Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)

Elena 65, I was waiting for your comment and it met my expectations In "Rye" I remove the scapula after the last batch and increase the proving time. In the oven I want to bake fr. baguettes, bread "brick" I will bake HP.

My "Rye-Wheat with Garlic and Provencal Herbs".

My family loves exactly wheat-rye bread for all occasions. I was looking for exactly this in the store before, but the taste was often unjustified, and then finally, exactly what I was looking for and was always at hand.

I also wanted to show my bread-loaves-baguettes, and then I thought, no, I won't. Someone has already seen. Those who have not seen, want to - find, do not want - is also his right.
And it's just great that you are all different, with your addictions, dislikes. I am very glad that you can listen to so many people with so many opinions, BUT about the same thing. Hurray to all of you, dear!

At Rye, I remove the shoulder blade after the last batch and increase the proofing time.

Well, why, then, is the Rye regime? If you still need to increase the proving time, and for some reason remove the shoulder blade?
Any Panasonic can handle any bread! In basic mode, you can bake everything

And yesterday I kneaded dough for bread in Panasonic as according to the first recipe, only I had only 320 g of wheat 1st grade and I added 180 g of rye, and the rest was according to the recipe, but the yeast was pressed. The time was late and I put the dough in the refrigerator, and in the morning at 9 o'clock I took it out in the L7 form, which I then put in Panasonic. There she turned on the "Baking" mode for 10 seconds and turned it off (so that it became warmer in the oven), then the dough rose and put on Baking for 1 hour. The dough stood overnight on a cold proofer so well, the bread tasted excellent. I enjoyed baking bread this way. I used to always put the dough on my morning buns like that, but now I tried to bake bread like that.

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And at what level should the dough be put in the refrigerator, how long does it take to "raise" the cold dough and what exactly does this method give to the finished product? So I ask in detail, I want to decide for myself, .. "is it worth the candle." I am looking for something new but I don’t want to get too messy, the bread is so tasty, I just faced the fact that “exotic flour” or special additives are needed for “new” tastes, but with our capabilities you will not be very fast.

Well, why, then, is the Rye regime? If you still need to increase the proving time, and for some reason remove the shoulder blade?
Any Panasonic can handle any bread! In basic mode, you can bake everything

If we bake wheat-rye with additives, then the kneading time on the rye mode is not enough for a high-quality mix and the gradual addition of several additives, we automatically switch to the main mode, mainly two mixes, so I just remove the mix by removing the paddle. At the same time, the dough rises more than three times, airy, light crumb structure. Now, in the summer, I turn on the baking early, the dough "grows" without heaving, and in winter it’s just this time, for a beautiful loaf.
I baked pure rye once, everything turned out fine, it just didn't go well for health, so we switched to mixed bread, which is the main one.
I agree that I don't use many modes, but somewhere there is a person who buys x / n just for the sake of this mode, and will be very happy with the purchase, but will not look at the main mode. Therefore, when choosing, I looked not only at the modes, but also at additional "functions"

And at what level should the dough be put in the refrigerator, how long does it take to "raise" the cold dough and what exactly does this method give to the finished product? So I ask in detail, I want to decide for myself, .. "is it worth the candle." I am looking for something new but I don’t want to get too messy, the bread is so tasty, I just faced the fact that “exotic flour” or special additives are needed for “new” tastes, but with our capabilities you will not be very fast.

I put the dough in the refrigerator above the vegetable containers, which is coldest, at least in mine. I put it in a bag and it still fits very well until morning. I make the dough in the evening, at 9-10 o'clock, it ends up rising, it is possible earlier. What does it do? Well, for example, I no longer need to think whether the dough has fermented or not. I know exactly what fermented and only he needs to warm up and rise, and then bake. And less hassle (for me). The end result is only positive. This was not my idea, and I had read about cold proofing of the dough before, but I used it mainly when baking buns. I don't impose this on anyone, I just shared my impressions. Maybe someone will try and they will like it too.

