Food processor

I have Boshik 4 series never encroached on meringues and meringues. Not given to him. He mixes proteins with sugar to a light mass, but never, as they say, to firm and stable peaks.
About three years ago, a colleague was presented with Boshik, so he, yes, and spades, and cream, and meringues. I don’t remember that Boshik’s episode, but it was painful. It seems like a devoulya sold a similar one at the Flea Market.
About Boman? ... He didn't go to me. Not my unit.

I had a Boshik 44 from the distant 90s. Now it works great for my son, and I bought myself 86. So, he perfectly and easily beat the proteins into meringues and meringues and to solid peaks ... And unlike my current Boshik, 1-2 proteins are a problem for him did not have. And the plastic bowl was wonderful.
I would advise you to go to the store and touch all the selected combines with your hands. It's easier in my opinion to find your own.

But for my needs, 500 W is still not enough for me. Now I would pay attention to more powerful devices.

[Dasha]

Bosch 4 series is different. There is just an initial power, almost like a mixer, and there are more 550-600 watts. I think I had 550 watts and beat both biscuits and cream perfectly. Rather, everything depends on the amount of the product. The denser the structure, the less product you need to put.
Actually, I'm surprised that I didn't whip up an old 4 at someone's. I just had a bosch mixer at one time, in my opinion 450 watts, and that beat to the peaks.
But the Bosch 5 series is more powerful than the 4th, although there, too, the power is different, and no one complains about it.
As far as I know, 500 watts should be enough for proteins and creams when loading the product off the eyeballs according to the size of the bowl. Rather, I repeat, the less power, the less it makes a heavy product.
But since Rituslya-Rita says that there are cases that he did not whip, then 4-ku of the minimum power can not be considered,
but from 600 watts even blenders can handle protein.
The larger the family, the larger the bowl - the higher the load, the more powerful the combine is needed. The higher the speed, the faster you can get the result, although this is not always justified in terms of quality))).


Dasha,

if you whip cream with biscuits, it is much more unpleasant that the Bosch has no normal mixer for choux pastry and classic shortbread.

And maybe a hundred years ago there were harvesters that could not cope with squirrels, but now I will be deeply surprised if Moulinex disappoints you in this matter.
As I already wrote, kneading a perfectly moist dough for cake is a problem that does not depend on the power, but more on the design, so the amount of this dough at a time will depend on the power and size of the bowl - that is, only the load. Not all harvesters will knead a decent kolobok, even in small quantities.
Likewise, wet dough loves to crawl on the hook.
Here, for example, I will give custard. Therefore, the structure of the agitator and hook determines the ease of use.
Very thick doughs require a lot of power and load limits.
Not all vegetable choppers are equal in terms of cutting quality and waste.

And all modern combines normally encroach on proteins-biscuits-cream, the only question will be in loading, for example, a viscous marshmallow.
It seems to me that if you only make confectionery, then Moulinex should not disappoint. There is only one caveat: product loading. Would a small amount of whisk work well? Where bowls exceed 4 liters, a certain minimum quantity may be required. Corollas are large and poorly capture small.
So is the quality of the corollas. Some are immediately considered by the manufacturer as a consumable and break easily.
Bosch does not have a normal stirrer, but the whisk is strong.

It's another matter if you later want to expand the functionality, but you will be disappointed in other issues. For me, the special value of Bosch is precisely as a dough mixer without complaints and a vegetable cutter - try to find this quality elsewhere.
Also quiet.
As for the pastry chef, your moulinex has a stirrer, which is why you like it more for this purpose at first glance))), provided that you do not need at least 3 large eggs to stick there at once and does not buzz like a locomotive.
It would be nice to buy so that you can check and change.
in the store, at least see how tightly the beaters fit into the bowl. They should not scrape along the bottom, but even if the gaps are large, they will not take a small amount of the product.

In professional for these purposes, the distances are regulated. The smaller the product, the closer to the bowl, so that the grip is stronger from below.

[barmamam]

with such an incorrectly selected mixing speed

everything is wrong here, starting with the choice of the device. It is optimal to knead such dough quickly with knives, and not torment with a hook of any configuration.

I have Boshik 4 series never encroached on meringues and meringues. Not given to him. He mixes proteins with sugar to a light mass, but never, as they say, to firm and stable peaks.

I can't even imagine how this can be. I like barmamam

I was 44 Boshik from the distant 90s. Now it works great for my son, and I bought myself 86. So, he perfectly and easily beat the proteins into meringues and meringues and until solid peaks

MUM4 whips everything perfectly: whites, meringues, meringues, and cream.

