want to tell you about the means that I have tried. In the first months I bought LOTTA "6 in 1" Dishwasher Powder and CLEAN & FRESH "5 in 1 Dishwasher Powder" I liked both powders. Washed off tea, coffee, grease, etc. without a nasty, strong smell.But I wanted to experiment in Yulmart, I ordered Ultimat tablets (I don’t remember the exact name) for 1000 rubles 200 pieces, well, compared to powders, somehow not very much (but it turned out to be not the worst option), then I bought SMARTWASH Dishwasher Powder in Eldorado 1 kg (I decided to support the Russian manufacturer, in vain I did it) the price is about 300 rubles. Washes so disgusting, I can't compare it even with the cheapest Cinderella (I also tried this one). I took out all the glasses made of glass dirtier than I put into the typewriter, as if someone touched them to me with greasy hands, but in fact they are all dry, like plaque. I can’t wash them now. Then in Ogonyok I bought Finish in a canister (there was a big discount of 219 rubles 1 kg), I know that it smelly, etc., but I thought that I could wash the consequences of that powder with this, but as it turned out it did not help. This powder is also produced in Russia and the quality is lame, but the stench remains. Here's another new powder I bought Prox has not yet opened, today I will try. And then I'll come back to the first two.

I read you, and I begin to understand what the matter is. Also, plaque began to remain on the cups. I got to the pills bought for the action ((. Finish. I began to add persila to the pills. It helped. Thanks for the tip))

I think my stack. I can't save glasses. I rubbed them with a melamine sponge, left them overnight with hot water and lemon, but all to no avail. Probably they need to be thrown out, and new ones bought (those two terrible powders are over, so I won't ruin new glasses)

[redleafa]

redleafa, Olga, asked adds, is it a washing powder? If so, Masha won't quack?

Interestingly, there is salt for the dishwasher to soften the water. And for a washing machine, why will they not do the same. Zamuuuuuu learned how to prevent scum.

The master installing my washing machine told me that scale begins to build up only when the water heats up to 85-90 degrees. My washing machine is already 15 years old and although it can be washed in it at temperatures up to 90 degrees, I do not wash over 60. And I NEVER cleaned the heating elements, neither with special means, nor with folk, at all, for some reason it seems to me that nothing was deposited there. I have Hotpoint Ariston. Works great. Our water is hard.
Therefore, it seems to me that in dishwashers, TENs are also hardly covered with scale. In any case, even in the absence of an ion exchanger, and a maximum of 70 degrees, the formation of scale is a big question. It turns out that it is needed exclusively in order to make the water softer for washing dishes and there are no traces of drops, for example, after drying. Well, this is my reasoning, maybe I'm wrong somewhere ..



In general, I am studying Temka, I have already understood what can and cannot be poured into the PPM and always amazed posts, where once again they offered either mustard or soap to be cut. Like there are proven means, why experiments. But yesterday on one of the forums one user said about his folk rinse for dishes. I could not resist not to write about him here, in Temko I did not meet this. In general, it was written that instead of the rinse a little the cheapest vodka mixed with a little citric acid was poured. The dishes, they write, shine. I would not write here it is not clear what, just the method smiled).

My washing machine is already 15 years old and although it can be washed in it at temperatures up to 90 degrees, I do not wash over 60. And I NEVER cleaned the heating elements, neither with special means, nor with folk, at all, for some reason it seems to me that nothing was deposited there. I have Hotpoint Ariston. Works great. Our water is hard.

This means that the water is not as hard as you think it is.

I never wash above 40, once or twice a year I can warm up the car with lemon, but every five years we change the burned out heating element, which is quite overgrown with scale. Not as much as in a pure water storage heater, but still a layer of several millimeters is accumulated.

