Help with choosing a bread machine

That's right, by the way, about the difference in price ... Initially, Moulinex costs - 3790, and Panasonic - 8290! But now there are discounts, so Panasonic is giving away for 5990! This is also an important factor) Go to the store or listen to what they have to say. and then heal them in full))))

Before my husband chose, the whole forum was tired of questions, hp 2501 cost 5,400 (from which the price was higher). She "muted" her friend with her moulinex, and so Panas is much quieter, watt "wound" less on the counter, a baguette case from a mule with skill, climbed into Panas. I don't want to offend anyone, but I took the Panasonic 2501 for my beloved.

Thank you, I already read about how you chose :) Congratulations :) I think that if there are discounts for this particular model, it's a sin not to take it) So, most likely, I'll give preference to Panasonic.

Wow, and in this connection, do not know? It's just that today in all stores the prices have changed, yesterday they were old (followed!)

sellers have seasonal discounts. People come from vacations (read with empty pockets), you need to buy new clothes. shoes, textbooks. writing materials for schoolchildren and students. sales are falling, and discounts are trying to lure buyers.

Comparing Panasonic and Mulinex is somehow not serious, read the forum about the joys and sorrows of these.
And the price-quality from Mulinex will not meet expectations, read there.

Good morning everybody
Honestly, I don't even want to read ... As my teacher used to say: "the right decision is made within 3 seconds, everything else is thought or attempts to bring oneself to this decision!"
And initially (according to reviews) "the eye lay" on Panasonic, Moulinex joined the fight only yesterday, after talking with a person who has such a model.

chose Oursson 5005
all. went to the astral plane ...

Not yet completely gone ... do not throw all kinds of shoes at me, but such a review about "Oursson 5005" came across on the internet. Just for information ...

"Experience of use: several months
Detailed estimates

Advantages: 1. Good protection.
2. Nice design and colors.
3. Sufficiently fast pressure build-up.

Disadvantages: 1. Very ill-conceived algorithms of programs, it feels like they were simply confused or simply signed by the buttons. On frying - does not fry, on frying - does not fry, on languor - does not languish. What it is?
2. The smell from the heating element, I have already come across such a thing in the cartoon, but it went away after a week, everything was not limited here for a week and still lasts. Korea? The Chinese slow cooker smells exactly the same three times cheaper.
3. A cover that is inconvenient to use: the "open-close" mechanism is inconvenient to wash (since it is not removable).
4. Very massive.
5. Recipe book - shrimp, mussel and venison cream soups. Yes, people who eat this way clearly do not stand by themselves at the stove (pressure cooker). Moreover, the recipes are not easy to prepare, require skill, and obviously their counter is not in the "multicooker-pressure cooker", the programs are completely incorrectly chosen by the chef.
6. Bowl. What is that kind of money for? Normal, just like in top-class pressure cookers. Compared to the “Koreans”, Orson loses for sure.

Commentary: Changed my simple pressure cooker to this model, thanks to the multicooker forum. Now, thanks to him, I am writing this review here, because when posting all of the above in a topic dedicated to the "pearl", my messages were deleted three times, and then the profile was blocked without the right to return to the site. And on this place the photographs of the compote cooked by Yana have miraculously "grown". Who I have offended remains a mystery to me. So, read more reliable sources.The pressure cooker is lousy, definitely not worth the money, and there are 2 ways out: overpay and buy a "true Korean" or buy a quality "Chinese". I'm leaning towards the second option."

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SOS!!!! Let's make a cartoon theme? !!! a? pazhalsssssssssta !!!!!
my panache is so quiet, it costs, what is it doing in itself, oh, even if the bread does not work out, I will post the photo anyway. THE GUYS ARE SATISFIED TO THE SNOW. PANASONIK 2501 FOREVA !!!!

Why are you shouting, go to the topic, choose a multicooker https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=165760.0

[olvina]

olvina Orson https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=168914.0

as promised ...



hot raw does not happen .... the family said tearing apart the first child





charlotte



and really just to bend ...



risotto

euphoria awesome .....

I walked, walked in circles - as a result, tomorrow they will bring it)
Kenwood 450, everything was decided quite simply - but no one writes about it.
I watched the video on YouTube, and somehow my soul immediately fell down)
And then the "test" - I looked at both Panas and Kenwood in real life)
Hurrah

I walked, walked in circles - as a result, tomorrow they will bring it)
Kenwood 450, everything was decided quite simply - but no one writes about it.
I watched the video on YouTube, and somehow my soul immediately fell down)
And then the "test" - I looked at both Panas and Kenwood in real life)
Hurrah

Congratulations on your choice ... there is a lot to read about Kenwood!

