Bread maker - dough mixer

The evening ceases to be languid ...
Well, why do you write so on forgiveness Sunday and on the eve of the women's holiday? Do not......

[Marusya29]

Marusya29
More positivity and people themselves will be drawn to you

And there was a good topic. bread maker-kneader .... it is strange that only a select few are shocked for deviations from that, but here it is. And besides themselves, who is the moderator in other topics.

Don't worry, everyone will clean up what you worry about others. A moderator is a person who has a predetermined time when he is in front of a given site, and cannot read everything in one sitting. And if it can, then sometimes (if there is nothing criminal and offensive) to flood, and after a while everything is removed. Did I explain it clearly? If, what, ask, I will try to explain

Ecclesiastes - a philosopher? : swoon: actually, this is a book, not a philosopher. The author - presumably, but debatable - is Solomon.

There is an assumption that this is the pseudonym of Solomon. Actually, the name of a Christian poet.

And we live peacefully without proving anything to anyone and without imposing.

Exactly. But that is what is valuable for us.
I ask you to consider everything I have said as a personal opinion without claims to the ultimate truth.
And this directly applies to bread makers and my attitude towards all civilizing pribluds. And in light of this, I propose to disagree with me, to debate or argue with reason. This is the path of creative search. Resentment is a dead end path.

Class ... I have been wondering for a long time why all kinds of holidays are forced to be holidays for everyone? After all, for example, in our country (where, by the way, the church is separated from the state) there are a lot of Catholics, Jews, Muslims, but there are all-state weekends on Orthodox and only on Orthodox major holidays. And there are people who do not belong to any religion at all. No, to make, say, five to seven holidays to which a person is entitled by his own choice. Communist? Celebrate yours on November 7, February 23, and something else ... Orthodox? Christmas, Easter, Veil ... Atheist? Yes, a choice - even if your birthday, wife and children, but you have the right to these days ...

Well, something like that ...

There is a lot to say, but this is really a different topic.
short:
1. This is our history and culture.
2. An attempt to find a national idea.

Don't worry, everyone will clean up what you worry about others. A moderator is a person who has a predetermined time when he is in front of a given site, and cannot read everything in one sitting. And if it can, then sometimes (if there is nothing criminal and offensive) to flood, and after a while everything is removed. Did I explain it clearly? If, what, ask, I will try to explain

Thank you.
I'm sure there is a difference between talking and chatting. Important, it sometimes happens between the lines. And in a meaningful conversation, even if at times it deviates from the topic, everyone can learn what is important and contribute their own unique and valuable to others.
There are too many myths, stereotypes, and just cynical deception today. Therefore, it is so important sometimes, instead of stupidly arguing, just turn on your head and try to understand the truth of your neighbor.

There is an assumption that this is the pseudonym of Solomon. Actually, the name of a Christian poet.

What poet?
"The title of the book is a Greek tracing paper from the Hebrew word kohelet (from kagal," to collect "), which means a preacher in the congregation; therefore, in the Greek translation from Hebrew and, accordingly, in the Christian canon of the vast majority of denominations, the book is called Ecclesiastes or Ecclesiastes (other - Greek ἐκκλησιαστής, "speaker in the congregation").

What poet?

That is what his name is, Ecclisiastus. There is a generally accepted opinion that Solomon is hiding under this pseudonym, but this has not been proven, so there could be another person with a different name under the same pseudonym.

[Verny]

That is what his name is, Ecclisiastus. There is a generally accepted opinion that Solomon is hiding under this pseudonym, but this has not been proven, so there could be another person with a different name under the same pseudonym.

When was the book of Ecclesiastes roughly written? What Christian poet?
And in general, dear Verny we are not here with you on the topic .... Ban, of course, will not give, but.

[Moderators]

Moderators, I hope, they will not delete, but where the thread will be transferred, because this is very interesting:

about Ecclesiastes - one of the books of the OT: this book has quite a lot of interpretations - after all, any translation from Hebrew is already an interpretation!
In short, the essence of this book:
"What is the benefit of a man from all his labors, which he toils under the sun?"

