Anna1957
Quote: Lucha

Anna 1957, and Brown, prof. center looked? I have the same as dopleta, very happy. There, the irrigator has a special bubble technology, there is also a regular jet of water under pressure. It flushes everything out of pockets very well, and if crowns or implants, it is generally irreplaceable.

Can you reproduce the exact model name? With all the numbers, so as not to be mistaken? I just meant it.
marinastom
Quote: Sens

everything will wear out, nothing is eternal.
but there is a very big difference between natural and artificial bristles! the physical, mechanical and chemical properties of these materials are very different.
artificial bristles are more durable and more hygienic. ultrasound destroys even molecules! the more it will cleanse the microflora, the cat. is essentially organic material.
I'll tell you how: I myself only use a regular brush. I don’t save money, of course (I love the same Oral B, for some reason). It is clear that the handles work in all directions with different efforts, and the movements of the electric brush are always the same (albeit different - circular, reciprocating). I change the brush after 1.5-2 months, because the bristles break and bend. I do not think that this does not happen in the electric brush. dopleta, have you had this unit for a long time? What can you say about the brush attachments, how long do they last?
About ultrasonic washing. We use it in the office without fail. So, it washes the SURFACES well. But what is "stuck" - not in life! For example, a notch on the cheeks of tweezers, if they were not washed before washing (sorry for the tautology), then everything will remain there.
I repeat once again, this is my opinion.
dopleta
Quote: marinastom

I change the brush after 1.5-2 months, because the bristles break and bend. I do not think that this does not happen in the electric brush. dopleta, have you had this unit for a long time?
A long time ago. This one is 5 years old, and before it there was also a Brown complex for several years, but simpler, without an irrigator. The bristles do not break, do not bend, and if I didn’t know the sanitary standards, I would not have changed the brush attachments so often.
Lucha
Quote: Anna1957

Can you reproduce the exact model name? With all the numbers, so as not to be mistaken? I just meant it.
Oral-B ProfessionalCare8500 DXL OxyJet Center.
Anh, I looked at CU, 3000 Practically no different, well, maybe with attachments that are easy to buy in the same place.
Ksusha
Quote: sweetka

girls from Ukraine! I'm already beeping to change the brush attachments on my Brown, but I bought it - I don't remember at point-blank range. throw a link to a good tyrnet store. where do you even get them?
Take a look at the aukro. I took the last time there, it turned out much cheaper than in the store
Sens
Quote: marinastom

I change the brush after 1.5-2 months, because the bristles break and bend. I do not think that this does not happen in the electric brush. dopleta, have you had this unit for a long time? What can you say about the brush attachments, how long do they last?
marinastomI have been using an ultrasonic toothbrush for the past five years. so their bristles do not wear out mechanically in comparison even with the e-mail rack. a brown brush that I had before ultrasonic.
About ultrasonic washing. We use it in the office without fail. So, it washes the SURFACES well. But what is "stuck" - not in life! For example, a notch on the cheeks of tweezers, if they were not washed before washing (sorry for the tautology), then everything will remain there.
the fact is that ultrasound acts at the molecular level, and it is incorrect to expect from it a cleansing effect like a sponge and a brush!
For this reason, stom. the instrument should be placed in an ultrasound bath after initial treatment with a cleaning solution and a brush (for a notched instrument, a special brush with metal bristles is used), after which all visible "stuck" should be removed.
However, you yourself know this, no doubt.
Rita
Quote: Sens

marinastomI have been using an ultrasonic toothbrush for the past five years.
And someone promised to tell about this brush for a long time, but he is still silent.
Sens
I then used the Ultrasonex brush, and its battery was already deteriorating. they are no longer produced, so there was no point in telling them.
now I have Megasonex
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interestingly told here.
www. Ultrasonic toothbrush. рф / Ultrasonic_toothbrush_Megasonex
and what to tell then?
Rita
Like what? What's the catch? I mean, why is it better than usual and what does it feel after cleaning? In general, explain all the information as a dentist!
marinastom
Sonic or ultrasonic instruments generate appropriate vibrations to aid mechanical cleaning. And its result is improving. It is especially recommended for problematic gums, as well as in the presence of fixed structures in the oral cavity - prostheses, implants, braces. Somehow like this.
You, colleagues and friends, have puzzled me very much. I lived to almost fifty dollars, not thinking about how to brush my teeth. Of course, I tell and advise my patients. And myself ... Of course, I am still that "barefoot shoemaker", that is, there are enough problems in the mouth. But all of them have been acquired for a long time and have nothing to do with poor hygiene. And now I think that I should also buy this unit? And even in front of you it is somehow uncomfortable: you say, here, he advises, but she herself does not use it.
dopleta
And I, following the link Sens, I sharply wanted to change the center to an ultrasonic brush! Thanks for the info, Sens, I thought that I had an excellent machine, but it turns out that there are more advanced ones for a long time! Doesn't the irrigator come with it? Not needed in this case? I'm already so used to it ...
Sens
Quote: dopleta

