Dishwasher selection (1)

Sofim,
I have such a PMM. For a year already. No complaints. Instructions for hanging the door - the child will figure it out.

I have already had a built-in 45cm Ariston for half a year. The price was normal 3600 UAH. and assembly of the European Union. I load every day without absenteeism. The door is simply hung. When the kitchen was ordered to us immediately and the door was made.

[zvezda, aynat]

zvezda, aynatThanks for the feedback!

Can also look at this: Hotpoint-Ariston CIS LST 328 A / HA?

She doesn't have an auto-program like. But many wrote that the car washes for a very long time and do not use it. Is having an auto-program critical?

I already have a built-in 45cm Ariston for six months

What model do you have?

I have Hotpoint-Ariston LST 1147. There is a program for rinsing dishes every half hour, intensive and for not very dirty dishes, and an EKO program. For crystal, I didn't need it, but all these programs are 100% satisfied

[Leka,]

Leka,
wow The price for your typewriter in many online stores is less than UAH 3000 - this is generally a super price
Doesn't she seem to have an auto program and are you satisfied?
Just in case, I can probably choose a more expensive model, although now I know that Ariston can be taken. Thank you!

[Sofim]

Sofim Ariston_Indezhut is not worth buying, if in doubt, a lot of information here 🔗

[Sofim]

Sofim Ariston_Indezhut is not worth buying, if in doubt, a lot of information here 🔗

Ooooooo, 40 pages of that forum, I will not master ... I will take my word for it .... Whirlpool better?

Here many Beko are happy, can Ariston be worse?

here Beko is more affordable than Ariston, and the choice of models is several times larger. There are no reviews at all on Ariston, but there are many good ones on Beko.

Well, I don’t know ..... I have a kuma for 5 years, my mother is 3 years old, and my brother is 6 years old Ariston, everyone is happy, no one has ever gone to the service, ugh, ugh ... Maybe in Russia there are problems with them? That's why we took that everyone is fine
A car is not needed, for intensive cleaning of filters from the hood and grates from the stove, it washes the pans with a bang! And the rest of the dishes are on a not very dirty program. The main thing is to take a normal assembly ...

here Beko is more affordable than Ariston, and the choice of models is several times larger. There are no reviews at all on Ariston, but there are many good ones on Beko.

We have full-sided Beko models, one of which has lame classes and can be ignored. For the second price as for Ariston, some Ariston models are even cheaper!

Well, I don’t know ..... I have a kuma for 5 years, my mother is 3 years old, and my brother is 6 years old Ariston, everyone is happy, no one has ever gone to the service, ugh, ugh ... Maybe in Russia there are problems with them? That's why we took that everyone is fine
A car is not needed, for intensive washing filters from the hood and grates from the stove, it washes the pans with a bang! And the rest of the dishes are on a not very dirty program. The main thing is to take a normal assembly ...

Thank you, this is a very positive statistic.

I saw the assembly on some site - Poland. This is the European Union

There are also inexpensive Electroluxes, for example, this model: ESL 46010.

True, I heard about Electroluxes that they are afraid of voltage drops. We have no obvious differences, but maybe it seems so to me, but the machine will seem different

[Sofim]

Sofim The "budget" in terms of quality is about the same for everyone, so you don't have to think too much. Look at the service, do you have it in your city?
The statistics will tell you only in the service

Sofim, why do you want embedded so persistently? do dishwasher facades really look so awful?



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[Gypsy]

Gypsy, I have a kitchen of only 10 sq m, there will be no integrity of the furniture if you do not put in an installation ..you get a valve of furniture, a valve of an oven, again furniture, a dishwasher, furniture ... - I don't like that, at least in a small kitchen ...
Oh, it turns out there are inexpensive Bosch SRV series, can you look at them?

BOSCH SRV 53 M 03 EU for example?

[Sofim]

Sofim Quite possible

We have full-sided Beko models, one of which has lame classes and can be ignored.

I don't think the classes really matter. At one time, my niece and I considered how much a B-class refrigerator eats more energy than an A-class refrigerator. It turned out 30 rubles a year. Next example, my old dishwasher is 15 years old. I think there is class A and it does not smell. And it dries dishes much better than my new AAA dishwasher.

[Boo Boo]

Boo Boo, 15 years ago there was a different quality. And now all AAA must be taken, maybe then something will be better ..

[Gypsy]

Gypsy, I have a kitchen of only 10 sq m, there will be no integrity of furniture if you do not put in an installation .. you get a furniture valve, an oven valve, again furniture, a dishwasher, furniture .. - I don’t like that, at least in a small kitchen ...