I put the dough in the refrigerator over the vegetable containers, which is coldest, at least in mine. I put it in a bag and it still fits very well until morning. I make the dough in the evening, at 9-10 o'clock it ends up rising, it is possible earlier. What does it do? Well, for example, I no longer need to think whether the dough has fermented or not. I know exactly what fermented and only he needs to warm up and rise, and then bake. And less hassle (for me). The end result is only positive. This was not my idea, and I had read about cold proofing of the dough before, but I used it mainly when baking buns. I don't impose this on anyone, I just shared my impressions. Maybe someone will try and they will like it too.

Masha, how long does it take to get up in the morning? I want to try.

If you turn on the Baking for a few seconds to warm it up inside, then about 30 minutes. But in the morning, when I just wake up, I immediately take out the dough from the refrigerator and it heats up. Then I'll knock him into a ball and in shape. Simply hassle with bread is much less. I sometimes baked buns for other days, but the result is still excellent. I think you can do the same with bread.

If you turn on the Baking for a few seconds to warm it up inside, then about 30 minutes. But in the morning, when I just wake up, I immediately take out the dough from the refrigerator and it heats up. Then I'll knock him into a ball and in shape. Simply hassle with bread is much less. I sometimes baked buns for other days, but the result is still excellent. I think you can do the same with bread.

We will try.

Try it. I think you'll like it.
P.S. Lena, I haven't tried it with additives - in the sense: onions, raisins, etc., but ordinary bread and buns, even rich ones - this is the way for them. It turns out that there is always ready-made dough and you can quickly get it out and bake bread (or buns).

I've read about cold proofing dough before, but used it mainly when baking buns. I don't impose this on anyone, I just shared my impressions. Maybe someone will try and they will like it too.

I tried a couple of times to bake the main bread with pressed yeast, the result was not pleasing, this yeast does not have enough time for normal fermentation. Probably for this reason in the instructions all recipes are with dry fast-acting yeast, always guaranteed excellent results. Pressed yeast is not that predictable.
Masha, I will also try with cold proofing for pressed yeast.

Try it, Natasha. I think this method is also suitable for dry yeast. But now I use pressed ones. And when they are not at hand or there is no time, then dry. I often put the dough on cold proofing (overnight) and then baked the loaves in the mini-oven. Sometimes it was not even possible to bake the next day, but only every other day - all the same, the result was excellent. The dough was kind of "strong". Happy bread!

Many thanks to you and Alexander!
Tomorrow I'll go buy 2500 !!!

Hmm ... I bought 2500. I put bread to knead. I did not expect such a roar and squeak ... And the bucket is shaking ...
Thunders, creaks. Horror. not wrong ... HORROR-HORROR !!!! Turned off, pulled out a bucket. Turned on to look. The bucket drive is uneven - spinning with a beat.
And this is a vaunted Panasonic .... The horror is shorter. I'm not exactly shocked. LG was practically noiseless and its shaft stood straight and spun without beating.
And here...
Comrades. Well, I don't know what kind of Panasonic you talked about. But what is sold now in stores is just utter horror. Panasonic is not the same, it turns out.

Don't upset me, I ordered HP today
Is it really so sad, maybe the bucket was uneven?

Don't upset me, I ordered HP today
Is it really so sad, maybe the bucket was uneven?

I set it very securely and evenly. During the kneading, a creak began. Opened - the bucket dangles a little.
I pulled it out of the socket. I watched the shaft spinning. Then he put the bucket 180 degrees. Reliable too. He turned it on - instead of a creak - it just rattles. Turned it off again. I returned it 180 degrees. back. And that thundered well, very much impossible.

A marriage in the drive shaft - his beating is abnormal.
Dear owners of 250x - if you have a problem-free copy - could you film how the shaft rotates during mixing with the bucket removed. It would be very necessary
I, as the bread is baked - will lay out - how it revolves with me. Thanks in advance!!!

If marriage can be exchanged? I would take back

I have already read the topic of problems - many stores either send them immediately or after 10-20 days of "examination".
Here in the service it probably makes sense to give the official one. If the Panasonic does not get lost (and I think that they know very well about this problem of their stove), then it will fix it - the shaft will replace or center it.
If the manufacturer's service center itself begins to fool around, then if you do not exhaust your nerves with running around with complaints in the store, nothing can be done already.