[everything was solved quite simply - but no one writes about it.]

I walked, walked in circles - as a result, tomorrow they will bring it)
Kenwood 450, everything was solved quite simply - but no one writes about it.
I watched the video on YouTube, and somehow my soul immediately fell down)
And then the "test" - I looked at both Panas and Kenwood in real life)
Hurrah

So they only write about running in circles around the table when choosing!

And they looked from the outside, apparently determining?
And there is also a bucket, which is also useful to touch when choosing. There are programs, and sometimes completely different ones. It is rash not to read!
It is also very good to turn on the batch, looking at the stove, which no one does at all, but in vain!
Although choosing from these two, despite certain advantages of Panasonic, because of the need to dance sometimes around him with a Tambourine and the lack of time in our life, I would have stopped at Kenwood 450.

So they only write about running in circles around the table when choosing!

I meant that no one advises to watch the video of the selected models)
and this, it seems to me, helps)

And to feel - yes, I felt it, twisted it in the store, read the topics, 2 weeks without getting out of the forum ...
how they haven't fired yet - I don't know)))) a lot of work time has flown under the bridge, and even more free time

And to feel - yes, I felt it, twisted it in the store, read the topics, 2 weeks without getting out of the forum ...
how they haven't fired yet - I don't know)))) a lot of work time has flown under the bridge, and even more free time

Kenwood 450 used to have a rare glitch - on manual programs, baked goods for less than 10 minutes were not displayed, even if you set the baking time to 0 - this is sometimes required for some sourdough recipes.
It is useful to check how it looks in the new edition of Kenwood 450.

Dear forum users, good day to you !!! So I decided to share my joy with you! Not so long ago I asked what kind of stove to buy, and following the advice, I bought a Panasonic 2501 today! Even when I checked in the store, he immediately fell on my soul !!! White, soft, like velvet !!! Miracle stove !!! Thank you for your help, I would probably have saved myself and bought a cheap stove, and if it hadn't been for the bread, I would have gnawed myself for not defeating the toad. But besides, we have opened a wonderful shop - a discounter technopoint, where you come, buy goods on your computer, print a receipt, pay at the checkout, and they take out your purchase. So in it 2501 cost me only 6 thousand rubles, while in housekeeping the price is 8990, other retail stores are similar. The day before I baked bread in the oven, kneaded myself, I'm tired to hell. and today I went to buy, until they were all taken apart! Yes, I thought for a long time whether to take 2500 (her price is 5090 rubles) or 2501.After agonizing thought, I took 2501 !!!!!! Before that, I had already bought all kinds of flour, I also had fiber, seasonings, etc. The bread that I baked the day before was generally my first bread !!! And today she began to sculpt in the stove. I didn't listen to the advice that the first time you need to make it simple. I added everything: wheat flour, rye, fiber, and raisins. however, under this business yeast put not 1 tsp. and 1.5, because I thought that the dough would be heavy. walked in circles and now it's done !!! shook out easily, the bucket is super comfortable !!! control is super easy !!! The instruction is simple, I read it once and everything is clear !!! in general, I'm happy as a hundred elephants !!! the dispenser works great !!! then, when the bread cooled down, I tried it. super!!! the crust is crispy, baked well inside, however, it did not rise much, but this is understandable, the dough turned out to be quite heavy, but tasty !!! melts in your mouth !!! I'll take pictures tomorrow, otherwise it's already one in the morning. and I do not want to sleep, one continuous delight !!! Thanks again to Rina and sazalexter for the advice, and I wish you all good bread !!!!!!!

Congratulations! I also chose, asking the opinions of members of the forum about their stoves, and also chose the panache 2501. Nothing disappointed! I bake wheat every three days, and every other day rye, everyone likes the additives (sausage-garnished more than anyone else), they ask for charlottes only from HP, in fact they bake incomparably, and how many pizzas and dumplings were prepared using the dough program !!
You have a smart, executive assistant! Long friendship with her!

and where now to write about further?

IN THE TOPIC OF THAT bread machine that you purchased!

Anyutochka, thanks for the message !!!!! I tried to put a model of a bread machine under the avatar, but it didn't work (why ???) I'm not that dumb. I answered all the questions, but not what you have appeared, but just a picture. Understand !!!

I just came in to help me with the recipe. it's also better to ask in the Panasonic topic, right?

[you need to start with basic plain bread]

I just came in to help me with the recipe. it's also better to ask in the Panasonic topic, right?

about the recipe, everyone will answer with one voice: you need to start with basic plain bread, and only then take on delights!

