Mirabel
Gala, I have Supra for thin waffles
svetaastro
Quote: Manna
I bake waffles without eggs in vegetable oil,
Manna! Finally I got out to write! Thank you so much for the recipes! The very first I used No. 2 (where 100 grams of flour, sugar, starch, milk ... - this is right after buying Cloer 271). The waffles came out right away (well, the first one is a bit kosovat, really) But TASTE !!!! Simply adorable. True, I replaced sugar with fructose, cow's milk with soy milk (I breed dry Bona vita in the right concentration - super!), I added a little spices - and it turned out to be simply GORGEOUS, SIMPLY ELITE waffles! Thanks again for the egg-free recipe! I add starch according to your recipe, but I don't understand why it is needed, what it gives. Without it, I no longer risk it. The baking time of the vyfli until the signal of full readiness is exactly 1 minute and 40 seconds. I tried replacing white flour with whole grain flour with the same ingredients. As a result, the baking time was reduced to 30-40 seconds (total !!!!!) until the waffle is fully cooked. It's just a miracle! The same result with a mixture of corn and white flour - only 30-40 seconds baking. The waffles are smooth, baked, delicious. Now we need to find tips on how to twist ice cream cones from them, so as not to burn your fingers. Somewhere I saw here that the girls make homemade cones to put a hot waffle inside the cone for solidification. That's what I did.Waffle maker, hazelnut
Manna
Quote: svetaastro
I add starch according to your recipe, but I don't understand why it is needed, what it gives
Starch gives waffles friability, friability. If you use loose types of flour (for example, oatmeal), then you can bake without starch.

Quote: svetaastro
replaced sugar with fructose
Last time I didn’t emphasize it, but I’ll tell you. Sugar is certainly not the healthiest thing. But fructose isn't much healthier either. The latter, unlike sucrose, practically does not turn into glucose (namely, its concentration in the blood gives a feeling of satiety), but becomes mostly fat in the liver (which accumulate there). I will not go into details, but, if you will allow me, I will give advice - study more closely the beneficial and not very properties of fructose. If we really give up sugar, then maybe it is better in favor of stevia, dates, honey?
svetaastro
Quote: Manna
But fructose isn't much healthier either. The latter, unlike sucrose, practically does not turn into glucose (namely, its concentration in the blood gives a feeling of satiety)
You know, there is a lot of illiterate and false information about many products on the Internet and in the literature. Manufacturers and traders propagandize malicious products in advance. So you can read in the domestic literature about the alleged benefits of a killed body, milk that does not see sunlight from birth to death (only 2-3 years of life with a norm of 20 years !!!) of cows, etc. And only with a detailed study of the issue, it turns out that the first contains just a huge amount of cadaveric poison, pus, cancer cells, antibiotics, etc. So it is with fructose. This is a NATURAL PRODUCT! Contained in almost all, given to us by Nature, fruits - NATURAL!
Here is a fairly objective article.

Fructose: the harm or benefit of using the natural natural sweetener fructose instead of sugar, what to choose: fructose or sugar for diabetes. Read about all this in our article!

Fructose is a natural sugar found in free form in almost all sweet fruits, vegetables, and honey. Fructose (F.) stabilizes blood sugar levels, strengthens the immune system, and reduces the risk of caries and diathesis in children and adults.Serious advantages of fructose over sugar are associated with differences in the absorption of these products by the body.

"F. refers to carbohydrates with a low glycemic index, its use in food does not cause fluctuations in blood sugar levels and, accordingly, the sharp emissions of insulin that sugar intake causes. These properties are of particular importance for people with diabetes. Unlike other carbohydrates, F. reaches intracellular metabolism without insulin interference. It is quickly and almost completely removed from the blood, as a result, after taking fructose, blood sugar rises much more slowly and to a much lesser extent. than after taking an equivalent amount of sugar.

Fructose as a sugar substitute is effectively used for healthy nutrition all over the world. F. is highly soluble in water; therefore, it is widely used in home cooking for making drinks and dairy products, for canning vegetables and fruits, for making baked goods, jams, fruit salads, ice cream, and desserts with a reduced calorie content. It has the property of enhancing the aroma of berries, fruits, this is especially noticeable when preparing fruit and berry salads, preserves, jams, juices.