... I have a great car, but it turns out that there are more advanced ones for a long time! Doesn't the irrigator come with it? Not needed in this case? I'm already so used to it ...
email the brushes are really great now, they also vibrate if I'm not mistaken?
but ultrasound has one undeniable advantage - it penetrates into the periodontal pocket and destroys bacteria.
of course, not deeply and not strongly, but I hope that this is also an effective prevention of periodontal disease.

The ultrasound brush appeared after the electric one, and the first impression was ... do you know how the dishes from the PM squeak under your finger? that was the feeling

Pitfalls when using electro and ultrasound brushes.

In order to thoroughly clean your teeth with their help, you need to know how to properly clean your teeth with a regular toothbrush.
Although it was written in the instructions for the first ultrasound brush, simply "attach to the surface of the tooth and hold it" - not ... this is a big exaggeration.
It is necessary to brush with the same movements as with a regular brush. For example, the side surfaces can only be cleaned by sweeping the brush from the gum to the chewing surface.
There is a classic example, place cotton wool between the teeth of the comb. sweep the cotton wool across the teeth - the cotton wool remained in place, even became denser. now move the brush from the base of the teeth to the top - the cotton wool began to be cleaned. like this, and between the teeth can be cleaned only with sweeping movements. with other movements, the bristles simply do not reach these areas of the tooth.
dopletaif you are going to buy, look abroad. I think I saw a Panasonic ultrasound brush there, and it seemed to me better than Megasonex.
Quote: marinastom
... And now I think that I should also buy this unit?
of course, buy it! just for fun! if you don’t get used to it, there will be a demo sample in the office. Patients love it
Now I can not use a non-ultrasound brush. When the battery of the first died, I urgently bought a second - Megasonex, although I remember that I liked Panasonic more, but I could not wait a month!
dopleta
Quote: Sens

email the brushes are really great now, they also vibrate if I'm not mistaken?

dopletaif you are going to buy, look abroad. I think I saw a Panasonic ultrasound brush there, and it seemed to me better than Megasonex.

Yes, electric with vibration. Already looked at the ultrasonic bay. Yes, there is a choice! What a pity, I just placed an order for a grill there, I could save on delivery ...

Sens
I watched Panasonic ....
or was Phillips ...
I don't understand anything ...

Pitfalls when using the irrigator.

First of all, the direction of the jet. Under no circumstances should the jet be directed under the gum!
The direction of the jet should be such that the water presses the gum tissue against the tooth. And not at right angles, but tangentially.
I do not know what they write in the instructions for the irrigator, but I have seen cases of injury to the gums and even the circular ligament (which holds the tooth in the bone) by the irrigator. and the periodontal papilla is detached - it becomes loosely dangling.
So an irrigator is not an unambiguous thing.
However, it depends on the person ... and with an ordinary toothbrush, hard tooth tissues are injured ...
Lucha
The instructions write the direction at 45 degrees.
Rita