500 W is still not enough for my needs

To beat the whites, meringue and meringue is enough and much less power. Even, practically, any ordinary mixer with two wire double nozzles-loops for beating and with a stationary rotating bowl can handle both meringue-meringue proteins and dough (I had a GDR mixer AKA Unifix KKM 90, a bowl for 500 g of standard dough, 3 speeds, power 150 W; permissible operating cycle: 10 minutes running, 20 minutes cooling, an example of kneading more dough for bread in a large bowl with it is not stationary [it also kneads and quite steep dough - the mixer must be held by hand, and do not put on the rack] youtu.be/-CvPfWgCD4E; in fact, after I lost it, through no fault of the mixer, I had to buy something to replace it) - they are simply created for these tasks, not to mention HR7605 (which thinner - "skirt", which is thicker - with knives), but it has only 350 watts ...

MUM4 whips everything perfectly: proteins, meringues, meringues, and cream.

may be.
If I need to whip up the whites, I’ll go to Kenwood. My copy of Boshik is still rather weak.
But this is just my personal opinion!

[Bijou]

By the way, I won't argue here. Everything is relative. It would be interesting to ask those who used both Bosch and other techniques at the same time.
I have 5 now and I like everything. It seems better and no result is needed. For me, only dense marshmallows can become a stumbling block for low power, and all sorts of proteins with sugar syrup have never encountered problems.
However, I haven't tried kitschen or kenwood, for example.
I wonder, starting at what power does the whipping quality no longer change?
And also different forms of corollas, just so noticeably affect exactly the confectionery?




Bijou, Lena. What do you think? you tried different types of Bosch and now there is kenwood.



Rita, clarify all the same. He can't beat two large eggs with sugar 1: 2? Or is it skidding on more?
That is, even if the whipping time is lengthened and the load is reduced, the desired result is not achieved at maximum speed?

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, Helen, how can I explain something? ...
In Kenwood, it knocks down so that the spoon will stand, and Boshik beats it very, very well into a light mass.

If I need to beat the whites

if it's not more than 3 eggs, then I won't even take out the Bosch, but I'll use a less powerful and more compact Phillips ...

For me, only dense marshmallows can become a stumbling block for low power.

probably "yes", although ... for example, aka, apple marshmallow (proteins, sugar, apple puree from Antonovka), mousses and sambuca on semolina and gelatin, whipped easily and efficiently. Now, unfortunately, we do not do them ...

Oh girls ... so much advice from you ... And I'm still stronger in doubts ...

It seems to me that if you only make confectionery, then Moulinex should not disappoint. There is only one caveat: product loading. Would a small amount of whisk work well?

as the manufacturer writes there is a super whisk that even takes 1 protein! By the way, in the reviews, too, through one, there is a mention of the fact that it takes a small amount (though I don't know how real these reviews are, unpaid) and it looks like a small corolla there, and on top it is still large with rubberized rods. Interesting in general.

It would be nice to buy so that you can check and change.
at least take a look in the store

I would advise you to go to the store and touch all the selected combines with your hands

But with this problem, firstly I live on the periphery, Saratov is 70 km away from me, and secondly, all 4 models (mulinex qa5001b1, bosch54P00, Kenwood prospero 242 and bosch mum 4 (also without everything with a power of 600w) are not available, everything is on order. And thirdly, they are all in different stores))) it will not be possible to put next to each other and look / compare even visually

It seems to me that if you only make confectionery, then Moulinex should not disappoint.

your words yes to God in the ears))) not only confectionery, I also want real ham with white threads

I have 5 now and I like everything. It seems better and no result is needed.

Here is a naked Mum 5, too, at a price now interesting. I will repeat once again all sorts of blenders choppers shredders dough sheeters juicers ki meat grinder is already separately. There is no need for them. There is a need for a good planetary mixer. I understand that the Prospero is not even considered here. There remains a moulinex with a power of 900w with a normal K-mixer (without any special stages in the form of blenders) for 12000 and bosh mum 5 with the same power and also without anything, including without a K-mixer, but already at 8600 ... about godiiiiiiii
But it's already easier, there are 2 models left

I have 5 now and I like everything. It seems better and no result is needed. For me, only dense marshmallows can become a stumbling block.

all the same can not pull Yes?

Everything is relative. It would be interesting to ask those who used both Bosch and other techniques at the same time.

I used both kitchenade and BOSCH MaxoMixxMSM 881X2 at the same time, both did a great job ...

