Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)

And in Moscow where you can buy these?

This question should be asked to Muscovites, in the section Communication with fellow countrymen https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=70.0

And tell me, please, do many already have 2502? How is it fundamentally different from 2501?
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Also, as far as I understood, the Kenwood 450 is good, right?
I want to make yeast-free bread, rye, and with all sorts of additives, with raisins, seeds, etc.

model 2502 differs from 2501 only in two things:
= the presence of a yeast dispenser (some 2502 users believe that the gadget is extremely necessary :; but without it 99% of bakers who have other bread makers "suffer"),
= a stainless steel case - this is already someone who desperately needs equipment designed in a certain style.

In Panasonic, you can bake everything that you have listed. You just need some experience and understanding of the process (they are also needed for any other bread machine). In this regard, I advise you to look at the very beginning of the topic, there in the multi-colored text you will find all the links to the necessary information.

Good day to all. So I became the owner of the SD-2500 bread machine. : yahoo: Today, for the first time with my son, they baked bread according to the main program, outwardly everything is fine, but it was cut inside as if it was not baked a little, the crumb is damp and it tastes fresh ... I've already read a lot of topics here before buying HP and what problems maybe even now it's just a mess in my head, where I did not do the right thing ...

Victoria, congratulations on your new assistant! I have the same one, I am very happy with it. And don't be discouraged, bake some more bread, try on a different program, maybe you baked bread when the voltage is in the email. the networks were rather weak. Try baking on the timer. And I also add an apple grated on a fine grater to the dough, the bread turns out much better.

Good day to all. So I became the owner of the SD-2500 bread machine. : yahoo: Today, for the first time with my son, they baked bread according to the main program, outwardly everything is fine, but it was cut inside as if it was not baked a little, the crumb is damp and it tastes fresh ... I've already read a lot of topics here before buying HP and what problems maybe even now it's just a mess in my head, where I did not do the right thing ...

Congratulations on your purchase! Did you forget to add salt, butter, sugar? After removing from the bucket, the bread should be covered with a towel and allowed to stand for several hours. Rina generally advises not to remove the bucket of bread from the HP until it cools down to the "sticking" temperature. Did you all do that?

Good luck to you! Everything will work out for you!

model 2502 differs from 2501 only in two things:
= the presence of a yeast dispenser (some 2502 users believe that the gadget is extremely necessary :; but without it 99% of bakers who have other bread makers "suffer"),
= a stainless steel case - this is already someone who desperately needs equipment designed in a certain style.

and this is meant only externally, externally? inside is everything the same?

In Panasonic, you can bake everything that you have listed. You just need some experience and understanding of the process (they are also needed for any other bread machine). In this regard, I advise you to look at the very beginning of the topic, there in the multi-colored text you will find all the links to the necessary information.

Is there anyone here who owns the Panasonic 2502?
Do you really need a yeast dispenser? Why - ask such a really stupid question?
And what is the difference between 2501 and 2502 from 2500, I look and they also buy more. Although the price for all three models is not very different.

Rina told me that there was a real comparison between Panasonic and Kenwood somewhere. Can you tell me where you can find and read?
I rush between Panasonic 2500, 2501 and 2502 and Kenwood 450. Kenwood seems to be programmable, but how important and necessary is it really? just for sourdough baking?

Congratulations on your purchase! Did you forget to add salt, butter, sugar? After removing from the bucket, the bread should be covered with a towel and allowed to stand for several hours. Rina generally advises not to remove the bucket of bread from the HP until it cools down to the "sticking" temperature. Did you all do that?

Good luck to you! Everything will work out for you!