This Ultra high sonic vibration is up to 28,500 strokes / min, while Megasonex has 96,000,000 pulsations per minute. Could this be true? Or this duck? I looked at all the sonic brushes for pulsation in the range of the "exiled" Panasonic brush. What do you think about that?
Lucha
Rita, have you carefully looked at the advertising links about the ultrasound brush? I was very alarmed by the pictures of bacteria before and after. Considering that our body is the same accumulation of living cells ..... How scary it becomes.
Ayuu, do we have physical therapists? For therapeutic purposes, ultrasound courses are 10-15 procedures and no more. Can be repeated after 3-6 months. And this is also the head.
You never know miraculous drugs and devices are first advertised ... and closed by seven locks in a few years due to long-term consequences.
Somewhere like this, this is my opinion ...
And Malysheva's program is alive due to advertising
Sens
ultrasound sources are of different strengths ...
and ultrasound brushes in America a long time ago ...
Rita
Lucha, I trusted the dentist Sens. And Marinastorm, as a dental assistant, recommended. True, she herself does not use it.
After your words I was confused ...
Lucha
Quote: Rita

Lucha, I trusted the dentist Sens. And Marinastorm, as a dental assistant, recommended. True, she herself does not use it.
After your words I was confused ...
Rita, read


Ultrasonic toothbrush: reviews

From this article you will learn:

toothbrush with ultrasound: pros and cons,
how much does an ultrasonic toothbrush cost,
reviews of practicing dentists.

The article was written by a dentist-periodontist with over 10 years of experience.

Ultrasonic toothbrushes are classified as electric toothbrushes.
The latter also includes mechanical type toothbrushes (these are those that have a rotating head with bristles), as well as sonic brushes. What all these types of toothbrushes have in common is that they run on electricity - on rechargeable batteries, AA batteries, or through an adapter from the mains. However, the principle of teeth cleaning is different for all these types of toothbrushes.
How an ultrasonic toothbrush works

An ultrasonic toothbrush contains a motor inside the handle and a piezoceramic plate located under the bristles of the toothbrush head. This plate emits an ultrasonic vibrational wave with a frequency of 1.6-1.7 MHz.Thanks to this, the bristles on the head of the toothbrush vibrate and make about 100,000,000 movements in 1 minute.

This frequency was not chosen by chance. The fact is that an ultrasonic vibrational wave of such a frequency is capable of propagating from the place of direct contact of the bristles with the teeth and gums up to 4 mm deep. Thus, the therapeutic effect of ultrasound can extend to very hard-to-reach areas - interdental spaces, gingival sulcus, not deep periodontal pockets.

Ultrasonic toothbrush with replaceable heads Ultrasonic toothbrush device Ultrasonic cleaning technology
How an ultrasonic brush cleans teeth

In addition to vibrating the bristles (which promotes mechanical plaque removal), the ultrasonic vibrations emitted by the brush head destroy the attachment of microbes to the tooth surface (Figure 3). Thanks to all this, teeth are cleaned.

There is no doubt that ultrasonic toothbrushes are able to effectively remove soft microbial and pigment plaque from the tooth surface.
With great difficulty, the ultrasonic brush is able to cope with even the smallest hard dental deposits. But getting rid of hard dental deposits, which you can see in Fig. 4-6 - such a brush will not help you at all. To remove such dental deposits, you will have to undergo a professional hygiene session at the dentist.

Hard dental deposits (calculus) Hard dental deposits (tartar) Hard dental deposits (calculus)

During the use of the brush, a pleasant warmth is felt in the mouth: the tissues heat up somewhat (according to the manufacturers - by about 1 ° C). An increase in temperature, in turn, allows accelerating the release of fluoride and calcium ions from the toothpaste, which probably should contribute to an increased strengthening of tooth enamel. In addition, the blood supply to the gums is accelerated, which is also useful in some cases.
Ultrasonic toothbrush: cost

Donfeel Ultrasonic Toothbrush -
the cost of an ultrasonic toothbrush "Donfeel" will be 3 thousand rubles.
Ultrasonex Ultrasonic Toothbrush -
the price of an Ultrasonex ultrasonic toothbrush will be about RUB 2,000.
Megasonex m8 ultrasonic toothbrush -
the price of the Megasonex ultrasonic toothbrush will be about 5 thousand rubles.

Ultrasonic toothbrush: contraindications

In addition to advantages, an ultrasonic toothbrush has disadvantages. These deficiencies will be less significant in people with healthy, unfilled teeth, without crowns and bridges on the teeth, and in the absence of gum disease. For everyone else, a toothbrush with ultrasound can lead to unpleasant consequences, such as:
1. Reducing the service life of fillings, veneers, crowns -

Ultrasound is a very high frequency vibration wave. Such a wave spreads deep into tissues (teeth, crowns, fillings, gums) to a depth of 4-5 mm. The ultrasonic wave creates vibrations (microvibrations) of hard tissues of teeth, fillings, orthopedic structures.

