Bread maker - dough mixer

[gypsies,]

Lyudochka, 2-mixer firmly kneads on dumplings and noodles. You don't have to stir. Have gypsies, by the way one-mixer and good too.

It's a good question how much better the twin-screw HP does the batch. Is it really worth it to strive to take it exactly? Is the difference so striking?

It's a good question how much better the twin-screw HP does the batch. Is it really worth it to strive to take it exactly? Is the difference so striking?

I think there is no striking difference, the difference is only in grams .. 900 grams of dough or 1.5 kg. Match your family, your appetites.
By the way, there are small ovens for a maximum of 450-500 grams of dough (not flour, dough)

[Gypsy]

It's a good question how much better the twin-screw HP does the batch. Is it really worth it to strive to take it exactly? Is the difference so striking?

Yes, Gypsy right as always. I compare with my two. The one that one auger and kneads and kneads and kneads .... well kneads voobschem, qualitatively, and the one that is 2-X - raz-dyva and ready In short, her batch cycle. But the result is stable both there and there.

Thank you.
Another question for filling. Do you think the power of the 450 W oven is too small when used as a kneader?

Yes, this is very little. I have not the most powerful, but even then 600

Yes, this is very little. I have not the most powerful, but even then 600

Strangely different, I looked at Redmond RBM-1901 and Redmond RBM-1902. Everywhere on the internet 640 W is indicated, and in the instructions for the HP itself - 450.
Maybe they have different powers in different modes ...

Maybe now someone will see and respond - apart from my HP, I know little about others. Before buying, I studied the information, but I ran more along Delphi and Orions (we have them, as well as in / in Ukraine).

Thank you.
Another question for filling. Do you think the power of the 450 W oven is too small when used as a kneader?

I could be wrong, but most likely this can affect baking, because the bread maker surely shakes more when baking.
Usually ovens for 700-900 g of baking have a capacity of about 600 at least.

Strangely different, I looked at Redmond RBM-1901 and Redmond RBM-1902. Everywhere on the internet 640 W is indicated, and in the instructions for the HP itself - 450.
Maybe they have different powers in different modes ...

Can you give up these stoves? no one has such .. risk Choose from those that advise.

twin of your stove, written 450V - 🔗

choose which thread is more powerful for a kilogram of dough.

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which one is for 1.5 kg, probably 2 mixers .. a lot of prog dough:
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[steaming]

Girls do you think it's real to have a program in x \ n *steaming*?


• Baking weight: 500g / 750g / 1000g
• Liquid crystal display
• Electronic control
• 13 baking programs
• Automatic keeping of baked goods hot
• 3 degrees of browning of the crust
• Timer with the ability to delay cooking up to 13 hours
• Ability to save settings in memory up to 15 minutes after power off
• Non-stick baking dish coating

Programs
- "White bread"
- quick bread
- jam
- bakery products
- baking French bread
- steaming
- cake
- unleavened dough
- baking
- sweet bread
- whole flour bread

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This is where the shadows should be? And where is the water tank? and where is the product itself?

Orion 27

As far as I understand, there are no Orions and Delphi in Russia.

This I mean, they are just clones. And Orion has no such "steaming"
I can put a piece from the instructions. I doubt that the programs are very different for Orion and this mystery.

Rina72, and what does Orion have instead of steaming?

As far as I understand, there are no Orions and Delphi in Russia.

Exactly. But there are apparently a bunch of clones.
By the way, Redmond is not one of them. This is quite an American company and, moreover, very decent in quality. As for the design of their devices, I believe they will overtake many well-known brands. Anyway, everything we have is quite elegant. Of course, this applies to HP to a lesser extent.

[Redmond RBM-1901]

By the way, Redmond is not one of them. This is quite an American company and, moreover, very decent in quality.