Therefore, a person has nothing more, how to eat and drinkand that's the best he can do. Because everything is vanity. This expression is repeated over and over in the book, over 30 times. If the sages argued about what is the meaning of life, then Kogeleth asks himself the question: is he even there? He is looking for a way that a person could go in his life to get the best, but wherever he looks, he finds nothing. Therefore, everything is vanity. There is nothing new under the sun, and everything in a person's life remains the same. A person can seek meaning in this life in various ways, but wherever he goes, death awaits him everywhere, and that means everything is vanity. There is no difference among people either: you are poor or rich, good or evil, just or unjust - the end is the same for all. Both man and animals have the same end - death. Man considers himself the master in this life and is deeply mistaken. Everything has its time under the sun, which means that it is not a person who controls this world. It is controlled by God. But God does not tell a person the secrets of His control, and therefore, when something happens, then a person knows it only after it happened. The only difference in life is the difference between the wise and the stupid... But the difference is not in their fate, they have one, but in their outlook on this life. The sage sees the vanity of this life and remains calm. Whereas a fool does not see this, and therefore, when misfortune befalls him, he becomes angry, sad and depressed. That is why the sage says: a person has nothing to do but eat and drink.

Virgin, we diligently put into practice the most ancient commandments of the Holy Scriptures!

And on the subject - my HP copes with the functions of the mixer perfectly! And kneads, and sets the correct temperature T for proofing - makes life easier to correctly and without much worries eat!

It is better to make posts on different topics separate. And then catch information about the kneader in the topic of philosophy ...

[the essence]

about Ecclesiastes - one of the books of the OT: this book has quite a lot of interpretations - after all, any translation from Hebrew is already an interpretation!
In short - the essence this book:
"What is the benefit of a man from all his labors that he toils under the sun?"

The premise is correct, but the conclusion is doubtful to me.
It seems to me that the essence is more accurately expressed in the following words (Eck 3.22):
"I saw: there is no greater good than to enjoy your deeds,
For this is the share of man ... "
Of course, this book has a lot of thoughts as a refrain. When citing quotes, one should not forget that the author used a method called in mathematics a proof from the opposite. That is, he makes an erroneous statement and, in subsequent reflection, shows its inconsistency.

And if we talk about the quintessence of the book, I see her idea is that all efforts of a person "to make their own destiny with their own hands and get a predictable result" are futile. Therefore, you just have to believe and do what you must, that is, work, and then come what may.
In other words, the cognizable, understandable, foreseeable meaning of life for a person is not in the goal, but in the process, that is, work.
Something like this.
It is clear that I am formulating this outside the framework of the Christian paradigm, because if we take it as a basis, then of course all the answers to these questions are given. But to understand and even more to accept this, you need to be a believer, Orthodox, for Christ's answers go beyond the framework of everyday life and the everyday consciousness of a person.

Finally, one last thing to notice, dear sister.
Where did you get it, sorry, but thoughtlessly, this passage, from the prefaced by the following words:

"Brief content books
Let's describe in a few words content of what the divine Preacher (Hebrew Kogelet) tells us in his book. American apologist Peter Creft sees everything content books in the first three verses of it. "Verse 1 tells us who wrote it; verse 2 - what it is; verse 3 finally gives the main reason. This is how it looks - 1. The words of Ecclesiastes, son of David, king in Jerusalem, -
2. Vanity of vanities, said Ecclesiastes, vanity of vanities - everything is vanity!
3. What is the benefit of a man from all his labors, which he toils under the sun? "
Therefore, a person is left with nothing more than to eat and drink, and this is the best thing that he can do. Because everything is vanity, lbh. This expression is repeated over and over in the book, over 30 times. ... "

Agree that content and essence are completely different concepts.
Forgive and be attentive in such essential matters. Well, try to express your thoughts, preferably after reading, and not quotes pulled with distortions from the Internet. So it may not be worth "... in short ...", you can fall into a serious mistake.
Sorry one more time.

No, I will not succumb to provocation in this thread anymore! You - with your opinion, I with - mine!

[KA8027 Krups Prep Expert]

So I fell for the device KA8027 Krups Prep Expert - who has a thread?

And is this krups a dough mixer? Well, not a bread maker for sure. Let us ask these questions ...
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=99999999&board=126.0

["DOUGH" function: a metal bowl for 2 kg of tough dough, special attachments, a lid with a special hole for adding ingredients during cooking]

And is this krups a dough mixer? Well, not a bread maker, for sure. Let us ask these questions ...
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=126.0

And here, this is what it has:
"DOUGH" function: a metal bowl for 2 kg of tough dough, special attachments, a lid with a special hole for adding ingredients during cooking.

Touch buttons to select a suitable speed.

Weighing function and timer with display.

AUTOMIX function: pre-programmed mixing mode for all types of bowls

Anyway, there is a section of bread machines. And this croup seems to be without a heating element?

krups is a harvester

So what are you doing here with cereals in the section on bread makers?

No, I won't give in to provocation in this thread anymore! You - with your opinion, I with - mine!

Ok, closed it.

So what are you doing here with cereals in the section about bread makers?

Here the emphasis is on exactly what the topic is about. The second hypostasis of HP is discussed - the dough mixer. And alternative options are offered.
The truth is very different ...

