Drinking water purifiers

The water should be zero, without any impurities. Uncle Sam rightly said, vitamins need to be replenished with quality nutrition, there are more benefits.

That is, treatment with waters (in resorts) is complete nonsense, is it better to "eat well"?

A classmate bought a sophisticated filter from me for 600 euros. And something began to seem to her that the water was foaming too much. She invited another of our classmates - an ecologist. He made measurements and it turned out that after this filter, alkali is obtained.

What is it like? I can't imagine the filtration process to get NaOH from H2O. Unless she installed an electrolysis unit, where, with the help of table salt, either a cation exchanger is obtained - an alkaline solution for washing, or an acid anolyte for disinfection. But nobody suggests drinking this!

That is, treatment with waters (in resorts) is complete nonsense, is it better to "eat well"?

Well, they have been treating with mineral waters for hundreds of years and somehow it went well. Another thing is that this is precisely the treatment for a short course and certain waters of certain diseases. For example, with gastritis with insufficient acidity, the water goes cold with gas, and the same warm and without gas with excess. It's not that simple there.

That is, treatment with waters (in resorts) is complete nonsense, is it better to "eat well"?

Drinking water internally and water for external use are two different things.
At the resorts, medicinal water, no one has canceled it, and it is used in doses, and not in buckets all day, and for each disease there is its own water. Between doses of medicinal water, they still drink plain water.
Therefore, it is also therapeutic, which is taken by the course of treatment. And vitamins are best taken with food or vegetables and fruits, depending on what vitamins are needed.
Uncle Sam will tell you that better.

And where does the vitamins, they are not in the water and were not. The question is about mineral salts. More precisely, in calcium, it will not be in water purified by osmosis.

But there is a lot of it in cheese, milk and cottage cheese and other available products.

Guys, I don’t mind you drinking tap water, except for vitamins, there is still enough rust, bleach (this is poison) and other various byak. Go back to the page above and look at the photo of what is in the tap water.
I have no more comments.

I'm not talking about drinking something from the tap. It's just that water hygiene professionals advise using not reverse osmosis purification, but good filtering materials, better based on ceramics, which remove muck, but do not change the salt residue of water.

[filtered]

Guys, I don’t mind you drinking tap water ... I have no more comments.

Well, why twist it like that: my message was about filtered and mineral waters, but not tap water.

[Olga @]

Olga @, with this phrase I did not answer you personally, but about the constant discussion on this matter, everyone is free to drink what he wants and think about this what he considers necessary. No more.

It's just that water hygiene professionals advise using not reverse osmosis purification, but good filtering materials, better based on ceramics, which remove muck, but do not change the salt residue of water.

I don't argue with your professionals, but what kind of water do they appeal to? Why do they advise everyone the same thing?

There are two rivers in Russia: the big Amur and the little Usa.
Amur collects wastewater from all over northern China and southeast Russia.
Usa - flows from the Polar Urals, and the city of Vorkuta is the first settlement on its way.
Both the one and the other water are treated in the same way.
And then, it is passed through ceramic filters at home. Fine mechanical impurities are removed from it. And all chemical components remain unchanged. Salts, microelements, macronutrients, .... phenols, chlorine derivatives (thanks to wastewater treatment plants), benzenes, DDT ...
And in which water was more chemistry DISSOLVED? That's it and it ...

So find out the diagnosis of your tap water disease and find the right filter for your individual treatment.

I don't argue with your professionals, but what kind of water do they appeal to? Why do they advise everyone the same thing?

There are two rivers in Russia: the big Amur and the little Usa.
Amur collects wastewater from all over northern China and southeast Russia.
Usa - flows from the Polar Urals, and the city of Vorkuta is the first settlement on its way.
Both the one and the other water are treated in the same way.
And then, it is passed through ceramic filters at home. Fine mechanical impurities are removed from it. And all chemical components remain unchanged. Salts, microelements, macronutrients, .... phenols, chlorine derivatives (thanks to wastewater treatment plants), benzenes, DDT ...
And in which water was more chemistry DISSOLVED? That's it and it ...