And tell me how many Bosch 5 can plow without rest? I read the entire instruction and did not find it anywhere. And Moulinex for 12 or 40 thousand is no more than 13 minutes. ... Well I think 13 minutes is okay. Quite a lot. If I don't beat eggs with an ordinary hand mixer for more than 10 minutes, then this one should cope faster

[speed]

Girls, I'm more about this. Beat in essence the protein for a biscuit, meringue, these peaks are a simple matter. But getting a very embossed custard protein is already much more difficult for planting flowers. Making a very dense marshmallow, but also terribly embossed, is also more difficult. Rather, you need a fairly high speed when knocking down a heavy sugar-protein mixture. The harvester needs this speed develop and not slip when properly loaded. Hence the power requirements.
In essence, a good whisk with complete entrainment of product and air at high speed should provide excellent results.
Rita made it clear that high relief cannot be obtained on her model. I do not argue. If the speed is not enough, there will be no relief.
I like the result on my 5-ke, but fig knows, maybe you can get even better.
But now I have a 5-speed one, too, 900W, and before I was not so skillful. Now I don’t remember how good a flower cream I used to get.
Girls, ah relief on complex protein creams have your units the same everywhere?

Now on time of work. Heavy dough must be turned over for a hundred years.
But in a pastry shop, marshmallows, creams, biscuits do not force the combine to plow at maximum power for a long time. They work for a long time only at low speed. Therefore, the time limit for the pastry chef does not seem to me a serious stumbling block.

For some reason, it still seems to me that Moulinex is normal for a pastry chef. Moreover, Moulinex is also not an embroidered brand. If fig kneading cake, then moulinex looks very dignified. A good stirrer is great.
And the owners of the Prospero and other equipment are not here in the conversation, therefore the analysis of the models is small. Planetary movement, the presence of different speeds with high, coupled with, modern mixers should roll perfectly for the confectioner.

I ordered karoch from Auchan mulyu. True with payment upon receipt. there will be time to think about buying or not. And the fact that they are fast they end there, only 3 hours ago it was 7, And now there are 2 left. Probably I'll go again and order bosh mum 5 while it is at 8600 and still have it, also with payment upon receipt. And I will duuuuumu think about whom to redeem: -

For some reason, it still seems to me that Moulinex is normal for a pastry chef. Moreover, Moulinex is also not an embroidered brand.

I hope so)) By the way, their meat grinder has been plowing since the heels of years, for sure, if not more, and she has seen so many things, from a tender chicken to an old wild boar. And the juicer is also niche so norms.

And the owners of Prospero and other equipment are not here in the conversation

And they have a branch on the Kenwoods with Prospero and there is no point in going: they will laugh))) they all have cookies there, the chiefs are major fancy at cost like a good nine)))



And I also opened an electrolux for 11 thousand a model 3400 of some kind ... but there is nothing about him anywhere, and only in one store he is sold with an allegedly frantic discount as much as half of the cost

5 900 W - a strong combine. If you make cream and biscuits, then it's normal. But for choux pastry and classic sands, the longing for a normal mixer will begin. For complete happiness for casseroles, you need to buy flexi at once - this is + 2 pieces.
But beautiful, thoughtful.
Mulka is probably also a sweetie. But, alas, you have to take the risk. There is no owner who would support.



electrolux? Yes, all these professional combine harvesters love large volumes, and if the corolla breaks down, a spare one costs like a regular combine.
It's dumb to buy here with the summer. We must learn everything.

And he has a branch on the Kenwoods with Prospero and it makes no sense to go: they will laugh)))

giggle, yeah.
My first Ken was ginger and simplest for a ridiculous price. If supported and not criticized, then it would have stopped. He was a cool kid.

buy flexi immediately

This is how I understand it. Alya k-mixer? Well, more precisely, does her role?

My first Ken was ginger and simplest for a ridiculous price.

Rita, it still costs 10,000, by the way, I also looked at it today, but the plastic bowl was confused and the fact that the description indicated that there was no protection even against overheating and loads

and if the corolla breaks, the spare one is like a regular combine.

Yes, yes .... about this, I just thought that a) how are things with ss in Saratov and spare parts and b) how with prices for repairs and spare parts, given that the brand policy is clearly not a mass market

Dasha, what about the plastic bowl? My Boshik has two bowls, which are both plastic and metal.
I don’t know ... I’m not a Ken advisor, but sometimes I wish I’d ​​stopped at the redhead. A good and budgetary guy was until those times for me, until I decided to whip butter with a whisk.

Dasha, what about the plastic bowl? My Boshik has two bowls, which are both plastic and metal.
I don’t know ... I’m not a Ken advisor, but sometimes I wish I’d ​​stopped at the redhead. A good and budgetary guy was until those times for me, until I decided to whip butter with a whisk.

