Bread does not work in Panasonic

The first pancake came out lumpy - it turned out great bread!
The recipe for "ordinary white bread" from the book (which is together with the oven). The size is average. The ingredients are listed and fairly accurate. With a delay of 8 hours.


The second bread is the "regular white raisin bread" recipe. I also tried to observe everything. The size is small. Instead of raisins, I put sunflower seeds and pumpkins. No delay. The bread is very dense. Even the stirrer is stuck. Well, because of the density, it is a little not "ice".


The third pancake - came out lumpy. Recipe "French bread". Instead of milk powder and water, added milk 3.2 by weight of water. Instead of butter - olive oil. No delay. The bread is VERY dense. 2 photo shows a white border at the crust. No airiness.


The flour is the same everywhere. Yeast too. The weight was respected. What did you do wrong?

I foresee questions - immediately answers:
Yeast one and the same (even one bag for all) SAF red. Falcon flour. Water from the filter, milk butter 3.2%. The second bread can be overdone with butter (not much).

Lots of flour. Measured with glasses?

Elena Bo, I wrote in the subject of "noise" that ours are different in your "Panasonic". Including instructions and recipes. Probably, as usual, technique and technique differ. We need to adapt ..

The third pancake - came out lumpy. Recipe "French bread". Instead of milk powder and water, added milk 3.2 by weight of water. Instead of butter - olive oil. No delay. The bread is VERY dense.
The flour is the same everywhere. Yeast too. The weight was respected. What did you do wrong?

Something is still wrong. In Panasonic, French, in principle, cannot work that way. This is the most airy bread. Somewhere in something you made a mistake. Check again, point by point. Better yet, go the same way and bake according to the same recipe and measure the ingredients very carefully. Most likely the error will be found.

Lots of flour. Measured with glasses?

They measured a measuring container (such as a jug) in it a cloud of divisions - separately for flour, sugar, cereals, etc. However, it does not say ml or gr, but just numbers 100/200/300, etc.

They measured a measuring container (such as a jug) in it a cloud of divisions - separately for flour, sugar, cereals, etc. However, it does not say ml or gr, but just numbers 100/200/300, etc.

Here, perhaps, lies the key. Buy electronic scales (it's inexpensive) and forget about problems forever. Good luck!

They measured a measuring container (such as a jug) in it a cloud of divisions - separately for flour, sugar, cereals, etc. However, it does not say ml or gr, but just numbers 100/200/300, etc.

In extreme cases, a glass from a bread machine. 1 glass to the top of non-porous flour = about 200 gr. 250ml = 160 g And you need to buy the scales, not necessarily electronic, but with a division of at least 20 g. Watch the kolobok during kneading - you will immediately see your mistake. The stove can be opened during mixing.

They measured a measuring container (such as a jug) in it a cloud of divisions - separately for flour, sugar, cereals, etc. However, it does not say ml or gr, but just numbers 100/200/300, etc.

It was because of such a "measuring" glass from a hardware store that my very first bread died! I measured the flour, I needed 500 gr. She poured 200 and 300. When it became clear that it was not right late. And when I bought the scales, the first thing I did was measure 200 grams. flour and weighed, it turned out to be 296 !!! Now I don’t part with the scales!

Transferred topic ..
For Elena Bo

Yes indeed. We don't have your Panasonic models. And you have ours .. And on top of the lid is a dispenser just for yeast. That is, they fall asleep at the last moment automatically. But there is no dispenser for raisins ..
SD model - YD250.For French bread 5 hours aging. Kneading pizza dough for 40 minutes. In short, you need to adapt.

Yes indeed. We don't have your Panasonic models. And you have ours .. And on top of the lid is a dispenser just for yeast. That is, they fall asleep at the last moment automatically. But there is no dispenser for raisins ..
SD model - YD250. For French bread 5 hours aging. Kneading pizza dough for 40 minutes. In short, you need to adapt.

Yes, I looked at this model on the Internet 🔗 We really do not have such, but it is somewhat reminiscent of the 207 Panasonic, although there is no yeast dispenser in that.
Adapt, there is no way out.

We also have pizza 40 minutes kneading.
But still there should be a table in the instructions for the duration of all programs and how many minutes. temperature equalization, kneading, proofing and baking are in progress. Temperature equalization 2 values ​​- min. and max. Minimum - if cool, maximum - if warm and with repeated use of the bread maker (for 1 day). In general, of course, adapt. Good luck in baking.

Good day.
I bought this stove the other day. I tried to bake bread twice and both times without result - 1/3 of the flour remains at the bottom along with the yeast. Inside there is plasticine-type bread, naturally there is no rise. I took the recipes from the instructions for the oven. 1st French, 2nd regular white. In the first case, flour "Makfa", yeast SAF-moment. In the second case, flour "Wheat baking S. Pudov", yeast - "Pakmaya" (made in Turkey). The resulting result matches the picture. I am very interested in the following: how can a stove malfunction be eliminated in order to take it back to the store in time. If the stove has nothing to do with, then what advice can there be for solving this problem.