Yaby posted the video with pleasure, but I only have a camera and I don't know how to upload video to the network
Marriage happens, very rarely, but here you got

I have already read the topic of problems - many stores either send them immediately or after 10-20 days of "examination".

Have you read this? https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=10230.0
Do you always buy a pig in a poke? Didn't she rumble in the store? If you do not know what to do with the store that sold you scrap, contact the ZPP Society. They will teach.

Have you read this? https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=10230.0
Do you always buy a pig in a poke? Didn't she rumble in the store? If you do not know what to do with the store that sold you scrap, contact the ZPP Society. They will teach.

It's not about a pig in a poke and not about scraping. I bought in a fairly serious chain of stores that cares about their reputation (Terminal. Ru).
The store sold me a product produced by the Panasonic company, which I previously respected. The seller took out the box sealed by the manufacturer... Unpacked, checked the completeness. He plugged it in, let me run the kneading program for testing, then baking and packed it. I came to the store without flour and water, excuse me. And I think no store would give to check the stove "under load" before selling it. Or do you suggest arriving at the store early in the morning with the ingredients. To fill up everything and wait three hours until the oven kneads / kneads and bakes / bakes bread?
If now Panasonic products have become a "pig in a poke" and "crowbar" - the store is not to blame here. And what does vparivanie have to do with it - I chose the product myself and came to buy it. The fact that the manufacturer lost his life and his goods became Mr crowbar (in your own words) - NOT the fault of the store, which SELLS (does not produce) this product.
I have no complaints about the store yet. And when they first send me to the service - it will not be either. They paid for the goods to Panasonic. And whether Panasonic will compensate them for the cost of this product and whether they will take it back as a marriage - they cannot be sure in any way until the Panasonic service center confirms that the marriage has a place to be.
In general, I agree with you. Indeed, a reputable manufacturer now produces cats in a bag and scrap. And he also substitutes decent shops with his scrap. Sadness.

[Breezzze]

Breezzze
You know, but at the beginning the kneading is not evenly steep, but pulsating and TV in this mode for the first 3 minutes. Then it changes, 2 minutes with another pulsation, and then more evenly and quickly.
So your oven is turning normally. Well, with the shaft

If everything was fine in the store when checked, then it cannot become otherwise due to the load.
If the shaft is crookedly installed, then it would thunder in the store.

Yaby posted the video with pleasure, but only my camera shoots me and I can't upload video to the network
Marriage happens, very rarely, but here you got

Judging by the branch of problems, it is more correct to say "quite often". I shouldn't have read that branch right away.
p.s. If in the thread of problems from those who got married there would only be joyful responses about how the service center changed and repaired everything - respect for the manufacturer would still be preserved. And there it is a rarity. Basically, people fool around for weeks and return unrepaired stoves.

If everything was fine in the store when checked, then it cannot become otherwise due to the load.
If the shaft is crookedly installed, then it would thunder in the store.

I still can't believe my eyes - how could a stove with such a shaft defect pass the test on the manufacturer's conveyor ...
This is not some kind of non-name China ...

Don't upset me, I ordered HP today
Is it really so sad, maybe the bucket was uneven?

In general, check the stove carefully. Pull the bucket straight out and turn on the pizza dough kneading and watch how the shaft rotates. I think that normally the shaft should rotate without beating along the axis of rotation. Dear happy owners of Panasonic, am I thinking correctly?

Or do you suggest arriving at the store early in the morning with the ingredients.

I suggest not to juggle! Without load, judging by your descriptions, the bucket would have flown out. A store that cares about its reputation conducts pre-sale preparation. What did you like there? LG? And "... Panasonic is not the same, it turns out ..." It hurts a lot of shit at once on this firm. Suggestive ... So LG, you say? ...
Are you not a troll by nationality?

I have such a stove, 2500.
There is, of course, some kind of noise during operation and the bucket jumps a little when kneading, but it is not critical.
It seems to me how the whirligig will rotate and will not.

I suggest not to juggle! Without load, judging by your descriptions, the bucket would have flown out. A store that cares about its reputation conducts pre-sale preparation. What did you like there? LG? And "... Panasonic is not the same, it turns out ..." It hurts a lot of shit at once on this firm. Suggestive ... So LG, you say? ...
Are you not a troll by nationality?