I'm talking about Kenwood, he himself is white, and the high-speed twist on it is red and some other detail on the body is also red, his bowl is white plastic. I didn't even remember the model numbers. He scared me off with something .. Are we talking about the same thing? Oh, and it's also out of production.

He scared me off with something ..

if scared away, then we are talking about something else.
Let everything work out in your choice!

Bijou, Lena. What do you think? you tried different types of Bosch and now there is kenwood.

As?)) No, well, which one of me is an advisor in this matter? Bosch has only 48 with Ali. And I myself do nothing in it except the usual bread dough. My daughter in the same made marshmallows several times, she really liked it, but how correct and embossed it is there - God knows, I myself have never cooked any at all. And she beat up the meringue and dried it perfectly. I would also remember that relief ... eat and forget ... And cocktails with a blender every other day. And Parmesan with a grater ... In short, it works. Once I even forgot my own test for half an hour on a deuce. I returned - the dough was kneaded into snot, the combine is hot, but it still puffs.))

If there are better tips for Mula, I would risk voting for him. Make me choose between petty Ken and petty Bosch would choose the first one, although I don't have a tremulous adoration for him. But there is more functionality due to the larger number of attachments. Although he has not yet learned to knead bread.))

And yes, the plastic bowl always and everywhere rules. I take out the iron only if I throw in the hot mashed potatoes and whip. How can I not forget to measure the power consumption of both combines at a pastry dough tomorrow? ..

This is how I understand it. Alya k-mixer? Well, more precisely, does her role?

Yeah, it differs greatly in that the silicone tails practically touch the bowl. I had an idea to buy a second one and cut it, but for now the toad is strangling. Together with the delivery, it costs a pretty penny.



this electrolux can be taken for
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=494542.0

Who is looking for a planetary mixer, now the action for the Electrolux EKM 3400 mixer is 10990 rubles (in the set of attachments a jug-blender and a meat grinder). It can be bought for 2t. R. cheaper - you need to register and 2 tons will fall on their virtual card. r., that is, a mixer can be bought for 8990 rubles. IM Technopark.

and the model is beautiful. I would like to know why they dropped the price so much on it? and why there are no reviews, although this half share has been around for a long time. What has nobody bought?
The brand seems to be very cool, just like kitsch.
However, if it breaks down, then even a small repair will be like a premium class technique.
Probably mulka is more budgetary, even if this electrolux is very cool. After all, if you are not lucky, it will turn out to be tough to mess with it.
But good, this one definitely whips in the upper class. Until it breaks.

I would like to know why they dropped the price so much on it?

yeah, I'm also interested in what the catch is, I dare to assume that this can be a restored device, after a global repair (replacement of the engine, for example)

why there are no reviews

And this is also just alarming
In general, I decided not to choose anymore, but to wait for Multon from Auchan, read by November 10 they should deliver. even mum5 did not order. I firmly decided that I want that Mulya (I reviewed the video reviews, read the reviews,) in theory, this is a normal price now with a discount goes beyond a naked planetary gear without any shredders and blenders. (Because they are not needed. Ali 11.11 bosh mum 4 with 100,500 nozzles And where to put everything that is: girl-q: the current shed remains well, and under the bathroom is also empty) And the nozzles seem to be correct.
Must shove normally knead and beat the machine. In general, we wait, hope and believe since none of the bread-makers have responded, then I will be the first to tell you about the triumphant (and I already firmly believe in this) abilities of this machine.

[K-shaped whisk]

As I understand it, Alya k-mixer? Well, more precisely, does her role?

No

K-shaped whisk ● Designed for making cakes, biscuits, confectionery, powdered sugar, fillings, eclairs and mashed potatoes.
Flexible whisk ● Used for a wide variety of applications, including custard, egg beating and sauces. During the kneading process, it removes both hot and cold mixtures from the sides of the bowl. Also suitable for stirring stewed vegetables.
...
High-speed modes [for this model, with a power of 1500 W, there are 8 of them - min, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, max + 3 "special modes" - ①, ②, ③] for nozzle rims:
K-shaped whisk
● Greasy cream and powdered sugar - start at min ("minimum speed") and gradually work up to ‘max’
(maximum).
● Beat eggs until creamy 4 - 'max' ("maximum speed").
● Stirring flour, fruit, etc. min ("minimum speed") - 1
● For all-purpose cake dough, start at min ("minimum speed") and gradually work up to max ("maximum speed").
● Rubbing fat into flour min ("minimum speed") - 2.
Heat Resistant Flexible Beater
● Greasy cream and powdered sugar - start at min ("minimum speed") and gradually work up to 3.
● To remove hot and cold mixtures from the sides of the bowl, start at min ("minimum speed") and gradually increase to 3.
● Steamed vegetables, stirring ingredients for risotto and cornmeal porridge, etc., use ①.
...
① - Use this mode when you need a constant slow speed, such as stirring sauces.
...
Maximum loading rate
Shortcrust pastry ● Weight of flour: 910 g
Steep yeast dough ● Weight of flour: 1.5 kg ● Total weight: 2.4 kg
Light yeast dough ● Flour weight: 2.6 kg ● Total weight: 5 kg
Fruit cake mix ● Total weight: 4.55 kg
Egg white ● 16
Cooking mode ● 3 liters