Regarding not removing the bucket from the HP until it cools down, I disagree, the bread should breathe and reach condition with a cotton towel or cloth covered on a wooden board or lattice, so excess moisture comes out, thereby eliminating the dullness. You can’t cut the bread, right after the oven, you need it to stand for an hour or two.
But a bland taste means little salt or sugar. Each bread maker is individual, bakes in different ways, it depends on the conditions in the kitchen, someone is too humid, someone is too warm or cold, it may be standing in a draft, etc. If it’s a little too dry, then you can change crust color, put on dark, slightly reduce the amount of flour and water, by 20-30 gr. experiment a little and you will succeed! The main thing is to understand why it didn't work out and what you don't like. The correction algorithm is as follows - you understand what you don't like, see the instructions for the HP, at the end there is a detailed "debriefing", and for clarifying info you climb into the forum where real people share bug fixes.

Is there anyone here who owns the Panasonic 2502?
Do you really need a yeast dispenser? Why - ask such a really stupid question?
And what is the difference between 2501 and 2502 from 2500, I look and they also buy more. Although the price for all three models does not differ much.

A show-off yeast dispenser, such as so that the yeast does not come into contact with water for the time being, although, I put it on a timer for 12 hours, the yeast is at the bottom, the water is in the bottom, nothing comes into contact, the flour layer does not leak. The only plus of 2502 is that it bakes more bread than 2500 and 2501, in those 900-1000 grams limit, 2502 bakes 1250 grams, if a large family, 5-6 people, it is convenient.
The difference between 2501 and 2500 is the ability to bake rye bread, or rather the presence of a program, there is no need to do shaitan-maitan, the presence of a dispenser for additives, a convenient thing if you put bread on a timer, and during the day too, since it beeps quietly, you can not hear signal and sleep. Well, the most important thing is the presence of a timer.

Rina told me that there was a real comparison between Panasonic and Kenwood somewhere. Can you tell me where you can find and read?
I rush between Panasonic 2500, 2501 and 2502 and Kenwood 450. Kenwood seems to be programmable, but how important and necessary is it really? just for sourdough baking?

The availability of programming capability is not fundamentally absolutely and unnecessary. Anyway, any recipe needs to be customized to fit your conditions, and you will play with the program, but still stop at 2-3 breads that you will bake every day. In my opinion, programming is necessary so that the bread size is not baked according to the HP standard, for example, not 750 gr, but 850, although to achieve the desired result you will have to ruin several loaves, and are non-standard sizes generally needed? Get used to those that are included in the HP. Well, the quality of Panasonic will be higher than Kenwood. Still, Panasonic is the company that came up with homemade HP, the recipes for it are quite well verified, it is clear that they were not stolen from the outside, but they themselves developed and the stove was sharpened for them.

In stock 2502 yeast dispenser has ceased to be used since I switched to pressed ones, but the infection clicks, loudly and idle. I'm thinking of putting a switch on the panel. And since the case is only made of stainless steel.

Is there anyone here who owns the Panasonic 2502?
Do you really need a yeast dispenser? Why - ask such a really stupid question?
And what is the difference between 2501 and 2502 from 2500, I look and they also buy more. Although the price for all three models does not differ much.

Owners of the 2502nd model are enough here and essnesno for them this is super something. However, your question is not even stupid at all.I have expressed my opinion about this stray enough times and I am already tired. Therefore, I will repost Rina's answer, with which I completely agree.
"... if there are no design requirements (what if you have a kitchen of your own in high-tech and stainless steel) and you don't want to spend extra money, then 2501 is an excellent choice. Without a yeast dispenser, ALL bread machines on our market work today, except for the only one - 2502 Please note that the yeast dispenser will work EVERY time, and the dispenser for additives only if the appropriate program (bread with additives) is set. Someone needs this loud enough click of the yeast dispenser to hear if the oven has started to knead. this click can be annoying or "sound like a shot in the night." https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=130117.0

The difference between 2501 and 2500 is the ability to bake rye bread, or rather the presence of a program, there is no need to do shaitan-maitan, the presence of a dispenser for additives, a convenient thing if you put bread on a timer, and during the day too, since it beeps quietly, you can not hear signal and sleep. Well, the most important thing is the presence of a timer.

