And again, 1001 times about the flour of choice !!! For owners of ovens Moulinex 5004 and Panas 255

I often bake rye-wheat on the white bread setting and am quite happy.
Here are tips on how to bake rye bread in a bread maker if there is no such function:

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...mf&Itemid=26&topic=1038.0

Guys I will definitely describe
While I am reporting the result, these monsters, apparently, have appeared quite recently, so they are not in Mvideo, this is how the senior manager told me of this store
A bread maker, please, and how do we advise BORK, that's a hilarity. We agreed that I would buy 255 Panas from them on January 20, when 50% can be paid by cards.

[Student]

Student, the light did not converge like a wedge on Mvideo ...
Here are Eldorado stores in Magnitogorsk -
call, visit, ask ...
Look in other networks that you have in the city ... Good luck!

these monsters, apparently quite recently appeared, so they are not in Mvideo, that's how the senior manager told me of this store

To put it mildly, this manager is disingenuous. Multicooker arrived a couple of years ago. Pakat is right - look in other stores.

[Kosha]

Kosha, the manager is not dissembling, it is just that Mvideo does not sell multicooker
and is not going to do so in the future ...

Pakat, you have amazing awareness for a Toronto resident !!! And not only about the presence of multicooker! I respect !!!!
Student, they never were in MVideo, you were told right! And the sellers do not even know anything about the available product, let alone the missing one.
Search in Eldorado or MediaMarkt.!
Do not flatter yourself about bonus cards. Not all goods will be able to pay. presented in the store + no more than 20% of their value (more often, no more than 10%). I have already come across this razvodilovo, I hope you will get around the disappointment in their "gifts" ...

Do not flatter yourself about bonus cards. Not all goods will be able to pay. presented in the store + no more than 20% of their value (more often, no more than 10%). I have already come across this razvodilovo, I hope you will get around the disappointment in their "gifts" ...

Okay, let's wait a week and see how honest they are. There, after all, they gave cards not for half the amount of the previously purchased goods, but 10% of the total.

Well that's it! I am now a young baker. We took 255, we did not give a 50% discount, but gave only 45%, and this is due to the payment system, since there was not enough a couple of dozen rubles up to 7 tons. At 254 they gave completely 50%, but if you take that, then the older brother.

Now about the impressions. After the purchase, we put the usual, XL bread for 4 hours. C burst instantly. French was put on for the night. From here such questions arose.

1) Why was the weight of regular bread, size XL, 996 grams, where are my 254 grams?

2) French is no different from usual, but bakes for 2 hours more. Is it as it should? Or does it depend on the recipe?

3) How to start a young baker's journey, what are some selected recipes on the forum? Now I'm interested in what is for tea, for example.

Congratulations on your purchase and your first bread! Neighbors ran into the smell?
French - it has a shorter crumb and a crispier crust.
Selected recipes are all collected on the forum - choose what you like and what the ingredients are for. I hope you remember the kolobok?

[Student]

Student , your 254 g has evaporated!
This is normal, the weight of the bookmark is always different from the weight of the finished bread.

French bread is tall. very tall with a crisper thicker crust

On the right there is a button-recipes-there is a sea of ​​them, both sweet and any other

Student, there you go! DONE !!!!
Congratulations on your purchase! Now the brides will queue up for the bride to be tripled: still, hard-working, and even loves to cook!
Of the sweet, not particularly tricky recipes, I could recommend "Very tasty cake from Elena Bo" Very accurate, verified and stable as a result of bread for tea. True, I add raisins there, otherwise the apple "dissolves" in the dough and is not noticeable. If there are no apples, I put this recipe without apples. it turns out delicious!
For a student company I recommend "monkey bread" - it can be made with jam, and with fresh fruits and berries, in a word, whatever the farm can find.
And you can make just white milk, and then smear each slice with honey - also an option!
Congratulations again! Successful bread to you!
PS Will you time the multicooker to coincide with February 23rd, or have you decided to do with one HP?

