Choosing a dishwasher

I wrote something about America with a small letter

insava, wow "biting machine"! I recently read an article in a magazine about the fact that in America women most often get electric shock from dishwashers. Now I try not to touch her with wet hands, even though she's not "biting" at all

Since it is at the sink, I noticed that if you rinse the dishes with one hand, and open the PMM with the other at the same time, then ayyay
Therefore, first I open the lid, and then I load the dishes.

My Boshik bites the desktop identity, this was not the case with Indesit
When we in the store began to check it for the integrity of the structure, she "snatched" me and her son, although it was disconnected on the counter

So maybe the typewriter isn't the problem? If she is not included in the network "bites"? I have one dressing gown in which I have absolutely EVERYTHING "bites".

Since my favorite Minel powder was running out, I decided to try other remedies and bought

And tablets from the same company. Everything made in Germany. I use it for 4 days and the result does not make me happy, to put it mildly
If, after the Minelev powder, the dishes "already creak" from cleanliness, then after Gretta, as it seems to me, even some kind of slightly greasy to the touch
I've never had this from washing in the sink
I used different programs, just once again made sure that "they don't look for good from good"

[Insava]

Insava, thanks for telling me, I also wanted to try, now I won't!
So what about the "biting" machine? Found the reason? Ppcd, I wonder why this could be.

And I used Frau Grett's pills. I liked it . Not worse than Minel. Only they came across to me only once, I bought a package and that's it ...

[Insava]

Insava, thanks for telling me, I also wanted to try, now I won't!
So what about the "biting" machine? Found the reason? Ppcd, I wonder why this could be.

You know, I already somehow apparently on the "automatic" {like Pavlov's dog, probably} worked up to its movements, which has not turned me on for a long time ...
Or maybe something has changed - although of course it is unlikely - but SPECIALLY testing for "bite" chevoyt does not want

And I used Frau Grett's pills. I liked it . Not worse than Minel. Only they came across to me only once, I bought a package and that's it ...

Maybe the pills are better than the powder It's good when I bought it and came up, but now I'm sorry to throw it out, and the result is so-so
If only I got it first, I would think that it should be so. And when you already know what HOW happens
Finally, in our "tiny provincial town" Nizhny Novgorod there is a GEL for PMM! But the price is too high

Tell me, who knows what needs to be reduced or increased if the dishes are soapy to the touch, if you take them with wet hands? Somewhere about it was, only I can not find ...

read somewhere that rinse aid

Do not reduce the set hardness, the water has become too soft.

Tell me, who knows what needs to be reduced or increased if the dishes are soapy to the touch, if you take them with wet hands? Somewhere about it was, only I can not find ...

Specifically, I had an extra rinse aid.

ok, I will experiment. It turns out that the water hardness really depends on the time of year, since March-April there were no complaints about washing with these settings at all ...
We'll have to write down in which month what settings to set))

Tell me, who knows what needs to be reduced or increased if the dishes are soapy to the touch, if you take them with wet hands? Somewhere about it was, only I can not find ...

If the dishes are slippery, then there is a "lot" of rinse aid - reduce its value.

It's strange, I have very soft water on the test strip, the dishes are slippery, but only while they are wet - the dry crunches already! Reduced rinse aid: the plates are wet and there are dry white streaks. I added rinse aid again - no drips, the dishes are dry. Licked - there is no taste of soda or sourness on the plates.

And I found the reason for the "slipperiness" of the dishes. I played around with the rinse salt settings, but did not get the best results. And then the powder ran out. I poured it all out, it turned out just below mark 15 (I have marks 15 and 25 there), and oh, a miracle))) And the dishes washed perfectly (eco program, 2h 50min 40g), and not a bit slippery!
So the recipe for getting rid of "slipperiness": significantly reduce the amount of powder.

insava, I bought Finish gel all in one, I did not see much difference in washing dishes. And even if I haven't run out of rinse aid in the car, then the dishes are slippery after washing. And again, my "favorite" plaque from tea washes only powder

insava, I bought Finish gel all in one, I did not see much difference in washing dishes. And even if I haven't run out of rinse aid in the car, then the dishes are slippery after washing. And again, my "favorite" plaque from tea washes only powder

Thanks for the comment, but in any case I'm not ready to spend that kind of money YET
Moreover, I have already made a choice for myself in favor of Minel and he completely satisfies me

So the recipe for getting rid of "slipperiness": significantly reduce the amount of powder.