I'm not jerking! I suggest not to slander and not to compose! Tomorrow I'll post the video with no load and with a load and everything will be clear. It is now 3:10 am until the end of the French program.
Let's get it in order
1. Without load, the blade does not rest against the dough and it is easier for the drive to twist it. Therefore, without load, there will be no squeaks and rumbles.
2. What the hell are you writing about pre-sales? The retail store sells boxes that are sealed by the manufacturer. Prints out before selling and checks - included / not included. It is up to the manufacturer to check the build quality on the conveyor. Do you seriously want to assure everyone here that the store should test all the stoves in the warehouse - bake a loaf in each one, and then put them on sale?
3. I have NEVER said that I liked LG. Why are you so silly lie disingenuous. I said that I had LG before, and compared to Panasonic - LG worked much quieter.
4. Panasonic is really not the same. Since those who used to buy - there is no bucket squeak or wobbling, but those who are buying now have. Here I do not even know how to argue.
5. A lot of shit on this company is poured out in the connected thread about problems. Moreover, thanks to the ZoZPP, which is very skewed towards the buyer and, at the same time, quite robustly burdening the seller with the obligations, and not the manufacturer of the goods, the negative from the purchase of the marriage for some reason goes to the seller, who must take the "scrap" made by Panasonic on his balance sheet, return for his "scrap" money to the buyer and incur a loss from it.

ZoZPP is quite adequate in cases where the seller carries and sells some kind of low-quality leftist, without authorized service centers, etc.
But to bend over and spread rot on the store, for the fact that Panasonic has already become so mowing with quality - well, it is clearly illogical.
Try to debate without demagogy, personalizing and inventing things for other people that they obviously did not say.

I set it very securely and evenly. During the kneading, a creak began. Opened - the bucket dangles a little.
I pulled it out of the socket. I watched the shaft spinning. Then he put the bucket 180 degrees. Reliable too. He turned it on - instead of a creak - it just rattles. Turned it off again. I returned it 180 degrees. back. And that thundered well, very much impossible.

A marriage in the drive shaft - his beating is abnormal.

And you yourself did not break his "neck" by chance? Everything is done there easily and neatly, effortlessly and a maximum rotation of 20 degrees. What 180 are you writing about?

Once again - the beginning of the kneading is PULSING.

Okay, let's not pour from empty to empty. We are waiting for your video tomorrow.

And you yourself did not break his "neck" by chance? Everything is done there easily and neatly, effortlessly and a maximum rotation of 20 degrees. What 180 are you writing about?

Once again - the beginning of the kneading is PULSING.

Are you reading carefully? "I watched the shaft spinning. Then I put the bucket 180 degrees."
Do you understand that the bucket has mirror symmetry and if you take the bucket out of the stove to see how the shaft rotates, and then rotate it 180 degrees in the air, you can put it back in?
And did I write somewhere that I did something hard and sloppy, with effort?
The method of installing and fixing the bucket is very clearly described in the manual and is also very clear if you look at the bottom of the bucket and the nest of the kneading shaft.
And why are you repeating to me about the fact that the beginning of the kneading is pulsating? I know it. I wrote that there was a creak during kneading.
By the way, in the thread of problems and videos can be found with a scratch. Here I have about the same.
p.s. From the branch of advice on choosing bread makers, where Panasonic is most (and not without reason) praised (primarily as reliable ovens), links are given to this branch, not to the branch of problems. In THIS thread, I just wanted to warn potential buyers of 250x that those HP Panasonic, which are now on store shelves, have a spontaneous marriage with a creak.

Since the end of last year, complaints began to appear about HP Panasonic. Recently, a friend wanted to buy - and they seemed to disappear from the stores! Since spring, they began to disappear from the shelves. Previously, there were 2-3 models in each department of household appliances, but now? Found only 1.5 shops with great prices. Either the party was recalled, or something else is strange somehow ...

Do you need to remove the shaft on the video without a bucket? I'll try to write it down tomorrow, maybe it will work.
Added in the morning: it does not work, does not want to write a sound. I will try again ...

