I choose a harvester, blender, processor

[Tashi]

Tashi, repaired! Catch pictures:

this meat .. minced meat in the sense of the remainder .. today I add dumplings from it. This minced meat was ground in a large plastic container (it is just in the photo), and if there is not enough meat, then you can grind it in a glass container, it is smaller in displacement.


this is a combine for comparing dimensions against the background of a bread machine and a small rice cooker


with a liter pack of juice


top view, its shape is in the form of a thermometer - compact, length 36 cm, width 20 cm

I decided to create a new topic, because I need a comparative analysis. Many topics are full of information about specific machines, and not how they work. Let's take KitchenAid as an example, just for clarity.
Planetary mixer

Of course, the processor is a universal assistant in the kitchen. With its help it is possible to: - chop fresh fruits, vegetables, zest, dried fruits, fresh herbs, garlic, nuts up to nut butter, make puree from any cooked fruits and vegetables, chop raw or cooked beef, chicken meat, etc. seafood, grate hard cheeses, gently chop mushrooms for julienne, chop spinach leaves and other garden crops, cut into slices or pieces of celery, carrots, bananas, onions, apples and bell peppers, and very gently thin slices of strawberries, mushrooms and radishes , whip cream and knead dough

Explain to me the stupid one, which is more necessary in the kitchen, if I need to knead the dough on both dumplings and bread and beat butter with sugar and proteins and chop vegetables and meat, chop and ..., that is, do all the usual routine work in the kitchen ... I’ve probably been in a state of choice for more than a month, but I can’t make up my mind. Have two cars at once that must be stationary on the countertop, the area of ​​my kitchen does not allow, and my husband needs arguments to buy two devices. So I appeal to the public, both cars can do everything, well, or practically, everything, so which one to choose, eh?
Yes, and I'm sorry it's so long and boring

[Fusha]

Fusha, if the kitchen has a good mixer, then the processor is certainly more necessary and more practical. Since the processor does not whip the proteins to stable peaks (unless, of course, your version has suitable beaters, nozzles, then it is possible). From my own experience, I can say that it is good both. I myself have a good harvester, but I also bought a mixer with a bowl.

[irza,]

irza, I only have a Bosh 450W hand mixer, and recently a Phillips combine, which has served faithfully for 14 years, has retired, so the question arose, and what is more needed? By the way, that mixer KA, beats the whites and kneads the dough, and at the expense of additional. nozzles still know how ...

Well, if this mixer is so versatile, then I would stop at it. But you know better what operations will need to be done - from this and make a start. Good luck with your choice!

IMHO - both are needed.
And the processor - depending on what you need from it. perhaps a harvester is needed, perhaps a simple chopper or blender. and more - the volumes in which you cook.
For meat (again, IMHO) - a meat grinder or a knife.

Like kenwoods and boshes, there are a lot of nozzles for which - there is a mixer and everything else, up to pasta - go to those topics, take a look.

Well, if this mixer is so versatile, then I would stop at it. But you know better what operations will need to be done - from this and make a start. Good luck with your choice!

yeah, the mixer is very multifunctional, here is the link for almost all additional. nozzles

IMHO - both are needed.
And the processor - depending on what you need from it.maybe you need a harvester, maybe a simple chopper or blender. and more - the volumes in which you cook.
For meat (again, IMHO) - a meat grinder or a knife.

Like kenwoods and boshes, there are a lot of nozzles for which - there is a mixer and everything else, up to pasta - go to those topics, take a look.

I would buy both with pleasure and then sort it out, but the kitchen in 7kv. m. does not allow. So the Kenwoods and Bosches licked the idea of ​​additional attachments from the KA, I just can't understand, they practically turn out to be interchangeable (mixers with processors)

I would not say that this technique is interchangeable.
1. if the question arises about the price, then for the same money (I may be exaggerating a little) you will get either a complete food processor in the form of a food processor, or a good stationary mixer for whipping and kneading dough, but without additional. nozzles. Buying even a part of the nozzles increases the cost of the mixer at times.
2. A food processor will never be able to knead as much dough at once as a stationary mixer.

By definition, this is a different class of technique.
FP - Food processor - lightweight inexpensive multifunctional.
KM - Kitchen machine (stationary mixer with the possibility of purchasing additional attachments) is a solid capital expensive.
I already wrote in the topic about Kenwoods that I have a food processor. He plowed for over five years. I did not use all the attachments (a pair of discs and a juicer were never used). He actually has restrictions on the amount of dough (it seems, no more than 500 g of flour), but so far it suits me. I look at the kitchen machine very seriously, but if I have an AF, I calmly wait for the moment when I can buy it.