It's great, but when washing without powder at all, I still get slippery, although it creaks. I still think about soft water: even soap from hands is not immediately washed off, it foams and foams! Tap water in the kettle, no limescale -1156468167.html] Now there is no hot water, and the hair is washed just as well! At the old place of residence (in the central district of the city) with noticeably hot water from the third time I managed to wash myself somehow, and scale in the mug formed every day.

A good competent article about means for PMM.
Soap ... for dishwasher

Just as a car will not run without gasoline and oil, a dishwasher is practically useless without detergents, regeneration salt and rinse aid. To remove really clean and shiny dishes from the dishwasher, you need to use effective detergents, of which there are not so few on the modern market. Let's try to figure out how you can wash dishes in the dishwasher today.

REMEMBER IN NO EVENT SHOULD YOU USE ORDINARY SOAP AND POWDER TO CLEAN DISHWASHER


IN POWDER OR TABLETS?

There are two types of dishwasher detergents: powdered and tablets. When choosing a dishwasher, you should definitely check with the sellers what types of detergents can be loaded into the appliance you like.

Powder is the most popular and readily available detergent. On average, one wash cycle consumes about 25-30 g of powder, respectively, to purchase a kilogram of this detergent, which is enough for 35-40 cycles, you will need 180-450 rubles. Thus, the cost of one wash cycle using the powder is 4-8 rubles. As a rule, a measuring spoon is supplied with the package to correctly determine the required amount of powder, or the package indicates the volume of the container cap, which in this case can be used as a measuring container.

Tablets are slightly more convenient to use than powder because they cannot accidentally wake up during use. It should be borne in mind that, as a rule, detergent in tablets per wash cycle is slightly more expensive than detergent in powder.Tablets are single-layer (standard detergent), multi-layer and multi-layer combined (type "3 in 1"), with different rates of dissolution of the layers.

Please note that tablet detergents sometimes do not dissolve during short programs. For this reason, dishwasher manufacturers recommend that when using detergent tablets, select programs of normal duration. The dosage depends on the volume of the dishwasher and, as a rule, is indicated in the technical characteristics of the unit. Typical consumption of detergent tablets is one tablet per cycle, in the case of very hard water, the initial dosage should be increased by one tablet. On average, a pack of 25 tablets costs about 180-250 rubles, out of 60 - over 400 rubles. Usually, 1 tablet is placed in a standard dishwasher for 12 sets of dishes. Thus, the cost of one wash cycle with the use of tablets is 6-8 rubles (in this case, we are talking about standard detergents, and not about “3 in 1” tablets).


TABLETS ARE AND COMBINED

Using multi-layer combination detergents in the form of tablets, you simultaneously load into the machine both the detergent components, and the components that soften the water and replace the regenerating salt, and the rinse aid. Dishwasher models that allow the use of combined products are now more common. To be sure of such a possibility, you need to check the instructions. However, one must not forget that this remedy is not suitable for a short program for the same reason: the combination tablet takes too long to dissolve. It is also not recommended to use combined detergents in regions with very hard or, conversely, very soft water.

Nevertheless, on the market of modern household appliances, dishwashers with a special program, most adapted to the use of tabletted combined type detergents, began to appear more and more often. Most manufacturers (eg Miele, Electrolux, AEG, Bosch, Siemens, Gorenje, Asko) provide a special three-in-one function in dishwashers, which sets any available wash program to use combined detergents.


ABOUT ALKALI AND ENZYMES

According to the degree of influence on the dishes, detergents can be conditionally divided into two groups. The first will include highly alkaline detergents containing caustic alkaline components such as sodium carbonates, silicates, phosphates, oxygen or chlorine-based chemical bleaches. The purpose of these components is saponification and destruction of fatty and protein contaminants.

In the second - slightly alkaline detergents. Alkaline products usually contain enzymes. An indication of the presence of enzymes in the detergent means that this detergent is optimal for washing dishes at a water temperature of about 45-50 degrees, because it is in this mode that ideal conditions are created for the manifestation of the properties of enzymes.