So find out the diagnosis of your tap water disease and find the right filter for your individual treatment.

You do not really imagine modern cartridge ceramic filters, they have a layer of activated carbon that adsorbs chemical impurities, all kinds of heavy metal salts, chlorine, etc., there may be a layer that reduces water hardness. A classic example of such filters "Dolphin", there is a battery of 3 filters, including activated carbon. Their difference from reverse osmosis is that they do not make an analogue of distilled water. But as a disadvantage, they cost about 400 Euros. Unlike reverse osmosis, they are enough for 3000 liters of water, if your plumbers start drinking hot water through a cold pipe, it can be thrown out.

I don't argue with your professionals, but what kind of water do they appeal to? Why do they advise everyone the same thing?

There are two rivers in Russia: the big Amur and the little Usa.
Amur collects wastewater from all over northern China and southeast Russia.
Usa - flows from the Polar Urals, and the city of Vorkuta is the first settlement on its way.
Both the one and the other water are treated in the same way.
And then, it is passed through ceramic filters at home. Fine mechanical impurities are removed from it. And all chemical components remain unchanged. Salts, microelements, macronutrients, .... phenols, chlorine derivatives (thanks to wastewater treatment plants), benzenes, DDT ...
And in which water was more chemistry DISSOLVED? That's it and it ...

So find out the diagnosis of your tap water disease and find the right filter for your individual treatment.

You do not really imagine modern cartridge ceramic filters, they have a layer of activated carbon that adsorbs chemical impurities, all kinds of heavy metal salts, chlorine, etc., there may be a layer that reduces water hardness. A classic example of such filters "Dolphin", there is a battery of 3 filters, including activated carbon. Their difference from reverse osmosis is that they do not make an analogue of distilled water. But as a disadvantage, they cost about 400 Euros. Unlike reverse osmosis, they are enough for 3000 liters of water, if your plumbers start drinking hot water through a cold pipe, it can be thrown out.
And about the same treatment at treatment plants, in general, the process there depends on the input water. At the output, we get what drinking water corresponds to GOST. Another thing is that the state of the main pipes is such that on the way the water gets a lot, starting with the atoms of iron and its oxides.

I will probably upset you, but I can imagine the device of modern household water filters (once I studied their various modifications closely). Recently I took courses for GO teachers.

So, point by point (without being distracted by pearls like: "all sorts of heavy metal salts"):

What is the fundamental difference between an osmo filter and a ceramic one?
During operation, the pores of the ceramic become clogged with filtrate and cease to function. Osmo filters have a drainage system that discharges the "kaku" not passed through itself into the sewer. Of course, sooner or later, the osmo filter membrane will clog completely.
Only this will happen in decades. If you change the pre-filter in time (KTP in some reverse osmosis filters is made on the basis of ceramics).

A layer of activated carbon is power!
The amount of coal in the gas mask box should be enough to guarantee air filtration for 2 hours, if you're lucky, even longer. Of course, filtering the air from chemical warfare agents is not at all the same as filtering water from micro-admixtures of household chemicals. But sooner or later the coal cartridge will cease to cope with its task. And you can only catch this by regularly handing over water to the laboratory.
Unfortunately, coal does not protect it from all contaminants. The same heavy metals in the ionized state will get stuck in it, but not all in the form of salts. The same story with chlorine. The Cl2 molecule will remain in the mass of activated carbon, and complex salts with the participation of chlorine will pass through.

Anyone who has tried water after a reverse osmosis filter will say that distilled water did not stand nearby.

For 400 euros you can buy an excellent osmo filter.

No plumbing needed. It is enough that the neighbor on the riser in the kitchen does not change the gasket in the herringbone kitchen mixer in time. And hot water, WITH ADDED DESCALING MEDIA, went into the pipe with cold. And what kind of filter preserving natural salts, will protect you from salt nasty things from the nearest thermal power station?