Congratulations again! Successful breads to you!
PS Will you time the multicooker to coincide with February 23rd, or have you decided to do with one HP?

Yeah thanks. As for my favorite recipes from 255, why I decided to ask is to surprise the "brides" as soon as possible, on January 25 on the nose))

We never found her about MV. In Eldorado, we were once, no one took it there, as they told us they bought something, and you were naughty saying that you can't cook porridge for yourself. I don't like these shops at all

While we will study HP, next year it may be in mvideo MV and we will take it for half the price))

[Student]

Student , with the purchase of you! And happy experiments!

About 254 grams. Only today we discussed this topic on the trunk. (IXbt Forum). It seems to me that the maximum baking weight is indicated for bread with additives. If you add raisins or sausages to a regular recipe, you will have just 1200

I want to report on Moulinex 5004
I have already had the stove for more than a year, there are no complaints, the state of Teflon is like new.
I'm happy with the stove. Especially useful if you have a large family or students.
The largest loaf weighs 1.5 kg

Goodnight! I have Moulinex 3000. I'm very happy. True, I have it (on the 8th it will be 2 months), and so far there have been no complaints. If you have the opportunity to compare these ovens at work, then you and "cards in hand".

I have a Moulinex 5004.

Within a month after the purchase, the whole family was happy.

All.
"specsi" ie does not work.

The batch function does not work.
They calm down in the service - in just two weeks, when the queue comes, we will tell you what is the matter. Then we will order spare parts from the manufacturer, then ...

Maybe you really should have taken "Panas 255go"?

I have a Mulya 5004 for six months already. In general, there are no complaints about it, I bake almost every day, bread in the store has never been bought during this time. I don't like it just that it sticks a lot to the mixers if you don't get them after the second batch. It seems to me that this is a big flaw of the manufacturer. They say there is no such thing in Panas.

I have already written on the forum, but I will repeat: sellers in different stores and service workers categorically declare that the percentage of defective products of these two Brands is 50/50. Other Brands have fewer defects, but the number of HP sold is scanty.

[kvantil]

I have already written on the forum, but I will repeat: sellers in different stores and service workers categorically declare that the percentage of defective products of these two Brands is 50/50. Other Brands have fewer defects, but the number of HP sold is scanty.

50/50: - \ Statistics is a thing that cannot be diminished!https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2899.0
kvantil Posted by Reply # 161: 22 March 2009, 00:20:48
1. Panasonic: q = 9 / (9 + 192) = 0.045, that is, out of every hundred HPs operated by members of the forum, during time t, an average of 4 or 5 pieces fail, which is a good indicator in world practice. Panasonic ovens are the most reliable among the ones presented at the forum!
2. Hitachi: q = 1 / (1 + 10) = 0.09. Deserved second place.
3. Delonghi: q = 3 / (3 + 24) = 0.11. Bronze medalist.
4. Kenwood: q = 6 / (6 + 40) = 0.13.
5. LG: q = 9 / (9 + 55) = 0.14. Within the statistical error, HP Kenwood and LG have the same reliability.
6. Moulinex: q = 20 / (20 + 92) = 0.18.
7. Binatone: q = 7 / (7 + 8) = 0.47. That is, almost half of the HP of this brand in the time t is denied, which, you see, is completely unacceptable for us, consumers. I would like to hope that inaccuracies crept into the initial data and the owners of the HP of this brand will check their answers.

It seems to me that this information will help guests and forum participants deciding which HP to buy, this information will help them make the right choice.

Panasonic is more reliable and, perhaps, more stable.
Mulinex knows how to baguettes and something else.
In this Moulinex model, by the way, does the bucket mount on latches or on a bayonet?

About the bucket, ask the knowledgeable people here, they will prompt
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9080.45

Yes, mailgor at the expense of the mixer, I agree. Sticks, downright decent piece. Rarely does it stay in bread. I was the only one who thought that. ... And so, who knows, who is no longer lucky ?! : Dmmcentr, it's a pity that you have such a situation. Much depends on the service.
Into the Hitachi account. I have never seen this brand on the shelves. Mostly Panasy, Mulki, LG. In any case, in "our village".
Well, as they say, wait and see ...