In inhomogeneous solid media (materials), ultrasonic vibrational waves propagate in different ways. This is due to the fact that different materials have different characteristics of wave resistance, which depends on their structure, structure, physical properties of the material. You can get acquainted with this from the physics course (see the laws of ultrasound propagation in inhomogeneous solid media). In objects that consist of a homogeneous material (I mean an unprocessed, completely healthy tooth), the oscillatory wave will propagate uniformly without causing any problems.

Features of the effect of ultrasound on filled teeth:
However, a completely different situation develops in the teeth on which there are fillings, crowns, veneers, inlays, and metal pins are installed in the root canals. In terms of their physical properties, the materials from which fillings and crowns are made differ from tooth tissues. And therefore, during the passage of an ultrasonic vibrational wave, these materials will experience vibration (vibrations) different from the vibration of the preserved tooth tissues, as well as from each other.

The inconsistency of microvibrations causes their conflict at the border of solid media - what are the boundaries of the filling / tooth, crown / tooth, metal pin / tooth. This leads to the destruction of the binder between these media. Let me remind you that light-cured fillings are held on the teeth thanks to a special adhesive. An adhesive is a kind of glue that binds tooth tissue and restorative material together. Destruction of the adhesive at the border will cause the filling, veneer, and inlay to fall out. In the same way, the cement will be destroyed, with the help of which the artificial crown is fixed to the tooth.

Moreover, the process of destruction will not be abrupt, but gradual. As a practicing periodontist, I have been working with ultrasound almost every day for 12 years. Any doctor who removes dental deposits from patients with ultrasound has to periodically face the loss of fillings (which, by the way, do not fall out badly even without ultrasound ...). First of all, of course, poorly delivered fillings with poor attachment of the fillings to the tooth tissues fall out, and those that are well delivered reduce the service life.

Is it then necessary to remove dental deposits with ultrasound at all:
Of course, you may have a question: is it worth removing dental deposits at the dentist with ultrasound at all? Usually, dental deposits are removed from the dentist no more than once a year - such a frequency will not cause significant harm to fillings, unlike, for example, the constant daily 2-time use of ultrasound at home. Therefore, you should not be afraid of ultrasonic teeth cleaning at the dentist. This brushing prevents gum disease and tooth decay.
2. Destruction of demineralized areas of enamel -

Some people have whitish chalky spots on the enamel surface (Figure 7-8). These spots are foci of low enamel mineralization with calcium, and are nothing more than the initial stage of caries (caries in the white spot stage). The enamel in such areas is very fragile and porous, but does not yet have visible signs of destruction (defect).

Multiple foci of enamel demineralization in the form of whitish spots Multiple foci of enamel demineralization in the form of whitish spots

Inexperienced dentists often have the following situations: when removing dental deposits from a patient, they touch an ultrasonic nozzle to such an area of ​​fragile demineralized enamel and lead to the destruction of its surface layer. In this place, the unevenness of the enamel immediately appears, its defect. So, the daily use of ultrasound for cleaning teeth can cause gradual destruction of such areas of enamel, which will lead to the need to fill the tooth. But, if the tooth is completely healthy, then the use of ultrasound is safe.
3. Exacerbation of chronic foci of inflammation at the tops
teeth -

There is such a disease as periodontitis. With this disease, purulent sacs (cysts) form at the tops of the roots. They contain pus inside. Periodontitis can be asymptomatic for a very long time (for years), and only with a decrease in immunity can there be pain when biting on a tooth, swelling of the gums, and fistula formation.

In the presence of such foci of chronic infection at the tops of the roots of the teeth, the use of ultrasound will contribute to the exacerbation of the chronic process, which will lead to the appearance of pain, swelling of the gums in the projection of the diseased tooth. Considering that more than 70% of patients have such chronic foci of inflammation, as a dentist, I cannot recommend the massive use of ultrasound.
4. Exacerbation of inflammatory diseases of the gums (gingivitis and periodontitis) -

The use of ultrasound in the acute period of gum inflammation (when there is pain, suppuration, swelling, edema, bleeding) is categorically contraindicated. This commonplace truth is written in any physical therapy manual. This is due to the fact that the use of ultrasound in the acute period causes the spread of infection. But in the presence of chronic gingivitis and periodontitis, when the symptoms are not so pronounced, the use of ultrasound in some cases may be justified.