American ?!

it's your Redmond RBM-1901


this Severin BM 3983

Well what can I say. The history of the company is shrouded in fog and begins in 2007, which of course does not allow us to call them the oldest brand.
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The website of the company itself is not loading at all yet. So your assumptions are well founded. But the products are very stylish and the quality of those that I have in use is quite up to par.
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"Today REDMOND (REDMOND Industrial Group LLC, USA) is the most dynamically developing North American brand of household appliances in Russia. The main focus of the company is the production of household appliances aimed at improving the quality of life of people in the field of healthy eating, active lifestyle and health care. Today in Russia there is a wide range of new products and solutions that demonstrate Redmond's commitment to the ideas of health and well-being of people. you can be sure that you are making the right choice with health benefits and care for the environment All materials used in the production of REDMOND equipment and having the “Hygienic Certificate” logo have passed the examination for compliance with the established requirements, hygienic standards and sanitary rules (GN and SanPin ), as well as the safety of products for human health, established by the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation, which officially confirms the presence of a hygienic certificate. REDMOND is committed to helping customers make informed purchasing decisions about complex issues such as safety and environmental protection.
Our customers can be sure: REDMOND is a high-quality device that uses the latest technology in the use of materials and components safe for health. "

As for HP, few of them are distinguished by the presence of original solutions and the absence of twins. And inter-corporation cooperation and the creation of devices on a single unified platform using the same type of components has long been a common occurrence.
SO TODAY THE QUALITY IS NOT THE MANUFACTURER AS IT IS THE QUALITY OF ASSEMBLY AND WARRANTY SERVICE.

If Severin means SEVERIN Elektrogeräte GmbH
🔗, then of course the story here is much more solid, although the name is also not so sonorous.

REDMOND trademark is the same as Bork, try to find their foreign website

[Verny]

Verny, we somehow easier look here at the twins and the design - it bakes well and okay. After almost 2 years of being on the site - I made up my personal scale of priorities - I don't look towards HP Moulinex and Delonge - the roof is not baked in them and the people then keep a loaf in an airfryer or oven. I do not accept KENWOOD - buckets do not live up to a year and begin to leak. And it seems that there are well-known companies and there is a service ...: girl_in_dreams: And in general, we are here Gypsy taught me how to choose ovens based on photographs of bread from it - there were no punctures yet.

"Today REDMOND (REDMOND Industrial Group LLC, USA) is the most dynamically developing North American brand of household appliances in Russia.

on the fence too * ... * is written .... ... but that does not mean that it is there ..
they will write you something else .. marketing in Russian, damn it.

I have already written about rice cookers that enter our markets. The girls wondered why they had to sculpt different labels on the same saucepan, they say, it’s easier to promote one in all markets.

And the matter is very simple. In a certain country, which is able to inspire confidence among our consumers, firms - the owners of trademarks - have been registered and are being registered. The place of registration is usually a tiny office, or even just a post office box. But registration is in the USA, Canada, Sweden, Germany, Great Britain, France, etc. And then the owners of the TM turn to a Chinese plant, which has already developed a design and equipment for some equipment - a bread machine, rice cooker, mixer, combine. .. They can order a slightly different color scheme on the case (compare Orion and Mystery), slightly change the inscriptions on the programs, even change the programs themselves (this cost only seems solid, but in fact is tiny). And voila! The equipment of a "solid" brand that has existed for four years, but which nobody has heard of in his country, appears on the market. The TM can be "frozen" for several years until needed. Here's a story for you ... I won't be surprised if some kind of TM appears that has existed for 15 years, but which no one knew until recently.

Returning to the topic, the question of the HP dough mixer has disappeared so far. We bought the most powerful (550 W) hand mixer Redmond RHM-2101. Kneads like a beast, quickly and to a very decent steepness. It is practically impossible to burn, because it has overheating protection. But it was not possible to bring even to significant heating. Kneading rye dough perfectly in one go. After proving the wheat, the wife kneads it by hand with the words that the bread dough should absorb the warmth of the hands. Although, in principle, this can not be done. Tried right after the mixer. The bread is no worse.
By the way, a hand mixer is better in the sense that it allows you to knead all the nooks and crannies of the dishes, regardless of the steepness of the dough. Well, the process is not long in time, so it is not tiring at all.

AAAAAA .... so we agreed .... ... dough mixer-dough mixer - there is nothing better than handles !!!!
Although I myself remain with the opinion that the time saving with the kneader is very great. I crawled around a bunch of sites - I was looking for Delphu ... we don't have it now ... apparently a temporary lull ...

Although I myself remain with the opinion that the time saving with the kneader is very great.

We waste so much time in this life ...
If you bake two loaves a day, the cost of kneading is no more than half an hour with all the bouncing around. What are you talking about?