So 2500 doesn't suit me. found out. but with weight. there are three of us in total + mom lives nearby, we plan to bake bread for four, moreover, I am always on a diet, I try to eat little bread, only in the morning.
And you can bake with less weight, for example? is only the maximum weight set and the minimum is not set?

So 2500 doesn't suit me. found out. but with weight. there are three of us in total + mom lives nearby, we plan to bake bread for four, moreover, I am always on a diet, I try to eat little bread, only in the morning.
And you can bake with less weight, for example? is only the maximum weight set and the minimum is not set?

Take 2501 in terms of functionality, they are the same with 2502

And you can bake with less weight, for example? is only the maximum weight set and the minimum is not set?

Can!
Only in a large bucket, with a small load of dough, we get a bread cake. Optimally load 400-500 grams of flour, it will be bread weighing about 600-750 grams

[non-standard forms in Panasonic]

The minimum standard size of bread in Panasonic is 400 grams of wheat flour. This is a loaf of about 600 grams.

For almost three years, I lived most of the time alone with two small children. And I still baked bread from 500 g of flour every two to three days. So, for four people you will bake quite normally, not even the smallest loaves. By the way, pay attention to the topic about non-standard forms in Panasonic... There and two small loaves manage to bake. Just think a little and connect your hands.

So 2500 doesn't suit me. found out. but the weight. all of us and my mother lives nearby, we plan to bake bread for everyone, well, in fact for four, moreover, I'm always on a diet, I try to eat little bread, only in the morning.
And you can bake with less weight, for example? is only the maximum weight set and the minimum is not set?

For a day for four, this is an average or large loaf - 500 or 600 grams of flour, respectively (750 and 900 grams of bread), 4 adults in our family eat bread and 1 child we bake a large loaf once a day, although we love bread and eat quite a lot ... The minimum roll of 400 grams of flour is 550-600 grams of a roll, much less? Less will not burn. A standard white loaf in the store is 400 gr, but it is tasty while warm, but here it will be just as tasty a day after baking, especially simple white bread.

Recently, I began to bake bread from 600 grams of flour. It's just that now one permanent adult eater has been added (and he eats a lot of bread), and the children have grown up. Moreover, somehow one "jump". So, sometimes you have to bake three loaves in two days ... Just have time to realize that a third of the bread has already been cut off and eaten, which means that after five hours there may be no bread left in the house.

Regarding not removing the bucket from the HP until it cools down, I disagree, the bread should breathe and reach condition with a cotton towel or cloth covered on a wooden board or lattice, so excess moisture comes out, thereby eliminating the dullness. You can’t cut the bread, right after the oven, you need it to stand for an hour or two.

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The only plus of 2502 is that it bakes more bread than 2500 and 2501, in those 900-1000 grams limit, 2502 bakes 1250 grams, if a large family, 5-6 people, it is convenient.

Clarify ...
1. If the bread is still perceptibly warm, then the crust dries out perfectly and its excess moisture, formed due to condensation, goes away. The crust becomes perfectly crispy.
2. There is no difference in the size of the bread in different models! These are translators' mistakes. In all Panasonic, the maximum bread size of 1250 grams is bread made from 600 grams of wheat flour with additives. 600 g flour = 900 g baked bread + a handful of toppings. In general, you can go to 1200 grams.

Girls! Again I am like that hero from the "gentlemen of fortune" - "I remember here, I don’t remember here ..."
I remember that we wrote a review on the actual use of both stoves, but I don’t remember who and when. And the newbies have exactly this question: Kenwood 450 versus Panasonic.

Who has experience comparing Kenwood and Panasonic, tell us again, plyyz!

