Drinking water purifiers

And at the dacha I have an aquaphor cut in, Krastall, it seems, with three flasks, they cut into the pipes, and an additional faucet is placed on top of the sink. Gloomy water from a well, iron is 30 times the excess. First, the Geyser stands, removes coarse mechanical particles, this is industrial water, and then I draw water into a bucket with a thin stream from the aquaphor, then pouring water from this bucket into a 6-liter tabletop Coolmart, with three filters, then from there into this type of Barrier, BestWater seems to be. Insane asylum Today I wrote off with the manufacturers of filter systems, the iron tortured me, I can't take it anymore, the smell from the tap is fainting, the excess is still in manganese. In general, I will put such a gas cylinder, but with my growth. it turns out for the money - shoot yourself. But there is no way out - mom scandals. I have already ordered cartridges for all the other filters, so that while they are installing, we will not get poisoned there, and then we will also use it, to heighten peace of mind. But there must be water! And always clean!

[Eleanor]

Eleanor, I already wrote, for many years I drink and cook only with distilled water. They were going to install a powerful filter, but they calculated the cost with the installation, the cost of operation with the replacement of filters, buy cheaper ...

[Pakat]

Pakat I am an impressionable lady, and one of the shortcomings is an irrepressible thirst for pumping out information.
I don’t remember when and, I don’t remember exactly where, because I am absorbing books in insane quantities and I’m scrolling through information sites and others as a prospector, but I came across an article about water. I was shocked when I read that the ancient Romans experimented on slaves and from birth gave them distilled water to drink (one of the experiments), plus all the food was prepared just like that. The results finished me off. Although later I wondered how they did it, this distillation, how much it was actually distilled.

[Eleanor]

Eleanor, then people living in the highlands and drinking water flowing out of melting glaciers, and this is also distilled water,
must die in agony, like your Roman slaves ...
It is documented that the Romans drank water with lead, the joints of the aqueducts were fastened to them, one of the reasons for their degeneration ...

Did a google search but found nothing about slaves ...

Today I changed replaceable filters (cartridges) at Aquafor - I have a five-stage one under the sink.

These filters (3 out of 5) served 6 months.

And this is what I have in the end. The first filter is covered with some kind of sticky clayey oily mass, which can be washed only with soap.




Six months ago, these filters were pure white.

[Admin]

Admin, what a horror!
At the dacha, in general, I filtered everything, counted the number of filters and fainted, this is even with the fact that the analysis of water showed only a terrible overkill for iron, but I installed such a wildly huge system on this iron, like a gas cylinder, only height 175 cm! Well, and to this system, softeners, some kind of magnetic resonators, then a coarse filter on the pipe, then an aquaphor with three glasses. This is all water for washing, absolutely clean, but for cooking and drinking I still have Keosan, I installed such a canister, there are still three filters and water flows through the silver-plated faucet, and only then, I pour into a special decanter, such as a filter jug, with iron cartridge. In general, distilled water is obtained, But I have enough trace elements at home, in my apartment

[Admin]

Admin, horror! My husband asked in what area do you live? I ask permission to copy your photos in order to scare people on another forum. I will give a link to this site.
Eleanor, it already looks like paranoia.

[Admin]

For many years, the quality of water, I determine the device TDS 1, here is similar -
On distilled water - 0.00-0.01, reverse osmosis 0.04-0.06, from the tap - 0.28-0.30
Admin, I can't even imagine how much he would show on your water ...

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo, I live in Dmitrov - 55 km from Moscow.
I don’t mind, show everyone what kind of water flows in our water pipes.

Pakat, TDS 1 I have. And it shows good water, all the dirt and shock are taken over by the cartridges, which need to be changed every 3 months.
I now have a five-stage Aquaphor OSMO filter, with reverse osmosis. I use the filter only for drinking, food and preservation.

[Admin]

Admin, horror! My husband asked in what area do you live? I ask permission to copy your photos in order to scare people on another forum. I will give a link to this site.
Eleanor, it already looks like paranoia.