Dishes where sugar is replaced by F., belong to the so-called healthy foods, such products:

low in calories, do not provoke caries, have a tonic effect, better absorbed by the body than foods with sugar;
remain fresh much longer, since F. has the property of retaining moisture.
Fructose is almost 3 times sweeter than glucose and 1.5-2.1 (average 1. times of sugar (sucrose).
Saves the consumption of ordinary sugar, that is, instead of 3 tablespoons of sugar, you need to spend only 2 tablespoons of F., while having the same calorie content
When baking confectionery products, it must be taken into account that the oven temperature should be slightly lower than for baking products with sugar, the browning time (crust formation) is shorter.

Fructose reduces the caloric content of food and is consumed in smaller quantities, does not contribute to the accumulation of excess carbohydrates in the body, which is important for people who want to maintain a slim figure or lose weight.
It promotes the recovery of the body after physical fatigue, prolonged mental stress.
Due to the tonic effect on the human body, it is recommended for athletes and people leading an active lifestyle - daily use of F. does not allow a person to feel very hungry after prolonged physical exertion.

Fructose is recommended by the Scientific Research Institute of Nutrition of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences as a replacement for regular sugar.
NatalyMur
Quote: svetaastro
"F. refers to carbohydrates with a low glycemic index, its use in food does not cause fluctuations in blood sugar
I can say from personal experience - any sweet fruits and berries, well, very much fluctuate sugar and in no way can have a low glycemic index ...
For diabetics, fruits can be eaten in very limited quantities, and it is precisely sweet.
You can print a lot ...
I fully agree with Manna.

Mirabel
Natalia, I also completely agree with Manna and with you too, but everyone chooses their own lifestyle and nutrition, free. as they say, will.
NatalyMur
Mirabel,
svetaastro
Quote: NatalyMur
I fully agree with Manna.
That is, you undertake to assert that there is no fructose in the same dates? Is it harmful for healthy people to eat fruit? How would something go wrong? And, it is better then sugar and honey, which, by the way, contains 85% of sugars ... Mother Nature gave us fruits! Everything is copied there as it should. Fructose is much more natural than all sweeteners, safer. You girls, whatever you want, but in my family they don't eat sugar, neither do the corpses of animals. (y) Indeed, everyone is his own "rescuer" ... or a killer.
Mirabel
SvetlanaYou know, I'm not going to state anything at all, let alone prove anything.
I repeat, everyone does and eats what he sees fit and there is nothing to impose his principles on.
all the more so the topic is not about a healthy vegan lifestyle.
Millions of people eat meat and sugar and are quite healthy.
sorry. it turns out you did not turn to me.
NatalyMur
svetaastro, I undertake to assert that fruit is very useful for healthy and sick people. Like honey.
And about sugar substitutes, I have a negative attitude towards them all. In any case, it's chemistry. Sugar is considered a safer product.
Light - do not be offended, just each person has some kind of experience. Not everything is true that was printed under the slogan of healthy eating.
Even in the quote that you gave a few posts earlier, there are a bunch of illiterate statements, an article clearly of an advertising orientation - like buy fructose.

kat-rin-ka
But didn't Mother Nature create sugar? It is extracted from sugar beets, just like fructose is extracted from fruits.
svetaastro
Quote: Mirabel
Millions of people eat meat and sugar and are quite healthy.
WHO data suggest quite the opposite ... Alas. But.
Why all this fuss?
I just said that in the recipe I replace sugar with NATURAL (NOT CHEMICAL) fructose made from beets.
"Fructose (fruit or fruit sugar, levulose), C6H12O6, is one of the most common types of natural sugar" - encyclopedia.
And "chemistry" - Artificial sweeteners - cyclamate, saccharin, aspartame, acesulfame.
I do not want to prove anything to anyone ... "Everyone chooses death for himself" - a proverb.
She asked where to buy cones for rolling waffles ... So what?
Girls! Let's bake the waffles already! I'll be back today. The Clatronic is already freezing for the 2nd day. It is necessary to sculpt ice cream (Also, by the way, from soy milk, with fructose) - it turns out just super!
So, you need to roll up the waffles with a horn for this ... With gloves ... somehow ... not And where to buy a cone separately, I can't find it. No shoveled all.Waffle maker, hazelnut
svetaastro
Quote: kat-rin-ka
But didn't Mother Nature create sugar?
White sugar

The "standard of evil" - white refined beet sugar (traditional for most of the world) - is made from sugar beet, consists of almost 100% carbohydrates and has a glycemic index equal to 70 (high). For orientation: a teaspoon of sugar pulls about 4.5-5 g, that is, the daily rate fits into 25-30 g of sugar. Speaking about the dangers of sweets, they usually mean exactly white refined sugar, which is instantly absorbed and just as instantly raises the level of glucose in the blood. Then this level decreases, causing bouts of hunger, thirst and, of course, the desire to eat something else sweet. White sugar is bad for all of the above. Often it is included in finished products and semi-finished products, so its content should be monitored separately.