[helgoncha]

helgoncha , can I put in my 5 kopecks too? I myself chose HP quite recently. The desire to bake your own bread gave rise to a bunch of questions and here, on the forum, I found answers to them !!! I decided on Panasonic almost immediately. Only there was also a choice between 2500 and 2501. I chose 2501 because it has the Rye Bread program. Well, as if I wanted a dispenser (although I only used it once more!) What do I want to say !? Buy Panasonic !!! This is great HP! I'm still a very young baker, but this oven never did not let you down !!!! Using the recipes from the instructions, I began to make simple bread. Then she began to study recipes from the forum. AND always everything it turns out !!! My family is three adults and two children, who are also almost adults. We eat a lot of bread. I put on the night every day, alternating rye and wheat. I bake for 500 g of flour. The bread doesn’t get stale (and sometimes it just doesn’t have time!) And on weekends something else with dough.
You know helgoncha, what phrase convinced me to take Panasonic? Again, here I read and remembered: "Panasonic is a Mercedes among bread makers." I haven't bought bread in the store since the summer when my assistant appeared! Good luck with your choice!

Oh how!

Thank you very much for your participation, information !!!! I really appreciate it!
In short, Panasonic. There was only a question between 2501 and 2502. Of course I like the design and 2502 is more suitable, but in the framework of the fact that I did not have the strength to wait for the Brand 6051 in silver-black until January and I decided to order a white one, so which would have been more fun for them two whites together, although everything else is black and silver.
The last question left is this yeast dispenser at 2502.
Owners of 2502, dear, please respond to someone else besides NarKoma, what do you think about the need or lack of a yeast dispenser?
Who is using it? Who is not? Why?

In stock 2502 yeast dispenser has ceased to be used since I switched to pressed ones, but the infection clicks, loudly and idle. I'm thinking of putting a switch on the panel. And since the case is only made of stainless steel.

Does it click loudly? does not squeak, but clicks when yeast is added to the bowl? and how is it to bring the switch to the panel?

what do you think about the need or lack of a yeast dispenser?
Who is using it? Who is not? Why?

All the same, it's up to you. Those who have and wrote about it here, most often, with their hands and feet "for". Those who do not (and I am among them) have already told you that you can GREATLY do without it. Especially, as Rina said, if you start baking with pressed yeast.
So that "think for yourself, decide for yourself whether to have or not to have."

Does it click loudly? does not squeak, but clicks when yeast is added to the bowl? and how is it to bring the switch to the panel?

The solenoid clicks in the same place (it seems) and turns on with a tangible click, and so 8 times it's not that annoying, it's just that it is not used with compressed yeast, if I bake with dry yeast, I throw yeast into it. But I don't think that his absence will greatly affect, you will just fall asleep them first (to the bottom)

All the same, it's up to you. Those who have and wrote about it here, most often, with their hands and feet "for". Those who do not (and I am among them) have already told you that you can GREATLY do without it. Especially, as Rina said, if you start baking with pressed yeast.
So that "think for yourself, decide for yourself whether to have or not to have."

I have it, but you can live without it

I have it, but you can live without it

You have already been excluded from the list of respondents.

please contact someone else besides NarKoma

Oh, we had whole battles here over this dispenser ...
1. It is quite possible to do without it, as most bakers do. The flour has such properties that it will not get wet and the yeast will not be in the water ahead of time. If you want, I'll find the relevant posts a little later.
2. The yeast dispenser clicks several times. The clicks are loud enough. If the kitchen, for example, a studio in a one-room apartment or is just close to the bedroom, then at night clicks can annoy / irritate / wake up (for me, for example, the kitchen windows open onto the balcony, and the bed is in the room next to the doors to the balcony - I I even hear the operation of the dispensers in the dishwasher, I wake up). Please note that the dispenser works with ALL programs where yeast is provided.

So far I have only read ONE real opinion experienced baker, in which case such a dispenser can come in handy. No more! And in that case, the need for a dispenser is not categorical. For some, a yeast dispenser helps not to miss the batch (the oven usually works very quietly). But then these are no longer his functions.

I read with pleasure about the comparison of Kenwood 450 and Panassonica 2501 and 2502 (since I asked a similar question in another Temka and I was sent here). For myself, I decided on a choice towards the 2501 model. Thank you!