So what are you doing here with cereals in the section about bread makers?

How sho? We sit quietly, fix the primus ..., that is, we discuss the very necessary functions in KRUPS - in particular, its dough-mixing abilities. After all, this model is without a meat grinder and a juicer ... What, leave?

MariV, open a topic for groats in combines, I'll embed a video there

HERE OPENED

What, leave?

No, stay at least as a kneader.

Well, really, pipes! I almost decided to buy KRUPS for myself, to please myself, beloved! It's a pity to drive my HP as a kneader.

Can you give up these stoves? no one has such .. risk Choose from those that advise.

twin of your stove, written 450V

choose which thread is more powerful for a kilogram of dough.
which one is for 1.5 kg, probably 2 mixers .. a lot of prog dough:

Redmond stoves have recently appeared on the market. Apparently there were modifications and 640 volts. , but now on sale with a power of 450 watts. and you can buy it for only 2000 rubles. (with pennies ...) It also gives great results, only it takes more time to cook (for the baking process itself). Therefore, choose the program in which the baking process is at least 55 minutes, and preferably 1 hour. In the instructions for the oven there is a "very quick cooking" cut, in which the bread is supposedly cooked (full cycle) in just 58 minutes. And the baking itself lasts only 35 minutes. Unfortunately, in this mode, the bread remains under-baked (raw), because it lacks those 20-25 minutes. for baking (apparently the mode was calculated at 640 watts). The best of the fast cooking modes is mode 1 in the fast cooking option (not to be confused with very fast). Mode 1 - quick cooking lasts 2 hours 24 minutes. and gives great results. Much more depends on the recipe and the correct proportion (weight) of the components.

We've already bought and tested three Redmond's.
The results are good.
Actually the opinion is this: why KP in general all these tricky regimes?
She has two kneading modes and one baking mode with the ability to set any time within 1.5 hours.
We bake the bread as in the oven for about an hour with a temperature of 160 degrees. By the way, who knows what the temperature is in HP?

Then what the bread maker is automatic bakery. Designed to come, fall asleep, press the button and get the result. Different buns have different kneading times, number of boning and baking times and temperatures.

Girls .. Tell me, please .. I need an apparatus for kneading tight dough, yeast, for pizza, etc. .. Hands - not enough strength .. An ordinary food processor (I have two of them) quickly heats up and stalls .. Kitchen machine - well, very expensive .. I no longer need any other function, everything is available .. I already thought, maybe buy a bread maker for this purpose (please, don't throw your slippers at me)?
In short, I ask for advice .. Is there any not very expensive option for me?

who can throw slippers here?

Lara, perhaps the best option, is actually a bread maker. Find out how much flour you usually knead. For example, in Panasonic the dough of 500 g of flour is optimal. There are CPs that can bake bread up to 1500 g, but I don't know how much "ceiling" is there for flour?

well, I think a kilogram and a half ..
and which bread maker will knead the dough well? Oh, so I'm afraid I'm starting to use it for its intended purpose .. my diet cried .. I'll stop going through the door ..
and they will hardly buy me a kitchen machine ... rather, they will replace me with a cheaper option ..

and which bread maker will knead the dough well?

Any bread maker will perfectly knead dough for bread, pies for pizza. And not very steep dough on dumplings will knead. And a very cool dough and all other types of it, as well as help to beat the whites on the meringue and much more, depending on the availability of attachments, can only be the notorious kneader.

Oh, so I'm afraid I'm starting to use it for its intended purpose .. my diet cried .. I'll stop going through the door ..

Lara, I think if you adhere to the previous diet, it will not threaten. It's just that now you will eat healthy, homemade bread, and not bread from the store.

Lara, I think, if you stick to the previous diet, it will not threaten. It's just that now you will eat healthy, homemade bread, and not bread from the store.

yeah .. as I can imagine ... it means that I am so all .. on a diet ... and the spirit of bread soars around the apartment .. y-yes .. I'll have to expand the doorway ..

that's the whole horror .. what could be worse than the smell of homemade, freshly baked bread? I personally don't know ..

[Lara_]

Lara_
You are more likely to lose these "extra" kilograms, carried away by baking
A "cheaper" will not be able to fulfill the functions of an expensive

[Lara]

yeah .. as I can imagine ... it means that I am so ... on a diet ... and the spirit of bread is hovering around the apartment .. y-yes .. I'll have to expand the doorway ..

LaraMany people note that they eat significantly less homemade bread! And I never get tired of talking about it. I remember how I could gobble up half a loaf of store bread, but it won't work with homemade bread - it satisfies both real hunger and a simple appetite much better.

well, I think a kilogram and a half ..
which bread maker will knead the dough well? Oh, so I'm afraid I'm starting to use it for its intended purpose .. my diet cried .. I'll stop going through the door ..

kilogram-one and a half TEST or dough FROM a kilogram-one and a half FLOUR?