And GOST for water ...
I talked with two workers of the heat pipelines. The chief engineer of Vorkutinsky always drank cold water from the tap.
And the Syktyvkar engineer, to my question "why even cold tap water flows yellow with the smell of hydrogen sulfide and the taste of gasoline", answered: "GOST allows a slight deviation in color, taste and smell."

I am not a seller of filters of a particular brand. I have a pitcher aquaphor at home.
But osmotic filters provide a freedom comparable to the freedom of owning a bread maker.
You take pure products (flour, yeast, etc. in one case, and pure water after the osmo filter, in the other) and add only WHAT YOU WANT TO THEM.
It's fine!

And I do not purify the water, for many years, I only check it for cleanliness with an electronic device.
I drank, I drink and I will drink only distilled water, everything is prepared on it ... I buy water, this industry is very developed here. Just do not tell me that it is dead, not useful, there are no minerals, etc., I myself know many counterarguments against this.
I do not impose my opinion on anyone, I do not urge to follow, this is my way of life. It's just, at the moment, the purest water on earth.

I want to leave my opinion on zero water without impurities. I live in Khabarovsk, we drink water from the Amur River, Uncle Sam has already said that the river collects all the effluents from China. About two years ago, you probably remember that some chemical plant exploded in China and all the drains fell into the river. They built a dam, turned off the water, there was a real environmental disaster, it was impossible to even wash with tap water, so the Emergencies Ministry simply turned it off. Everything. Hot and cold. Since then, we began to buy water, because there was no way out, and before that we filtered it for many years with an ordinary carbon filter, only we changed it often. So, we drank this purchased zero water, which even animals don’t drink (a friend’s cat and another friend’s dog, they come up, sniff, and refuse to drink it for any thirst) for a couple of years. At first I did not notice that my body began to signal a sharp lack of minerals.Before, I always had my own excellent manicure, my nails grew very long and strong. And a year ago, I realized that my nails were just a disaster, this winter it got to the point that the nails just ached and exfoliated, without having time to grow back, I could not wash the dishes, in ordinary water the nails just ached from water, they became so thin. I had to drink an enhanced course of calcium. With all this, for the last couple of years I have been paying special attention to nutrition, milk, cottage cheese, I eat so much cheese that I can no longer look at them. It turns out that my body cannot take as much calcium from food as it needs, although I eat tons of such foods. And before, when I drank filtered water from the tap, there were no such problems. Moreover, I am absolutely sure that the point is in the water, since I have been comparing for a long time and trying to understand how my nutritional principle began to differ.
Now I switched again to tap water, of course with a filter, though only a coal one. Let's see what changes.

[Zubastik]

Zubastik, it is necessary to drink freshly squeezed juices of vegetables and fruits, it is in them that easily digestible vitamins and minerals. It is to drink and not eat vegetables and fruits, different mechanisms and time of absorption into the blood.

[Pakat]

Eh, Pakat, I drink! Every day I visit the bar with fresh juices, they do everything in front of your eyes. Only here fruits and vegetables are ALL CHINESE! It's just some kind of ambush, you drink and think - you poison yourself or you are treated. I think they are of little use. And recently, I discovered that all supposedly American and New Zealand apples, Spanish strawberries and much more are grown by the same Chinese, only they write something else on the labels.
In the markets of the grandmothers, too, she got burned last year - they buy and sell at the same Chinese bases three times more under the guise of their summer cottage.
AMBUSH!!!

We have the same problem, most vegetables and fruits are grown by an accelerated method using chemistry ...
We try, whenever possible, to buy organic, during the season we go to collect them ourselves on the farms where they are grown.
Those that are brought from distant countries seem to be less chemistry, although who knows. Environmental problems are now global ...
I read somewhere that in vegetables and fruits, chemicals accumulate in tissues, when squeezed, most of them remain in waste without turning into juice ...