May be
You still look at how it looks in life, maybe the devil is not so scary, because 10m is not so little .. everything is known in comparison
White can be matched to a white kitchen, stainless steel is generally universal, if you have stainless steel handles on furniture and the rest of the equipment with stainless steel, then there will be complete harmony

The kitchens are good, you can't say anything, but I look at the orange and I wanted to cry in this color, but I did not find the desired pure shade. I had to change the style to country for bleached oak with patina
And at the expense of the dishwasher - everything seems to be good in the photo, but for some reason I don't see it open at home .. open in my opinion is more suitable for the modern style .. although I'm not strong in styles

Beko DFS 1500 S users how to set the salt supply in it?
There is nothing in the instructions in clumsy Russian

Beko DFS 1500 S users how to set the salt supply in it?
There is nothing in the instructions in clumsy Russian

In my eyelid, the model is different, the salt consumption is not regulated in any way. You can only adjust the consumption of rinse aid and detergent (this is how much you add). All...

[OlenaS]

OlenaS It can't be! As Stanislavsky said "I do not believe"

[OlenaS]

OlenaS It can't be! As Stanislavsky said "I do not believe"

On the inside of the door there is a compartment for the powder (there are two marks for the amount of powder) and for the rinse aid (regulator from 1 to 5 or 6). In the bottom of the machine itself, there is a compartment for salt, screwed with a lid. All. There are no more flow regulators. Or am I misunderstanding something? I can take a photo ...
And there was nothing in the instructions about salt adjustment ...

[OlenaS]

OlenaS I am looking on the Internet ... I have a mechanical regulator and an electronic regulator in my car, but here it is not clear on page 21 If the hardness level is saved as r1
the indicator will never come on even if the salt compartment is empty ...

On the inside of the door there is a compartment for the powder (there are two marks for the amount of powder) and for the rinse aid (regulator from 1 to 5 or 6). In the bottom of the machine itself, there is a compartment for salt, screwed with a lid.

And you look into this compartment, there should be a regulator. I have it on two machines.

[OlenaS]

OlenaS I am looking on the Internet ... I have a mechanical regulator and an electronic regulator in my car, but here it is not clear on page 21 If the hardness level is saved as r1
the indicator will never come on even if the salt compartment is empty ...

There is only a salt level indicator on the board. As soon as there is little salt, it lights up. The same goes for the rinse aid.
In my opinion, the salt consumption here is tied to the water hardness level = rinse aid dispenser.
There is no separate mechanical regulator for salt.

You can electronically set the rinse aid level indicator, which is set to ON / OFF, respectively, when the machine is running, signals that there is not enough salt / rinse aid will be displayed on the display or not.

I don't know what (r1) is from the instruction.I have the same on page 26. It is not found anywhere else in the text. Maybe this Russian version of the instruction is so clumsy? Need to see instructions in other languages.

You know, somehow it did not occur to me that the absence of a salt regulator should be alarming As for me, it is very logical: for a certain water hardness, a certain consumption of salt and rinse aid is used. Somehow I didn't think ...

And you look into this compartment, there should be a regulator. I have it on two machines.

And how to look into it if it is constantly full of water? And when you add salt, excess water flows out.
I tried it with my finger - there is nothing to the touch inside that resembles a regulator, neither rotating nor bridging ...
And there is nothing in the instructions, absolutely!

Who else are the owners of VEKO - tell me what you have with the regulation of the salt level?

In my Boshik, the rinse aid is regulated mechanically (there is a regulator in the corresponding compartment), and the salt consumption is regulated by the program selection buttons, you have to press a special tricky combination and select a level from 0 to 7 (factory setting 4). It is doubtful that the salt consumption was tied to the rinse aid, since the water is very different in composition and both of these positions must be adjusted separately to achieve the best result.

[special tricky combination]

In my Boshik, the rinse aid is regulated mechanically (there is a regulator in the corresponding compartment), and the salt consumption is regulated by the program selection buttons, you must press special tricky combination and select a level from 0 to 7 (factory setting 4). It is doubtful that the salt consumption was tied to the rinse aid, since the water is very different in composition and both of these positions must be adjusted separately to achieve the best result.

I suspect it may be so. But if this is so, then it is not documented in the instructions
I looked through the instructions in Russian, German, English and Polish - the same everywhere. What is (r1) is unknown.

In general, the paper instruction differs from the one on the off-site 🔗Catalog / Dishwasher% 20machine / Instructions / DFS_1500.pdf

In general, the paper instruction differs from the one on the off-site 🔗Catalog / Dishwasher% 20machine / Instructions / DFS_1500.pdf

nd ..... on paper I have a little more. And here I have only 9 first pages showing. Is that all or is the instruction given in full?