Nope, this is not paranoia! I am completely calm about the water that flows through the pipes in my Moscow, normal. The entire Moscow region suffers from an excess content of iron in water, and in urban settlements where there is a central water supply, there are always purification filters, but you can easily determine the admixture of iron on the surface of sinks, bathtubs and, sorry, toilets. This does not mean that people do not wash them, it is just that the iron exceeds all conceivable norms. And when I did a water analysis at the dacha, where we have our own well, and after a couple of hours, poured into a completely white plastic bottle, it turns into a medium brown liquid and there is a sediment of rusty flakes on the bottom, and it still smells slightly of this very iron .... Water was taken from the well, but when we made our own water supply system, you won’t shake it from the well, therefore, according to the results of the analysis, the manager in the company that was supposed to install the filters for me, a very polite girl, said: “I'm sorry, please, but You just ... forgive me, please, for the expression, an awesome amount of iron. " That's why I started to make such a system. In almost all houses in the Moscow region, in which they conduct their own water supply system, that is, they have their own wells and all the wiring, the story is just like that. people put on such complex filtration systems. And I was lucky that the rest of my indicators are completely normal.
And the iron was 0.39. The package will probably tell you how many times it exceeds the norm. I was told in different firms that something about 30 times.

About tap water in Moscow.

Zleonor's quote "I am completely calm about the water that flows through the pipes in my Moscow, normal"


I was also very calm about the quality of water at my home in Moscow. And when I was invited to the presentation of filters and showed the results of analyzes of different samples - I was skeptical according to the principle "well, I certainly do not have this, and cannot be!"
Until my acquaintance manager persuaded me to check the water at my house. Not somewhere, at someone's abstract - but at my house!

This is a photo of water samples from my Moscow apartment. Made before installing the filter, then I installed the Zepter water filter.
Left sample of tap water in my apartment, right sample after passing through a filter (five-stage).
Compared water after its electrolysis treatment.

Beginning - measuring water TDSkoy left from the tap 145 units, right filter 8 units.
In appearance, the water is clean in both samples - filter tap

Sorry, for the quality of the pictures - I did it from the photos.



Start of electrolysis - filter tap - compare yourself



Continuation of electrolysis ...



The electrolysis is over ... the water is settled by the filter tap



What a "beauty" in tap water - the whole palette of paints and nasty things, including oil stains on the surface. By the way, the stain on the edge of the jar has not yet been washed.



The settled water after two hours. In tap water at the bottom, sediment in the form of grains (like a poppy seed is fine)
The water from the filter is clean after electrolysis (right)



And on such water we cook food, preserve, drink, prepare tea and so on we take inside….

Water brewing - brew after 9 hours - dark - tap, right filter



Draw your own conclusions.

What a nightmare is so beautifully described ... Respect! When I changed the filter (we have an aquaphor) and saw something of a terrible color, pulled out into the light of day (it was a dirty filter), I even began to wash my face with water from the filter, all the same, we do not spend so much as stated by our modification. To clearly describe the color, this is about 4 photographs on an unfortunate can of dirt
Only one thing confuses - why in the steamer there is still scale from the filtered water (Brown FS 20) ... A friend does not have such scale, the filters are actually the same. The model of our filter is aquaphor 5-stage cleaning.

Yes, I've seen enough of this ...
My friend, a Canadian French, has a distilled water business, makes presentations on water quality, shows electrolysis, I helped him.
Right before your eyes, in a jar of seemingly clean water, yellow mud begins to swirl and settles on the electrodes ...
And from the distillers, during their cleaning, stones are unloaded, a considerable number of them. Distilled water, they brought me home in 20 liter jugs, controlled it all the time, and even returned it a couple of times.
After moving, I buy water in supermarkets, in 4 liter bottles, the cost is the same. I control the quality periodically.

Oh my God! Now I ask for advice on a water filter in Moscow! Admin, you have a five-stage aquaphor, does it crash into the pipes? Does it take up a lot of space? And yet, I have a water meter on my pipes, when I install it, nothing will be damaged there?

I have filters (both) under the sink - five-stage.
One Zeptrerovsky (very high quality, put it for a long time), the second Aquaphor OSMO - set a cheap 6000 thousand six months ago - also cleans water well.

The filter is supplied with a tank for 12 liters of clean water - this is quite enough for various needs.
All this stuff fits under the sink.

In this version, the water meters have nothing to do with it, they stand on the riser.

I don't have a riser, I have a counter under the sink, our house is like this: plumbers swear that they have to start-up and shut down from the first to the 10th floor four times at the entrance, everything is different for everyone, and the builders find bugs under the plaster for listening and they are stunned, there is also a separate room on each floor, a little more than 4 meters, closed with a key, there comrades from the organization of 3 letters used to sit and listen to what was going on, since the house seemed to be built for their employees. Therefore, I am toil: it will be possible to put a filter or not, if I have a meter just next to the siphon under the sink

From what I've heard, this experience with electrodes is pure quackery.
In fact, it does not show dirt, but the presence of trace elements in the water.
It's just that after reverse osmosis, nothing but water remains - so the water remains clear.
But if the same water is mineralized, it will also turn brown, although we did not add mud.
This is a publicity stunt. Some company even filed a lawsuit against the zepter for this.