The reason for this lies on the surface: fructose has a glycemic index of only 20 (low).
When sugar is called the "white death" - this is not an exaggeration for the sake of a word of mouth. Any sugar - white, brown, sand or refined sugar, in pure form or as part of a product - is a toxin that harms our organs and disrupts the usual hormonal cycles of our body. When sugar is called the "white death" - this is not an exaggeration for the sake of a word of mouth. Any sugar - white, brown, sand or refined sugar, in pure form or as part of a product - is a toxin that harms our organs and disrupts the usual hormonal cycles of our body. Avoiding sugar, however, is not a panacea.
By consuming so much sugar, we not only show our weak will and indulge our sweet tooth - we are actually poisoning ourselves, as many doctors, nutritionists and biologists have argued. One of the most famous members of this group is Robert Lustig of the University of California, San Francisco, best known for his popular YouTube video, Sugar: The Bitter Truth. Some journalists, such as Gary Tobs and Mark Bittman, have come to the same conclusion.Sugar, they argue, is much more dangerous than sexually transmitted diseases and colds, because it is a toxin that harms our organs and disrupts the normal hormonal cycles of our body. Excessive consumption of sugar, they say, is one of the main causes of the epidemic of obesity and metabolic diseases such as diabetes. It is also a major culprit in cardiovascular disease ....
And so on and so forth...
WANT ABOUT WAFFLES-iiiii. Where to get the cone .. or who came up with what trick?
Yanchka
Girls, I want to give my friend a waffle iron for thin waffles. After reading the topic, I decided on the Cloer 271 waffle iron. There are only a few questions left:
1.Does this model have a long cord?
2.How easily soiled is the top surface?
3. I support the post above with the question: where to buy a cone?

And here's another, I'm looking for a waffle iron not for myself - for a friend who lives in another city (in St. Petersburg). I want a courier to bring a waffle iron to the door of her apartment on my birthday, and here's the bad luck - I found only 1 store where you can buy this waffle iron. Pickup is one thing, but full prepayment is another.

4. Therefore, girls, who knows anything about the online store 🔗 ? Or maybe you know some other store?

Thank you in advance.
Manna
Quote: Yanchka
1. Does this model have a long cord?
2. How easily soiled is the top surface?
1.135 cm
2. absolutely not soiled, easy to clean, "fingers" do not remain
julia_bb
Whether white sugar or fructose, it is harmful in large quantities. This is such a feature among manufacturers, a marketing ploy - that fructose type is more natural and therefore less harmful ...
Breast milk, by the way, also tastes sweet ...
svetaastro
Quote: julia_bb
This is such a feature among manufacturers, a marketing ploy - that fructose is more natural.
As you did not carefully study the topic ... It's not about "sweetness".
And in how much energy your pancreas will spend (AND HOW IT WAS FAST WEAR !!!!!) on processing sugar or fructose. Do you know what the glycemic index is?
.... "The rate of assimilation of carbohydrates is usually expressed through the so-called glycemic index. In some cases," 100 "is used for white bread, and in others - glucose.
The higher the glycemic index, the faster blood glucose levels rise after sugar intake. This causes the pancreas to release insulin, which carries glucose into the tissues. "
The more often and more intensively this ejection occurs, the faster the pancreas REMOVES.
... well, fructose has a glycemic index of only 20 (low). In sugar it is equal to 70. That is, sugar wears out the pancreas almost 4 times faster!
Manna
Virgo, this is still not a topic for discussions about the dangers of sugar and the great benefits of fructose. This topic is about waffle makers
The arguments, of course, smile
julia_bb
I agree, let's talk about waffles)
Yesterday I just baked Belgian waffles on Phillips - I made it with 125 g of flour - it turned out four waffles - but they are very satisfying.
But when fructose is consumed, insulin is not produced, so satiety does not occur. This is exactly what fructose does harm ...
Irina.
Quote: Manna
Virgo, this is still not a topic for discussions about the dangers of sugar and the great benefits of fructose. This topic is about waffle makers
Manna, I agree with you completely, I just wanted to write that this topic is about something else. Going into the topic, I think that the girls baked something new, and here again a scientific lesson, sugar / fructose.
svetaastro- Svetlana, if the topic about fructose is so interesting to you, then open a new topic so that everyone there can discuss these issues.
It's nothing personal and I don't want to offend anyone, but the topic about waffle irons is interesting to me for others, namely waffle irons.
svetaastro
Quote: julia_bb
therefore satiety does not come. This is exactly what fructose does harm ...
How does it not come ?! I bake everything on it. Pies, waffles, pancakes, muffins ... Well, I don’t know ... I’ll eat about 5 waffles and USYO ... I ate ... Well, of course, there is either breakfast or dinner before the waffles ... Fairy tales are all about "no saturation" ... just ridiculous. And then, do you just want to eat waffles? ... Or sugar.
Girls, well, by God ... WELL HOW WHO IS ADDICTED AND WANTS! ...Here is Manna (thanks 100 times) I gave a wonderful recipe - I adjusted it to us and I'm not overjoyed .... My husband just loves our waffles.
Lettera
Yes, I am once again convinced how many tales are told by followers of different theories and trends. I will no longer believe that vegetarians and vegans are calm, balanced people who do not have aggressiveness, since they do not consume animal products. It all depends not on nutrition, but on the person.
Tired of going into this topic to get a bunch of negativity instead of information about a new waffle iron or recipes.