Enzymes are biological enzyme additives that break down the proteins, fats and polysaccharides that make up pollution. Detergents generally include the following types of enzymes: proteases (alkaline), which help remove protein contaminants, and amylases, which are effective in removing starch contaminants such as mashed potatoes, pasta, porridge, custard, sauces, etc. chocolate. The use of amylases in combination with proteases mutually enhances the action of both substances.

Lipases facilitate the removal of fat-based and oil-based contaminants from fatty foods. But it is insoluble proteins, fats and oils that firmly "eat" into the dishes, especially if several hours have passed after using it. In this case, the use of detergents with enzymes significantly increases the effectiveness of washing.

In the composition of any detergents, in addition to the already mentioned components, low-foaming surfactants are necessarily present.


MORE ABOUT CHEMICAL COMPOSITION

If you start to carefully study the packaging of the detergent, you will notice that there are three types of detergents:

1) Containing alkaline components and an oxidizing component based on chlorine.

2) Containing alkaline components and oxygen-based oxidizing component.

3) Contains alkaline components and enzymes, but no oxidizing components.

Detergents containing an oxidizing component based on chlorine are excellent for cleaning any type of dirt, but, being quite corrosive, they are not recommended for washing fragile, thin and metal (aluminum, silver) dishes.

Detergents containing alkaline components and an oxygen-based oxidizing component have a milder whitening effect and are therefore suitable for most types of dishes, except those which will be discussed later.

Detergents containing alkaline components and enzymes, without oxidizing components, have a good detergent effect at low temperatures and a gentle effect on dishes.


CHECK ONE HUNDRED TIMES, ONE FILL

When choosing a detergent, do not forget to clarify which types of dishes it is suitable for. If there are no special marks, you should not take risks and wash fragile crystal and especially silver with this detergent. For machine washing of silver items, you should find a detergent, on the packaging of which such a possibility is specified.

In principle, some types of dishes can be washed in a dishwasher, but only in a gentle mode and with utmost care. This means that you should select a delicate program with the lowest temperature and duration of washing, and after the end of the cycle, remove the dishes from the machine as soon as possible. At the same time, it is recommended to reduce the dose of the used detergent by about 1.5 times. Thus, for example, cups and plates with pictures and icing should be washed - separately using the delicate program. Cookware that requires extreme care also includes:

• earthenware dishes;

• utensils with overglaze painting, which, if it does not disappear, may lose color and fade);

• aluminum objects (aluminum dissolves by the action of alkalis and oxidants);

• glassware, on the packaging of which there is no symbol indicating the possibility of washing in a dishwasher: at a temperature of 35-40 degrees, such glass will not break, but it may become cloudy.

Just in case, we remind you that the following types of dishes are absolutely not intended for washing in a dishwasher, no matter what detergent is used in this case:

• old dishes, the coating of which is not heat-resistant;

• glued dishes;

• cutlery with wooden, horn, porcelain or mother-of-pearl handles;

• objects made of ordinary (rusting) steel;

• not heat-resistant plastic items;

• wood products (for example, cutting boards);

• tin or copper items;

• items of decorative and applied art - for example, Gzhel and Khokhloma;

• very small objects that may fall out of the trays during washing and fall onto moving parts of the machine.


WHAT TO CHOOSE FROM

The assortment of dishwasher detergents in Russian stores, as opposed to hand washing detergents, is not diversified enough. The brands on sale can be counted on one hand, and these are mainly European-made products: Calgonit, Kristall-fix, Somat, Frosch, Dalli, WKultra, Fairy.


DON'T FORGET TO RINSE ALSO ...

In order to completely remove the remaining detergent from the dishes and give them a shine, most manufacturers recommend adding a special liquid rinse aid to the machine.It is usually formulated with non-ionic surfactants to ensure effective water wetting of the surface, which leads to accelerated water drainage, rapid drying and the absence of streaks and stains on the surface, and acids (for example, citric acid) to remove and neutralize the alkaline components of the detergent itself ... The average price for a 500 ml bottle in Moscow home appliance stores is 80-120 rubles. The most popular brands of rinse aids are the same as for powders: Calgonit, Kristall-fix, Klarspuller.