And then, I begin to understand that it is possible to put a soul into bread only through hands, even if partially armed with a mixer, and this is no less important a matter than prayer.

Why didn't you like the device? Doesn't it look cool?
The main thing is the result!

Why didn't you like the device? Doesn't it look cool?
The main thing is the result!

the device is good and it's not about the price and the firm, but about the purpose. For bread dough, they would have bought a simple processor, everything is somehow closer to the point

The mixer, of course, is always useful on the farm. But how will he withstand the kneading dough? How long will it last? And the power ... As the gypsy wrote, like a lot is written on the fence too.

: - \ the device is good and it's not about the price and the firm, but about the purpose. For the bread dough, they would have bought a simple processor, everything is somehow closer to the point

And what will the processor be better than the mixer?

The mixer, of course, is always useful on the farm. But how will he withstand the kneading dough? How long will it last? And the power ... As the gypsy wrote, like a lot is written on the fence too.

As an electrical engineer, I say the power is adequate. I myself saw how easy it is to knead the dough in which the shoulder bends. So it not only withstands the batch, but also copes with it playfully. By the way, simple processors have less power. But we'll see how much is enough. I think no less than others.

A simple processor does not need to be held with weak female hands, but holding a hand mixer in a bread dough is just a mockery of women

By the way, simple processors have less power.

power in technology is a relative concept .. besides, the processor kneads with knives.

[Verny]

Verny , no one has anything against your choice - you use it. I just don't have much time for a mixer, a dough mixer is closer to me. When baking 60pcs of pies for kneading, kneading and cutting, a lot of time will fly away for me - and it is not always available ... and the handles require care ...

[Verny]

Verny , no one has anything against your choice - you use it. I just don't have much time for a mixer, a dough mixer is closer to me. When baking 60pcs of pies for kneading, kneading and cutting, a lot of time will fly away for me - and it is not always available ... and the handles require care ...

Well, when we grow up to your, say, almost industrial volumes, perhaps we will look at the problem differently. In the meantime, there seems to be enough for the task.
In any case, sisters, thank you so much for your attention to my question, your feasible participation and almost maternal care.

Well, then you are welcome to our topics with finished products - we will be glad to see you with pies, cakes, bread and everything else !!!!

Once upon a time I also had a question, a bread machine or a dough mixer (?),
The girls on the forum advised who the bread maker, over time they say, buy a dough mixer; and whoever is immediately a kneader, a bread machine, they say, is idle in the pantry, the husband does not like the bread baked in it.
I think you can only recommend something in general terms, but advising is a pointless exercise. Each hostess (and the owner too) has her own approach and her own preferences for technology. I "took a chance", first of all I bought a bread machine, despite the fact that there is a mixer on the farm and a very good one, with a rotating bowl.
After more than a year of testing the bread maker, my opinion is that bread baking on the farm is simply irreplaceable! Homemade bread is something, even if it is not hearth, but simply baked in a bread maker, and even with sourdough! It is impossible to convey in words, and how to express this feeling of joy and happiness when you taste delicious homemade bread! Each fresh loaf is like a first love!
... Over time, I bought a combine harvester - Kenwood, but it works for me mainly only on the eve of the holidays, when I need to knead a large amount of dough, or if I was going to use the attachments. And so most often he rests. A mixer, a blender, a food processor, a slow cooker, a slow cooker, I forgot something else ... but it doesn't matter, the main thing is that, although all the equipment is in demand in the kitchen of an ordinary housewife, each one only at its own time and at its own hour.
And the bread maker does not have days off, because she works tirelessly "hands" almost every day, whether it is a holiday or a weekday.
"Hood lunch when there is no bread", "Not a piece of bread - and the table is a board", say Russian proverbs. Breadmaker is irreplaceable and the best device in my kitchen!

A simple processor does not need to be held with weak female hands, but holding a hand mixer in a bread dough is just a mockery of women

I thought so myself. But here I am guided by the opinion of my wife. And she says she doesn't bother. The mixer is powerful and therefore not lightweight. But cleverly designed. In fact, the density and viscosity of the dough compensate for the weight and it seems to be dancing in the hands so that the weight is almost not felt.
However, my wife, despite the apparent fragility, can drag a sleeping two and a half year old child for more than one kilometer.
As they say:
There are women in Russian villages
They are fondly called women;
A galloping elephant will be stopped
And his trunk will be torn off.