The use of ultrasound for chronic gingivitis -

Gingivitis (fig. 12,13) ​​is caused by soft plaque and hard tartar. The capabilities of an ultrasonic toothbrush to remove hard dental plaque are rather limited. Strengthening blood circulation in the gums under the influence of ultrasound (while preserving the microbial flora in the form of dental plaque) - will cause the spread of infection in the gums and increase the swelling of the gums, bleeding and other symptoms.

Acute catarrhal gingivitis Chronic catarrhal gingivitis

Therefore, before using an ultrasonic brush, you need to take a course of professional hygiene with a dentist and remove all pathogenic microbial flora. Thus, the ultrasonic brush can only be used after removing dental plaque and relieving acute events through anti-inflammatory drug therapy.
The use of ultrasound for chronic periodontitis -

With periodontitis (Fig. 14,15), using an ultrasonic toothbrush is generally evil - even if all dental deposits have been removed. The fact is that with periodontitis, periodontal pockets are formed in the gums, the processes of destruction of bone tissue and its replacement with granulations are active. Bone tissue in the area of ​​periodontal pockets is not simply destroyed, but replaced by soft granulation tissue. These granulations, by the way, are removed during flap operations, which is the main method of treating periodontitis.

Periodontitis Chronic generalized periodontitis of moderate severity Deep periodontal pocket with periodontitis

Granulation tissue contains a large number of osteoclasts - cells that actively absorb bone tissue, as well as pathogenic microbes.
In Fig. 16 you can see that with periodontitis (with an outwardly good gum contour) deep bone pockets are hidden under the gum mucosa. These pockets are filled with granulation tissue, subgingival dental plaque and, in general, infection.

Under the influence of ultrasound, the activity of osteoclasts in the granulation tissue increases, which leads to an increase in the rate of destruction of bone tissue. That inevitably brings the emergence of mobility closer, and then the loss of teeth. Therefore, all assurances that ultrasonic toothbrushes are very useful for periodontal diseases are very far from the truth. And if you have periodontitis - think about it.

5. Not recommended for pregnant women, people with pacemakers -

Dental treatment in the first trimester of pregnancy often causes spontaneous abortion. That is why dental treatment in the 1st trimester is not recommended. At the moment, there is no evidence that the constant use of ultrasound for cleaning teeth can provoke the same. However, doctors do not recommend using such toothbrushes for pregnant women.
6. Contraindicated in the presence of neoplasms -

If there are benign and malignant neoplasms (tumors) in the oral cavity, as well as diseases of the mucous membrane associated with a violation of the process of keratinization of epithelial cells, then the use of an ultrasonic toothbrush is categorically contraindicated.
When the ultrasonic brush won't do harm

When there are no fillings, crowns, veneers, etc. on the teeth.
When you have no dental plaque, especially subgingival
When you do not have gingivitis and periodontitis
With periodontal disease -
Periodontal disease "differs from periodontitis and gingivitis in that bone resorption during periodontal disease is associated not with inflammatory changes in the gums, but with dystrophy processes (without any signs of inflammation). In this case, improving microcirculation in the gums may be beneficial. However, 99.99% of human cases of gum disease are associated with poor hygiene, infection and inflammation, not dystrophy.

The future belongs to atomic toothbrushes

You probably already understood from the title that it was written with irony. In the modern world, unfortunately, everything is tied to money and trade. It can already be predicted that in the next few years there will be "atomic toothbrushes", "magnetic resonance toothbrushes", as well as other goods with artificially developed demand, the purpose of which is only one thing - to make money by introducing another useless "novelty" ".

5 years ago, such a novelty was the electric tooth. brushes with rotating heads. Then toothbrushes appeared, "working" on sound and ultrasound. The fact is that the toothbrush market has one feature that is characteristic of mass-market products - toothbrushes are a product with a short life cycle. That is why manufacturers of such products constantly release new items to the market so that the buyer makes a choice in favor of their new product.