The only thing, before the color was more traditional whitish, but recently it was taken out, so the color is frankly gray, probably from these zeolites, if they were wrong.

we also have hard water, I wash mostly 40 degrees, but sometimes it happens 60 and sooo rarely 90. The washing machine is 7 years old, my mother has almost 12 washing machines, both heads, I descale every 4 months for sure, I recently changed the bearings themselves, so I'm there I cleaned the entire tank and all the pipes together with the tena specifically, so that there is scale or it is insoluble residues from powders



And by the way, you can see how much the ten is overgrown if you put the flashlight in the drum and put your head in there a little bit you swing the drum and you can see the ten)))))))

if you put the flashlight in the drum and put your head in there a little bit you swing the drum and you can see the ten)))))))

I'm proud, only our person can think of this

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, well, how else is it in our country)))))) otherwise the repairmen will tear off half the cost of the machine for a penny job, my husband and I together disassembled the Bosch washing machine to change bearings, at a price of 500 rubles all consumables, work for half a day without straining and slowly, but in our city of current the work itself is from 1.5 tons
I have already disassembled my dishwasher too

[Valentine]

Valentine, so now I will take

I have already disassembled my dishwasher too

And what should I look at, and what if I need to, we have water from a well in our village - the scale in the kettles is not weak. True, in the PPM I regularly pour lemon into the first rinse, maybe ten it saves

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, to be honest, I don't see the point of lemon in the first rinse, and as many write and say, it negatively affects gum, gaskets, seals, as well as lemon works better in a hot state, I clean the dishwasher with a lemon empty on the hottest one every half a year program cycle, I put a full dispenser for detergents these are 2 spoons with a slide
... And I took it apart because it leaked and gave out an aquastop error, and I also washed the door inside from all the nasty accumulated

I sprinkle lemon not for a typewriter, but for dishes, I do not like rinse aids, with a lemon, dishes without a raid. Sometimes I pour lemon into the washing machine, especially when I wash terry towels, it seems to me softer, although I use the conditioner in the washing machine.

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, then not in the first, but in the last time, instead of rinse, you have not tried to pour diluted vinegar instead of rinse, here you have already written about this in Temka and my sister uses such a remedy,
but about the washing machine mmmm I'm not a chemist, but it seems to me if together with the powder, they will enter into a reaction, or do you pour straight into the air conditioner ??? I love lemon, especially to clean surfaces that are exposed to limescale contamination)))))

I pour it into the first rinse, then the water is warm, and the powder has practically worked out. I like lemon better

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, ahh rinse after washing dishes ?? !!!! and I thought about the very first thing in the program

Do your cars show cycles? Does the program freeze when you open the door?

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I have Siemens, I just carefully open the door, it stops by itself, there is water in it, then there at the bottom, I can report something, I close it and she drove on




I didn’t even know that some kind of dishwashers did not allow opening the door and were locked ...

Oops, girls, I have a spell, I wrote about the washer
Dishwashers (hansa in the city and an electrolux in the village) both allow you to open and wash further after closing, both show with LEDs what they are doing at the moment.

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, no, the door is not locked. You can open it, but I opened it once, and she blinked the lights for a long, long time. I disabled and restarted. Therefore, I stopped experimenting like that.
Mandraik Ludmila, yes, the LEDs are on. But it does not show which wash is in progress - preliminary or main. Or rinse - 1 or 2.

[iris. ka]

iris. ka, Electrolux shows everything by order, but Hansa is just washing, or rinsing, or drying, and you cannot understand the same by the indication which is specific.

[Irina]

Irina, on my dishwasher, the display shows only the remaining time when the program is running, I am guided by it a little what is doing right now, and there is no indication of the type of washing machine about the progress of the program

I have been using Lenta tablets for a couple of weeks, it is quite normal. Basically half a tablet and half an hour regimen. This is so, on the topic ... And not on the topic, I loaded the machine today, and it beeps ... and the "faucet" is lit on the sign board. Found in the instructions The fittings of the inlet hose .... And the husband said once again, let them repair it under warranty. called the service. So tomorrow I'm waiting for the call and the arrival of the master. I wonder if they will be "bred" for new parts or not