About the bucket, ask the knowledgeable people here, they will prompt
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9080.45

Yes, I don't care, but the latches are bad. I looked in the stores of several mulinexes for parts there were latches.

Yes, mailgor at the expense of the mixer, I agree. Sticks, downright decent piece. Rarely does it stay in bread. I was the only one who thought that.

Nemo, but my dough never stuck to the bucket. They say that a lot of HP of the gray assembly (and this is no longer even China), but this is checked only when the HP gets into the service. If you get a product of gray assembly, then it is not subject to warranty service. In this case, all claims are against the seller.
As for statistics, this statistical study should not be carried out according to the parameter of the survey of members of the forum, but have at least several measurement parameters, starting from the number of CPs sold by a particular Brand in the country, taking into account their wear and tear, service life, at what stage of use the refusal occurred how serious it is, as well as a large number of other introductory information, among which the service maintenance of the HP of one or another Brand plays an important role. And all our amateur research can only amuse the owners of HP with supposedly better quality, nothing more. And the refusal can affect the most reliable product! Therefore, the right of choice remains with the acquiring HP, no matter how much we would like to lure him to one side or the other. Moreover, rarely any of us uses the HP of both Brands, therefore, to judge the merits and demerits of one or another Brand, from our side, is unfounded. It’s time to stop this search for the ultimate truth, which has set everyone on edge, and come to terms with our HP and members of the forum, the owners of other (also glorious) HP.

[Panevg1943]

Good morning to all bakers !!! Panevg1943 You misunderstood me or I put it that way. My bread does not stick to the bucket, but to the mixer. At the expense of brands, I agree with you. But on the other hand, I would not refuse to compare the work of Mulka and Panasonic. Maybe I will have such an opportunity soon. Seeing my delight in the quality and taste of the bread, one of my friends has already bought the HP-Mulya 3000 (my husband is delighted), and my friends (a family of 6 people, three children), having listened to the story + having tried it, bought Mulyu 5004 - very satisfied. Now godfathers (fighters for a healthy lifestyle) are on the way, and maybe they have already become owners of HP. So they were going to buy Panasonic. This brand is highly respected.
I'll find out, I'll let you know. With respect.

Panevg1943 You misunderstood me, or I put it so unsuccessfully. My bread does not stick to the bucket, but to the mixer.

Maybe this is some kind of flaw in your particular model? My bread does not stick to any parts of the CP, but the stirrers often remain in the bread and can be easily pulled out, leaving such neat holes in the bread:

Advise which one to buy?

Advise which one to buy?

Panasonic SD255

Advise which one to buy?

Ask around in the shops of sellers, which stoves have more complaints, and it is inappropriate to advise something in this situation, since how many people have so many opinions.

Ask around in the shops of sellers, which stoves have more complaints, and it is inappropriate to advise something in this situation, since how many people have so many opinions.

Do NOT ask sellers! They have a setup to sell allas a rule, going into the store and asking for something in-depth, "consultants are sailing" i.e. That is, they are not in the "topic" It is better to read it here on the forum, and Walk around to touch the hardware itself in the store with pens, you will immediately understand what's what!

[sazalexter]

Once again, I repeat, you do not need to ask the sellers! They have a setup to sell all It is better to read it here on the forum, or here you go and touch the iron itself in the store with the eyes-pens, you will immediately understand what's what!

sazalexter, and I asked in several stores and based on the opinions expressed, I made my choice, which I do not regret. That's right, if there is only one model in the store, then why ask. And, if, as for example, in the Technopark there are about 7-9 of them, then you can listen.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, and I asked in several stores and based on the opinions expressed, I made my choice, which I do not regret. That's right, if there is only one model in the store, then why ask. And, if, as for example, in the Technopark there are about 7-9 of them, then you can listen.