I chose - I bought it about 2 months ago, we have a lot of them in any stores, and, thank you God, it bakes great, oh, I'm afraid to jinx it, not noisy at all, compared to Moulinex, I took 2051 after a long painful choice.

New SD-2500. Features:
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In another position, the bucket is tight (we turn it 180 g.) Looks like I put it in this position when I checked it in the store.
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When kneading, a strong creak (if put in a tighter position - then only a creak, if in a "shaky" - then also with a rumble (well, not strong, of course)
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I tried to wrap the pins of the attachment socket on the bucket with foil - the creak disappears for a while, then it appears again when the foil is erased. If you press the bucket with your hand, the srip also disappears.

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There she turned on the "Baking" mode for 10 seconds and turned it off (so that it became warmer in the oven), then the dough rose and put on Baking for 1 hour.

How long did it take for the dough to rise after heating for 10 seconds? And yet, the dough was not removed from the bucket after 10 seconds. warming up? In the same place it rises in a bucket?

How long did it take for the dough to rise after heating for 10 seconds? And yet, the dough was not removed from the bucket after 10 seconds. warming up? In the same place it rises in a bucket?

I didn't notice for sure, but not for long, about 30 or 40 minutes. I took the dough out of the refrigerator early, it warmed up in the room and then very quickly began to increase in volume. I baked not in a bucket from Panasonic, but in the form of L7, and put the dough into it, rolling it into a bar (if you bake in a bucket from Panasonic, then you can put the dough in it by pulling out the mixer, it is not needed). It would be possible to preheat the form (I put it on the battery to warm it up in winter) so that it was warm, next time I will do so. I closed the lid, turned on the Baking mode for 10 seconds, so that the oven warmed up and the bucket warmed up (I even turned on the Baking mode 2 times for 10 seconds after an interval of 15 minutes) and turned it off. Then the dough came up almost to the edge of the mold (it did not reach about 1 cm to the edge) and turned on the Baking mode for 1 hour. I did not pull out the dough when warming up. Just do not overdo it, otherwise the shadows heat up very quickly.

[Breezzze]

Breezzze, and this is by chance not that "cheap" purchase for 4400.00 rubles? By the "beating" of the form and pressing it with my hand - there was already a user with such a problem, at the beginning of the year, he decided everything by contacting the service. Then he wrote that he was enjoying the silence. In general, I took a risk, bought a European without a guarantee. And I also checked it upon receipt, everything is fine, I enjoy the device. I think I need to either change it in the store or in the service.
And it's too early to sin for a company, now so many fakes are going to our "wild" markets, the company may not be to blame for this.

[Breezzze]

Breezzze, and this is by chance not that "cheap" purchase for 4400.00 rubles? By the "beating" of the form and pressing it with my hand - there was already a user with such a problem, at the beginning of the year, he decided everything by contacting the service. Then he wrote that he was enjoying the silence. In general, I took a risk, bought a European without a guarantee. And I also checked it upon receipt, everything is fine, I enjoy the device. I think I need to either change it in the store or in the service.
And it's too early to sin for a company, now so many fakes are going to our "wild" markets, the company may not be to blame for this.

Yes. for 4440, to be exact.
I don't understand your logic, to be honest.
- the store is well done - he took it and made a discount (I don't know for what reason - maybe the big batch was sold out for a long time, and he arranged an action, bake by the way in March 2013 of production) on the goods. And the box was unpacked in front of me - it was packed by the manufacturer, and we and the store employee who shipped it to me were the first who opened it after she left the Panasonic factory.
- The stove that I bought (yes - for such a wonderful price) was definitely made by Panasonic. I have no doubts about that. Obviously not a fake.
- Problems with squeaks are the main topic of the last several pages of problems. And all of them are clearly not forgeries made by Panasonic stoves.
- In the topic of problems, there are often stories about how the service centers of buyers turn up with this creak, but do not eliminate the marriage.
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How can the manufacturer be not to blame and what suddenly the store can be to blame?
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I agree with you - you need to take it to the service and I'm sure they will fix it. But there are fears - that this repair will take a lot of time and the service will at first resist and play football.

[Breezzze]

Breezzze You have a contractual relationship with the store, you can contact the store with a claim, and then the expertise, service ...

... So LG, you say? ...