Have you measured water in grams or milliliters?

Measured in milliliters

Before sinning on the serviceability of the stove, visit these topics

FORMATION OF WHEAT COLLECTOR. TIPS FOR BEGINNERS. ROMA
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1502.0

Illustration in photographs of the process of forming a bun and baking bread from Admin (the basics of baking from 28.06.08.)
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=4587.new#new

A lot of water or little flour (which is the same thing). In a glass to HP - ml, it is given for liquids. The flour should be measured in grams, in your glass approx. 200 gr. flour. It is better to buy electronic scales for flour. First, follow the kolobok.

And according to the description and the picture, it seemed to me that, on the contrary, there was too much flour. For the first time, I did not have any confusion - what units of measurement to fall asleep in HP, so it turned out immediately and great. And I stumbled upon the topic of the kolobok later, when I already knew the appearance of this kolobok in practice. A very good topic - if it doesn't work out - don't be lazy, read it ...

Finally it worked out! The main mistake was that in unsuccessful cases he did not control the state of the kolobok. Used a recipe from https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...mf&Itemid=26&topic=1502.0
When mixing, I had to add about 5 tbsp in excess of the recipe. spoons of flour and a bun turned out. As a result, the bread came out almost perfect both in appearance and in taste. Now you can go further.
Along the way, another question - when using a dispenser, does the situation with the control and correction of the kolobok change?

Finally it worked out! The main mistake was that in unsuccessful cases he did not control the state of the kolobok.
Along the way, another question - when using a dispenser, does the situation with the control and correction of the kolobok change?

Kolobok is a great power!

A dispenser and a bun are different activities in the life of a test. Gingerbread man has not been canceled.
Everything is learned empirically.

Kolobok is a great power!

A dispenser and a bun are different activities in the life of a test. Gingerbread man has not been canceled.
Everything is learned empirically.

I mean, won't the use of the dispenser in any way interfere with working with the kolobok during mixing?

how will it interfere? checked the bun, set up a dispensary and forgot for a few hours))

how will it interfere? checked the bun, set up a dispensary and forgot for a few hours))

That is, the dispenser is placed after the bun is fully formed?

I can't answer this question .. I have HP without a dispensary, but I can logically assume that it shouldn't interfere ...
I looked at the instructions for 255 ... you can completely fall asleep in the dispensary later))

I can't answer this question .. I have HP without a dispensary, but I can logically assume that it shouldn't interfere ...
I looked at the instructions for 255 ... you can completely fall asleep in the dispensary later))

Thank you for the clarification.

If you control the bun, then you can manually fill in what was intended for the dispenser between the first and second batch.
According to the instructions, you need to pour it right away. But if you lift the lid in the dispenser, everything will go to one side, if the seeds are not scary, and if the sausage or cheese, then not everything may be shaken out later. When you finally close it, it's better to fix the contents of the dispenser.

One does not interfere.
The gingerbread man is spinning, and the dispenser is triggered on time according to a given program (if that one was turned on) and at the right time from the start of the stove it is triggered during the second batch in order to mix the additives with the dough before proofing.

Read the instructions, everything is simple.

Tell me please. and how many strokes the 255th does (I just can't keep track of it). It seems to me that mine is crushing almost before baking, and I just can't get high fluffy bread.

: :) And on the contrary, I dream of getting more finely porous bread, but it is always fluffy! There seem to be two strokes, but in my opinion it also depends on the regime. I'm still inexperienced - so I won't keep track of

[irina2101, mish]

irina2101, mish And you exchange recipes with each other.

Tell me please. and how many strokes the 255th does (I just can't keep track of it). It seems to me that mine is crushing almost before baking, and I just can't get high fluffy bread.

Open page 5 of your manual, there is a table List of programs and modes, including Processes by time kneading, raising (proofing), baking

[Climb]

Open page 5 of your manual, there is a table List of programs and modes, including Processes by time kneading, raising (proofing), baking

I, in general, from this and began.
We read page 5 of the instructions:

Program - Main
Leveling temp. 25-60min
Kneading 15-30min
Climb 1h 50min-2h 15min
Baking 50min

But during the ascent, in these two hours, the dough is kneaded (how many times?). Or I am mistaken, and during the rise, the dough only rises.

[Climb]

I, in general, from this and began.
We read page 5 of the instructions:

Program - Main
Leveling temp. 25-60min
Kneading 15-30min
Climb 1h 50min-2h 15min
Baking 50min

But during the ascent, in these two hours, the dough is kneaded (how many times?). Or I am mistaken, and during the rise, the dough only rises.

Leveling temp. we do not take into account.
kneading for 15-30 minutes, at this time the dough is kneaded, it can be kneaded for 10 minutes, rest for 5 minutes and again do the final kneading - during this time you need to make a bun.
1st rise (proofing) 1.50
there should be further quick kneading of the test for 20-30 seconds
2nd rise (proofing) 2.15
baking 50 minutes
total 4 hours.

