Help with choosing a bread maker

[finanna]

finanna Bread is less than 400 grams in flour, here is one of the few HP https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=167931.0

Thanks, but I'm not looking for a small stove
There is also a Supra BMS 150 bread machine also for a small weight ...
more Rolsen RBM 530
more Ariete 125
more Maxima MBM-1901
all for the maximum weight of finished products 500 g
and baby bread machine RICCI XBM1008 for 450 gr

My family eats about half a baked black loaf and half a loaf or white bread a day.

The bread is very well stored, for 2 days for sure, without the use of special means (refrigerator and alcohol) in a package, it will not deteriorate for 5 days. You can just bake less often

From my little experience, I concluded that about 900-1000 grams of bread will come out of 500 grams of wheat flour, since there also needs a minimum of 250-300 ml of liquid and a little butter, so that the weight of the finished bread will be much more delicious. 750 g

Topic: The ratio of the weight of finished bread and the amount of flour https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=115935.0

From my little experience, I concluded that about 900-1000 grams of bread will come out of 500 grams of wheat flour, since there also needs a minimum of 250-300 ml of liquid and a little butter, so that the weight of the finished bread will be much more delicious. 750 g

ready-made bread 900-1000 g from 500 g of flour will turn out if you pour a good handful of additives there. Admin linked to great tables. But even without them:
500 g flour + 320 ml (g) water + 20-30 g butter + 6 g salt

in total, we get about 850 g of ingredients. But there is also a loss of mass due to the evaporation of water, which cannot be avoided during heating.

I myself have been living for three years in a situation where there is little bread needed (from the constant eaters in the house, I and two children). And we don't eat too much bread. Before the factory bread, I could eat half a loaf in one sitting. And you get satiated with homemade bread faster and healthier. Therefore, we baked a loaf of 500 g of flour: two years ago, once every three or four days, the last year - every two or three days, now every one and a half to two days. And there was no thought to bake a small loaf. Bread made from good (normal) flour is perfectly preserved.

in total, we get about 850 g of ingredients. But there is also a loss of mass due to the evaporation of water, which cannot be avoided during heating.

That is why it is customary to take the approximate algorithm "flour weight x 150% = APPROXIMATE weight of finished bread"

Good day!

Can you please tell us which brands on the HP market now offer the opportunity to bake baguettes? Previously, only Moulinex was.

My Panasonic-255 has been serving faithfully for 6 years, without a single misfire (mmm), but I still want baguettes. In the oven, this crust does not work.

[Olega_mama]

Olega_mama So there is Moulinex, but it doesn't have baguettes but "baguettes" for one bite

[Olega_mama]

Olega_mama So there is Moulinex, but it doesn't have baguettes but "baguettes" for one bite

But it is convenient to give a child to school :)

This means that nothing efficient has appeared over the years. Well, I will study Moulinex. Although I remember that there were complaints about his crust.

[Olega_mama]

Olega_mama It is very convenient for a child to make buters on such a thing Moulinex SW 2802


easy to chew, easy to hold, don't crumble

Good day!

Can you please tell us which brands on the HP market now offer the opportunity to bake baguettes? Previously, only Moulinex was.

My Panasonic-255 has been serving faithfully for 6 years, without a single misfire (mmm), but I still want baguettes. In the oven, this crust does not work.

See how our bakers are clever, and many of them are in Panasonic
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=173600.0

Hello everyone! I choose a bakery. The girls on the uniform told me to take Dex 707 (I liked the price) and also Binatone 2169 (I liked it very much, 2 buckets, but the price ... a little expensive for me) Can you tell me something please. Where to go and what to look at. Are there other companies that are not expensive with 2 buckets? Although I understand myself, you can buy 2 buckets, and the bread will be useless. not baked, etc.I choose the bread maker, not its shape. and not the number of buckets.

So I have a dilemma - take the middle model Binaton 2169, wait for the updated Brand 3801, saving a significant amount, or still not bother and take the proven and reliable Panasonic 2501 ...