and a general description from Kenwood of the intended use of nozzles of different designs, including:

K-SHAPE MIXING NOZZLE [=K-shaped whisk]
This proprietary attachment will help you get great results in delicious biscuits, succulent cakes, pastry and yeast doughs.
BALL-SHAPED WHEEL
The ball-shaped whisk is ideal for whipping foamy air mixtures. Can easily beat puffed meringue, butter, mayonnaise, buttercream, and Dutch sauce.
Dough kneading hook
This reliable attachment will help you prepare any kind of dough. It can be used to knead bread dough, pizza and even tough pasta and dumplings dough.
SOFT MIXTURE [=Flexible whisk]
The flexible design of this attachment mixes all ingredients flawlessly for delicious custard, chocolate ganache or Bechamel sauce.

Boshevskiy Beating whisk Profi-Flexi (Professional flexible beating whisk) is intended, similarly to "Flexible beating whisk" from Kenwood:
[quot = bosch-home-ru] 00659889 Silicone-coated batter whisk that mixes even a small amount of food efficiently.

[Marina]

Marina, all this is theory. And in practice, flexi has a frill made of flexible silicone and practically crawls along the walls of the bowl, providing the notorious function of grinding ingredients. A K-shaped, it is like a twig in a Bosch, that is, it has gaps at the wall and stupidly mixes without rubbing. It's just that at the twig Boshevskaya everything is hammered into these twigs. In fact, if you leave one thick twig + partitions = K-mixer
That is, of course, if Bosch made the K-shaped one right, it would be great. But if you cut flexi - then "almost" K - will work. There, touch it - a fairly rigid structure, and very flexible-soft only at the very silicone ends. If you cut them off, you get a not so flexible structure. Of course, the sliding will be worse due to the silicone rim and the thickening. I wondered if it was possible to remove the entire silicone, there is a metal skeleton, but I doubt if then the gap will not be too large at the walls of the bowl and there will be pieces of impurity. In short, you need to cut a little and look at the result. Another would be to lay a twig across, but I definitely won't be able to stick it anywhere there
In short, in theory I was almost ripe for such a decision. It remains to transfer 2 pieces to your experiment

there was still an idea to somehow modernize the twig.But it does not come to mind how to fasten these twigs together normally and how to lay a twig in the middle so that it turns out smoothly and not wide.

in practice, flexi

I - I know, I have it. But I don’t use it ... As I wrote earlier, I successfully manage with other devices ...

if bosch made the K-shaped just right

then he would have had to gild the pen of the Kenwood ...

will not then the gap be too large at the sides of the bowl

the gap will increase by the thickness of the cut silicone

remain pieces of impurity

aki for this included a plastic spatula - to clean the contents from the walls under the nozzles during whipping-kneading

[Dasha]

Dasha, I also do not use a Bosch blender and a meat grinder. The meat grinder is not impressive at all compared to my separate one, and the blender is duplicated in another separate unit and is not particularly remarkable at all. The vegetable cutter is now also duplicated; the Bosch vegetable cutter is very decent in terms of the quality of vegetable processing. Also only the place is taken up quite annoyingly.
If there are duplicate units, I fully support the decision not to arrange a storage room from the house.
I repeat, I’m just sure that you will not be disappointed in the confectionery functions of the mulka. Toys from the cartoon have never been out of the ordinary to me bad. All of them may not always be the best, but normal))))
But with a batch of bread dough, which you not necessary, I have yes, doubts. I think the mulka will not be very strong for dense dough, but you do not need it either. I suppose you will not notice her weaknesses because you will only use her strengths.

there was still an idea to somehow modernize the twig. But it does not come to mind how to fasten these twigs together normally and how to lay a twig in the middle so that it turns out smoothly and not wide

as an option, modernize the mount of the Kenwood K-nozzle for Bosch, but here you need high-quality laser welding of stainless steel ... and a donor nozzle for the Bosch mount ...

as an option, upgrade the mount of the Kenwood K-nozzle for Bosch

I disagree ... More precisely, not that at all, but it seems that Kenwood's is too massive and, due to the large number of thick partitions inside the working plane, will create high resistance to movement. The engine may not withstand such loads for a long time. Mm?