[OlenaS]

OlenaS I think this is the whole instruction, moreover, it is given for the entire DFS series. Searches for another option have not yet yielded results

[OlenaS]

OlenaS I think this is the whole instruction, moreover, it is given for the entire DFS series. Searches for another option have not yet yielded results

Well, there is at least something on the Russian site. In Ukrainian, and that is not (certainly not at the time when I was choosing a typewriter). And in general, of all the contacts of the VECO representative office in Ukraine, only a free telephone of the type 0-800 -... Why are they so encrypted? Or do they have no office in Ukraine?

[OlenaS]

Such a number of PMM CENTURY users only on this forum! And silence....
Really except OlenaS no one was puzzled by the problem of water hardness and the setting of salt in the CENTURY?

[OlenaS]

Such a number of PMM CENTURY users only on this forum! And silence....
Is it really except OlenaS no one was puzzled by the problem of water hardness and the setting of salt in the CENTURY?

sazalexter
Summer is to blame, oh summer ...!

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, I have Veko 6830. I set the salt like this: (I write everything from the instructions)
- with the machine turned off, press and hold the program selection key, at the same time press the on / off button. to turn on the machine. Release the program selection key when the water hardness level stored in your machine is displayed in the format: "r .....".
- The Start / Stop icon starts flashing as soon as the water hardness level stored in your machine is displayed in the format: "r .....".
- select the water hardness level suitable for your machine by pressing the delayed start button.
- Press the Start / Pause / Cancel key once to save your selected level.
- the Start / Stop icon will remain solid when the new severity level is saved.
- press the on / off button to turn off the machine.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, I have Veko 6830. I set the salt like this: (I write everything from the instructions)
- with the machine turned off, press and hold the program selection key, at the same time press the on / off button. to turn on the machine. Release the program selection key when the water hardness level stored in your machine is displayed in the format: "r .....".
- The Start / Stop icon starts flashing as soon as the water hardness level stored in your machine is displayed in the format: "r .....".
- select the water hardness level suitable for your machine by pressing the delayed start button.
- Press the Start / Pause / Cancel key once to save your selected level.
- the Start / Stop icon will remain solid when the new severity level is saved.
- press the on / off button to turn off the machine.

Thank you!!! works

Do you have any recommendations in the instructions or some kind of correspondence table between water hardness and salt level? We have water from our well, clean and soft. I set the rinse aid to 1. The salt level was set to 3 (r3). I think that it will also be enough for 1 ...

And one more thing: how long have you bought PMM? Just so different instructions

[OlenaS]

OlenaS Glad to have helped you.
1. there is a table. There's harshness in English, French and German. measurements. If you need to print a table. I gave my water to the laboratory. Its hardness is 6.7 in our units (I do not remember how it is measured, mg / l or something). Translated into those in the table. The result is the 4th level of rigidity. But for some reason there are stains in the car. I think it's not enough salt. you will need to install the 5th and see.
2. I bought the car in November. But! the instruction itself does not say this. The package with the documents contained an indicator and a sheet. Here on this sheet it is written how to install salt.
sazalexter, I will wait for the result.

[OlenaS]

OlenaS Glad to have helped you.
1. there is a table. There's harshness in English, French and German. measurements. If you need to print a table. I gave my water to the laboratory. Its hardness is 6.7 in our units (I don’t remember how it is measured, mg / l or something). Translated into those in the table. The result is the 4th level of rigidity. But for some reason there are stains in the car. I think it's not enough salt. you will need to install the 5th and see.
2. I bought the car in November. But! the instruction itself does not say this. The package with the documents contained an indicator and a sheet. Here on this sheet it is written how to install salt.
sazalexter, I will wait for the result.

I also found such leaflets about water softening. True, in the Russian version, the algorithm that you gave is in English text
I also remembered that I saw the plate, I determined the hardness of our water using the indicator that was in the machine.

In general, we figured it out Thank you very much again for the tips !!!

[OlenaS]

OlenaS Glad to have helped you.
1. there is a table. There's harshness in English, French and German. measurements. If you need to print a table. I gave my water to the laboratory. Its hardness is 6.7 in our units (I do not remember how it is measured, mg / l or something). Translated into those in the table. The result is the 4th level of rigidity. But for some reason there are stains in the car. I think it's not enough salt. you will need to install the 5th and see.

About divorces: if in our system you have a hardness of 6.7 mg CaO / 100 ml of water (we have our units under the plate), then to transfer to the German system you need to divide by 0.179 mmol (also see the data under the plate). This is 37.43 dH in German degrees. And according to the table, this corresponds to level 6. So, most likely, you need to try to increase the salt consumption.

[OlenaS]

About divorces: if in our system you have a hardness of 6.7 mg CaO / 100 ml of water (we have our units under the plate), then to transfer to the German system, you need to divide by 0.179 mmol (also see the data under the plate). This is 37.43 dH in German degrees. And according to the table, this corresponds to level 6. So, most likely, you need to try to increase the salt consumption.