[leya]

leya, and think a little further, these minerals and trace elements are in the water in an inorganic form, are not absorbed by the body, an additional load on the liver and kidneys ...
The same, but from vegetables and fruits, from their juices, in organic form, easily digestible, provides a person with everything he needs ...
And a man needs clean water ...

From what I've heard, this experience with electrodes is pure quackery.
In fact, it does not show dirt, but the presence of trace elements in the water.
It's just that after reverse osmosis, nothing but water remains - so the water remains clear.
But if the same water is mineralized, it will also turn brown, although we did not add mud.
This is a publicity stunt. Some company even filed a lawsuit against the Zepter for this.

Would you personally like to have such "mineralization" in your body? https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1545.0

I don't !!!!

And this is done through a reverse osmosis filter, and in just 5 months of operation. Thanks to the filter. I'd rather change cartridges more often than pass such a badge through myself.

Other organic minerals and other natural vitamins can be obtained from fruits and vegetables, milk, cottage cheese and other products - but the water must be clean !!!! Even if it is zero.

My opinion!

Here I am with a reverse osmosis system already!
The pressure in my house is good - the tank filled up in half an hour.
The only thing I ordered for myself was a bioceramic filter, I didn't want to install a mineralizer (thanks to Pakatu, I convinced you!) I'll use it, I'll tell you which water is better - the one that we bought earlier or ours.
The installation company said that the TDS meter is not worth buying, and so we will understand that the filters need to be changed, so I saved 300 UAH.

[NatalyaN]

NatalyaN, congratulations, now the water will be clean ...
And a TDS meter, buy it all the same, the check will not hurt, he protects the cherished Gd ...

Packat, while the toad is strangling, there is no extra money, therefore, as "pleased" that it is possible without him, I calmed down.

Reverse osmosis has been running since October. And now we will put the mineralizer on, see what will happen and how. Although, the young man in the store was somewhat inadequate, to my question "Is it possible to put the mineralizer so that I can choose to take water with and without mineralization?" Asked "Where did you find such nonsense?"

My husband, as always, did not have time, so he bought it by a strong-willed decision, not going into details. Now I will think about how to put a double tap.

The question of the need for a mineralizer arose because of me - the lack of some substances, in particular magnesium, is very clearly manifested. Highly purified water, after all, increases the loss of certain elements in the body.

:) Rina72
Insert a tee in front of the mineralizer. One shoulder - water supply, the second - to tap No. 1, the third shoulder to the mineralizer, and through it to tap No. 2. :

Thanks for the advice. While the mineralizer will stand directly. After 10 days, it will be engaged in a more correct installation (tee and tap).

Ira, I have not a mineralizer, but a structurator, in general, also an additional passage, if I may call it that. there is only one tap, but there are 2 valves in it, one for plain purified water, and the second for structured water. accordingly, one hose goes from the purified water to the tap, and the second hose goes from the structurator (in your case, a mineralizer).

[Rina72]

Rina72, but magnesium, in organic form, can be obtained from food
and juices of various plants, there is also vitamin D, necessary for the absorption of magnesium ...

[Pakat]

Pakat, yes, you can. Only I have an increased need for magnesium, and getting it in the right quantities only from products (especially ours) is unrealistic. To sit on the pill forms, too, somehow do not want to.

if the topic is relevant by filters, I can answer questions

You just registered on the forum today and very energetically noted at once on four topics "Air humidifier", "Drinking water purifiers," "Water filter", "CM-machine", and in old topics already from 2010. You claim that you can answer the questions. There is a question. What are you yourself? Perhaps you are a UN expert on such global issues, a graduate of a medical institute with a degree in "hygiene", just an advanced lover of all kinds of technical innovations for home life, or a seller of climatic equipment? To ask questions, I would like to know who we are asking, an amateur or a pro. Waiting for an answer.

I am a physical chemist by profession, I have been selling and servicing home water filters for three years. our company is a participant of the annual international specialized exhibition "Aqua-Therm Kiev". my family actively uses the above household appliances. the issue of the humidifier became especially acute, since a child appeared in the family again - the quality of water in the humidifier plays a role.and there are a lot of water filters and only because there are no standards on them. in short here ...

please) I understand your reaction, since I started my communication in net also from the forums, and my reaction to newcomers was absolutely identical)) everything is fine
I will be happy to help, there are some developments in informing about filters, a couple of articles on classification and selection, I will answer questions on how to follow, what to do, etc.

