Panasonic SD-253 or LG HB-205 CJ

[RybkA]

RybkA,
Special - they write where there is "a lot" of fat and sugar (2 tbsp. L.),
and foods that fried quickly - eggs, cheese ...

Russian and Basic - as you wrote.

I still hope that they differ, at least in temperature,
otherwise it's a complete divorce.

I baked bread according to the same recipe using different programs.
I didn't notice the difference.
For the purity of the experiment, it would be necessary to persistently bake the same one,
under the same conditions, etc.
But I refuse to eat the same bread every day, why then HP?

Despite all of the above, I love my LG!

[And the most important question is the Panasonic SD-253 you can't buy in the online store by mail?]

Good day. The situation is as follows. A friend has a Panasonic SD-254 oven, I have an LG HB 201. I decided to sell it because in the store I buy expensive bread and bread in bread makers very far from him - no matter how you praise them here. But that's not the point. I decided to sell mine - a friend of Cheto decided to do it for me because his acquaintances asked, and took it for a while. I decided to bake bread in it at home. He poured this into his flour as he pours it into 2 ovens at the same time. He pours out as he says everything by sight - but bakes it, mine flatly refused. Initially, my ski bakes with only one expensive yeast - Panasonic bakes it with any. In general, he tried again a second time in my bake - again the dough did not fit. He bakes it as if nothing had happened on any yeast and small deviations in proportions do not affect anything as I understand it.
He brought it back to me - he didn't even sell it.

So I was on fire to buy myself a Panasonic 254 now like his. Having climbed the Internet, I also found 253 Panasonic in which a rectangular loaf is like a normal human bread and not like some kind of pasta. So I wanted to ask - why is the Panasonic SD-253 cheaper, in terms of functions it is even better than the 254? And the most important question is the Panasonic SD-253 you can't buy in the online store by mail? Damn, well, they don't sell them in our store - either they don't release them, or I don’t know what. But it is useless to negotiate with them in stores, 254 were recently brought in - they were not there for half a year, when asked why not and whether the sellers could get it, they bluntly said that the plant was closed and they were not released
Sell ​​someone, but please - why do you have them here, everyone has 10 pieces each, maybe someone has extra

[Thomas]

Thomas pliz go to the Panasonic website and see what HPs are currently being produced, the 253 model has long been discontinued. In its place is SD-255 mod.
And in homemade bread, it's not the form that matters, but the content.

Any Panasonic will bake in the same way, but 253 models are gone for a long time. Take 255 if possible.

The 253 model has long been discontinued.

Convinced.
Today I asked a friend to make me bread, recently I brought it and I am simply amazed at how different it is. Moreover, a friend lays down only 1 teaspoon of yeast on a large loaf - he says he tried less, but less yeast bread is no longer obtained on which bread does not turn out on my ski at all. In general, I buy nothing more than LG, after a bread machine and a sotik K800 for 15 pieces, when they just appeared on which the alarm sound cannot even be changed except for the factory one, although I took it already as discounted.
Tomorrow I'll buy myself a Panasonic 254 - I can take 255, but I can't understand what the difference is - except how the raisins fall asleep, but I don't need to pour raisins And what are the other advantages of 255? At 254 I liked the shape of the bread too - everything is not square like on a ski, I am also silent about the quality of the bread. I'll try to hand it over under the guarantee - it also clicks like here with all types of clicks of the scribe and does not bake, as I understand it, and the dough in it does not really fit, though the guarantee is already running out, but there are still a couple of months left.

[Thomas]

Thomas
Good evening, I looked at my instructions (it is the same for both models), the differences are as follows:

in 255 there is a rye bread program, there is a shovel for rye bread, in 254 there is neither one nor the other;
255 has a dispenser for automatic addition of raisins, nuts, cereals, 254 - manual addition by whistle;
raisin baking timer can only be used in 255.
Look like that's it.

Bought 255th, 254 dismantled, 5% discount for the new year. As a sewing machine mechanic, I can only note after comparison that LG is a leaky sieve that apparently does not heat up properly, there are slots in the corners in the oven and for some reason with ventilation, in short, it will never bake properly - if only on expensive yeast and then the bread will be definitely not the same. But this is just my opinion - in one word, a complete unfinished derebas. I’m taking back my words that bread on bread makers is far from a good store, but how could I know that there’s no difference between the bread machine and the bread machine. LG passed under warranty because it doesn’t bake and clicks like a TV lineman - I don’t know what they can do with it.

[Thomas]

Thomas, but my LG works quietly and bakes fine ... Strange, right? And my friends have a mule with bells and whistles, and bakes shitty .. and again strange ... Catch the thought?

Thomas, and my LG works quietly and bakes fine ...