[Rita]

Rita, and what kind of car brand, perhaps the filter mesh is clogged and water does not enter the car, this is simple, and your tap is definitely not closed)))))

I wash German tape tablets well and the halves do not have time to dissolve for a short 29 minutes, but Russian-made tape tablets, they dissolve in packs of 30 pieces, but wash worse

[Valentine]

Valentine, I have a bosh 60cm,. The tap is not closed. And if it is clogged,. then I don't know how to get to him ...

for a short 29min they do not have time to dissolve

strange, I have German, dissolve. I bought them after bravix powder, in my opinion on the advice Lenochka Bijou in this thread. For which special thanks to her
How to find this mesh? Rather, where is it located?

Hansa is just a wash or rinse

And my Hansa - the program is just underway, or has already ended. I use pills because it is difficult to find individual remedies here. Formerly FeedBack, now Clean & Fresh. I also liked Topperr, he didn’t wash pictures from glasses, but it was expensive.

[Rita]

Rita, lira3003, mmm Bosch, it may be water in the pan, we have Siemens leaking so much, and the mesh seems to be on the aquastop where the hose to the tap is screwed up, we sometimes have rusty types of scale accumulate there,

but already off topic at error 15 it sometimes helps to tilt to the left from the pallet at the bottom, water will flow out with a cloth, put the sensor, it will unlock. plugging it into the outlet should work, sometimes it happens to me when there is a lot of foam and I often throw it open, but if it repeats, it may flow somewhere, we have eliminated ours.
in general, start with a mesh, check to clean,
if it doesn’t help, then tilt to the side to drain, if it doesn’t help again, then it’s definitely a master, perhaps the aquastop itself is buggy, it seems that I wrote it clearly

[Valentine]

Valentine, karoch, persuaded her husband to look for this mesh. I unscrewed the hose there, there is a mesh, but there is no debris-rust-sediment-plaque .... I took the instructions, turned off the program completely, turned on the power button - urrrraaaa, the tap is off! I drove the machine for 29 minutes with half a tablet, placing only the jug and the lid to filter the water. I washed all the dishes with my hands... I called the service, canceled the application. Ufffff, life got better
And on the subject, I read a lot of negative reviews about Somate powder. It's strange, my sister has been using it for several years and is happy. Can I fit her tape pills to compare?

And I'm not happy with the tape pills. Even after washing with two rinses, a lot of foam remains. I called the master, only spent money on him for nothing - I climbed and didn't really say anything. I have already tried half a tablet each, and Lotta tablets again (they didn’t foam before Lenta, and after the tape tablets they froth), and Lotta powder (it is Italian, not German - I took it on ozone - after the tape tablets it also froth even in the amount of half a teaspoon, it still does not wash, you can see this amount is not enough). I also tried to regulate the rinse aid, although we don't need it with such soft water, the master said. And most importantly, it does not foam regularly, but from pill to pill. The master said that it is necessary to select a good product, because, according to him, there are really no standards in the manufacture and even a tablet from an imported manufacturer may slightly differ between a batch and a batch, which means that it can also be foamed: it was difficult to advise something. In general, at first everything was fine with tape tablets, and then problems began and now I have to wash the dishes by hand - even a separate rinsing does not remove the foam, at least a little remains, and I am afraid for the stomachs of my family.It's a pity to throw out the remaining pills, I will use them for fat pots, and there I will again experiment with other means. And it seems like there is a dishwasher, but I still do it by hand - it's just a shame.

Lenta tablets are available from different manufacturers in St. Petersburg and Germany. Although the boxes are exactly the same. When buying, you must read carefully.
German tablets wash well on long-term modes, do not give foam. In short modes, sometimes undissolved particles remain. Powder is best for the short setting.

In principle, I like Amway products, but it's not cheap, although I use powder and I have enough of it for a very long time. Both PMMs are small, Hansa is 45 cm, and the Electrolux is generally a little desktop. Therefore, it is uneconomical to use tablets.