On average, a 0.5–0.7 liter bottle of rinse aid is enough for 10–12 full washing cycles in a dishwasher (consumption per cycle is 0.003–0.005 liters). Rinse aid helps to more efficiently dry and transparent glassware; without rinse aid, dishes, especially glass, tend to tarnish. The rinses are not harmful to health and are completely rinsed off during the rinse cycle. Nevertheless, if there are severe allergies in the family, it is recommended to restart the dishwasher after finishing washing, just in case, by selecting the rinse cycle (such a program is usually provided in models of the middle and higher price category).


AND SALT ...

For good results when washing dishes, you must use soft water, that is, containing a small amount of lime. Otherwise, a white lime deposit will appear on the dishes and the inner surface of the dishwasher itself. For information on the water hardness level in your area, contact your waterworks. Some dishwasher manufacturers (like Brandt) include a water hardness tester with the appliance.

There are 5 levels of water hardness (0-6 dH, 7-11 dH, 12-16 dH, 17-21 dH, 22-35 dH, respectively), and with four of them (from the 2nd to the 5th) water requires softeners to ensure proper operation of the dishwasher.

In Moscow, tap water has a fairly high level of hardness, therefore, before the wash cycle, it is imperative to load the regenerating salt into the car. In most dishwashers, the container for the regenerating salt is large enough, and you can immediately load up to 1-2 kilograms of the product into it, and when it comes to an end, the “add salt” indicator on the control panel will light up. The average cost of a standard package of regenerating salt (2 kg) is 130-200 rubles. Regenerating salt is not harmful to health.

To ensure that the quality of washing does not cause the slightest disappointment, it is recommended that you rinse off any adhering food with a strong jet of water before placing the dishes in the machine. Most likely, even if you do not do this, at the end of the wash cycle the dishes will shine clean, no matter what, but if the dishes are heavily soiled (this mainly applies to pots and pans), some traces may still remain. Of course, the pan can be put into the machine for one more cycle, and then for another (experts believe that in three operating cycles a dishwasher is able to steam off any stain, except perhaps traces of lipstick), but why waste electricity if you can get by with little - just put dirty dishes under running water or soak them for a while in the sink.

When choosing which detergents to use - standard or combined, keep in mind that in the first case you can adjust the consumption of funds depending on the specific washing conditions, and in the second you constantly spend a certain “average” dose of detergent and cannot save.


AND EVEN THIS IS NOT ALL!

There are also some dishwasher accessories on sale. These include, first, a degreaser - a means for removing grease from the interior of the dishwasher (sold as a gel or granular powder); secondly, a deodorant, which removes unwanted odors in the dishwasher, giving a light floral or citrus scent to freshly washed dishes; and, thirdly, anti-scale,ensuring optimal performance of your dishwasher and reducing energy consumption. The degreaser is usually poured (powder) or poured (gel) into the same compartment where detergent powder is usually placed. It is recommended to use a degreaser every 15–20 dishwasher cycles. Detailed instructions for using the degreaser and deodorant are always included on the packaging. It is necessary to apply decalcification as follows: pour all the powder directly into the box and turn on the program with a temperature of about 40-45 ° С, without preliminary rinsing. It is recommended to repeat cleaning 2-4 times a year, depending on the hardness of the water in your area. Optimum results are achieved if decalcifier is used after the degreaser.


WASHING THE DISHWASHER IN THE DISHWASHER - SAFE FOR HEALTH

According to experts, detergents and other types of dishwasher detergents are not harmful to human health - at least no more than any other household chemical goods. Moreover, dishwasher detergents contain less organic matter, but more mineral components, which makes them safer for humans. Strongly alkaline detergents do contain more corrosive substances than those found in conventional detergents, but when they are used in a dishwasher, contact with hands is excluded, and therefore there is no danger to skin and health. So, dear housewives, wash the dishes in the dishwasher and only worry about how to prepare dinner for your husband and children on time. And the machine will do all the dirty work for you.

We would like to thank the experts of the Scientific Research Center for Household Chemicals Vyacheslav Filippenkov and Alexey Rodyunin (laboratory of personal hygiene products and household chemicals) for their advice.

I bought frosh pills for PMM. I am very satisfied. There is no smell and no chemistry at all. The dishes are very clean. Washes no worse than the finish. The main thing is more secure.

I bought a Fairy Platinum All-in-1 production in Belgium (the price of the action is 209 rubles per pack of 20 pieces).

I'm very happy!