And which filter do you recommend? And what do you think about humidifiers?

drinking filters - only osmosis, and I recommend them, my family has been using them for a long time. only after these filters you can drink unboiled water and the water will not leave scale. everything else is post-treatment filters, the water from them is post-treatment.

perhaps the humidifiers were just out of luck. the first time the humidifier is not bad, it worked for six months. most likely he was mistreated. the second is cheap, the percentage of defects is higher, most likely it got here. I will try to give it to SC or ask for a day back - the warranty for electrical appliances is always one year, so I have time.

Well, I would not recommend osmosis so categorically, the selectivity of membranes for nitrates is very low (25-30%) depending on the manufacturer, the efficiency of membranes (household) is 10-15%, 1 liter of pure water 16 liters into the sewer do less cleaning, mineralizers in my opinion In the opinion of a completely useless prick, basically there is marble chips, for example, almost all of the marble in Ukraine has radioactivity.
It is necessary to choose a filter based on water analysis. But at least two things are needed 1. a mechanical filter of 0.1-0.5 microns will retain a lot of rust from the supply pipes, if there is a rush on the pipes, then from sand and clay, I saw worms in the water, 2. The carbon filter removes chlorine, usually their resource large, but from hygienic requirements it is better to change once every six months (in Kiev there are a lot of algae in the water and they multiply very well on coals)

grammatical and punctuation errors in two sentences have not met for a long time. okay, let's try to understand this disgrace and at the same time delve into the root of the above arguments

Well, I would not recommend osmosis so categorically; the selectivity of membranes for nitrates is very low (25-30%)

nitrates usually appear in rural wells and shallow wells. and this means that the source is your own, the water is not from the water supply. in this case, everyone needs to do an analysis of water from their well or well and select a filter individually. if the analysis shows that there are nitrates, salts of hardness, iron - a filter for technical water treatment is selected to purify all the water. this water is already suitable for domestic needs, but not for food. osmosis is put on the prepared water for drinking and cooking

depending on the manufacturer, the efficiency of membranes (household) is 10-15%, 1 liter of pure water 16 liters into the sewage system, you do less cleaning,

yes, this is one of three nuances in the operation of these systems. but 16 liters is a clear exaggeration. for one liter of clean water, 6-8 liters of dirty water usually goes to drain. the second nuance is pressure: in order to push water through the membrane, you need at least 3 atmospheres of tap pressure. if the pressure is lower, the filter is completed with a pump. otherwise, water will not be forced through the membrane, it will go to drain into the sewer. yes, in this case, you can get 16 liters) but not because of the filter, but because of the stupidity of either the seller who did not pay the buyer's attention to the technical requirements, or the buyer who chose to buy the filter at the bazaar, and not in a specialized salon, or just decided to save on the pump

Mineralizers, in my opinion, are completely useless, they are mainly marble chips, for example, almost all the marble of Ukraine has radioactivity.

The operation of the mineralizer can be checked within 10 seconds with a tds-meter, which is designed to check the quality of the membranes. usually the mineralizer adds an average of 15 ppm (mg / L).Well, I can't say anything about Ukrainian mineralizers, because they are simply not produced in Ukraine. and yes, to say that there is marble, you just need to saw it. you will be surprised

It is necessary to choose a filter based on water analysis.

only if you live outside the city and there is no running water in your settlement. or there is a water supply, but there are no bodies of water near your settlement. 25% of Ukrainian cities consume water from wells. in these cases, water analysis is needed. a technical water treatment filter is selected for the analysis, and a drinking filter (osmosis) is already installed in the kitchen

But at least two things are needed 1. a mechanical filter of 0.1-0.5 microns will retain a lot of rust from the supply pipes, if there is a rush on the pipes, then from sand and clay, I saw worms in the water, 2. The carbon filter removes chlorine, usually their resource large, but from hygienic requirements it is better to change once every six months (in Kiev there are a lot of algae in the water and they multiply very well on coals)

this minimum is sufficient for technical post-treatment of tap water. I put such filters in my apartment at the entrance so that the child does not sprinkle with bleach, there is less rust on the plumbing, there is less sediment in the boiler, and so on. after such filters, the water still has a reddish tint (parameter "color"), viruses / bacteria remain (water blooms), salts remain (scale in the teapot, tea with a film). so this is not enough

Well, at the expense of the mineralizer I will not be surprised, and saws repeatedly, but the fact that the electrical conductivity is increasing, you can add any salt. In general, I wanted to say that osmosis is not the only panacea for post-treatment of tap water.

tell osmosis is a stationary purifier? I want this for a long time. But where to watch them and which one to take? I've been using the barrier for 8 years ... I want one to run from the tap ... :) tell me what will it be?