I correctly understood that the clicks of the yeast dispenser (8 times) work in all programs, except for yeast-free bread, but in reality it is only needed for baking with dry yeast. So?
And what is the opinion of an experienced baker, why is this dispenser really needed?
And why might you need to know about the beginning of the batch?

[Here is my text]

The post itself about when the dispenser might come in handy, I will not find now (too much time has passed and many pages). Here is my text, where I recounted the essence of that very post.

Yes, the yeast dispenser is only suitable for dry yeast.

But why do you need to know when the batch started? Read on the first page of the topic a multicolored message to beginners, there are active links to the required minimum of knowledge so that bread does not turn out just immediately, but that it always turns out. I strongly advise you to read the "Baking Guide" and learn about the kolobok rule.

[Clicks]

Clicks the solenoid is there (it seems) and turns on with a tangible click and so on 8 times it's not that annoying, it's just that it is not used with pressed yeast, if I bake with dry yeast, then I throw yeast into it.

4 times, not 8.

I have had a stove for 2 years and of them only used pressed yeast for less than a month, then I switched to dry yeast again and the dispenser is constantly in use. We didn't like the pressed yeast bread. Cooking only at night bread and the stove does not bother anyone to sleep. And if someone interferes - you need to drink something from the nerves, it's not the stove that interferes, however.

4 times, not 8. I have had a stove for 2 years and of them only used pressed yeast for less than a month, then I switched to dry yeast again and the dispenser is constantly in use. We didn't like the pressed yeast bread. Cooking only at night bread and the stove does not bother anyone to sleep. And if it interferes, you need to drink something from the nerves, it's not the stove that interferes, however.

and where I said about "interferes with sleep"

and where I said about "interferes with sleep"

Hinders sleep .. .. but not for you.

"Interferes with sleep" is about me. I only recently started to sleep normally, before that I woke up from the slightest rustle (next to the bed of my two sons). More than seven years of this "dream" ...

Good day to all. So I became the owner of the SD-2500 bread machine. : yahoo: Today, for the first time with my son, they baked bread according to the main program, outwardly everything is fine, but it was cut inside as if it was not baked a little, the crumb is damp and unleavened in taste ... I have already read a lot of topics here before buying HP and what problems maybe even now it's just a mess in my head, where I did not do the right thing ...

Congratulations on a wonderful purchase! I have the same one since August. There was not a single puncture. And I was even able to bake Borodino bread yesterday at the main program! I advise you to start with the simplest bread, check the expiration date of products, especially yeast. Do you have baking flour? And one more thing: do you use weights? I really need them.

Here is my Borodino bread! It came out just wonderful!

[Lusik]

Lovely bread Lusik ! And so handsome. And the aroma during baking was certainly indescribable! You don't hide pictures of Borodinsky far away. Again there will be questions: "How ...?" "Is it possible ...?" it. And every time I rummage around to show it all. But I had Borodinsky out of the box (ready-made mixture) and it turned out not as beautiful as yours. And you, as they say, prepared everything with your own hands.
But Victoria Ru is still silent and I'm worried. Hope she did it!

[Lusik]

Lovely bread Lusik ! And so handsome. And the aroma during baking was certainly indescribable! You don't hide pictures of Borodinsky far away. Again there will be questions: "How ...?" "Is it possible ...?" it. And every time I rummage again to show it all. But I had Borodinsky out of the box (ready-made mixture) and it turned out not as beautiful as yours. And you, as they say, prepared everything with your own hands.
But Victoria Ru is still silent and I'm worried. Hope she did it!

Vitalik! This is bread made according to our Rinochka's recipe. I changed it a little. If you need to write everything. She calls it wheat-rye.

Of course you do!

