Dishwasher selection (1)

Bosch has been working like a clock for two years for me, I practically forgot what it is to wash dishes.

I don’t know about the PM, but my friend Wasteralka Electrolux was repaired 3 or 4 times in 5 years.
So the Firm seems to be respected, and sometimes it gives out the marriage.
Although there are pluses in it, it interferes with taking water from the water supply, both hot and cold.
Saves on heating.

washing machine and dishwasher - BOSH - never "buggy" and did not let ugh ugh

but it's not that it breaks down. The Bosch dishwasher is simply not convenient, as is my Kaiser.

but it's not that it breaks down. The Bosch dishwasher is simply not convenient, as is my Kaiser.

BooBoo, what information should be pulled out of you with ticks? :) Only leading questions are all ... Here's the next one, why is she so inconvenient? Well, why can't you write everything right away so that people do not wonder what exactly is wrong with Bosch breakdowns or inconvenience, or maybe something else? Well, people still cannot read thoughts at a distance.

washing machine and dishwasher - BOSH - never "buggy" and did not let ugh ugh

And mine. And for me both the Bosch dishwasher and the washing machine work without problems and it is convenient for me to use them, in general they do not cause any complaints. But I like the Bosch iron for 1200 rubles a lot more than Philips for 3500 rubles. Why, you ask, did I buy Philips?

[Mams]

Mams
Thank you!
Admin
I live in Donetsk
I have CM Zanussi, bought 10 years ago, TTT works. But I will put a new one now. She also decided that it would be Bosch. Moreover, I need 45 cm, and these cars are definitely assembled in Germany.
It is impossible to compare equipment bought even 10 years ago and now. Unfortunately, the quality of all of them has deteriorated. By and large, a lottery. There are simply brands that cannot be taken a priori. It's like the proverb: "While the fat one dries, the thin one dies." IMHO

Anastasia, the fact is that I personally did not use Bosch. I just heard the reviews of my friends. All unanimously say that it is inconvenient to place dishes in it and it washes worse. I generally understand what they are talking about. I had 2 times more crockery in my old Kandy than in my new Kaiser, although the Kaiser was positioned as super roomy. It is designed for 14 sets of dishes. If you have any other questions, I will be happy to answer, because I can be said to be an experienced master of dishwashers. I have been dishwashers for 13 years.

But I will put a new one now. She also decided that it would be Bosch. Moreover, I need 45 cm, and these cars are definitely assembled in Germany.
It is impossible to compare equipment purchased even 10 years ago and now. Unfortunately, the quality of all of them has deteriorated.

I have a BOSCH dishwasher built-in 45 cm. German assembly, installed in December 2007, so far I have no complaints about its quality and convenience. Everything is comfortable and clean, it suits me perfectly.

If necessary, I gave the site address above messages.

[Admin]

Admin, and baking trays and large pans fit into it?

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo, and Bosch is comfortable for me, and washes well. I don't know if it is possible to compare Bosch and Kaiser ... And what about convenient and inconvenient. So this is someone like. A friend just says to me: "Why do you need a dishwasher? You don't work ... It's so difficult to put the dishes in, take out, buy powder ..." Funny, honestly

I can't say if there is a more comfortable car than mine. But sometimes, when I visit home appliance stores, no, no, and I climb into the dishwashers on display ... Knowledgeably, so to speak ... Well, I don't like everyone else. The only thing I liked was the small cutlery basket that comes with the small PMMs.Sometimes it interferes in my car, but it is fixable, when it interferes with me - I take it out and that's it.

Boo Boo, does not apply to your girlfriends, but still. Very often, behind the "inconvenience of household appliances" is a banal unwillingness to adapt to it. If it is convenient and good for people to wash dishes even in a tabletop PMM, then you can adapt to any machine.

LenaV07 , Congratulations! May your purchase be successful!

[Admin]

Admin, and baking trays and large pans fit into it?

There are specials. a device for fixing baking sheets in it, pots include large 5-7 liters, removable shelves.

BOSCH model SRV 55TO3 EU \ 37 go to the specified site, you can read everything about it in detail, there are the same full-size

[Mams]

MamsI don’t know as a friend, but I’ve already sort of adapted. Many experiments have been carried out for this. But if I had the opportunity to stick the baskets from the old dishwasher ............. ... unfortunately they don't fit.

And your cutlery basket is not collapsible? In my old one, it was divided into 2 parts, and in the new one into 3.

[Admin]

Admin how you wrote about your car on time. On the first pages, Everyone recommends taking 60 cm so that baking trays can fit and large pots, and I was originally going to be 45 cm. buy and I was a little confused. Now the issue has been resolved in favor of 45cm.