My wife baked me on it for half a year and tried to convince me that this is normal bread. After Panasonic, it's not bread - it's a parody. I showed in the store how many slots there were in it - they showed me another and there they were too - so they said that it should be so. Yes, there should not be so many gaps in the joints of the oven sheets. And what bakes - anything is possible, but I would advise you to bake bread with friends in Panasonic and compare.

Strange, isn't it?

Yes, I didn’t say that she doesn’t bake at all - but this is not bread.

And my friends have a mule with bells and whistles, and bakes shitty .. and again strange ... Catch the thought?

No And what is there to catch, I read about the mules, the problem is the same - to twist the thermo bolt, but the bread from this will not be much better. And the fact that you bake with sophistication, I suppose, somehow I have no doubt about it - Panasonic bakes if you pour everything into it, by the way, I stopped the first loaf and poured flour instead of 600 grams 1100 grams - based on the measure on the flour ladle, a pancake was lying around here at home. And the most interesting thing it turned out - pour exactly 2 times more flour into your oven, I will see what happens

And my LG works quietly, cannot be compared with Panasonic, which rumbles quite hard, and it bakes well. To be sophisticated - there is no time, so no dancing with a tambourine around. If all food and yeast are normal, everything works out well.
The only thing that I don't like about LG is the pale top of the bread (a stove with a window), and it's lazy to smear with something.

... I poured flour instead of 600 grams 1100 grams ... And the most interesting thing it turned out - pour exactly 2 times more flour into your oven, I'll see what happens

Yeah, Panasonic himself ran and refilled some water

Yes, after this phrase, a doubt arose at all, did you bake dear Thomas in general in this stove? Twice the flour increase and everything is kneaded without adding liquid? Sorry, I don’t believe it.
I have had LV for six months already. Works quietly, bakes great, kneads even better. I do not have Panasonic, but I ate bread from it at my friends' house, sorry, I did not feel a fundamental difference. I only had one problem - the ingredients. Last time I bought flour - the bread began to rise badly. I changed it - again a great bread. And it's easiest to blame the stove. By the way, don't mistake it for advertising, but I have half of the equipment in the LV house and I'm not complaining yet. The microwave has already been plowed for five years and the washing machine has been plowed for 4 years.

[anything at all]

Yeah, Panasonic himself ran and refilled some water

Yes, no, my wife topped up the bun, I just looked, I forgot, but it was 1.5 tablespoons of yeast and a spoonful of sugar. LG would be lost with such a recipe.

If all the food and yeast are normal, everything works out well.

Yeah, I got sick of running around looking for golden yeast for the price of a loaf of bread

The only thing I don't like about LG is the pale top of the bread (oven with a window)

I don't know what the window has to do with it - she gives it up with a covered window and under a blanket, we've tried it 100 times, and the sides of the bread are thick and rubbery.

Twice the flour increase and everything is kneaded without adding liquid? Winking Sorry, I don’t believe it.

I didn't have time to answer you wrote - but I answered already. Let's do this - you pour 2 times more flour into your stove and how much water you want, but there is no sugar and yeast - and if it bakes anything at all, then I will print this page on the printer and eat it

Stop the squabble. It's Christmas today, and you're swearing ... it's not good for bakers to behave like that. We baked pies, ate and make up.

[anything at all]

Yes, we do not swear. In no case Everyone's opinion is worthy of respect. All with the coming holidays, no matter what calendar someone adheres to. Again for power the stove is a shame.

I didn't have time to answer you wrote - but I answered already. Let's do this - you pour 2 times more flour into your stove and how much water you want, but there is no sugar and yeast - and if it bakes anything at all, then I will print this page on the printer and eat it

I did not write about the absence of yeast, but the quality of flour (as well as yeast) affects the bread, any baker will tell you this. By the way, about the high cost of yeast. All this time I have been using the most budgetary "Lviv" ones. And everything is OK. I will not pour a double portion of flour into my stove - I love it. Yes, and things are tastier than paper, and I think there will be in my house and in your house. Perhaps you came across a defective machine, this also happens. Do not be offended if anything Delicious bread for you and good mood Happy New Year!

I use budget Lviv yeast, and buy the saf-moment, but less and less often, because the result is equally good. We have very good flour - Dnipromlin. It has a high gluten content, tested in practice ...
I always grease the top of the bread with an egg. There are a lot of photos of my loaves on the forum, but I wouldn't show a bad one ...

Choose a proven recipe for delicious bread, adhere to the dosage and proportions of this recipe, naturally high-quality products - that's all dancing with tambourines.
I don't buy store-bought bread at all, and the expensive super one too ...