You were told quite rightly. Sellers DO NOT LISTEN. Rather, listen, but do it your own way. Sellers float, sellers have their quirks, sellers receive specific instructions, sellers are not going to bake bread.

[Eretik]

sellers are not going to bake bread.

Eretik, and here is your untruth. Technopark is constantly making baked goods in different CPs (at least in our area) and offering customers to take a sample and make a decision.

[Eretik]

Eretik, and here is your untruth. Technopark is constantly making baked goods in different CPs (at least in our area) and offering customers to take a sample and make a decision.

Oh my God! What does a cheap publicity stunt and your problems with a choice have to do with it? You will pay YOUR money for HP and will use it. What does the seller have to do with it? He will receive a commission and / or a good relationship with the boss. The seller doesn't care about your stove problems (or luck). His mouth is full of his worries.

As has already been said a hundred thousand times on the forum, any stove gives normal bread (even non-name HP). On the other hand, any stove (even the most expensive one) can spoil bread. How they bake in Technosil knows only one God, the great and almighty. And the creativity of today's marketers knows no bounds. Do you propose to judge KhP by baking in an unknown salon by unknown people from unknown materials in unknown conditions? I would not risk it.

And it was the seller who convinced me to buy Mulya and my husband supported him, but she came with a firm intention to take Panasonic. My husband’s opinion became decisive, but if there are failures in baking, then I’m not to blame, I didn’t choose.

But in general, the stove is good.

for example, I chose the stove like this. First, I climbed the entire Internet until I came across this site. Everything is detailed, everything is with comments. Already savvy went to the store. Pradavtsy (true yours) are like Vldai sheep - something unintelligible bleating there, not at all in the subject. If I had not armed myself with knowledge, I do not know what I would have chosen there. But the decisive word was said by the husband - mulka. He doesn’t have enough hot baguettes for breakfast. Traveled comparing prices, and then bought.
I'll tell you right away - the first pancake was lumpy. But experience - the son of difficult mistakes - put everything in its place. Since December, I have only my own bread. and pies. and dough for Easter cakes. and dough for manti.
And in general - they bought the same stove for my mother. Her hands can't knead the dough - pazhalsta! do not knead - take out and bakes)
Fore6ver bread maker !!!

The stove is good, and if it were not for the problems with the bucket, then the price would not be there
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9080.0
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https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8229.0

Rumor has it that it will be removed from production (this is the place in order to modernize and remove their pardons)

Hello gentlemen, bakers!
I was going to buy a bread maker. The choice is between Panas 255 and Moulinex 5004 (5002). I think that there is not much difference between Moulinex 5004/5002, except for a stand for baguettes?
I still had a question: can Moulinex do everything the same as Panasonic? Kneading the dough on dumplings, pizza, homemade noodles?
I just opted for Panasonic, and when it appears in stores, it is not known, and suddenly it will cost much more. And here in Metro, mulka 5004 costs about 6,500 rubles. I've already broken my whole head, I don't want to lose either in quality or in price. Help, pliz.

Look at the survey topic "Which manufacturers are the most reliable bread makers". It can be seen from it that on average every 23 stove breaks in Panasonic, and every 4th in Mulinex. Only users of our forum voted. therefore it is possible to believe.
I do not think that Panas255 will cost more than 6.5 thousand! In MVideo the day before yesterday I saw the 254th model for 5 kopecks. Maybe you should take it?
Of course, now the owners of Mulek will shower me with slippers, but if I had a choice between Panas and Mulka, I would not hesitate to take Panas even for a second!
By the way, have you contacted the exchange and service under the warranty card at METRO yet? God save you from such entertainment! Everything is sent "for 3 stars", because there is no service center. no workshop, no authorized - ANYONE! You will wait until Easter donkey!

Of these two stoves, the correct choice (reliability) is the Panasonik. I am not biased, I have another.

Of course, now the owners of Mulek will shower me with slippers, but if I had a choice between Panas and Mulka, I would not hesitate to take Panas even for a second!