[Fusha]

Fusha, so I suffered the same way, and now I have two of them - one processor, the other planetary mixer

two because:

- mixers have bad cutting, a lot of waste. and my processor has practically no waste;

- processors have bad whipping. the whisk, which is complete with the processor, does not take oil, and does not interfere with flour.

so I cut on the processor, beat in the mixer. my kitchen is 4.5 sq. m. I hide the mixer in the closet and take it out when it is necessary to beat, and the processor lives on the table.

[Rina72]

Rina72, here's a huge thank you, now it's more or less clear, I'll start with the processor, especially since my husband found a KA at a very nice price, only without a box, but I don't really need a box, the main thing is that there is a guarantee, and I have more 500g of flour is not needed, it is better more often, but fresher And with CM I will wait for an opportunity from Europe, it is much cheaper there, and even VAT can be returned at the border))

Lisss's, and in the CA processor there is some kind of tricky thing for whipping protein, eggs, cream in the lower right corner, you do not have the same but knead the dough in the processor? I’m looking at the processor on the advice of Luda from LJ for a test, but it’s only suitable for yeast dough and bread, or did I get it wrong? And it takes a very long time to beat butter and sugar with a manual, albeit quite powerful 450W Bosch mixer

[Fusha]

Fusha, if I'm not mistaken, is one of the attachments made of plastic, repeating in its shape the standard knives for chopping? In my FP, butter and sugar, yolks with sugar are perfectly beaten like this. As for the proteins and just eggs with sugar - I don't know, until now I have beaten it with whisks, but they are rather weak for anything denser.

for proteins I have not such a nozzle, I have plastic whisk

with knives you can knead bread dough, or a little rich. if it is very rich, like on pasta, then you need to knead with hooks, otherwise the gluten will not have time to develop, and the dough will already heat up strongly. again, mixing raisins with knives is not feasible ...

[Fusha]

Fusha, if I'm not mistaken, is one of the attachments made of plastic, repeating in its shape the standard knives for chopping? In my FP, butter and sugar, yolks with sugar are perfectly beaten like this. As for the proteins and just eggs with sugar - I don't know, until now I have beaten it with whisks, but they are rather weak for anything denser.

oh, great, and the plastic nozzle will not smear butter and sugar on the walls, there is a large 4.5 l bowl, and, by the way, this is the nozzle recommended by the manufacturer for the dough. And I only beat the whites with the whisk of a mixer, and here such a nozzle is tricky, and the nozzle is of the same configuration in the Magimix processor. I'll put the child to bed, look on YouTube, can they clearly show where such a nozzle does? I'm really curious

for proteins I have not such a nozzle, I have plastic whisk

with knives you can knead bread dough, or a little rich. if it is very rich, like on pasta, then you need to knead with hooks, otherwise the gluten will not have time to develop, and the dough will already heat up strongly. again, mixing raisins with knives is not feasible ...

Then the cakes will have to be handled once a year, but I wonder, is it really possible to knead the dough on Easter cakes with hooks in a hand mixer, or only the planetary will cope with this task?

[Fusha]

Fusha, our mothers-grandmothers-great-grandmothers-great-great ... somehow managed without any mixers at all. If you have a bread maker, then it will be a great help with the cake dough, and you can stir candied raisins with your hands (by the way, you need to knead the cake dough at least a little).

A couple of years ago I kneaded the cake dough with an ordinary mixer (hooks), it turned out very well, everything was perfectly kneaded (considering, by the way, that I kneaded the dough too steep), although it took a long time to sit with a mixer and a bowl

[Fusha]

Fusha, our mothers-grandmothers-great-grandmothers-great-great ... somehow managed without any mixers at all. If you have a bread maker, then it will be a great help with the cake dough, and you can mix candied raisins with your hands (by the way, you need to knead the cake dough at least a little).

A couple of years ago I kneaded the cake dough with an ordinary mixer (hooks), it turned out very well, everything was perfectly kneaded (considering, by the way, that I kneaded the dough too steep), although it took quite a long time to sit with the mixer and a bowl

and this year I made cakes myself for the first time and everything with handles, I even liked it Thank you very much, although the problem of choice is practically solved

Explain to me the stupid one, which is more necessary in the kitchen, if I need to knead the dough on both dumplings and bread and beat butter with sugar and proteins and chop vegetables and meat, chop and ..., that is, do all the usual routine work in the kitchen ... I’ve probably been in a state of choice for more than a month, but I can’t make up my mind. Have two cars at once that must be stationary on the countertop, the area of ​​my kitchen does not allow, and my husband needs arguments to buy two devices. So I appeal to the public, both cars can do everything, well, or practically, everything, so which one to choose, eh?