[Lara]

Lara,
kilogram-one and a half TEST or dough FROM a kilogram-one and a half FLOUR?

Usually, large CPs take 700 g of flour, about 1200 grams of dough are kneaded. it is possible and more, I made loaves weighing 980 g in LG for 680 g, dough on dumplings - without an egg - double the norm, but then you have to stand next to a spatula or just with your hands - it's dangerous! - to help the typewriter turn such a burden.

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kilogram-one and a half TEST or dough FROM kilogram-one and a half FLOUR?

test

I can't ... just the thought of the possibility of acquiring a bread machine makes my appetite brutal
How do you live with them ?!

How do you live with them ?!

How we live

[Lara_]

Lara_
You will not believe...
Better than without them!

[Lara_,]

buy a stove, you will understand how we live with this appetite. It's just that this appetite becomes reasonable.

At home, we began to consume bread one and a half or two times less. The husband, when they bought bread in the store, took half a loaf to work every day. When I began to bake in a bread maker - half a loaf every other day, or even two. At the same time, he completely refused store-bought bread.
I also asked my father - he eats less! And the liver began to hurt less! And heartburn has become very rare!

About HP. I don't know where you are Lara_, live. But now, for example, in Ukraine there are several models that are designed for bread up to 1.5 kg. I think this would be just right for you (some of the Kenwood models and several Mulinexes declare baking bread, and, therefore, kneading dough, up to 1.5 kg.
Up to 1.2 kg can now be found for quite reasonable money a lot of "non-brand" stoves.

[Lara_,]

About HP. I don't know where you are Lara_, live. But now, for example, in Ukraine there are several models that are designed for bread up to 1.5 kg. I think this would be just right for you (some of the Kenwood models and several Moulinex claim to bake bread, and, therefore, knead dough, up to 1.5 kg.
Up to 1.2 kg can now be found for quite reasonable money a lot of "non-brand" stoves.

I live in Russia, Togliatti ..

look for stoves with two stirrers

They often look like this and can cost up to $ 100


If branded, then Kenwood BM 900 or several mulinexes, but these times are one and a half, two, three or four more expensive

If in Russia, then as an example from inexpensive Supra:

Power 850 W
Baking size 1000/1250/1500 g
Non-stick inner coating
Programmable timer with LCD display with delayed start up to 13 hours
Touch control
11 auto-cooking modes
10 minutes memory reserve in case of power failure
Viewing window for monitoring the cooking process
Three crust colors
Beep signal for adding ingredients
Measuring cup and spoon

I understand correctly that the viewing window is more likely a minus, and high power is a plus?

I understand correctly that the viewing window is more likely a minus, and high power is a plus?

Wrong. Maximum power is used when baking bread .. so you can ignore the power, it is standard for everyone. There are windows in almost all bread makers, the exception is probably Panasonic.I don't see any minuses in it, only pluses - you can see everything! You need to look at the build quality and all that. It is advisable to see a few pictures of bread baked in this oven before buying .. in words, everyone can say only good things, so it's better to see the result yourself

I live in Russia, Togliatti ..

!. Thanks for "thanks.
2. It is not necessary to take the most expensive HP, they all work according to the same principle, but Moulinex is praised by Panasonic 255 and above. Although my cheap - 3600 bypassed LG suits me.
The dough is perfectly kneaded with a mixer, Zelmer or Bosch, but so that it can be installed with a trough (bowl) and on the bed.

I have a Zelmer Mixer 281.6, a bowl of 3 liters, 1.5 kg of dough turns normally

The observation window is not a minus. If necessary, you can cover with foil or unscrew the thermostat screw by a quarter of a turn, if you like a darker crust. And crunchy

If only for the test, then the window has no effect. For baking - in some models, the window allows heat to pass through (I was somehow treated to bread from one "branded" HP with a window ... so there the top of the head was frankly damp!). Therefore, some windows are covered with towels, foil, etc.

Power is peak power. And a guarantee that there will be enough power for baking.

In general ... (let them shower me with slippers for the love of their HP)

Do you often bake with so much dough? My Panas can knead dough from 600 g of flour (+360 ml of liquid + some butter), it turns out about 1 kg of dough. If I need to bake the pies twice, then I'd rather make the first portion of the dough, take care of the pies, and at this time the second portion will knead and come up.

Likewise. It seems to me that stoves with two stirrers are for large families, where there are many children and many adults, well, or you need to eat a lot of bread