Kenwood is too massive and, due to the large number of thick partitions inside the working plane, will create high resistance to movement. The engine may not withstand such loads for a long time.

and this - the same must be taken into account ... at kenwood - 1500 watts ...

And the owners of Prospero and other equipment are not here in the conversation,

Well, I am the owner of Prospero, I have already written about its pros and cons twice, and I look into conversations, just not every day, but everything is about cookie ... chefs.



And I have Prospero the harvester, and the dishwasher is only Hansa. But of all my acquaintances, the only one I have is a dishwasher and a kitchen machine, and I often use a multicooker. Saratov is still a wilderness

Saratov is still a wilderness

hello fellow countrymen, if not difficult, chirp again about Prospero.

not in vain they said: the village of the wilderness of Saratov

and this - the same must be taken into account ... at kenwood - 1500 watts ...

Now I put the bread dough. Beginning kneading in Kenwood, Boshik mixes. I stepped, did not set the speed higher, but at the first Kenwood's wattmeter showed consumption .. around 70 watts.
Bosch in the first "gear" on the same test gave around 50, in the second - around 80.
Professional kneaders, which have a bowl for another bucket, usually have a 200-300 W motor.))

My washing machine consumes about the same (9 kg load) with a full tank of laundry.

with a full tank of linen

+ water ...
in general, wherever you look - everywhere "Chinese" watts ...

[Lena]

Lena, so it will be so without overloads, and you can drive the combine for eternity.Therefore, I am not particularly scared when they put 10 minutes of uninterrupted work there.
But if you give rye dough, then a completely different calico will be.
Protein with a bunch of sugar (or rather, even cooler on syrup) at the last moment and marshmallows of a certain structure = can also be very viscous, and taking into account the fact that this viscosity is also at the speed of sausages, then this is where the power will grow.

Therefore, the experiment must be set up a little differently, be sure with overload both in terms of viscosity and loading, I can’t do it. Then it will be possible to see the limit values ​​at least approximately.
because the result will still be approximate. Look here. The direct dependence of the whipping quality does not depend on the power, but on the whipping speed.
And the whipping speed requires different power from the motor, depending on its design and the geometry of the whisk and bowl. That is, for example, let's say 500 revolutions per second in 5 minutes will require 200 watts from a kenwood, and 170 watts from a Bosch - do you understand?

whipping speed

determines the number of units of time to achieve a certain degree of whipping of a certain amount of ingredients. With your hands, at a slower speed, but longer, you will beat everything perfectly, only you will get tired more than if you beat less ingredients to the same degree of beating.

[the same]

if it were so simple with proteins.
Look, protein foam can be very standing from large bubbles, or standing from small bubbles - this will affect the relief of the cream.
That is, our peaks with you can really be of different quality, which is observed in practice. The volume of injected air, as well as the size of the bubbles in stable foam, can be different. Resistant foam comes in several varieties.
The quality of the foam depends on the geometry of the beater, on the amount of energy applied, on the way this energy is applied
For a biscuit in fig, but for the relief of the protein cream is no longer there.
Therefore, the conversation about the ideal merengue is still relevant and to achieve the same result only by lengthening the beating is not always possible. True, this subtlety becomes precisely important for embossed proteinaceous. In other cases, this error can be omitted.

However, this difference is especially noticeable when kneading bread dough. To get a perfect bun by only changing one speed of the fig is obtained. It is also important how to knead. With protein foam, this is less visually noticeable, because stability is observed there in any case. But qualitatively, the foam is different for us, depending on the method of whipping.



the only thing, as I understand it, is that all modern units have sufficient power and speed, geometry for optimal results. The difference will be very minor today.
Perhaps that is why, if you choose a modern mulka or an old Bosch 4, I stand for the mulka. Still, today all manufacturers are trying to be equal to the flanks and the technique is improving qualitatively in terms of functionality. Well, there you can be afraid about the quality of components, but the functionality is getting better and better. I am in favor of a more modern version.