So I have a dilemma - take the middle model Binaton 2169, wait for the updated Brand 3801, saving a significant amount, or still not bother and take the proven and reliable Panasonic 2501 ...

Of course, Panasonic!

Of course, Panasonic!

Lagri, but you, besides Panasonic, also have Mulinex. What did you buy before and can you compare it?

Today I read about Kenwood BM 450 and became directly interested. There is a programmable mode. Confused, however, that it works too loud.

6 years of experience in continuous use of bread makers.
1. High quality bucket cover. If it peels off a month after the start of use, then the cost of a new bucket sometimes reaches 50% of the cost of the bread machine itself.
2. The absence of a window from above - there is no benefit from this window, but there is heat loss, hence the crooked bread and the pale top.
3. Silence during operation - mixing sometimes lasts a long time, being in the kitchen with a grinding machine is not comfortable.
4. Enough programs - kneading, dough and baking. Well, installments sometimes.
And that's all. The rest is show-off, which you will rarely use. From frequent use of the bread maker as a jam or butter cooker, a bucket will quickly flow, like mine.

Hello everyone! I choose a bakery. The girls on the uniform told me to take Dex 707 (I liked the price) and also Binatone 2169 (I liked it very much, 2 buckets, but the price ... a little expensive for me) Can you tell me something please. Where to go and what to look at. Are there other companies that are not expensive with 2 buckets? Although I understand myself, you can buy 2 buckets, and the bread will be useless. not baked, etc. I choose the bread maker, not its shape. and not the number of buckets.

I will express my opinion. I have more than one bread maker, one at home, another at the dacha, I get about six years. Girls don't chase expensive stoves - they are all the same and simple. What you should pay attention to:
1. Weight of bread from 700gr.
2. It is better to take the bucket not wide.
3. The rim should not be straight, but slightly curved.
4. In no case do not take HP with two whisks - it kneads badly - I have one in the pantry - I don't use it.
5. Why the second bucket? : girl_sad: Bread in a bucket cannot be kept for a long time - it is heating up - a maximum of 10 minutes have passed and it must be pulled out - that's the bucket and freely.
I repeat, do not chase the brand. Why pay more ??

Why curved shoulder blade? I have a sloping one in Kenwood, so there is a hole in the bottom of the bread for half a loaf. And Panasonic has a straight shoulder blade - a neat incision and a small hole. The dough is kneaded equally well.

6 years of experience in continuous use of bread makers.
1. High quality bucket cover. If it peels off a month after the start of use, then the cost of a new bucket sometimes reaches 50% of the cost of the bread machine itself.
2. The absence of a window from above - there is no benefit from this window, but there is heat loss, hence the crooked bread and the pale top.
3. Silence during operation - mixing sometimes lasts a long time, being in the kitchen with a grinding machine is not comfortable.
4. Enough programs - kneading, dough and baking. Well, installments sometimes.
And that's all. The rest is show-off, which you will rarely use. From frequent use of the bread maker as a jam or butter cooker, a bucket will quickly flow, like mine.

MariV, what about programmable modes? Do you need them? Is it worth waiting for the updated Brand for this?

[yuryd]

yuryd Not needed, all this pampering

Sasha, druhh!
Yes of course, Plato - B ... D is my friend, but the truth is dearer!

B ... D is my friend, but the truth is dearer!

MariV, then buy Pan 2501 and not bathe? And then something from this choice already makes my head spin

And what about a dispenser?

[yuryd]

yuryd The bread maker can be any, if it's Panasonic (sneakers will fly right now)

Choi something will fly? I have 2 Panasonic - one since 2007, already on auto programs does not bake, burns, but on "baking" it is easy! And the second - I bought it in April, however, the assembly is already worse than in 2007 and before. There is a slight creak when mixing. Well, I had to check in the store. No dispenser. The bucket is good.

And what about a dispenser?