[Admin]

Admin how you wrote about your car on time. Now the issue has been resolved in favor of 45cm.

kolynushayou can rest assured. I bought a 45 cm BOSCH in February. Thanks Admin! It even includes a cauldron that I got from my grandmother, and it is 12-liter! Trays - no problem. Washes clean, dries dry.

I wish you all clean dishes, baking tins and baking trays.

Take care of your pens, they will still come in handy

Take me to the ranks of dishwashers. Updated with a brand new Bosch SGS-46M22.

And I have a question about the principle of work of the PM. How does it wash: does it collect water and wash it, or does water pass through the PM constantly from the beginning of the wash to the end?
I have a weak pressure in the pipes, that's why I ask

Congratulations! Now the dishes will be perfectly clean!

Thank you!
In two days I have already washed everything that I could wash and everything that I found in the house that can be washed in PM I didn’t even think that my dishes were so not clean before, compared to how my Boshik copes with it Anyway, I have not seen such sparkling clean dishes for a long time

[Caprice]

Caprice , congratulations on your purchase

And I have a question about the principle of work of the PM. How does it wash: does it collect water and wash it, or does water pass through the PM constantly from the beginning of the wash to the end?
I have a weak pressure in the pipes, that's why I ask

Everything happens almost like in a washing machine
Collecting water - washing - draining, collecting - rinsing - draining.
The instructions say at what minimum water pressure the machine works (you can look in the store, or, if you're lucky with a sales assistant, ask him)
mine collects water and with an almost complete lack of pressure

Marfusha! In my village, the water pressure is also very weak, there is enough for the PM, but I had to put a pump for the washing machine

I wish you all clean dishes, baked bread tins and baking sheets.

Take care of your pens, they will still come in handy

And by the way! Can I wash my bread maker in the dishwasher? Isn't it aluminum?
And another question - on pots, the rim from the broth is well washed off or do you have to wash it? (this is what the mother-in-law argues for her unwillingness to buy a dishwasher)

I do not know how in other HP, but in the instructions for my Kenwood it is clearly written that the form cannot be washed in the PM. There, some kind of oil seal can get spoiled and Teflon is flimsy.
But he washes pots better than with his hands - no "rims" were observed

dear owners of PM please tell me if you need a delicate washing function. And in general, what is it? Is it possible to wash wine glasses and glass or is it for dishes with delicate patterns ?? And if it is not there, can you wash wine glasses and other dishes made of thin glass in it? Help me figure it out, I can't decide which car to take

"Delicate" function ("glass", etc.)from different manufacturers) implies a low temperature of the main washing and rinsing (30-45 degrees, as opposed to 60-70 degrees of the main modes and temperature drying), has nothing to do with a thin pattern - if it is made "gold", it will be wash off in any mode, the speed of washing off the gold pattern will depend only on the detergent used, if there is another dish, then it is all the same. if there is something on the dishes that is not recommended to be washed in the dishwasher, then, believe me, it is written for a reason (most often on beautiful children's mugs and plates). I personally rarely use the "glass" mode, I wash the chandelier shades in this mode after the summer, because they are made of glass, and even matte - wipe it with a rag - just carry the dust, and after the dishwasher - a sight to see I do not use the mode, because I wash the crystal with a mild soapy solution (not as aggressive as in the dishwasher) and with my hands.
Modern cars differ very little among themselves - I took eletrolux after the advice of a repairman friend who said that this model rarely breaks down - but that means nothing.
Good luck to you, in any case it will not disappoint you.

[absolutely all]

And by the way! Can I wash my bread maker in the dishwasher? Isn't it aluminum?
And another question - on pots, the rim from the broth is well washed off or do you have to wash it? (this is what the mother-in-law argues for her unwillingness to buy a dishwasher)

Teflon does not deteriorate in my PM, I even throw Tefal pans there easily. But aluminum things after washing look, let's say: very unpresentable, unlike stainless steel dishes, which simply sparkles. The instructions for my Bosch say that you should not wash wooden dishes and things that can be irreparably damaged during the washing process. I wash the rest and am terribly happy. And you will soon forget about the broth rim. My husband didn’t just motivate his unwillingness to buy PM. Up to the point that he himself washed mountains of dishes. You can imagine how he washed it, if now after washing it I washed it in PM absolutely all dishes in the house. My son and I just went to the store ourselves and bought a PM, and put my husband in front of a fait accompli, at the same time warning that now we will have to change a completely stone work surface in the kitchen, taking into account the gas stove we threw away along the way and the PM purchased instead of it and cooking board.