I also have Feri, wash well but the pills themselves stink soooo

Sonadora, is it a pill or a powder? Eh, well, how is it bad to live far from civilization, what kind of tape is it, with what it is eaten or walked into it? And Auchan has other supermarket delights. We have tokma Maria-ra and Chibis, and we also have Metro, but mnu has no admission there ... sighs.

[iris. ka]

wash well but the pills themselves stink

Yes, when you open the package ... But from the dishes themselves, a slight lemon smell is barely perceptible.

iris. ka , capsules. They contain powder and gel.


Lenta is a network of hypermarkets, most of them are in St. Petersburg and V. Novgorod.

[plastic]

I made chicken in a multicooker - I didn't dare to shove it into the dishwasher.

Moreover, pots are only multicooker - with my hands,

And I was so lazy that now the pots from my MV-rochek are also mine in PMM ...

Although it is necessary to write about the means in the topic, but still I will share my experience here ...
I use all the means separately ... From my own observations (I have to step on my rake ....) ... the powder is still very thermonuclear for pots .. If you start a machine with pots from MV without any means, then white drops remain on the bowls (you can see all the same, the salt content in the water affects) and I found the very thing with which the pots are PERFELY washed without leaving any traces ... look ...

I have two of them - with different smells. I bought it in Kharkov (in Fozi), the price is something in the region of 60 or 70 hryvnia - now I won't say for sure ... I use it exclusively for washing pots.
If you wash with this gel plastic containers / mugs / bottles, the smell from them is simply wildly is absorbed into plastic, so all my plastic is still powder.

* Anyuta *, if you can buy Japanese gel, it is odorless.

* Anyuta *, if you can buy Japanese gel, it is odorless.

Tanya, I have been looking at him for a long time, but the "price of the issue" confuses me ... the difference is more than twice as different ... but, of course, you can try ...

Now there is a promotion in the Watsons chain of stores. When buying two packs of Domol detergent, one more is given as a gift.

I just wanted to write! there are those who want to buy DOMOL? There the price of 1 pack is 79 gr. for 2 packs 160 gr. (3 as a gift and about 54 gr.) I would share 3 packs a lot. I live in Kiev . There is also salt and rinse aid. If you have those who wish, write, today or tomorrow I'll go buy!

And I left all three, let it be, it will not turn sour. Buy later anyway.

And it seems a bit too much for me. Another 3 packs of salt is possible, but 3 packs of detergent are dear to me! I buy a pack about 2 times a year

So it is not necessary to take 3pcs for the dishwasher. You can take Domol powder, laundry gel and dishwasher powder. They are approximately the same price + - 10 UAH. This is important because the cheapest item will break through at the checkout as a gift. The main thing is to take everything Domolevskoe.

And I use anything, in our stores it is difficult to find something like that, so Somat salt, Finish powder, Somat or Finish rinse aid. In principle, everything is fine. The only thing is that scale on pans is not always washed off (

Hello girls! Please tell me, inexperienced, how the hardness of the water is regulated, I didn't find anything, no marks. Maybe not all dishwashers have it regulated?

[Lyubasik24]

Lyubasik24, probably you meant salt consumption? Tell us at least what model of the car, each one exhibits it in its own way.

Well, yes, salt consumption. But I already found the + and - sign too faded, but there are no numbers, I just twisted it by minus, since I still use pills.
And my car is a Hansa 627 IH for 14 sets, I drive it completely. It washes perfectly so far, the dishes are shiny, I don't observe stains, it doesn't smell (ugh, ugh, ugh), I use it for only a week.

Tell me, pliz, if you use specials. the "tablet" function, should the detergent compartment cover open during the process or not? (PMM beko, if that). And then I finally remembered about 2 gift pills, I used one without changing the program - I didn’t like that at the end, when I opened the machine, there was a lot of foam at the bottom (I decided that too much salt: at the maximum it costs + in a pill) ... And now she turned on the second one as expected, with the "tablet" function. So the lid did not open and, as a result, not all the powder was washed out of the compartment

It seems like it should be open, at least after washing, the compartment is always open and there are no traces of pills, but it takes a long time to wash - 2.40.