PySy ... you already have a picture too ...
and this is the topic of Panasonic:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=169416.0

I can't bake during the day. I bake at night, during the day I go to my daughter, she cannot have white bread (oncology), so I bake her grain. the roof always falls through (but I baked 3 times). my recipe: 120 rye flour, 200 wheat, i.e. 120 g of whole wheat flour - 3 tbsp. l. fiber (sold at the kashel store) and another 80 g of wheat (i.e. this flour with fiber gives whole grain flour) - 40 g of fiber and 80 g of flour). 260 g water, 1.5 tsp. yeast (always-saf-moment), 1-2 tbsp. l. olive oil, 1 tsp. salt, 1 tbsp. l. Sahara. that's all - the roof is always collapsed. excuse me for writing here - but this topic is already like my own - but I don't know where else to write it, I want to bake the necessary bread for my daughter. and all so dear - rina, anyuta, olwina, sazalexter - sorry for writing in Russian. you know, my daughter is not allowed white wheat bread, but I think I can help her. if you have a chatter, give me a link or where else you can talk about all this - and I will gladly go there. I need your advice on baking. thanks to all!!!

Take a look here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=266.0

[milora]

milora, why didn't you say right away? With questions like this, it's better in the subject
The bread did not work out again, I did everything strictly according to the recipe. What can be wrong?

Nevertheless, it will not work to master the stove "blindly", you need to bake the basic bread several times (at least throw it out to the birds), but to understand how the stove works, what kind of dough should be.

I also found for you - a master class on a bun made of whole grain flour. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=49810.0

[milora]

Take a look here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=266.0

milora, why didn't you say right away? With questions like this, it's better in the subject
The bread did not work out again, I did everything strictly according to the recipe. What can be wrong?

Milora, click on any of the yellow-green links - they will automatically lead you to the desired topic "The bread did not work, what should I do?"

Good day! I choose a bakery, and somehow I can’t decide how, and it’s high time. according to reviews, I realized that Panasonic has not yet been invented, and this idea inclines to buying it.
we have a large family, 4 children, so bread is leaving before our eyes, we need to do a lot at once.
2nd. scared about yeast, I want to bake with sourdough, but after reading the forum I did not find any intelligible recipes for good sourdough bread using hp in automatic mode. do not the producers know that there is sourdough in addition to yeast? those ovens that are programmable are also not very suitable, the proofing time is short, although the sourdough takes 4-6 hours.
3rd. at the same time I think to get a home mill, of course, a little expensive, but if you take it like this you have to go to the fullest. flour there, as I understood, will not be the same as in the store, and the bread, at best, will be gray in color, but not in color and taste.
in general, I am for a healthy diet and for real bread.
From all of the above, I want to ask the experienced and sophisticated in this - what model would you recommend? what to take so as not to regret later? the budget is not big, but if you really need it, you can scrape it up.
thanks in advance for your answers.

Panasonic 2500, or Panasonic 2501, if you like rye. Although our forum users and at Panasonic 2500 bake rye bread very successfully. I wish to get home an assistant sooner and start baking bread. knead the dough into pies, dumplings and noodles.

[Creamy]

Creamy
Thank you for your reply and for your good wishes, is the 2502 not worth your attention? I heard that dioxin is released from heating the plastic, there is metal

Do not get fooled by the "shine of stainless steel", inside the stove, bottom and top, all of plastic. Well, if your whole kitchen is strictly high-tech in a shine of stainless steel, then it may be worth overpaying so that the bread maker does not fall out of a strictly set kitchen theme.

if in addition to metal there is a lot of plastic, then of course it makes no sense. Our thermo pod is made of white plastic, also Panasonic, so the topic of white plastic will not be new in principle.
Can 2501 handle sourdough bread? are there any programs ready for such bread?

also kenwood 450 worth considering? outwardly looks very decent.

You can bake sourdough bread in any bread maker.
And, as a rule, there is only one scheme:
1. Kneading on any program (usually "pizza" or "dumplings"):
2. Proofing with HP off.
3. Baking on the baking program.

The fact is that the leaven is too unpredictable for even a programmable bread maker to be adapted for it (by the way, the Kenwood you mentioned above is programmable and, therefore, more flexible in the selection of programs than Panasonic).
I experimented with various programs of Panasonic (I have 2501), adjusted it to my sourdough (or sourdough for it)), but in the end I use the scheme I wrote above.

Which oven has a heated proofer?

Which oven has a heated proofer?

In all stoves, after kneading, the heating is turned on for proofing

Which oven has a heated proofer?

Many models are available to one degree or another, but only two penny models on the Russian market, Brand 3801 and Bork х800, have adjustable heating, the latter, by the way, has dropped in price by 30%.

and on a Panasonic 2501 can you make a heated proofer separately?

Which oven has a heated proofer?

DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0
Proofing automatic 2 hours

and on a Panasonic 2501 can you make a heated proofer separately?

No, you can't, this HP, like 99% of the rest, automatic

For Zojirushi Breadmaker BB-CEC20 starter culture https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=159825.0

Good day. I am suffering with the choice of the stove. Either PANASONIC SD-ZB2502 BTS or KENWOOD BM450 plus the cheaper Bork X800. For the last two, there is the possibility of programming, since I take the oven to my mother. She wants to cook bread with wheat germ flour and for coarse grinding. I think that the business will not be for the bran. But if you take the automatic mode, many write that there is no equal to Panasonic. Today I watched Bork X800, the seller praised it. Confused that he had only 2 programs for kneading dough, for pasta and for pizza. Can it be configured to prepare another dough? And which oven would you recommend?

[sazalexter]

sazalexter thank you, good stove, but 11 kilo rubles. the toad does not want to give, can someone tell me where you can find this necessary device cheaper?

Good day. I am suffering with the choice of the stove. Either PANASONIC SD-ZB2502 BTS or KENWOOD BM450 plus the cheaper Bork X800. For the last two, there is the possibility of programming, since I take the oven to my mother. She wants to cook bread with wheat germ flour and for coarse grinding. I think that the business will not be for the bran. But if you take the automatic mode, many write that there is no equal to Panasonic. Today I watched Bork X800, the seller praised it. Confused that he had only 2 programs for kneading dough, for pasta and for pizza. Can it be configured to prepare another dough? And which oven would you recommend?

Something the topic of choosing a bread machine has become irrelevant.

She wants to cook bread with wheat germ flour and for coarse grinding. I think that the business will not be for the bran. But if you take the automatic mode, many write that there is no equal to Panasonic.

For mom, it's better to have HP without programming, fell asleep and forgot So that's enough Panasonic. With the types of flour that the HP indicated, it will quite cope.

can someone tell me where you can find this necessary device cheaper?

Brand 3801 is also suitable https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=555.0
It is difficult to find in automatic mode, both leavened and cheap. Here either the oven will help or do everything by leaps and bounds. Many people bake in simple HP, on a semi-automatic machine with a "tambourine and dances"

Brand 3801 is also suitable https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=555.0
It is difficult to find in automatic mode, both leavened and cheap. Here either the oven will help or do everything by leaps and bounds. Many people bake in simple HP, on a semi-automatic machine with a "tambourine and dances"

Brand 3801 is not difficult to find. We have it in Yulmart. The price is not an issue. In Mvideo KENWOOD BM450 and Bork X800 for the same price. Surprisingly, Kenwood can be found much cheaper. Plus the task is to spend bonus points on the card. And for cash, let's say the Bork X800 will cost 8100. And my mother says that the program adjustment mode is more important for her. It seems the choice is obvious. And I still doubt something. Confused by the small number of programs for kneading dough in Bork.

no, this is not good, then Kenwood, but of course a Japanese woman is better

[Confused by the small number of programs for kneading dough in Bork]

Brand 3801 is not difficult to find. We have it in Yulmart. The price is not an issue. In Mvideo KENWOOD BM450 and Bork X800 for the same price. Surprisingly, Kenwood can be found much cheaper. Plus the task is to spend bonus points on the card. And for cash, let's say the Bork X800 will cost 8100. And my mother says that the program adjustment mode is more important for her. It seems that the choice is obvious. And I still doubt something. Confused by the small number of programs for kneading dough in Bork.

You just haven't figured out the capabilities of Bork x800.
Everything is good there, except for the price, but for eight thousand, it will be a very joyful purchase.
Everything there is configured and rebuilt as needed.
9 custom mixes I think will be enough for you in abundance! Plus the current correction of any factory mix!

Well, in short, write if you don't understand!
Let's read together!

no, that won't do, then it's Kenwood, but it's better of course a Japanese woman

And what doesn't work?
In this price range, it's just a fairy tale, not a stove.

for sourdough bread you need an oven, dancing with tambourines is not appropriate, if there is automatic baking, then let it be an automatic machine, that is not a manual mode, you will not get up at night to reconfigure the oven.

for sourdough bread you need an oven, dancing with tambourines is not appropriate, if there is automatic baking, then let it be an automatic machine, that is not a manual mode, you will not get up at night to reconfigure the oven.

What, what?
Please write in more detail.
It seems that you need to read the course of a young fighter on baking different breads, it is here on the site. Read more about the experience of baking the appropriate types of bread.
After that, choosing a bread machine will become a little easier.

what to write, the sourdough dough rises longer, I did it by hand, if you stand for 4 hours, the bread turns out to be very dense, proofing is needed for at least 12 hours