Yes, stationary. The brand is not so important, the working element is the membrane. There are not so many companies that produce (I prefer Dow Chemica) this is a consumable, it changes once a year (many cases when it works and more), see what you can buy later, usually they are supplied with 3 flasks (a mechanical filter and 2 charcoal ones for protection of the membrane if the water is not chlorinated, then 1 carbon can be dispensed with). Usually in purchases it cost about $ 150, plus a markup (this is for a guide). There is no point in buying too expensive (such as a Zepter), practically you can assemble it yourself from individual components, if you would like to. Mineralizer, I don't see the point in it, if the inlet pressure is less than 2.5 atm, then a pump is needed. All

This is how it looks
This is memrana

tell osmosis is a stationary purifier? I want this for a long time. But where to watch them and which one to take? I've been using the barrier for 8 years ... I want one to run from the tap ... :) tell me what will it be?

choose European production with a membrane guarantee

Well, at the expense of the mineralizer, I will not be surprised, and saws repeatedly, and the fact that the electrical conductivity is growing, you can add any salt. In general, I wanted to say that osmosis is not the only panacea for post-treatment of tap water.

add salt? Well, how much salt did you see in the sawn mineralizers?
then you no longer need to buy cheap mineralizers))

Yes, stationary. The brand is not so important, the working element is the membrane. There are not so many companies that produce (I prefer Dow Chemica) this is a consumable, it changes once a year (many cases when it works and more), see what you can buy later, usually they are supplied with 3 flasks (a mechanical filter and 2 charcoal ones for protect the membrane if the water is not chlorinated, then you can do with 1 carbon). Usually in purchases it cost about $ 150, plus a markup (this is for a guide). There is no point in buying too expensive (such as a Zepter), practically you can assemble it yourself from individual components, if you would like to. Mineralizer, I see no point in it, if the inlet pressure is less than 2.5 atm, then a pump is needed. All

good membranes are guaranteed, and they can work for five years.

do not take a filter for less than $ 275-300. in the purchase, let them cost as much as necessary, this will not play a role. it is important to choose a filter in the spec. store, as you may have questions about service, replacement of replacement, etc. do not buy at the bazaar or in large hardware stores, they will not give proper advice there

choose European production with a membrane guarantee

good membranes are guaranteed, and they can work for five years.

The guarantee is given for industrial membranes and for household membranes somewhere like this

No, it's torn out of PDF, but in English you can find it on the Filmtec website

not surprising. for custom-made membranes there is a guarantee. and the filmtek plant has reinsured itself against individual buyers

Hello, I'll put in my five cents) I used to have Aquaphor cut into the sink for three filters, I really liked it, but now I moved to live with my husband, there is no such possibility there. Of all the desktop filters, I am 100% sure of only one "Hercules Shoigu", because I tested it in extreme conditions, my friend and I went to India as savages, and there, in three months we had to drink water from both rivers and ponds. and from the tap, wash fruits and vegetables, wash, sometimes it turned out that there was simply no way to find clear water, there was nothing to boil on, and I had to take risks, drink water from cow drinkers or from rivers with green water))) and never NEVER!!! neither me nor my friend had even a slight abdominal distortion))) and so I checked it, poured strong coffee with sugar into it, and at the exit I received clean water without the slightest hint of sugar, I was surprised myself ... but I the same Russian person, I poured watermelon juice into it and at the exit again received clean water ... so now I trust this filter)))

And I put Aquafjor-bio in my apartment, they told me that it was enough for 3 filters ... At first my daughter cursed, since it cost almost 4 thousand, but then after trying the water she saw that the water from the filter is not something from crane

eva49, if you are me, then I was probably lucky that I came across the necessary information in time, although, if I think about it, I was purposefully looking for the best filter before my trip to India and took care of buying it.

There are much better and Petrik filters, look in Google

I just don't know which one is better? What other filter can you pour coffee into and get clean water at the outlet? without even a hint of smell? I know about this filter because I checked it myself, I don't know about the others ...

I have been choosing a reverse osmosis filter for a very long time. I read the forum where this topic is actively discussed, listened to the pros and set myself Atoll. Moscow has the best filter, IMHO. Additionally, I installed a pressure reducer with a pressure gauge for the apartment. I took the filter with a pump, since the pressure was low. I bought separately a mineralizer from another manufacturer and a tap for two inputs. There are very few good mineralizers, mostly dummies are sold. I put the mineralizer not in order to get minerals (they must be obtained from food), but to increase the acidity of the water, which plays an important role for the human body. Now my water flows with minerals - for drinking and without - for cooking. I am very satisfied. We used to buy 5 liter bottles. Water quality is certainly not comparable to reverse osmosis.