And for those who are still only choosing, I want to say, if you bake a lot, take Cloer, if rarely, it is not so important what you buy
svetaastro
Quote: Lettera
I will no longer believe that vegetarians and vegans are calm, balanced people,
Interestingly, and where did you get the idea that I personally am not calm and somehow biased write something, I say, I live ?! You, by God, surprised me. And .... are these big letters misled you? Yes, I am, to highlight ... Not in anger.
Manna
Virgo, well, really, that's enough about fructose and veganism (I'm already in this context somehow completely uncomfortable) in this thread. Topic about waffle irons If there is a desire to condemn products, their harm and benefits, go to the appropriate topic (create it)
SSvetik
svetaastro, cones for waffles are on sale in Auchan. 4 cones per pack.
Waffle maker, hazelnut
Manna
I saw such cones in Uuterra, however, last summer.
svetaastro
Quote: SSvetik
are sold in Auchan.
Thank you. I have never seen ... Maybe you have been before? Where did you see and when? We have 2 Auchan nearby, in Belyaevo and behind the Teplyi Stan ... While I just wrap it up with my hands, quickly. Here I already thought: can I quickly put it in a cardboard disposable food cup? But this way it will not spin to the end. Now I am puzzled with a recipe without yeast and eggs for filling in tubes ... Maybe someone has it?
Manna
Do you want such bowls? They can be made narrower and taller. Puts on the bottom of the glass while still hot.
Wafer bowls "Walnut" (Manna)
Waffle maker, hazelnut
Quote: svetaastro
Now I am puzzled with a recipe without yeast and eggs for filling in tubes ... Maybe someone has it?
Ice cream? No eggs? See in my prefile. Creams? Also in the same place
SSvetik
svetaastro, in Ashan-Mytishchi, I have seen these cones almost constantly for 2 years in the department where molds for dumplings, cookies, all kinds of openers, mechanical sieves for flour, etc., hang. Ashanakh in Moscow the assortment is the same.
svetaastro
Quote: Manna
Ice cream? No eggs? See in my prefile. Creams? Also in the same place
I will definitely look ... Well, you are an entertainer, however! I've been making ice cream for a year without eggs, it's super tasty. Miscellanea. And, here, creams for fillings have not tried yet. At the same time put it in the cake. Smear the cakes, for example. Thank you again. And ... girls, it's time to sleep ... there will be wrinkles.
svetaastro
Quote: SSvetik
But, in my opinion, in almost all Auchan in Moscow the assortment is the same.
Yes, there is something in our big one ... in Teply Stan ... I have already climbed every cm there. Thank you, it doesn't matter. The assortment is the same. only the areas are different. Apparently, you will have more there. Here, too, we had Klatronic ice cream makers for only 900 rubles (there was a sale) ... and there were no other stores in any store.
Tashenka
svetaastro, I bought a cone (wooden, with a handle, very handy) from a German pasta store thanks to T.A.
Yanchka
Girls, and yet, maybe someone came across an online store 🔗 ? they will have to transfer 100% prepayment. and nowhere else could I find Cloer 271 in St. Petersburg.
elenvass
Yanchka, I took it for myself, then dressed my colleagues, I also gave a discount, the store left very pleasant impressions
Bottling
Quote: Tashenka
I bought a cone (wooden, with a handle, very handy) from a German pasta store thanks to T.A.
And I bought it from Tanya, but I don't have a waffle iron. I also think to buy at icecremclub.
Antonchik
The main thing in waffles is not how they are rolled, but how they are cooked
Arinna
Today I saw a novelty in the store - the Bork waffle iron. With a beautiful display, all sorts of adjustments and stuff.Everyone is good, only the price is indecent 13 thousand rubles, ten times more expensive than the average. I wonder if there are analogues?
Doxie
Hello, I really need advice.