In my BOSCH car there are holders for washing trays, and there are different baking trays - both poured and Teflon - everything washes well. And the baking dishes are different mine - both glass and teflon, they are always dirty after being oiled.
And the frying pans are fatty - one thrill to wash in the car. And besides, with very hot water, you can't wash it with your hands.

You get used to good pleasure quickly - for me today, it’s better to buy one more form or a baking sheet than to wash them with boiling water by hand, and besides, it’s more expensive to pay for hot water - more expensive than the cost of the same new form.

[Bosch SGS 57 m82 EU]

My husband has nothing to motivate his unwillingness to buy PM.

I've been trying to persuade mine for 5 years now;) It seems that I have already agreed, but no, no, and he will stutter: "Maybe not, eh?" This is despite the fact that in a family of 3 adults and 3 kids (older than 5 years old) only I wash dishes. Sometimes mom, but she doesn't see well and sometimes have to wash after her. And I feel sorry for her. An advertisement about "I'm not a dishwasher ..." is about me, just the opposite: red: In general, buying a dishwasher for me is no longer just "I want", but already "We must, Fedya, we must!"
True, the shops of our city (Bratsk) do not please with a special choice. For example, there are 3 dishwashers: Bosch SGS 57 m82 EUfor 24 thousand AEG 40660after repair, discounted for 10 thousand and Indesit IDL 57 PT.2for 14 thousand. It is called - try to accelerate At the price we will pull and Bosch. Should I take him?
By the way, did anyone say anything good about the Indesites?

I have been trying to persuade mine for 5 years already and .... only I wash the dishes.

This is decisive information - let the husband wash for a couple of days and even have no questions. Now to the questions: modern aluminum frying pans with Teflon wash well, aluminum is cast and chiseled, but aluminum kitchen utensils (I have a garlic press, for example) are covered with a very small, very dirty gray powder coating (though not every aluminum - but it's still Not recommended). Silver loses its appearance, and if it is blackened with a pattern, then the blackened pattern very quickly washed out of silver. If whitish stains remain on the Teflon coating, then the dishwasher has nothing to do with it - you need to choose a rinse aid (and if it is good, just change the amount supplied). If you have such a large family, your only option is to strike before buying a dishwasher. In the summer I stayed at home alone - and even then I did not wash anything with my hands, not even cups and glasses. Believe me - the machine does it much better and more - we roughly counted on a standard wash (2 hot rinses, washing 65 degrees, and drying) the cost of the cycle was 6-8 rubles! (with water (14 liters - consumption) electricity (1-1.2 kW / h consumption) and salt / detergent / rinse aid) - here's another argument for you. You can take pills - the cost of the cycle is a little more expensive - but literally by a penny. NEVER wash with your hands like a dishwasher does (not taking into account the saving of energy, water, detergents, time, money, etc.) And in the morning, taking out shiny clean warm dishes from the machine is a pleasure no less than taking them out of a bucket bread maker of some masterpiece.
Second - Bosch, Ariston, Indesit, Electrolux - all good cars - Bosch has long been made not in Germany, and the rest are not in Italy or Sweden. even if it says so on them - they are all the same from Chinese and Turkish components - but this in no way makes them worse. in my opinion painted almost everything. Good luck and PM is your only way out.

no, no, and he will stutter: "Maybe not, eh?" This is despite the fact that in a family of 3 adults and 3 kids (older than 5 years old) only I wash the dishes.

If only he didn’t "stutter", then he doesn’t wash the dishes
Optional: tell your husband that you have seen a doctor and that you are allergic to detergents. At the same time, let him know that due to the fact that his mother does not see well, the dishes remain dirty, and that from now on, he will have to wash the dishes after the whole family

And I have a problem right. There is also a rim from the broth, and glass pan lids are poorly washed. I have been blinking like this lately, I don't react to it, I wash something with my hands, I get upset somewhere in my subconscious. And now I've read you, and I remember that the car really was better than soap before! What's the matter? I'll go for instructions.

Freken Bock, can you remind me what kind of car you have and what kind of powder are you filling?

[Freken Bock]

Freken Bock, do you add some dish rinse aid to the machine? It is it that removes stains from dishes and adds shine. Also, do you add special salt? What kind of detergent do you use? Manufacturers Bosch and Siemens recommend using "Finish" products. With the timely addition of salt and shine, one tablet of detergent is enough for me for a large machine (60 cm)

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo , Bosch SGS 3002. Calgonite powder. I have a husband doing the dishes. And something tells me that the reason for the unsatisfactory results is his innate economy. Do not spare the tea leaves, as in that joke. You will need to try to add more powder

[Caprice]

Caprice , we call a rinse aid a rinse aid, we use it, add it according to the indicator, and the Finish powder in our area is called Calgonit. Salt is available, my husband watches over this. I suspect that he is not getting enough powder.