You will not upset me at all, especially since I myself have a reverse osmosis filter. I just present the opinion of people who are considered experts on this issue.

[Pakat]

We try, whenever possible, to buy organic, during the season we go to collect them on the farms where they are grown.

Eh, Pakathow I wish I could live in a country where you can buy organic food! I really dream of moving to Germany because of this. I regularly buy organic cosmetics from different countries, mainly from Germany, syrups, vitamins. The quality and the result is amazing! After testing cosmetics, I have an idea to fix there is only organic, where to get only.

[Pakat]

Eh, Pakathow I wish I could live in a country where you can buy organic food! I really dream of moving to Germany because of this. I regularly buy organic cosmetics from different countries, mainly from Germany, syrups, vitamins. The quality and the result is amazing! After testing cosmetics, I have an idea to fix there is only organic, where to get only.

I don’t understand something, but do I eat inorganic sausage ???

I regularly buy organic cosmetics from different countries, mainly from Germany, syrups, vitamins. The quality and the result is amazing!

Where do you buy and what is the name? and the result is amazing compared to what? otherwise, maybe we urgently need to join your ranks

I don’t understand something, but do I eat inorganic sausage ???

Organics is an entire branch of products and cosmetics that is gaining momentum. Roughly speaking, organic matter means environmentally friendly products grown without chemicals in controlled environmentally friendly fields and in places where some plants naturally grow, again, the place should be environmentally friendly.Now, if your sausage was made from a cow that grazed on an ecologically clean meadow, never fed anything chemical, there were no plants nearby that emit chemicals into the environment, no preservatives, flavor and color improvers would be added to sausage production, chemicals that retain moisture in the sausage, and indeed it at least consisted of 100% meat, then your sausage would be environmentally friendly. With all this, the sausage would have a very short shelf life, like homemade, for example.
There are appropriate control bodies, certificates that are assigned to organic products. Certificates are different, they generally allow the content of a minimum amount of chemistry (for cosmetics, 3-5%, no more). Some certificates are stricter, others less stringent, each one needs to be studied. Unfortunately, this is not yet available to us, in Moscow there are already stores selling organic products, and all developed countries have long lived by the principle of choice. Everyone is free to choose what to eat - organic or not.

Give me Babor cosmetics made in Germany, I know that it is sold there in pharmacies, it is not cheap, but I did not like it, it is better domestic with herbs than imported. But this is purely my opinion.

[Zubastik]

Zubastik, can you share the names (brands) of organic cosmetics that you use? We will be very grateful to you.

[Rezlina]

Where do you buy and what is the name? and the result is amazing compared to what? otherwise, maybe we urgently need to join your ranks

Rezlina, I can write about this endlessly, probably better in a personal, otherwise the topic is so clogged.
I buy through online stores from different countries, the effect is simply amazing compared to everything! Dr. Haushka's cosmetics are very suitable for me, all the friends whom I forced to use it, the result is not just like / disliked, but a completely different skin - this is noted by others.
I have never been able to use ordinary cosmetics, apparently I am allergic to preservatives. Any cream caused an allergic reaction after 2-3 days of use. And with organic matter, I felt like a different person.

Give me Babor cosmetics made in Germany, I know that it is sold there in pharmacies, it is not cheap, but I did not like it, it is better domestic with herbs than imported. But this is purely my opinion.

babor is professional salon cosmetics, nothing to do with organic matter. This is just cosmetics containing a fairly large amount of natural ingredients, and then according to the manufacturer's statement, which is not confirmed by the appropriate certificate, at least I did not find information about the certificates.
Read the compositions, there is a topic on that forum called "Killer Cream", a lot of useful things.

How is this technically possible? It contains a filter system for absorbers and an ion exchange resin. This will not produce alkali.

For many years I have been using a three-stage filter (mechanical, ion-exchange, carbon), the main thing is to change the cartridges on time. I saw the experiments with the Zepter and gave the impression of a gypsy focus.