More precisely, not that at all, but it seems that the Kenwood one is too massive and, due to the large number of thick partitions inside the working plane, will create high resistance to movement. The engine may not withstand such loads for a long time. Mm?

well, there is to cut flexi, glue the twigs in the original - it's safe. But already fundamentally change the geometry, the weight will be scary to me. I don’t know what limit loads the motor can withstand. And the geometry of the Bosch bowl has its own, perhaps you will suffer for a lot, and the efficiency will be zero. They made flexi look completely different from other mixers. Perhaps another form will be worse.
FIG knows. I don’t know how it is better. Therefore, so only if you dance around the manufacturer's decisions a little bit
I feel sorry for two. Here's how to turn a good expensive flexi into trash.And what if it gets even more expensive and ruins the combine? I'm scared.

strong foam - always, small air bubbles and a slightly longer whipping, but do not interrupt, so that it does not settle. And the gradual introduction of ingredients. Classic meringue by hand: add sugar to whipped whites literally one tablespoon at a time, waiting for the previous one to dissolve ...

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001Prospero is a planetary mixer with 9 attachments, complete set - model 287 gray. Other attachments will not work. Small bowl (4.6 l). Whisk, stirrer and dough hook, flexi and souffleik not. Beats and kneads well. I like the meat grinder, 2 grates, there are no sausage attachments, but I think you can pick it up at the bazaar. Actually a harvester, aka a food processor - 3 graters, 2 shredders, a knife, I often use it. Mini grinder - coffee grinder, for nuts, dry herbs and sauces. A glass blender, a knife like in a coffee grinder - grinds either completely dry or liquid. The citrus press squeezes well, but I don't like the juicer - it's difficult to collect, the cake is wet, pieces slip through. Plastic spatula, very comfortable. Overheated a couple of times, turned off, after cooling it worked again.

flexi and souffleiki no.

There are definitely no souffleiki, but if Prospero has the same nest as Multivan, then flexi is. In principle, the Multivan is the development of Prospero, and the pins are similar in appearance, but it is better to clarify in the service.

Flexi for Multi-One machines
Unfortunately, the code and / or article could not be found. Everywhere there are only verbal names. Whether this attachment fits the Prospero machine or only the Multi-One is an open question.

1. Kenwood KHH326WH Creaming Beater

check in the service

in the service may not know

[OgneLo]

OgneLo, then this is not a service, but a sharashkin office, if they do not know the answer to the question: are the planetary nozzles - whisk / hook / k-shaped - interchangeable with Prospero and Multivan. If they are interchangeable, then it means the same socket, and flexi fits.

[absolutely not.]

You need to take any whisk from the Prospero and go to the store where there is Multivan and try it on. And then you can find out everything yourself without service, if it fits, then the nests are the same.



There are a lot of questions in the pastry for me.

For example, I have repeatedly encountered a situation when I whipped a bz-cream, which looks beautiful, dense, standing-persistent, the peaks are good, and the flowers are deposited with medium scabby, with thick edges, especially complex ones
For me personally, getting meringue-meringue as a separate cake is not a problem in any technique, but the perfect relief cream is already more difficult. Moreover, even with the already proven method, there are failures.
Therefore, when Rita wrote that her model does not give relief for at least a day, beat it, I completely believe her. Rita is not yesterday engaged in confectionery and obviously mixes everything right there, the problem is not in her skill, but in technique.
The only thing, I do not quite associate it with the power of the model. Other models of the same and lower power (even just mixers) often give excellent results.
Unfortunately, I am not a technologist to fully understand whipping problems. Why such a result can be observed is a mystery to me, the power of the combine should theoretically allow normal quality.
But I find it right then to avoid very old models, since new such complaints absolutely not.

This I am so busy, because the topic is serious about choosing a combine and I would not want to advise someone so that later a person would regret it. Still, there can be pitfalls if a person wants to get a certain functionality in an ideal form.

For example, I can't dismiss it and write that you just buy 4-bosch with a bunch of attachments and you will succeed, because everything worked out for me on it. I admit the thought that a person can be punctured, since someone has already become disappointed in practice and it was not single happening.
That maybe my result differs from the result on the same kitchen, but I just don't know.
If a person is picky, then he should still take a more serious approach to the issue of choice.In fact, it's really really serious to select inexpensive equipment, but with excellent indicators in terms of the quality of the product obtained.

then this is not a service, but a sharashkin office

a priori, the service knows only what is written in the specification.