Try to increase the salt consumption, it helped me. At first there were problems, now the dishes are clean. If necessary, I can weigh how much powder I pour. I had a measuring spoon attached to the dishwasher, so I use it. I pour in an almost full spoon, I pour almost everything into the powder container and the rest right on the door, because.always wash the dishes on the longest program with a hot pre-rinse.

[Natty]

Natty, I have such a Bosch. I like it a lot. Washes well. The main program is 50 degrees. Grill grates and baking trays for 70 - it's just a fairy tale. A ham (stainless steel) dish even at 50 degrees - washes to a shine. It's like new, even though I use it every week. I also liked Whirlpool, but I didn’t see it live, and I didn’t want to buy it without looking.
I keep thinking, why do our beloved men sometimes do not want to help us?

Freken Bock, I changed the rinse aid. There was Somat, I bought Luxus Crystal Fix. The difference is palpable. The dishes have become much cleaner and drier.

The rinse aid does not affect the cleanliness of the dishes. The quality of drying depends on the rinse aid.

[Freken Bock]

Freken Bock, if your husband is so economical, then try replacing the powder with tablets.One tablet is enough for one wash, and, most importantly, you cannot halve it
And our rinse aid is called a rinse aid

Boo Boo, rinse aid and how it affects. Not for washing, but for rinsing and shine And about salt, the technician who connected my PM told me that it should be poured to the very tip of the eye and added only when the salt-free light on the panel lights up, as well as the rinse aid.

I'm afraid it will be even worse to wash with the pills, in any case it was so with me ..........
Eh, I'll go pick out the dirty dishes from the sink and try to stick everything in. And if something doesn't fit, I can move it from place to place for a long time, although I wash it with handles much faster. Here is such a PM mania.

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo, I'm still happy with the pills.

This is probably because you add salt and rinse aid in addition to the tablets. Our tablets are positioned as 3 in 1. That is, neither salt nor rinse aid is required. In the old dishwasher, I used to wash with powder, then tablets appeared. I switched to them. But in the new pill as it did not go. The dishes were not well washed. Therefore, I again switched to powder, salt and rinse aid.

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo, do you still believe advertising? It seemed to me that I was communicating with a big girl. Don't look at these "3 in 1". This is purely a publicity stunt, like many other things. In addition, these tablets are not only "3 in 1". Don't believe in ads and put in good old salt and rinse aid. Think of tablets as compressed powder and nothing more.

And what's the point of buying expensive tablets if you still need to fill in salt and rinse aid. The powder will be much cheaper.

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo, well, whatever you want, you know better. And that I was so worried, your dishes remain unwashed ... By the way, I did not notice much difference in price, especially since we are now having a good promotion: all Finish detergents (which you call Calgonite) now 1 + 1, and at a very attractive price.

I have it just now washed, but with pills it was not very much. And you really shouldn't worry.

I have such a Bosch. I like it a lot. Washes well.

And how does his door open - easily or with some effort? In the store I opened Indesit - there was a feeling that the door was good, snug. Bosch pulled with the same force - almost fell, opened, barely touched (well, almost) but I didn't like it - there is no feeling of reliability or what? Or is it intended?

Thank you all for your support! I didn't cheat and just showed my husband this topic in the forum and now - about happiness! ; Dwill give me a birthday present! :) not long left to wait - less than a month :) In the meantime, we will move the washing machine from the kitchen to the bathroom - prepare a place for a new assistant

[Natty]

Natty, good luck
By the way, the door of my Bosch fits snugly and opens with some effort. Obviously, the one that you tried in the store was simply open, someone had already "looked" in front of you. Besides, the Bosch company, in my opinion, is more reliable than Indesit. But it's up to you to decide, in any case.

[Natty]

Natty, good luck
Obviously, the one that you tried in the store was simply open, someone had already "looked" it in front of you

Thank you!!!
Let's hope that this is so, because if on day X there is nothing else when visiting all the hot spots of the city, let's take it.

Natty, and I have a 45 cm Bosch insert. The door opens with a certain effort, it fits very tightly. By the way, she is very quiet. My car is German assembly. My husband tried to ask the question "is it necessary?", I solved this situation quickly: I gave it to myself for my birthday just before going on maternity leave. The beauty! By the way, you asked somewhere about the rims on the pans, I still have them. I don’t know, maybe because I’m doing something wrong. I solved the problem like this, before placing the pots in the PMM I run a sponge along the rim, everything is washed off. In the end, even if any "defects" are found at the exit, everything is washed with one or two movements. Successful shopping for you, I think my husband will also appreciate the purchase. In any case, the number of skeptics in my circle has diminished, some have also acquired umm, others have started to think.