And what did LG displease you? Judging by the dots, you won't say anything flattering.
I recognize our forum - all HP bad, well, or let's just say, unworthy, besides Panasonic (although I myself respect this company)

Well, why, then, is the Rye regime? If you still need to increase the proving time, and for some reason remove the shoulder blade?
Any Panasonic can handle any bread! In basic mode, you can bake everything

When baking rye on Rye, you can do without any additional manipulations at all.

When baking rye on Rye, you can do without any additional manipulations at all.

I know it baked. But the result was not impressive. A mode for the lazy, who will do it anyway.

[irysska]

And why did LG not please you? Judging by the dots, you won't say anything flattering.
I recognize our forum - all HP bad, well, or let's just say, unworthy, except for Panasonic (although I myself respect this company)

Yes, I will not say anything: neither flattering nor bad. I don't know her. But I fully admit that this is a decent device. I did not like the run over to Panasonic and, in spite of him, praising LG (it's not about the brand).
Well, imagine. A neighbor comes to you and starts:
- I bought exactly the same LG bread maker as yours, but it is such rubbish, and LG is such a shit! Here's a neighbor's Panasonic bread maker, well, such a lala! Straight song !!!
And where will you send it? That's right, to the neighbor.
You have a wonderful stove, irysska

[Breezzze]

Breezzze You have a contractual relationship with the store, you can contact the store with a claim, and then the expertise, service ...

I confess to you honestly - there is no desire to return the money for the stove. Got really at a very good price - even cheaper than some LG, it turns out. And the stove is solid. The drive socket is generally seriously made - it is strange that such defects were made in it by Panasonic. Good paddle and bucket coverage. Excellent baking. The bread, the kneading of which woke up the younger one (ran to lull), was then gobbled up by the older children in a day. Very tasty French!
And I don't want to carry it to the service and part with the stove - as soon as it became clear that the old LG would not knead the bread next time - I ran to the store for Panas - I didn't want to be left without fresh bread for a day.
I will choose the moment and give it to the service. If I found out - maybe everything can be fixed there without replacing spare parts with direct hands - I would have disassembled the drive unit and repaired it myself. But it seems to me - there is a defective shaft and it needs to be replaced.
On the forum, many give analogies with a Mercedes. So, if the box of a new purchased Mercedes starts to be buggy, the handbrake is jammed SUDDENLY, or something else - you will of course say - "there was no such thing on the Camry", but you will not change back. All the same, a Mercedes - it's not some kind of Toyota. And you don't want to give a new car to the service and walk for a week (and you just bought it). But the fact that "Mercy went not the same" - you will definitely say. And it will be true.
p.s. No one has ever thrown off the video of the shaft rotation without a bucket. And I really wanted to compare.

p.s. Nobody ever threw off the video of the shaft rotation without a bucket. And I really wanted to compare.

To throw off a video, you need to know what moment of mixing you have recorded (time on the display), I would have thrown off my 2502, so I decided not to go. I thought that the "direct" owners would support you. And I wrote about the price, such a mentality, never when I buy something too "sweet" price. I don't believe in miracles. Cheaper than in a store, yes, I will buy it in an Internet store, because I know how this difference develops.

p.s. No one has ever thrown off the video of the shaft rotation without a bucket. And I really wanted to compare.

I can't record sound. I was writing on the 7-ke, but now Khryushka is on my computer and the microphone for Skype had to be taken additional, not built-in. Probably something is wrong with the firewood ... and the video will fall off every other time. I can only take a picture. Advise a program that would record from a web camera. Virtualdub for 32-bit system does not want to communicate normally with the camera ...

Mash, I have already thrown off the video in PM.

Why not here ??
And then I already began to doubt ......... maybe I have a rumble ...
There is no squeak, but the bucket also seems to bounce when mixing ...

[Rina]

Yes, I saw how dirty she was ... On the video, you can see the dirt better That's why in a personal. I took it off with a camera (soap dish), so This is the very beginning of the 02 program "Basic Fast".
Immediately the question is: How can you wash it? The inner surface is rough, and even fried - it just doesn't wipe off

Rina, Ir, forgive me, please, we have added so much work for you, you will have to transfer a lot, and even selectively