Well, somehow I would not want to be completely without bells and whistles :-) And to be honest, the difference in price is not at all big / nyahai budze / :-)

Well, if you really want to, then of course. I have a dispenser in my first Panasonic - I have used it no more than a dozen times in 6 years.
If you buy - take a good look at the bucket - so that there are no scratches; ask to start - so that there is no squeak; inspect the place where the cover fits to the body - so that there are no gaps. And you will enjoy your bread maker for many years.

Today we have started a promotion on SCARLETT SC-400 for nothing / less than $ 50. e. /. Maybe you should try it first to understand what kind of animal it is - a bread maker, or you shouldn't spoil the first impression. There really are only 500 and 750 lochs. 12 programs, there are many positive reviews. This company came out with an updated model for 16 programs, which is why the price is the same for the old one.

Today we started a promotion for SCARLETT SC-400

Take it if the size of the bread suits you. I have one at my dacha. I use practically one program called "French Bread". You can see the recipes for this HP in my profile.

Task: take a Scarlett of the old model for a cheap price now, or wait and buy Panas over time? In Scarlett, she is confused by the maximum size of 750 grams, but she is impressed by the form - to bake cakes. So I think. And then, if you buy Panas right away, it is not a fact that we will get carried away with the baking process and the money will be thrown out of the budget much larger than for Scarlett ... The latter, besides the size and non-brand, is embarrassing by the absence of a rye bread baking program.

honestly, I have never met (neither in real life, nor in virtual) a person who would deliberately approach the choice of a bread machine and then she would be idle. More often than not, the stove becomes a burden for "situational" baker owners, to whom the stove accidentally fell (an uncoordinated gift or a spontaneous purchase thanks to advertising) and who did not get to our forum. In all cases, when people carefully consider the issue of purchasing a bread machine and study this issue, there is no loss of interest in baking.

Moreover, I have a friend who once bought a stove like this (apparently by accident) and this stove stood for a year or two somewhere in a closet or on a mezzanine. We chatted several times, I told about the forum, about the "kolobok". And the acquaintance remembered her little orphan, got her out (there were still adventures with the "lost" stirrer) and now she is baking bread with might and main ...

honestly, I have never met (neither in real life, nor in virtual) a person who would deliberately approach the choice of a bread machine and then she would be idle. More often than not, the stove becomes a burden for "situational" baker owners, to whom the stove accidentally fell (an uncoordinated gift or a spontaneous purchase thanks to advertising) and who did not get to our forum. In all cases, when people carefully consider the issue of purchasing a bread machine and study this issue, there is no loss of interest in baking.

Moreover, I have a friend who once bought a stove like this (apparently by accident) and this stove stood for a year or two somewhere in a closet or on a mezzanine. We chatted several times, I told about the forum, about the "kolobok". And the acquaintance remembered her little orphan, got her out (there were still adventures with the "lost" stirrer) and now she is baking bread with might and main ...

So all the same now and Scarlet or for the New Year, but Panasonic?
PS If Scarlett, then Panasonic after an indefinite time.

So all the same now and Scarlet or for the New Year, but Panasonic?
PS If Scarlett, then Panasonic after an indefinite time.

Well, what can a Panasonic driver say? Only Panasonic!

There are enough owners and cheaper stoves in the Panasonic topic (just those who started with cheaper options). In most cases, they confirm that Panas is better.

By the way, I have two bread machines. One of them is also not quite ordinary (or rather, not cheap) - a hybrid of a multicooker and a bread machine of the very real German company Yunold (in nature there is an analogue of Binaton). So, bread from Yunold turns out worse than from Panasonic. Like this!

Irina, can you say anything about Scarlet 400? Have you had any experience with this oven?

There are HP in terms of functionality better than Panasonic, but when buying them you need to understand that they are much more complicated, more expensive and it is not always possible to bake on the machine.
(I have a second HP DeLonghi EOB 2071) https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0

By the way, I must admit, I was considering buying an inexpensive bread machine. My husband worked in another city, he could come home once a month. My husband stopped resisting the need to purchase a new device after he read the composition as if it were good bread ... Therefore, I was considering the DEX option and I came across a little Rainford. Both are just in the area less than 40-50 cu. e. But the need has disappeared (in that city the work ended earlier), and now (in another city) I just bake two bread and give it with me, just one is enough for a working week. That is, I could buy a cheap stove if necessary, but only against the background of the presence of the "main player" - Panasonic.