I am the owner of Mulka and would also choose Panas, and also without hesitation. Read the section on the forum: Operation, subsection: Moulinex - continuous problems and my Moulya is no exception ...

Thank you very much for your answers! I decided to take a 254 bread maker (I will survive without a Lispenser, but I read rye what you can do in it)))).
I live in Perm, for some reason we don't have low prices for stoves
For example 254 - 6000 rubles. And in the branded magician Panasonic they gave me a price of about 6.500 rubles.
255 - 7600 rubles.
Mulya 5004 - 8200 rubles !!!
So, perhaps today I will buy the 254 model))))). I know exactly what is in stock, at least a couple of days ago.

In Eldorado, be sure to look, there are often discounts (all sorts of promotions) and generally do not really wind up ... Sometimes in MVideo there are also tolerable price tags.

On Yandex, in the Market section, there are such unflattering reviews about Moulinex, specifically because of these two I deleted it from my list ((

The usual model, no worse and no better than others: - |
detailed estimates

Advantages: good quality bread, two heating elements, two stirrers, programs for baguettes and Borodino bread, a reasonable recipe book.

Disadvantages: the quality of the mechanical part leaves much to be desired, while stirring the dough, something squeaks suspiciously, the stirrer drives are erased, the people on Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com complain about breakdowns (for now everything works for me). The transformer hums loudly even when idling.

Commentary: Despite the shortcomings, the experience is generally positive. There are still no other models that bake baguettes :-)
Is the review helpful? Yes 2 / No 0
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April 27, 12:42
Bad model, not the best choice :-(

Disadvantages: The oven is under warranty. There is blackness around the stirrer pins when baking. The "service" said that the graphite bearing had failed and showed a number of commissioned Moulinex stoves with the same defect. We were advised to buy a new vat for 1000 rubles, since the manufacturer does not consider it a manufacturing defect, but without evidence refers to improper operation and refuses a warranty exchange !!!!!!!!!!! The oven was operated by me in accordance with the instructions.

Comment: Do not buy Moulinex heaters. Their mechanical part is defective and requires factory revision.

Bunny! Don't take the mulya, G !!!! I died after 3 days of operation. I managed to bake 6 loaves and 1 cake. breaks down very quickly. better than Panasonic, as many say. Happy choice!

Bunny! Don't take the mulya, G !!!! I died after 3 days of operation. I managed to bake 6 loaves and 1 cake.breaks down very quickly. better than Panasonic, as many say. Happy choice!

You didn't notice, but Bunny wrote a year and a half ago, and she successfully bakes in her oven. How lucky here

When my LH dies, I'll buy myself only programmed hp

I ordered myself a Panas 254 stove, via the Internet. I look forward to when I no longer buy bread in the store

The agony of choice! When my Mulineshka broke down, after rereading the entire forum, I stopped at Panasonic and miscalculated. Yes, undoubtedly, everything is better at Panasonic, except for the final result. Although the taste and color ......... many can argue, but bread in Mulieszka is much tastier. The same recipe gives a very different end product in the two bread makers. In Panasonic, delicious buns are obtained, even if you lay down a recipe with whole flour - the result is loaf, and I love gray bread. Mulineshka gives out exactly bread with its flavor palette - gray means gray, white means white, with milk means loaf version. Well, baking - not to compare. In Mulieszka, you can bake a real fat pasta. and Elena Bo's cake is an unsurpassed masterpiece in Mulineshka. I baked both in Mulineshka and in Panasonic. No comparison. Therefore, Panasonic now gave it to her daughter - let her learn to be a mistress. Yes, it's a shame that Moulinex has a lot of technical flaws, but if it breaks down again, I'll buy Moulinex anyway. For the money I can afford it, but the bread undoubtedly turns out to be completely different - our family loves it more.

For a long time there have been no posts about delicious mulinex bread, more and more people are writing about Panasonic. It's still not about the stove, but about the owner, the components
and bias