A classmate bought a heaped filter from me for 600 euros. And something began to seem to her that the water was foaming too much. She invited another of our classmates, an ecologist. He made measurements and it turned out that after this filter, alkali is obtained.

What is it like? I cannot imagine the filtration process to get NaOH from H2O.

How is this technically possible? It contains a filter system for absorbers and an ion exchange resin. This will not produce alkali.

Without knowing what kind of filter, who installed it and how, it is impossible to answer exactly what happened. But I assume that the filter after connection was not washed, as it should be according to the instructions.

The filters contain substances that give an alkaline reaction, they must be washed out of the filter before use.

For a flow-through filter, it is enough just to drain the water from the tap of clean water, about 15-20 minutes.Washing the osmotic filter is more difficult, but in any case, follow the manufacturer's instructions!

It is also necessary to wash the filter after replacing the filter elements with new ones.

Read, understand and follow the manufacturer's instructions! This is useful

We have periodically washed off the soap from our hands, straight, some kind of soapy water. What can this mean?

[2 Rezlina]

2 Rezlina:

If the soap does not wash well, the water is hard.

If it is washed well, but it is poorly washed off, it is not rinsed out - the water is soft.

Not always.
Our water is very, very hard, and soap lathers perfectly.
Apparently in this case it depends on the quality of the soap.

A long time ago, my chemistry teacher said that the appearance of rust is not only a chemical process, but also the work of microorganisms.

And now I found this (I don't remember where):

The appearance of "rusty" water (secondary water pollution) is often associated with the biochemical activity of iron bacteria in water supply networks. The mechanism of secondary water pollution is as follows.

Iron bacteria are typical representatives of the microflora of groundwater, which are carried out from the water supply source into the water supply network, after which they are fixed on the walls of the pipeline.
Considering that the surface of the water pipe is not perfectly smooth, and that the iron bacteria are filamentous, it should be assumed that at the first stage there is a mechanical retention of microorganisms that entered the network from an underground source. Further cell adhesion can occur through other known interactions.
Having anchored to the wall of the pipeline, the iron bacteria multiply, forming a biofilm.
The poor substrate (low concentration of organic matter, biogenic elements and reduced iron compounds) is compensated by the flow conditions. Cells, oxidizing ferrous iron, form iron hydroxide, which is deposited on their surface. In this case, a typical mucous membrane is formed, which prevents the cells from communicating with the external environment.
When the cover becomes dense enough, the cells leave it and begin to form a new one.
Even with an insignificant (less than 0.3 mg / l) amount of iron (primarily bivalent) in the water, the cells of microorganisms actively accumulate it for nutrition and growth.
Thus, on the surface of the pipeline appear areas covered with abundant ocher deposits formed by biogenic means.
Drink filtered water !!!

I'll add it myself.
Iron bacteria feed not only on dissolved iron, but also eat pipes.
I would especially like to sympathize with those whose neighbors on the riser are too lazy to change the gasket on the tap. Buzzing pipes dump wall deposits into apartments.

85% of the pure water received by the body (water, not compote) goes to the formation of fluid for washing the brain, the rest to tissues. This is no longer a secret.

Is it about cerebrospinal fluid?

"The authors of many works show that the point of view about the high rate of formation of cerebrospinal fluid (500-600 cm per day) is wrong."

but we have a cepter for 2.5 years ... at first I thought it was expensive, and I wouldn't need it ... but now I'm not overjoyed ... there is no scale in any device (kettle, double boiler, all pots), and nice to drink ... not like tap water that smells

And we are winding the bactericidal Aquaphor on the tap for now. When we make a new kitchen, I'll think about a stationary filter.

Aquaphor trio - Stationary with a separate tap on the sink, filtration rate - 2 l / min. I used to use jugs, a jug is a good budget option.