[yuryd]

yuryd, you will have to make the choice. And love for Panasonic is everyone's personal business. I don't need him, for example, with all due respect to him.

[yuryd]

yuryd, you will have to make the choice. And love for Panasonic is everyone's personal business. I don't need him, for example, with all due respect to him.

yuryd, totally agree with Omela. I believe that when you buy an expensive stove, you pay for the brand.
Everyone has their own troubles. My first bread maker was bought more than 6 years ago, it cost about $ 35 (the cheapest at that time Delfa) to this day "plows in the country" at least 2 times a week ...

yuryd, totally agree with Omela. I believe that when you buy an expensive stove, you pay for the brand.
Everyone has their own troubles. My first bread maker was bought more than 6 years ago, it cost about $ 35 (the cheapest at that time Delfa) to this day "plows in the country" at least 2 times a week ...

So I was almost determined that we would save up for Panasonic, by the New Year - we would buy it. And then there are two opinions in a row that there is no need to chase the brand. And what about?

Taya0404, what kind of stove do you have now?

So I was already practically determined that we would save money on Panasonic, by the New Year - we would buy it. And then there are two opinions in a row that there is no need to chase the brand. And what about?

There are many bakers out there who are happy with their less expensive ovens. And there are many who buy brand (and not the cheapest) models for themselves, and then end up with breakdowns, leaking buckets, etc. All this is a lottery question. It's just that the odds are different.

For example, in the "inexpensive league" it is easier to get on an unsuccessful stove, but then the loss is small (after a year or two, it is easier to buy a new stove than to repair an old one or buy a spare bucket or mixer for it).

There are like brands, but also with their own troubles. For example, idle controls, running buckets and wedge agitators within a year of operation.

The situation is different with Panasonic. You pay (a tangible amount) not only for the brand, but also to win the lottery with the maximum odds. Yes, there was a streak (and considerable) of bad luck, creaky specimens came across. But it seems like all situations were resolved to the delight of the owners, and no new messages are received. Apparently there was such a party

PS By the way, Panasonic has long ceased to be a leader in terms of price.

I have all the stoves from inexpensive (one might say the cheapest) brands Saturn and Delfa (approximately SATURN ST-EC1775 Leda Bread Maker, DELFA DBM 938 Bread Maker)
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All these stoves work great for me.
Yes, I agree, maybe I was lucky, but I convinced all my friends not to chase the brand and they bought the same ovens, no one complains.
I am unhappy with one - I bought it for two replacement scapula. I baked it several times and everything is unsuccessful - the bread does not interfere well and, accordingly, does not rise well.
And to you, yuryd, I can give advice - if this is your first stove - buy an inexpensive one. If you understand that you really need this thing (HP), buy better, but you yourself will understand what you want from HP. Happy shopping.

When HP works, it's good, but when it breaks, a bucket flows, a scapula is lost. Problems begin. Even if the HP costs $ 40, users will try to repair it, such is human nature .... Most famous brands simply do not have problems with spare parts, except for models that have been discontinued for a long time.

When HP works, it's good, but when it breaks, a bucket flows, a scapula is lost. Problems begin. Even if the HP costs $ 40, users will try to repair it, such is human nature .... Most famous brands simply do not have problems with spare parts, except for models that have been discontinued for a long time.

NO sazalexter I personally WILL NOT repair HP bought for $ 40.
For example, a bucket costs at least $ 30, a spatula $ 10. It makes no sense, I'm not talking about the breakdown of the heating ...
Just DISCARD .... and buy a new one.

eh, well, let's compare ...