For the first time, keep track of the entire time of the program with the clock and write down everything for yourself what happens and when - when it is silent, when it works, what it does, how the pace changes, how the stove heats up, etc. Useful and informative.

For example, I even deliberately pace. I measured it inside the bucket so that I knew exactly all the features of my stove and its behavior.

Admin.thanks for your reply. But it seems to me that the two ascents add up to min 1 hour 50 min, and max 2 hours 15 min, and not
"1st rise (proofing) 1.50
there should be further quick kneading of the test for 20-30 seconds
2nd rise (proofing) 2.15 "
So only the rise takes 3.05
+ 50min baking = 3.55

And I tried to follow with a pen in my hands, and more than once, but according to the law of meanness, something distracts at the most important moment.
But I will bring this matter to the clarification of the truth. I want some good bread

[irina2101]

irina2101, when using the main mode, it happens like this:
temperature equalization - 25 min
Mix 1 - 21 min
Rest - 5 min
Kneading 2 - 6 min
Proofing 1 - 1 h 4 min
Workout - 20 seconds
Proofing 2 - 20 min
Workout seconds 20
Proofing 3 - 50 min
Baking - 50 min

It's in time if the alignment lasts 25 minutes... When the alignment was longer, how everything happened, I did not remember.

I usually have 60 min alignment
On the main program
first workout 1 hour 50 minutes before the end of the program
the second kneading takes place 1 hour 30 minutes before the end of the program, i.e. Proofing before baking starts when the display shows 1 hour 30 minutes.
Baking starts when the display shows 50 min.

So there are still two strokes, and before baking, the dough is suitable for about 40-50 minutes. Tomorrow I'll watch my beauty.

Yesterday I bought a stove, today I’m getting to know it all day ... in the morning I baked a country cupcake, noted for myself that 60 minutes was too much ... it burned a little ... then I decided to put French bread, I saw something tricky with the program, nothing really I didn't mix, I just lost time ... I poured everything out, put the usual one and I don't climb there anymore, I just observe, something is interfering there and the silence ... there is no bad window ... you can't peep what is happening there ... I'm waiting ... what will happen this time and questions arise ...
1. Here is the time-ALIGNMENT OF THE TEMPORARY ... what is it for? What's going on there for an hour?
2. And how to watch a kolobok? What can you open and watch without being afraid of the stove? And then they scared me, ... poured it in, closed it and don't go in, otherwise it won't work ...
3. There is no need to lubricate the bucket ... my mom greases the bucket with oil inside, but I searched the whole book about this and did not find anything ... and on the forum too ...
for now, at least to find out about this, what interested, in 1 day, after all, you will not read everything that has already been written here, I will study it gradually ...

read carefully the topics about Kolobok and Help nothing happens.
read only from the beginning to the end, you will learn a lot of interesting things, including the answers to your questions

[kinski]

kinski, somehow it didn't happen for me when I later put the raisins in the dispenser ... everything remained in it ...

The dispenser does not work with all programs. Where it doesn't work, add it manually.
See instructions.

In general, I put everything in at once and do not mess with the signals ... And my mother told me that if she puts everything in her HP right away, then everything is ground up ...

Thank you for suggesting that you need to read it thoroughly ... I read it, but I think I will return there again ...
As a reward for my today's labors and hassles, even at night, a loaf of bread was baked ... it seems like nothing happened ... it is cooling down ... I hope it tastes good too! I'll try something else tomorrow ...
🔗

LinaA, super! Very beautiful! "Study" was good. Read different topics, a lot of interesting things.

Yeah, handsome !!! I have my Milk as much as 13cm in height and this is on the M-ke, but what about the buit on the CL?

Please tell me very urgently !!

the bun did not work out, stopped the process in the middle, took out, laid in new ingredients.

but now I can not turn on the machine - I press start, the main mode turns on, and the program-weight-mode selection buttons are not pressed.

I let the car stand, turn it off, turn it on again - and again the same picture ((

what to do?? after how long will the program be reset ???

how did you stop the process? it was necessary to press STOP and hold it for a few seconds. After the program cancellation signal, start programming again. If you unplug it, the program is saved for 10 minutes
And why were the new ingredients laid down? it was necessary to add a few tablespoons of flour during the kneading process and that's it.

I needed to add water, but I added it too late, it was already standing, and did not interfere, and I did not risk it, I bake it only the third time, I wanted to try milk, and something didn’t work out

I press stop, nothing is reset (

Please tell me very urgently !!

the bun did not work out, stopped the process in the middle, took out, laid in new ingredients.

but now I can not turn on the machine - I press start, the main mode turns on, and the program-weight-mode selection buttons are not pressed.

I let the car stand, turn it off, turn it on again - and again the same picture ((

what to do?? after how long will the program be reset ???

You are mistaken in the course of action.
First select the mode, the size of the bread, the crust, and only then press "Start".
Someone already had a similar situation on the forum.
Good luck!

thank you very much!
already done !!!

tell me, I kneaded the first unsuccessful dough with my hands, it came up, can I put it in a bread maker just to bake it? will it work? or not worth it?