1 White bakery flour -200g, 2 rye flour- 200g, 3 pressed live yeast- 8g, 4 apple cider vinegar- 20ml, 5 honey -35g, 6 salt -1.3 teaspoons, 7 malt-2 tablespoons, 8 olive oil ( Rina has corn) -2 tablespoons, 9 ground coriander - 1 teaspoon. I made a dough out of half of the water, wheat flour and yeast (as Rina advises), added rye flour, coriander, butter and the rest of the water with diluted salt and honey to it. I put it on the main program. In the process of the bun, I added a little wheat flour, the dough was slightly smeared along the bottom (a couple of tablespoons "under the knife"). I will bake again on the weekend!

[Lusik!]

Thank you, Lusik! In the bookmarks. Now it remains to overcome the fear of dough and you can abandon the boxes.
🔗

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=109387.0 But the recipe itself from Rina, so to speak, is the original.

[Lusik]

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=109387.0 But the recipe itself from Rina, so to speak, is the original.

Aha! Thank you, Lusik! Wait, I'll read it.
For information (I was also prompted): Khlebopechkovsky links, that is, native () can be made active. Like this:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=109387.0
Select the link and press the 4th button on the left edge of the second row. It is called "Hyperlink".

good afternoon everyone!

I can't help but share my delight with my new assistant SD-2502!
I'm not new to this business, this is my second bread maker. the first - moulinex 3000, worked wonderfully for 6 years and .. everything .. I don't know, maybe it needs to be repaired .. but I wanted a new one
I always choose quickly, especially since there have been thoughts for a long time that if I ever change the bread maker, the next one will be Panasonic.
so ...
they brought it last night. Since my family has been suffering for two months without homemade bread, they decided to bake something immediately. skimmed through the recipe book ... and in the end decided to bake bread with milk according to the recipe of an old bread machine - 100% proven option)))

WHAT WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED:
- I didn't hear how it works at all! read about these dispenser clicks - but I didn't hear anything! with hearing, everything is OK in the mulinex during the kneading, this bucket was bumping so that it was basically impossible to be in the kitchen. and here - silenceaa ...
- I was also very pleasantly surprised by how easily the bread slipped out of the bucket without leaving a single crumb on the valve. in moulinex, sometimes I still picked good pieces out of the bucket ..

to say that I am happy - to say nothing! Panasonic is super!

but one moment remained incomprehensible to me. I did everything as before - first liquid, then loose ingredients. the bread turned out to be excellent, as always and even better! and why in Panasonic recommend the opposite? What's the point? is this a mandatory rule?

[Lilya]

Lilya No rule is optional, but desirable. Panasonic technologists have been eating their bread for a reason since 1987

[Lilya]

Congratulations on a wonderful purchase. Lilya !
The rule for bookmarking products is not mandatory for me. I put yeast first, then flour, sugar, salt, butter and liquid. And Panasonic recommends this for dispenser owners. Good luck to you!

WHAT WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED:
- I didn't hear how it works at all! read about these dispenser clicks - but I didn't hear anything! with hearing, everything is OK in the mulinex during the kneading, this bucket was bumping so that it was basically impossible to be in the kitchen. and here - silenceaa ...
- I was also very pleasantly surprised by how easily the bread slipped out of the bucket without leaving a single crumb on the valve. in moulinex sometimes I still picked good pieces out of the bucket ..

to say that I am happy - to say nothing! Panasonic is super!

I also had the first Moulinex 5024, and then Panasonic 2502 and me too, this was a pleasant surprise. For the second year now, I am not overjoyed with this stove. A wonderful stove! Congratulations on a great purchase!

good afternoon everyone!

I can't help but share my delight with my new assistant SD-2502!

to say that I am happy - to say nothing! Panasonic is super!

Congratulations

good afternoon everyone!

I can't help but share my delight with my new assistant SD-2502!

Congratulations !!!

- I didn't hear how it works at all! ... but here - silenceaaa ...
- I was also very pleasantly surprised by how easily the bread slipped out of the bucket without leaving a single crumb on the valve.

Pani Sonya is such a delicate girl: she kneads - MUSIC, and at work she is quiet, and how the bread flies out of the bucket, I also like it so much !!!

to say that I am happy - to say nothing! Panasonic is super!

Happy breads!