Well, then you are welcome to our topics with finished products - we will be glad to see you with pies, cakes, bread and everything else !!!!

Yes, even now you can report on yesterday's bread, but I don't know how to insert pictures into the topic.

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Yes, even now you can report on yesterday's bread, but I don't know how to insert pictures into the topic.

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I "took a chance", first of all I bought a bakery, despite the fact that the mixer in the farm is also very good, with a rotating bowl.
After more than a year of testing the bread maker, my opinion is that bread baking on the farm is simply irreplaceable! Homemade bread is something, even if it is not hearth, but simply baked in a bread maker, and even with sourdough!

So my wife also bakes with sourdough. Only in what the oven loses to the bread maker I don’t understand. And if it doesn’t lose, then it’s not so HP and “irreplaceable”.

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copy 3 first and here. Really curious

Why three?

Why three?

three is click-to-zoom, but you can 2.

IRR, 2 The baker asked not to use it, if I'm not confusing anything.

HP is needed not so much for baking bread as for kneading it, so that the wife can lay the ingredients and go about her business, not wash her hands of the dough, not worry about the absence of drafts and the desired temperature in the room. And you can also bake in the oven. It tastes much better in the oven.
In HP, she will be able to knead the dough for twirls, muffins and even dumplings, then, as I wrote earlier, adding flour to the table and kneading it for a couple of minutes. And if HP is powerful, then you won't have to do this either.

I personally use a 900 power harvester for such a tough test

With an ordinary mixer, I beat a little, only mayonnaise in small volumes and dough for the Capital cake, due to the specifics of my combine.

But biscuit dough and meringue - only in the combine. A REGULAR mixer will never do it so efficiently and quickly without my participation. We'll have to spend more time on this.

[Verny]

So my wife also bakes with sourdough. Only in what the oven loses to the bread maker I don’t understand. And if it doesn’t lose, then it’s not so HP and “irreplaceable”.

Verny
Irreplaceable in the sense that the x / oven does everything for you, and kneads the dough, and raises it a couple or three times, and bakes it itself. You just have to take it out, cool it down and eat. That's all your work, you can go about your business, you can leave home on business, and she will remain and continue to bake.
By analogy, you can wash with your hands, a washing machine is a whim, but no, now no one can imagine their house and economy without a washing machine. The same can be said for the dishwasher. The main thing is your time and your hands are free, this is where baking is indispensable.
P.S Your wife is just great, she bakes with sourdough, and even in the oven, because this is hard work! I had to sweat a lot before I could grow and domesticate the leaven. The hearth bread was also not immediately given, but still I was able to learn this and bake delicious bread on the hearth. But I repeat, this is work, the hostess is tied to the kitchen, to the dough, but nothing of this is with the bread maker.

It's hard to argue about washing, but we don't use a dishwasher. I think this is irrational. My dishes myself. And washing four sets with a couple of pots or pans is easy and quick. In addition, do not discount the educational value of manual labor in raising children. For example, they are happy to help knead the dough. Well, the dishes are washed as well. As for "free time", we don't really need it, because we don't have a TV set. And what you need it for, I can hardly imagine.
Thanks for the wife. But somehow I didn’t notice that it’s hard work. She does everything easily and gracefully by eye, and not by prescription. And with the advent of the mixer, she practically does not have to strain at all.
By the way, prayer helps a lot in this. Maybe that's the secret.

It's hard to argue about washing, but we don't use a dishwasher. I think this is irrational. My dishes myself. And washing four sets with a couple of pots or pans is not difficult and does not take long.In addition, do not discount the educational value of manual labor in raising children. For example, they are happy to help knead the dough. Well, the dishes are washed as well. As for "free time", we don't really need it, because we don't have a TV set. And what you need it for, I can hardly imagine.
Thanks for the wife. But somehow I didn’t notice that it’s hard work. She does everything easily and gracefully by eye, and not by prescription. And with the advent of the mixer, she practically does not have to strain at all.
By the way, prayer helps a lot in this. Maybe that's the secret.

Well, good luck with your baking!