In fact, the company is not interested in backward compatibility and may simply not indicate that "Accessory D" intended for "Product L" can be installed on "Product K" belonging to the previous generation, although on "Accessories A, B and C" previously released, it will be written that they are intended for both devices.

and you have never encountered a situation

since then, as in perestroika times, I faced the problem "it is impossible to cook sugar into a candy" (apparently, at the factory, anti-caking additives were put into granulated sugar, but in those days the consumer did not know about these additives and did not write about them on the packaging): you turn on the gas, pour granulated sugar into the pan and pour some water, put the pan on the fire, the sugar dissolves, the syrup begins to thicken, turn white from the bubbles rising from the bottom of the pan ... the water gradually evaporates and ... white sugar crystals that do not stick together remain in the pan ... And so, for a couple of hours, I tried unsuccessfully to do what almost every child could do and which I myself have successfully done many times. A friend urgently needed any caramel, and there were only non-caramel candies nearby. So I had to get rid of it.

the quality of the products has not improved ... And the more components can affect the final result, the more difficult it is to identify the cause ... Often and not at all obvious ...

the problem is not in her skill, but in technique

even if we assume that someone, including me, is not able to do something and / or does not know, then know-it-alls and all-witches ended a long time ago ... And there is nothing special in this, we are here for that and got together to share and exchange their experiences, learn something, learn something ...

whipped bz-cream, seemingly beautiful, dense, standing-persistent, peaks are good, and flowers are deposited with medium scab, with thick edges, especially complex

perhaps, on the contrary, it was necessary to stop whipping a little earlier, without bringing it to excessive density ...
On the example of the dough: if your hands are strong and you know how to knead (a powerful enough kneader), but you rarely work with the dough and "pour it by eye", then, if you carelessly, it is quite easy to pour flour into the dough and, nevertheless, knead it evenly - a bun something will turn out elastic ... but the product baked from it ... It is important to stop in time ...

This I am so busy, because the topic is serious about choosing a combine and I would not like to advise someone so that later a person will regret it. Still, there can be pitfalls if a person wants to get a certain functionality in an ideal form.

Yes, it is very important

[Marina]

Marina,

the problem is obvious: there are two combines, you put them in the same way, but you get different results.
Anyway, the harvester is to blame? It's another matter why exactly he is to blame. Maybe the management got lost there? But I looked at YouTube, read the reviews and found many similar cases for the 4th model. Nobody writes such a thing about the 5th, for example, even the most crooked ones cope.
And if we take the fact that 4 generally runs from 500 to 700 watts in my opinion, then it is not surprising that the results may differ.
Who knows, maybe the one that is 500 falls short of the declared ones. Maybe you can curb it there, somehow adjust. Well, why, if you took a 5-ku and your head won't hurt. Or if 4, then the strongest, just in case.

a priori, the service knows only what is written in the specification

It's too boring
However, it is possible when it will be so. When robots start working in service centers.

Well, who in the service needs to study compatibility? they don't even think about it. When I was picking up common discs for a phillipka minicombine, they almost spun me at my temple. Nothing..I compared the stocks in the internet from the pictures, took the disks and dragged around the shops, checked the compatibility in practice
The same garbage was in bosha when I was looking for additional discs for the malipuska blender-boshik. I supplemented them with discs from another combine, and they assured me that it was impossible for anything.
The technicians, the girls from the cole centers, do not think about compatibility and do not go to consult with the masters.
And there is no way to say, like just go by the forest, they say - it does not fit)))
I have such experience.

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, I have two kitchen experiences. gadgets, and both positive. With Bosch, when I was looking for a disk, and then with Kenwood, when the call center connected to the service, and they answered all my even the most stupid questions there. Both services were Moscow-based and were the official mono-service of their own brand only.

Well, when the experience is positive - which is very pleasant, and, probably, with the summer you can understand how much they are interested in you))), then there is nothing to discuss. But if you feel that they do not want to delve into, then you should not completely believe. It makes sense to check yourself
Or, perhaps, it may require communication with the central office and the foreman - all roads lead to Rome, that is, to Moscow specialists

It's too boring

this is the experience of communicating with official service centers in Moscow. All the accessories I needed, including those supplied "on order" for Bosch and Phillips, I ordered from the official service center in St. Petersburg.

I have this experience

sistra!

4 generally runs from 500 to 700 watts

nothing walks there, just the models are different, including:
[MUM4406] Universal food processor BOSCH ProfiMixx 44 - 500 [bosch-
[MUM4655] Universal food processor BOSCH ProfiMixx 46 - at mnu, this particular model - 550 [bosch-
[MUM4756] Universal food processor BOSCH ProfiMixx 47 "electronic" - 600 [bosch-
[MUM4855] Universal food processor BOSCH MUM 4855 - 600 [bosch-
[MUM4856] Universal food processor BOSCH MUM4856 - 600 [bosch-
and their characteristics are also different, including the maximum amount of dough to be kneaded! The 485x has 2.0kg, which is less than the ProfiMixx

read reviews

reviews also need to be read thoughtfully and separate the problem of "gasket" from the problems of "device" and "raw material". In most cases, in fact, the problem is in the first component.

Both services were Moscow-based and were the official mono-service of only their own brand