Do not be offended if that

Yes, I was not going to. Well, my stove is not defective, well, do not get me wrong, if the top of the head does not bake or does not rise, which I had, then this is a completely disrupted process, and not just the crust is not baked. Panasonic has a thin crust and upper and lateral and crispy, and LV - like bread and not bread. Yes, and you can see with the naked eye that this is a leaky sieve and not a stove - there is one ventilation everywhere. Well, okay forgot - I wanted to ask that? Here is a Panasonic 255 in a lid dispenser. I'm most worried about whether there will be heat leakage and non-frying crust through it? After all, the LV has only glass and everyone complains that the crust is not fried because of it. And here I don't seem to need a dispenser, but frying the crown is more worried about. Although you can also say bakes yes, okay. It's just that while on a temporary guarantee for 2 weeks - I can take it back, as I understand it, take something else. In general, the question is - does the dispenser affect the frying of the top of the bread, in comparison with 254 in which there is a specifically insulated lid?

[Thomas]

Thomas I suggest you move here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=64.0
in a nutshell, heat does not escape through the dispenser if it is closed

And my LG works quietly, cannot be compared with Panasonic, which rumbles quite hard, and it bakes well.

I can’t walk past ... I didn’t hear how the LV works, but the word “rumbles” to Panasonic does not apply at all, believe me;) I used to have Delonga 125, so I thought she was quiet ... ha-ha. ..
Panasonic is just whispering, I still can't really notice when the boning is going on.

The dipenser does not affect the color and density of the crust in any way. The crust is excellent, crunches too!

[pasta]

I can say the following about the lg-205 and the Panasonic-255
both work quietly
thick aluminum buckets - very similar in quality - different shapes
but
Panasonic has a more powerful motor
at the ski - very big window,
and therefore the baked goods are usually on top (if not peeking out of the bucket) - pale
LV - requires a warm place in winter, Panasonic is not so gentle
Crusts - if you try, both LG-205 and Panasonic get thin
Again, we are talking about 205 models of lies,
I really liked her, the bread turned out pasta structures,
such buns ...
P.S. But an engineering mistake - ventilation holes - under the hinge of the lid, so the smell of paint did not pass. I waited 3 weeks and changed it through ss, maybe it was a marriage
But mine and after 2 years sometimes remember this crumb from the ski,
in Panasonic, my sweet doesn't work that way - the crust burns
and crumb without sourdough. just by leaps and bounds - not so openwork

the ski has a very large window,

When this window is closed, nothing changes - it means that it is not in it - but in what? The smell of bread when baking is for the whole house in Panasonic, there is no such thing, the conclusion is unambiguous - why only one LV company knows so much ventilation.

LV - requires a warm place in winter,

And what is someone baking on the balcony? Why do I pay money for the stove and at the same time have to worry about the company's jambs? Am I buying a stove to bake, or should I do more non-fiction by buying this leaky designer with windows and ventilation?

2 years sometimes remember this crumb from the ski,
in Panasonic I can't get sweets like that

Yes, I was also tired of eating borsch with sweet bread, it seemed to me that the dough cannot ferment in this oven and therefore the bread is always sweetish, therefore, and if this is so, then this is no longer bread, no matter how you calm yourself down.

You know, if the bread was higher than the bucket, it was not pale on top, ruddy

The fact is that a few years ago we had a very frosty winter, and I had old windows in my kitchen ...
And I don’t worry, that’s what I didn’t do, I didn’t bake it according to recipes from
books for bread makers, I select and calculate the recipe I need
It was about really sweet (butter) bread, sweet according to my desire.
And Panasonic, about sweets, is not in shock, alas ...
And you didn’t have 205 lies, but I was talking about it, at that time, here in Odessa, a false 205 cost $ 4 cheaper than Panasonic, it seems to me almost deserved. Where are those prices .....

Although old messages, I can not pass by. Very much too !!! I wanted Panasonic, but it was not on sale (although the city is big ...), I had to take LG. The bread turned out the first time (I could not look at the bun at that time) and it still works. From the moment of purchase, not a single joint! herself in shock. Kneads excellent, bakes excellent. My husband's grandmother did not approve of the purchase of hp, and when she came to visit and tasted the bread from hp, she asked: "why did you buy bread, did you have hp?" A normal car, and the taste of bread depends little on HP, bake it with love and desire to bake it in the oven, and in HP lG, and in Panasonic and in any other HP, you will get delicious bread, Thanks to Admin, who taught me how to look after the bun! And try the bread when you don’t know in what hp it is baked, and I assure you, you will not notice the difference.

I subscribe to the opinion of Thomas. LG does not raise or bake nifiga. There was Binaton before, bread was much better. I have already changed flour and yeast. Complete disappointment.
I wonder if it can be surrendered or exchanged? Two weeks have not yet passed.