I have reverse osmosis. Already 5 years probably, but the last two years have not been used. Constantly tearing flasks, the kitchen is all drenched, the floors are swollen. The taste of purified water is disgusting - pure distillation. At the moment we are using Britta. But the kratrids disappeared. Now I am looking for an alternative.

We've been using Aquaphor for about six years, probably. Happy

I defended water on shungite for half a year or a year.First, we tested the effectiveness on vodka - the result was wonderful. The vodka became clearly refined, and in the morning the head was light-light. Well, she began to insist on water. I poured a layer into a three-liter jug ​​... about 7-8 cm. I mean, I didn't save.
And a week or two at Aromarti, one forum member wrote that there were complaints about shungite somewhere, that his gums ached from it. And for six months or a year I started having problems with my gums ...
I dug the Internet, but everywhere only the praises of shungite ...
In short, I no longer insist on water on shungite ... I sin that it adsorbs something necessary from the water, what microelements.
But I still insist on vodka.

a pitcher is a good budget option.

+1
we have a Barrier, while it suits, the stationary still cannot be changed, there are always more important purchases, and even with our favorite forum, where so many interesting things will probably be the filter faucet lonely hanging around the sink idle

And our ANNA jug was first German, now the cartridges are made in Poland. Bought about 3 years ago. The parents also have ANNA - they were brought by relatives from Germany about 4 years ago.
Cleans well, there is no scale, but it needs to be changed once a month.
The barrier and Brita are 1.2-1.5 times more expensive.

the most economical - three-stage filters, the only inconvenience is that they have to be embedded in the system, but the cleaning is good, the resource is large and elegant faucet for water, I have been using it for a long time, very satisfied

The parents have steam - running Aquaphor on the tap, and then in the jug Barrier with water softening. The water is so bad that there is still scale in the kettle. Unfortunately, there is no way to put a purification system on pipes.
For now, just a jug is enough for us. TTT ....

PS It seems it's time to do a filter poll)))

Our water is very tasty (all visitors say so), clean, but very hard. This is very noticeable in teapots and irons. We first used "Britta", then smoothly switched to "Barrier" for hard water, I think there is still a difference, I like the water that passed through the "Barrier" more, and it is cheaper. Each manufacturer makes filters primarily for its market and region, and the water is different in composition everywhere.

Nobody tried the Geyser-Prestige reverse osmosis system?
The price for it is 6800 rubles and the connection is free ... So I don’t know what to do - whether to look for Attol American, but it is 2000 more expensive + installation, or use this offer ...

Nadeyka
take our system. I got tired, not with attol, but with an imported purification filter system. Either they stop supplying cartridges to our market, then dealers change, then the locations of dealers change, and at least you can contact ours and, if something happens, ask to send the same cartridges. Now I have a filter for 12,000 rubles hanging in space. There is a filter, but there is no cartridge, and there are already 3 of them, plus a special faucet with silver plating inside, also additional cleaning. You can, of course, not change it yet, but I would change it, the insulating rubber band was slightly taken out until it flows, but ... So now I'm rushing about looking

There are domestic spare parts on the Atoll - they are suitable for American filters ...
After the message, time passed, and I talked with local locksmiths - they say the filters are leaking ... after a year of use, they are all removed due to constant leaks ..
Now I don't know at all how to purify water

I have also been using the Barrier for several years now. I bought it ... I don't remember which one with shungite ..... well, I just didn't like the taste of water ..... I defended and its long for the plaque to disappear, so what ??? The smell of water is somehow not the same, it doesn't seem to stink, but there is no that cleanliness either ... I had a teapot all the time, I waved a lemon to clean it, so I threw it out, although everyone praises it ...

I have been using the Leader RO-5 reverse osmosis system for a long time. I forgot about the scale. Additionally, they supplied me with a mineralizer and a structurizer. I bought a silicone grease for scuba gear at a tourist store - I lubricate the O-rings on the flasks - otherwise they stick tightly. - We pour water into OURSELVES.