In fact, all this all intersecting bristles, all sorts of rubber tentacles on toothbrushes, sound, ultrasound, all sorts of indicators and other crap are invented by manufacturers in a fit of competition in order to draw attention to their product. Trading in general is based on massive consumer deception by creating demand through advertising for something - in most cases, completely useless.

To date, nothing has been invented better than a conventional manual toothbrush. But if you really want to play a little with a fashionable device, as well as diversify your oral hygiene, then we advise you to purchase an electric brush with a rotating head

The article was written by a dentist-periodontist with over 10 years of experience.

Rita
Lucha, thank you very much ! There is something to think about ... Perhaps we will have to abandon this venture.
Sens
and what puzzled you?
tendentious article.
Lucha
Quote: Sens

and what puzzled you?
the article is tendentious.
There are contraindications.

"Ultrasonic toothbrush: contraindications
In addition to the positive characteristics, which we wrote about just above, the ultrasound toothbrush also has disadvantages. These deficiencies will be less significant in people with healthy, non-filled teeth, no crowns and bridges on the teeth, and no gum disease. For everyone else, the use of ultrasound will contribute to the occurrence of unpleasant consequences.
Reduced service life of fillings, veneers, crowns, braces, etc. -
Vibrations of the bristles with a frequency of 1.7 MHz lead to the generation of an ultrasonic vibrational wave, which propagates deep into the tissues (teeth, crowns, fillings, gums) to a depth of 4-5 mm. Thus, the oscillatory wave creates microvibrations of hard tissues of teeth, fillings, orthopedic structures.
In different types of tissues and materials, ultrasonic vibrational waves propagate in different ways, which depends on the structure, structure, physical properties of the tissue or material, etc. In objects that consist of one type of tissue (I mean untreated, completely healthy tooth), the vibration wave will propagate uniformly without causing any problems.
However, a completely different situation develops in the teeth, which have fillings, crowns, veneers, inlays, and even more so when there are also metal pins in the root canals. In terms of their physical properties, the materials from which fillings, crowns, etc. are made, differ from tooth tissues.And therefore, when the ultrasonic vibrational wave passes, these materials will vibrate differently from the vibration of the preserved tooth tissues.
Vibration mismatch causes a conflict at the border of the filling-tooth tissue, crown-tooth tissue and leads to the destruction of the bonding component between these media. Let me remind you that light-cured fillings are held on the teeth thanks to a special adhesive. An adhesive is a kind of glue that binds tooth tissue and restorative material together. Destruction of the adhesive at the border will cause the filling, veneer, and inlay to fall out.
In the same way, the cement will be destroyed, with the help of which the artificial crown is fixed to the tooth. Moreover, the process of destruction will not be abrupt, but gradual. Every dentist who removes dental deposits from patients with ultrasound has to periodically face the loss of fillings. First of all, of course, poorly delivered fillings (with poor attachment of the fillings to the tooth tissues) fall out, and those that are well delivered reduce the service life.
Destruction of demineralized areas of enamel -
Some people have whitish chalky spots on the enamel surface (Figure 7-8). These spots are foci of low enamel mineralization with calcium, and are nothing more than the initial stage of caries (caries in the white spot stage). The enamel in such areas is very fragile and porous. Continuous use of ultrasound can destroy these areas of the enamel. In this case, defects form on the enamel surface, which over time may lead to the need for tooth filling. But, if the tooth is completely healthy, then the use of ultrasound is safe.