Now, if we start only from your wishes, then in general it was possible to stop, in principle, on the Bosch MUM 4655 - I have been using it for 7 years and it was bought precisely because, despite the fact that it knows how to beat proteins, the dough (any) has shredders , grater and blender and at the same time a full-fledged meat grinder, and not just knives for chopping and I still like it.

After the partial death of the Azerbaijani food processor, which served 17 years, I want to buy a kitchen processor "Energia", produced by NPO Energia, the city of Korolev. I want it, because it is cheap, seemingly reliable (after all, the rocket and space corporation produces) and because the grater and vegetable cutter work "right through" in it (you do not need to regularly disassemble the combine to empty the bowl). I did not find a similar design of imported combines. Does anyone have "Energy"? Is it convenient? Does it cope with its other functions? Were there any problems with the renovation? Advise, is it worth looking for "Energy" or switch and start wanting something else?

I used to have such a harvester Energy-power it is only small. The grater and vegetable cutters work for the take-off with Bosch MUM series, for example Bosch MUM 4655.

[akap]

akap, kitchen processor "Energy"

Model characteristics
slicing knife
shredder knife
knife for cutting potatoes for deep frying
slicing knife
multi-purpose nozzle
whipping spatula
citrus juicer
coffee grinder

Specifications:
Rated power: 160W
Maximum power: 350W
The number of revolutions - 1500-2000 rpm
Dimensions: 375х350х230
Weight: 4.95 kg
I also looked for a harvester, on all sites, I took Kenwood 925, because of the power of 1000, the harvester must be powerful from 800 to 1400, the price is also not very high, but now I would shove it off and buy a good Bosch MUM. Take your time - weigh everything and do not buy a low-power one, pay attention to grater discs - it is better if they are all-metal.

Good time of the day!
Thank you all for the answers, advice. MUM, of course, is interesting, but the price of mumas and the price of "Energy" differ at times ... And I don't want to overpay for the functions that the existing blender, juicer and meat grinder already successfully cope with. As for the power, on the manufacturer's website
it is declared as 700 watts. I thought it was enough if the design was correct. At least my Panasonic juicer, although it has a very modest power, copes with its tasks (including carrots and beets) quite well. So I wanted to hear the reviews of those who really used "Energy". I am interested in reliability and durability: although they claim from 3 to 10 years warranty for different models, in reality ordering something from Siberia, if it breaks, will not be easy, as it seems to me.
I would be glad to receive any feedback and advice. Sorry if I will not respond immediately: I spend half a week in a village where there is no Internet.

I have Energia for about 20 years. Used as a meat grinder (cut meat into pieces and peel off films) and a vegetable cutter during the harvesting season, mainly for carrots, beets, peppers, herbs - rubs, cuts normally. During this time, I never broke down. The last 5 years he has been living with his mother, and although she cannot always assemble it correctly the first time, she still works.

Maybe someone will find useful information about the Philips 7774 combine. I bought it for my mother's birthday and decided to try it out. I kneaded the dough with a steep shortbread without problems (I did not mix anything with my hands). Lightly defrosted meat from pieces turned into minced meat in a minute. I cut the potatoes into circles without my help (I didn't have time to press the pusher) in a few seconds. In general, I really liked it. Its power is 1000 W, and the price is not high. If you have any questions - ask, check and unsubscribe.

Why is it so difficult to choose between a combine, blender and processor. maybe it's just that sometimes we ourselves are not completely sure what we want. everything seems to be simple: if you cook the dough every day, it means a harvester (machine) to your loved one, you will need more attachments - you can buy it. if you need to be compact, and so that everything is because from time to time everything will be used - then the processor. if mainly for grinding - then a blender, and you can pick up a complete set ...

... but when you walk along the showcase with appliances for some reason you want everything at once

I have a harvester, a model of the simple ones, but I have enough. Bosch firms. The bowl is 1.5 liters, but in principle, if you use a grater, it will hold about 2 liters. Specialist. I took it without a blender bowl, because everything I need to do is in the combine.
Blender - rod, also without bells and whistles. As a last resort with a mixer. The rest is lying around. (Also Bosch).
Mini processor. Since the combine is too large for a small volume, I purchased a processor. I took the most common (and inexpensive Scarlett SC-441), but it is enough for me. Only graters are not very convenient to use, but the utility knife is still doing it.