I wanted to buy a waffle iron for thick waffles from Cloer, but the one I liked both in terms of price and quality - Cloer 1629 - I can't find in stock anywhere in a store convenient for me. And I don't want to overpay for a similar one, but with an unnecessary sound signal to me ...

Please advise an analogue for thick wafers so that it is not inferior in quality and is about the same price category (it can be more expensive). Clatronic and Bomann how are they listed? Are they inferior in quality to Cloer, in your opinion?
Manna
Quote: Doxie
Are they inferior in quality to Cloer, in your opinion?
In my opinion, it is strong. I have Clathronic and Cloer. Cloer is much better. For thick wafers, Mulinex is also praised (with removable panels).
Doxie
Manna, thank you very much for your answer!
I will definitely look for another moulinex. Or you will have to take the Cloer more expensive model with a sound signal.

Does anyone have waffle irons from BEEM? On the store's website, as an analogue of the missing Cloer, they recommended the Waffel-Joy UNO BEEM D2000707 waffle iron and a similar Tristar model, but I somehow have big doubts about them.
Manna
I don't know about BEEM by the quality of the waffle iron, but the "ceramic" coating is not the best option for this type of appliance. Tristar, as I remember, has poor coverage
Doxie
Manna, Thank you! You helped me a lot with the choice.
I hope I'll be back in November with a report.

Irina.
DoxieCloer has the best coatings when compared to Clatronic, Bomann, BEEM. I had something to compare with.
First I ordered Bomann, but she didn't turn on at all, so she refused. The coating is normal, the same with Clatronic.
I ordered BEEM, because it was like a toy, all flimsy, I didn't like it, and it was also with a marriage. I changed the 3in1 sandwich maker to Severin. The coating is not bad in it, I use it often, but it has a plate for Viennese waffles. And then I ordered Cloer hearts for waffles, and you can see immediately that the coating is much better than that of everyone else. It bakes great, I don't even grease it, but nothing sticks, I add butter to the dough. I often bake zucchini pancakes in it. Recently I baked sweet waffles and put together a cake without cutting into hearts, it turned out deliciously and beautifully. I would also like to try to bake it out of bistable dough and see what happens.
So I think it's better to overpay a little, but buy Cloer. I also want to buy later for thin waffles, so I will definitely order Cloer, we don't have them either, I will order with shipment.
Thanks to all the girlsthat told about Cloer. : rose: With their help, I decided, bought Cloer and love her very, very much.
Doxie
Irina., thanks for such a detailed answer and model comparison!
Just about, get a problem ((And many models of this company are no longer in stores and are not expected.

It is a pity that this company does not have hazelnuts. In any case, I have never seen it. I would like a quality
Mirabel
DoxieAnd there are hazelnuts of other companies, also German, look at the Computer Universe, I bought their company a cupcake, the coating is super and bakes very softly and quickly enough. I can’t shit with Cloeer, but it’s okay for me and the price is more democratic.
Doxie
Mirabel, thanks, I'm already looking there! I really liked the device for tartlets from
Efbe schott

And what brand of cupcake did you take, if not a secret? They just have a lot of different companies in the section.
yudinel
Girls, please tell me, did anyone use the Travola waffle iron? At OZON now the action is the third product of Travola for 1 ruble.
Mirabel
Doxie, Oh yeah, this is a very big secret, I just wrote from work and did not have time to open and show the link
There she is
🔗
And I will ask you to show the device you like.
Doxie
Mirabel, Thank you!

Quote: Mirabel
And I will ask you to show the device you like.

It turns out that it was she who liked me! Just in the list-menu, its name was translated as "Device for baking tartlets"
Bottling
Please tell me who knows! What is the difference between the "thin" Cloer1621 waffle iron from its "plump" counterparts, such as the model 181. I am interested in whether the thickness of the waffles in these waffle makers is the same or are they thicker in 181? The difference in price is about 1 thousand rubles. is it worth overpaying?

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