Innesss-ka, I also have a Veko, during the washing process the lid opens. The tablet on a short wash does not have time to dissolve all. You also need to select the tablet or powder you will use with the button (where the tablet is drawn). My salt is at 2, and the rinse aid (by the scientific poke method) is set to 1, since with the rinse aid at 3, the dishes came out slippery. (I have been using the dishwasher for the seventh day, I have already bought so much money and experimented with)

[Maributa]

Maributa, thank you for not disregarding my question. I am the owner of PMM for half a year. I just used the pills for the first time. Of course, I chose the function - a wash with a tablet, and the program was 70 degrees long with an additional rinse ("children's", if you have one). If the lid were to open, naturally all the powder would be washed off, but it did not open. And since I do not plan to buy tablets in the near foreseeable future, it will not work to experiment. So I decided to ask the experienced.
It looks like this is my PMM's cant. But not critical for me

Tell me, pliz, if you use specials. the "tablet" function, should the detergent compartment cover open during the process or not?

Where do you put the pill, if not in the compartment? In my PMM there is simply no other place for the detergent, so I can't even imagine how the compartment might not open.I admit that they may have come up with something else - after all, my PMM is already 11 years old.

Of course in the compartment! But it does not open immediately, but after a preliminary wash (if I observed correctly). And there is a special function - "washing with tablets". The button is pressed, the tablet icon appears on the display. The difference between the mode is evident in the fact that the machine does not consume salt and rinse aid from the special. compartments. But the lid of the compartment for the detergent (where the tablet is placed) must open ?! Or am I dull and it's time to go read the manual?
I reread your message and decided to clarify just in case: BEFORE starting the program, the compartment naturally opens. I put a tablet there (well, or I usually pour the powder) and close the lid. And during the washing process (not immediately after starting) it opens. And at the end of the program, when I open the car, the compartment is always open. But not at this time. FSE, forgive that on the shelves, maybe I'm just not clearly writing?

[It looks like this is my PMM's cant. But not critical for me]

Of course in the compartment! ......
But not at this time. FSE, forgive that on the shelves, maybe I'm just not clearly writing?

It looks like this is my PMM's cant. But not critical for me

Here I was a little embarrassed that you considered this jamb not critical. If the compartment did not open only once and only on the program with a tablet, then this board's jamb is obtained and it will be good if this jamb is the only one. While the PMM is under warranty, arrange ALL possible tests for it, that is, even if you are not going to use any functions in the future, still drive the PMM. Perhaps some more jambs will come out. Then it's better now than when the guarantee is gone.

[Galina]

Galina, thanks for the advice, most likely I will. Although I bought a store through the Internet with a store guarantee, so I want to hide like an ostrich from a small joint. just not to mess with shipments, etc. (I still can't even imagine how it is)

I bought a Fairy Platinum All-in-1 production in Belgium (the price of the action is 209 rubles per pack of 20 pieces).
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I'm very happy!

Please tell me if you can use this product for a short wash for 30 minutes at a temperature of 45g. Will it have time to dissolve and wash everything? I also look closely at this tool, but I'm used to washing the dishes on a short program, I put them on and wash them right away (I have a compact Boshik for 6 people).

Please tell me if you can use this product for a short wash for 30 minutes at a temperature of 45g. Will it have time to dissolve and wash everything? I also look closely at this tool, but I'm used to washing the dishes on a short program, I put them on and wash them right away (I have a compact Boshik for 6 people).

Hey everyone. I could not stand it, I tested it myself (maybe someone will come in handy). On the long program, everything is OK, but on the short one of 30 minutes, the pill did not completely dissolve, half remained, I had to blow it again next time. And so the tool seems to be nothing, everything is washed off and did not smell much.

Today I also tested on the short program, but for me it lasts 45 minutes. The tablet and shell are completely dissolved.

Hello everyone!
Well, here I got it, a dishwasher !!!!!
Glad!
Now they are connecting it.
And immediately the question arose as to what funds to buy ...
Advise ...
This is the dishwasher. Elektrolux ESL6552RA

[tanya123]

tanya123, congratulations on your assistant. Did the store offer you funds? You can buy any that are in the store. Although ... you are from Moscow and you have a great choice. Everyone approaches this issue by trial and error. Someone likes one thing, others another. And everyone is hoarsely arguing about "their" best remedy. Maybe it depends on the softness of the water, maybe something else. Try it, go for it. And if you have the first PM, like me for example, then you will find a lot of interesting things.