The graters in the combine must be looked at to be in the form of all-metal discs. Otherwise, it is terribly inconvenient and not reliable ...

This is how I chose the combine. With a chopper, they were just included. In this case, the inconvenience is that the worn product falls not into the bowl, but through the spout. You have to put all this mess in a tray and catch it with a bowl. Looks funny, but fast.

Girls, now in Nekkerman prod. food processor SILVA KM - maybe someone knows something about it?

Girls, now in Nekkerman prod. food processor SILVA KM - maybe someone knows something about it?

What kind of bird is this? and how much does it cost?

[Lubasha,]

Girls, now in Nekkerman prod. food processor SILVA KM - maybe someone knows something about it?

Such a harvester has Lubasha, Here is what she wrote to me about him in a personal message:

I bought it just for the batch. I do not bake every day, I do not use it intensively, but just for the sake of pleasure. I am very pleased with its quality and price. Beat eggs on a biscuit, all together, great result. Kneading rye dough, loaves, whipped egg whites. Everything worked out great, hands are free, there is no need to hold a hand mixer. Places like Kenwood, you can look at the store. The bowl is 5 liters, the body is plastic, but decorated with iron. Planetary gear. I think that it is worth its price. Klatronic costs a little less, but it doesn't have a planetary.
I just warn you that it kneads loudly, but the energy takes less microwave

Girls, and I recently bought a cartoon vicont, I liked it so much that I decided to look at the vicont combine. Found vicont 440 but no reviews yet. Maybe someone has one or have seen reviews somewhere. Tell me please.
I did not like it there that there is no dough kneading function

Gypsy woman, I chose combines and I stopped at your offer, while BRAUN K3000. Write what he is

SOS girls, help the guard, an urgent question has appeared - I am facing a choice, which is better to take kenwood 010 or KitchenAid 5KSM150. Big request, if possible, advise. Today we saw KitchenAid live, listened to how it works. The impressions are good, but I don't know how I will behave when kneading the dough. But to see Kenwood failed. And the power of the Kenwood is 1400W, while the KitchenAid has only 300W. Experts advise, in terms of decision making is limited !!!!

I believe that power is the decisive argument. You cannot beat the whites like Kenwood does with a regular mixer.

My friend KitchenAid, she bought it on the Metro. Once, after listening to her happy reviews, she asked me to make a dough in my presence. Of course, the dough kneads perfectly compared to my Kenwood, where the dough climbs up the hook, and all the time you have to drop it into the bowl. During kneading, mine staggers, and her combine does not even move when working, despite the lower power compared to mine. What is the matter - I do not know. And KitchenAid looks super, just a kitchen decoration! I confess, when I was looking for a combine harvester, I also fell for Kenwood's power, my 1200 has power.

So I am confused in one power 300 and in the other 1400 what is the trick?

I can only advise you Kenwood, as I have experience with him. What's interesting to me is that Kenwood has a higher power, and for the price it is much cheaper than KitchenAid, what's the trick?

Kenwood with a power of 1400 costs 20,000, and Kitchen with a power of 300 costs 28,500. Where is the logic? I liked the fact that it works quietly (that is, Kitchen), looked at the recipe book in the store, so there is a kneading for 1 kg of flour at a time, and in Kenwood for 500 grams. Therefore, I wanted to know your opinion, since the amount is not small and I would like to have a worthwhile device for this not small amount of money, especially since this is a gift from my husband.

[pljshik]

pljshik
I think if you use the processor only for dough, proteins, biscuit, then KitchenAid will do just fine and even better than Kenwood. But if you want to use the combine as a meat grinder and juicer, then here you better take Kenwood, it is more powerful. I myself have a separate juicer and a meat grinder, a BORK juicer (2000W), a VITEK meat grinder (1600W).

My 20th kneads the dough and more flour. And so that the dough does not crawl, I began to knead with the K-nozzle. And faster, and does not crawl as on the hook. But I wonder if Kitchen can knead dumplings at 300 watts of power? I already wrote about proteins: an ordinary mixer (power, I think, no more than 300) cannot be compared with Kenwood: protein turns out like marshmallows.