For my Panasonic, in five (already!) More than years acquired
= bucket - 1 pc. (my "crooked handles" are solely to blame for dropping a spoon into a working stove),
= stirrer - 1 pc., due to the fact that the coating on the "native" mixer is badly frayed,
= the repair was made 1 time (thanks again to our forum men for the correct diagnosis and recommendations for repair) by my husband for less than 5 USD. e.

In general, if I did not have to buy the second bucket, today I would have costs 170 USD. e. for the stove itself + about 28 cu. That is, for the mixer and condenser, that is, only 40 cu. That is, a year ... and the stove is not going to break (pah-pah-pah).

Perhaps the reliable "brand technology has a drawback!

you know, it probably still depends on luck! I am always afraid to buy unfamiliar or cheap brands, I know for sure, I'm out of luck! and it's easier for me to hammer in a lot of money and buy a well-known brand! true, and there is a drawback! she, this technique, unkillable! straight dream of the occupier! my first Panasonic TV, bought in 1997. Damn, it works like a clock! the picture is clear, the colors are bright! I don’t know where to attach these 25 kg of happiness! and the same song about household kitchen appliances, I already want something new, more advanced, but "I haven't worn out my skates yet" well, even though my mother helps out, she is not interested in new items, she is wearing mine

P. S. by the way, in the subject where the quote comes from, in the previous post, an apostate from inexpensive brands just wrote

[Taya0404]

Taya0404 For most non-names, buckets, if they sell, are at $ 23-25, if they sell of course ...
As a rule, HP, if it breaks down after the warranty, simply flies into the trash can, or lies on the mezzanine / cottage / garage
I don’t know if it’s profitable to buy HP every year, for $ 40-60, or if it’s more profitable to pay $ 140 once, change a bucket for $ 40 every five years, if it breaks down, I didn’t think ...

[Taya0404]

Taya0404 For most non-names, buckets, if they sell, are at $ 23-25, if they sell of course ...
As a rule, HP, if it breaks down after the warranty, simply flies into the trash can, or lies on the mezzanine / cottage / garage
I don’t know if it’s profitable to buy HP every year, for $ 40-60, or if it’s more profitable to pay $ 140 once, change a bucket for $ 40 every five years, if it breaks down, I didn’t think ...

I WILL REPEAT I have THREE cheap bread makers 6 years 4 years and 2 years. EVERYTHING WORKS - I didn't fix them and didn't buy anything for them.
This is my position - I do not like expensive brands (in small ... I repeat in SMALL household appliances)
But I have all Samsung TVs.

Good afternoon, members of the forum!
Help with advice. I want to give my mother a bread maker.The parents moved to the village and there sometimes the problem is with good bread. You need such a model to bake simple bread (not white - mom has diabetes). But there is no way to buy ingredients for rye bread. Actually the question is what - is it possible to bake bread, mixing rye and white flour (or flour of the 2nd grade) on some usual program. I don't understand much about bread makers, I used to bake bread in the oven, but mostly white.

Good afternoon, members of the forum!
Help with advice. I want to give my mother a bread maker. The parents moved to the village and there sometimes the problem is with good bread. You need such a model to bake simple bread (not white - mom has diabetes). But there is no way to buy ingredients for rye bread. Actually the question is what - is it possible to bake bread, mixing rye and white flour (or flour of the 2nd grade) on some usual program. I don't understand much about bread makers, I used to bake bread in the oven, but mostly white.

For parents, it is better not to "bother" they need something simple and understandable. Buy Delfa DBM 938, Orion OBM-204.

[vanillaeyes]

vanillaeyes Write where you are from. Neither Delfa nor Orion sells in Russia, these are purely Ukrainian brands.
It is possible to bake wheat-rye bread on the "basic" program in any KhP.

and what such terrible ingredients for rye bread cannot be bought?

There is rye flour - already nine-tenths of the work. Rye "gray" is great. 1st, 2nd wheat varieties are more difficult to buy. It is possible to buy malt (it is actually not so much needed). A kilogram of malt will last for a very long time.