Destruction of the attachment of implanted implants to bone tissue -

As we said, ultrasound creates a vibration wave that propagates through the teeth and gums. It is completely safe for healthy non-filled teeth, since natural teeth are attached to the bone by means of the periodontium. The periodontium is the ligamentous apparatus of the tooth, which has amortization (Fig. 9). That is why healthy teeth have an insignificant degree of mobility, which allows them to cope with a significant chewing load.
Implants are attached to the bone not with the help of the periodontium, but by means of bone ankylosis (Fig. 9). The surface of the implant has microscopic undercuts, into which the bone tissue grows, and due to which the implant is retained (Fig. 10-11). That is, the implant is completely immobilized (unlike a tooth). When brushing teeth with an ultrasonic brush, the ultrasonic vibrational wave is first transmitted to the artificial crown attached to the implant, and then to the implant itself. As a result of vibration, the bone trabeculae in the micro-undercuts of the implant surface are destroyed. With constant exposure to ultrasound, implant mobility may gradually appear, and in the worst case, its rejection.
Exacerbation of inflammatory diseases of the gums (gingivitis and periodontitis) -
We must say right away that the use of ultrasound in the acute period of inflammation of the gums is categorically contraindicated, since it will only cause an increase in inflammation (this is taught in all medical universities). The acute period of inflammation is characterized by severe symptoms - soreness, bleeding of the gums, their swelling, etc. But in the presence of chronic gingivitis and periodontitis, when the symptoms are not so pronounced, the use of ultrasound in some cases may be justified.
→ For chronic gingivitis: see fig. 12-13
The reason for the development of gingivitis is precisely soft plaque and hard tartar. The capabilities of an ultrasonic toothbrush to remove hard dental plaque are rather limited. Strengthening blood circulation in the gums under the influence of ultrasound (while preserving the microbial flora in the form of dental plaque) will only cause the spread of infection and increased inflammation. That is, there will be an increase in gum swelling, an increase in bleeding, etc.
Therefore, before using an ultrasonic brush, it is advisable to take a course of professional hygiene with a dentist and remove all pathogenic microbial flora. Thus, the ultrasonic brush can be used mainly for the prevention of gingivitis, or for its treatment, but only after the removal of dental plaque and the removal of acute phenomena against the background of anti-inflammatory therapy.
→ For chronic periodontitis: see fig. 14
With this pathology, the use of an ultrasonic toothbrush is generally evil, even if all dental deposits are removed. The fact is that with periodontitis in the gums, bone tissue is replaced by granulations. These granulations, by the way, are removed during flap operations (surgical treatment of periodontitis).
Granulation tissue is a soft tissue that consists of osteoclasts - cells that actively absorb bone tissue, as well as pathogenic microbes. Under the influence of ultrasound, the activity of osteoclasts increases and the resorption (resorption) of bone tissue is accelerated. Therefore, all assurances that ultrasonic toothbrushes are very useful for periodontal diseases are very far from the truth.

The only exception can be the disease "Periodontal disease", which differs from periodontitis and gingivitis in that bone resorption during periodontal disease is associated not with inflammatory changes in the gums, but with dystrophy processes (without any signs of inflammation). In this case, improving microcirculation in the gums may be beneficial. However, 99.99% of human cases of gum disease are associated with poor hygiene, infection and inflammation, not dystrophy.
Not recommended for pregnant women, people with pacemakers
Dental treatment in the first trimester of pregnancy often causes spontaneous abortion. That is why dental treatment in the 1st trimester is not recommended. At the moment, there is no evidence that the constant use of ultrasound for cleaning teeth can provoke the same. However, doctors do not recommend using such toothbrushes for pregnant women. "

For example, I did not know any of this.
And our doctors are silent, like partisans. Or maybe they don't take these contraindications seriously.

I have been using this brush for several years ... - See more at: 🔗


This is a physiotherapy device. I am always afraid of drugs and devices with "only positive" action. I like our people, first they will be led to advertisements, and only then, doctor, help.
Forgive me if it hurts sharply. My grandmothers with grandfathers now began to buy portable lasers for 20-25 thousand, that's who they will give what discount
Rita
Lucha, why do we need lasers at home? Why do grandmothers buy them?
Lucha
They are trying to see, cure cataracts, retina.
I'm sending them to the operation, and they want miracles.
Malva
So much time has passed since the opening of this Temka. Now a question for the studio): is it worth buying an irrigator? Is this another toy? Does it justify itself (a question for those who have problem gums and have crowns). I am forced to pry, otherwise they will soon evict me with my mega-need devices on the street
dopleta
Quote: Mavka

So much time has passed since the opening of this Temka.
But many had irrigators long before its opening. And it is especially needed by those who have
Quote: Mavka

problematic gums and crowns
Malva
dopletaMany thanks for the bullet point in making the decision)).
There was still a question: the girl offered to buy out the new waterpeak70 at half price. Is it worth it or is it better to take the hundredth?
Oca
Does it have a 220V or 110V power supply? I would take it with such a discount. I have WaterPeak 305 and 100, it seems that the 305 is even more powerful, at the maximum no one uses it yet.
Malva
Quote: Oca