Girls, well, after all, each combine has an instruction and a recipe book. Here in the instructions it is written what dough and how long the harvester will cook. The seller will definitely give it to you to read before buying. And about meat grinders and, moreover, juicers, it is better that these are separate devices. I generally have a different brand of combine with a capacity of 900, and a meat grinder - 1000, but I just grind something soft with it (it is convenient to use, but rather weak).

I have a Mulinex meat grinder, a Brown juicer, a Bosch mixer, a Brown submersible mixer. So I'm only interested in the kneader, I want the bread dough to be excellent, and my homemade pies are very respected. I can’t knead it with my hands, unfortunately after the injury my hand cannot withstand heavy loads. The question is acute, I would like to make a decision before tomorrow. I am tormented for the second day, unfortunately my birthday is in December, and before the New Year, as always, it is problematic to buy what you want, so my husband bothered to buy early.

But I wonder if Kitchen can knead dumplings at 300 watts of power? I already wrote about proteins: an ordinary mixer (power, I think, no more than 300) cannot be compared with Kenwood: protein turns out like marshmallows.

I wrote above that my friend has KitchenAid, and she is very happy with it. The dumplings dough kneads perfectly, I saw it myself, he says squirrels, he also whips with a bang. My friend, unlike me, bakes mostly cakes and pastries. In general, she has not yet noticed the disadvantages in KitchenAid (I recently called her to ask her opinion on this matter again).

I have a Mulinex meat grinder, a Brown juicer, a Bosch mixer, a Brown submersible mixer. So I'm only interested in the kneader, I want the bread dough to be excellent, and my homemade pies are very respected. I can’t knead it with my hands, unfortunately after the injury my hand cannot withstand heavy loads. The question is acute, I would like to make a decision before tomorrow. I am tormented for the second day, unfortunately my birthday is in December, and before the New Year, as always, it is problematic to buy what you want, so my husband bothered to buy early.

In this case, KitchenAid is the best solution. Good luck and pleasure in working with the combine!

Here the girls discussed machines for kneading dough, look, there are, however, a few messages, but just on the topic:

Yes, unlucky girl, changed her KitchenAid three times
Anything can be, as you are lucky, a lottery in one word ..

I have a bread maker kneading dough for dumplings and pies, well, very cool! And all the rest of the dough (shortbread, etc.) is made by the KM 010 combine, also for five plus. As for the power, I had a 400 W meat grinder - one torment. And in the combine, the meat grinder doesn’t grind bones, all the cartilage and captives fly through like a pipe. I don't think 300 will grind like 1600.

It's hard to make a decision when the truth is like a lottery lucky not lucky. We pay a lot of money, but how much will work is not known. In 1955, my dad brought a foot sewing machine from Germany, so she still sews perfectly, and my sister buys an electric one for the second time and then a seamstress (that is, only sews thin fabrics), or as soon as the guarantee ended, problems began ... And I still sew on my dad's and tarpaulin (awning for a car) and tulle and chiffon - I sew without problems, and I will not change it for any other price. That would be so lucky with a kitchen machine.

Kenwood with a power of 1400 costs 20,000, and Kitchen with a power of 300 costs 28,500. Where is the logic? I liked the fact that it works quietly (that is, Kitchen), looked at the recipe book in the store, so there is a kneading for 1 kg of flour at a time, and in Kenwood for 500 grams. Therefore, I wanted to know your opinion, since the amount is not small and I would like to have a worthwhile device for this not small amount of money, especially since this is a gift from my husband.

I have a kenwood with a capacity of 1000, here is from the instructions for the test

[pljshik]

pljshik
Objectively, Kenwood has two pluses, they are price and power. And I never read about Kenwood returns.

I don't see dumplings here. With yeast and bread makers cope. Rather, they not only knead it, but also cook it. What is the point in such a combine?

A kitchen machine is not only a kneader, read about attachments, but rather watch a video.This is a planetary mixer with huge power and a meat grinder, a juicer, a blender, a chopper, a dough rolling machine and devices for making pasta, an ice cream maker, a shredder, a potato peeler, etc. I also have HP, but I often miss it, but I did not see any sense in buying a second HP. Now, in general, beauty, KP does his own thing, and KM does his

Mate I also have HP. Yesterday I made a dough for a butter loaf on the dumplings mode, so I was even frightened how my poor fellow was humming my Panaska. Not wanting to ditch the HP, it’s a pity, after all. All the same, a well-kneaded dough is 50% of success. If I already bake the bread itself, I think that it should be done well, otherwise the whole point of home baking is lost.