OlenaS, I don't have our measurements under the table. Climbed into the Internet. Found this 🔗... I again get the 4th level of hardness.

[OlenaS]

OlenaS, I don't have our measurements under the table. Climbed into the Internet. Found this 🔗... I again get the 4th level of hardness.

According to the table on a piece of paper, I have the following:
dH: German degrees 1 dH = 1 mg CaO / 100 ml water = 0.179 mmol

In general, I tried to double-check, but I get confused in the units of measurement Offhand, I get both 4 and 6 degrees

But you still look at the units in which you have hardness as a result of water analysis. I raised my documents: we have 5.5 meq / dm3 at a rate of 7 (GOST 2874-82 "Drinking water", that is, the standards in Ukraine are still Soviet. Perhaps the same in Russia). That is, if I recount correctly, then according to it. degrees, you get a 3 level of hardness (and a sure middle of the range). The tester, which was in the typewriter, gave either level 1 or 2 - I don't remember exactly. But at the 2nd level, I had stains on the dishes. As a result, it is set to 1. No divorces. Further, I did not bother with the possible incorrect setting of the stiffness parameters ...

[IN]

Comrades, there is no time and effort to reread 178 pages. If possible, I need a quick answer
Tell me, pzhlsta, is it worth overpaying for 1 \ 2 sink?
Why is the fast / short program good and is it badly needed?
And is the classiness of the PMM so important if, for example, AAIN... Why is it worse from the AAA class?

It seems to me that this is a purely individual function-1/2 of the sink, depending on what kind of family you have and how often you cook. Personally, I really need it, because there are two of us and I don't always want to leave the dishes for tomorrow, and there is not a lot of it, or after baking, quickly wash the soiled dishes. But if the difference in price is sooo big, I wouldn't overpay.
A quick wash is a must !!! And in terms of classes, of course, everything is AAA, because the latter is the quality of drying !!! Good luck to you!!! After all, we buy a car not for a year and I think it is better to choose with good performance.

[zvezda]

zvezda , there are four of us in the family about this and doubts about 1/2 load.
And what does this "quick wash" give? What is the advantage?
About drying, i.e. if the drying class IN, then this means that it will dry worse? What's worse? Will the dishes be damp or do they just dry in some other way?
I read that there are different ways of drying: by air flows, by a heating element, by increasing the temperature of the water in the last phase of the programs, that is, under the influence of its own heat, etc.

[RybkA]

RybkA I don’t have such a function, unfortunately ...... there are four of us too, but when only now there were no children, this function would have been needed, and so I wash everything on the AUTO program, I took that zabula.
I tried it on a 30 minute program, but there is no drying, the dishes come out wet essno, and they are good only for light dirt, but it may not wash like that ... I just tried it twice. I have not tried it with soaking and it is heavily contaminated ... because there was none

And what brand did not Beko look after ???

[RybkA]

RybkA, do not take heavy in your hands and nothing superfluous in your head! Buy the one that you like purely subjectively and the budget allows. In any case, some chips will be unnecessary, but something will be missing. "There is nothing perfect in the world ..." (Exupery).
Each manufacturer has its own method of classifying parameters, so it may turn out that drying class B is better than A (or not worse). Some even introduce their own A ++ and A ++++++++. Class A means completely dry dishes, and class B means a dozen drops of water.But plates dry wonderfully even in the cheapest typewriters, and plastic dries poorly even in the most expensive ones. And the puddles in the bottoms of the cups are generally sacred. Of course, a super-super-turbo dryer can dry this tablespoon of water, but the plaque will remain. Do you need it?
Half load and quick wash - it is impossible to say for sure whether it is necessary or not. Someone uses them all the time, I personally do not use them. Eh, no, I'm lying. At my quick canning jar. And it is more pleasant to ferment pots-plates for a longer time, 2-3 hours. It doesn't matter at night, what difference does it make. By the way, I consider the presence of a delayed start a very important function.

[Jefry]

Jefry bull's-eye...........
I also think that it is not worth bothering, I have Electrolux, so some tovarischi told me that they react to a power surge, well, and that all the same it fell to my heart, so she and FSE ....... Of course, last night she could not even turn it on, because due to the heat, the air conditioners were probably turned on and my voltage was small, but in the morning I got up and turned on everything ....... Yes, the dishes still work with water, and the rest of the dishes are dry and crispy

By the way, delaying the start is a good thing, but my point is that you probably need to wash the dishes only in the morning, because they turn off cold water at 10 pm, but after half an hour, hot water, so it will blink that there is no water. ......... probably better with a delay (but I only noticed this when the heat began, and before that the water was longer and the machine had time to wash everything) .............. ..... goats are just a mockery
You need to try with a delayed start, otherwise I have not tried this function in any way