Does it have a 220V or 110V power supply? I would take it with such a discount. I have WaterPeak 305 and 100, it seems that the 305 is even more powerful, no one uses it at the maximum yet.
European plug)
So I'll take it.
Aylen
And did anyone buy:
Oral irrigator DONFEEL OR-820M (with 2 nasal tips)
I like it for the price, but the description seems to be good ...
Arbena
I read the discussion about the ultrasound brush, the desire to buy it completely disappeared.
No new data?

And then my husband came from the dentist yesterday and said that we urgently need to buy it, as the doctor said. I went to google, opinions are different, but here it is completely negative.
And most importantly, it is clear why the negative.
In addition to advantages, an ultrasonic toothbrush has disadvantages. These deficiencies will be less significant in people with healthy, non-filled teeth, without crowns and bridges on the teeth, and in the absence of gum disease. For everyone else, an ultrasound toothbrush can cause unpleasant consequences
After all, most of us have fillings, caries, sore gums and similar troubles.
Does the doctor really have some kind of fat from his proposal? I was just upset. Although the doctor treats well, and this is the main thing.
Oca
Strange, but my doctor said about ultrasound. He says that an irrigator is more useful, it knocks everything out of the cracks and there is nowhere for microbes to grow. And ultrasound seems to be able to contribute to the appearance of micro-chips and micro-cracks at the junction of the filling and the tooth, then plaque will appear there, microbes will start, which cannot be cleaned with a brush. They will begin to live and live there and eat away the enamel ...
Sens
Arbena
Quote: Oca

They will begin to live and live there and eat away the enamel ...
Here I have a negative to the doctor and appeared.
Lucha
Last year I had to talk to dentists for a long time (implants, crowns, restoration). After the skeptical statements of Sens, asked questions about the ultrasonic brush, the answer was only one-NOT. The orthopedic surgeon threatened to void the warranty. The cosmetologist also said that the presence of implants is contraindicated for ultrasound procedures.
mur_myau
I have a Pocket Doltz electric toothbrush from Panasonic and their wireless travel irrigator.
The brush is powered by a finger-type battery, small and graceful, easy to carry in your purse.
Irrigator - the same. Slightly larger than the TV remote control. The battery is charged, enough for a couple of weeks. After use, the irrigator nozzle is hidden inside, the water compartment slides inside (clamshell).

I am very happy, and I use it at home and take it on the road. A year ago, tartar stopped forming.

My favorite pastes are Japanese non-abrasive Pure in tooth and Rocs enamel strengthening gel. And in the evening, usually black toothpaste with charcoal and juniper (bought in the "Rainbow Smile", a domestic clone of the Japanese).

Do you need photos?
ne_malysh
Why bother with electric toothbrushes, about which 7 years ago dentists in horror dismissed them with the words "all the fillings will fly out"? Caries is often invisible for a long time, so it can only worsen. Any brush can handle plaque removal, the main thing is to clean it correctly. Take any, for example, Rocks, and good pasta. And before that, go through the irrigator, which will pull out all the dirt from the interdental space. This is a really effective cleansing!
dopleta
Quote: ne_malysh

7 years ago, dentists in horror dismissed them with the words "all the fillings will fly out"?
7 years? Horrified? All dentists? Apparently, my fellow dentists are very ignorant and did not know about it. As well as my teeth, which I have been brushing with an electric brush for much longer than 7 years, but nothing "flew out". And welcome to the forum, ne_malysh !
Sens
Quote: dopleta
.... my teeth, which I have been brushing with an electric brush for much longer than 7 years, but nothing "flew".
and even from an ultrasonic brush, the seals do not "fly out"!
ne_malysh
Well, I voiced the opinion of my friends :) All are very individual. My teeth were breaking on the lavash) (fresh, if that :) So I somehow more in the old fashioned way)
dopleta
Having a dental center at home, I could not resist and also bought such a toy - well, I will take it to the dacha, I will hang it for guests

Irgata
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I would buy an irrigator just because "I don't feel like eating after it"
ooo it's a THOUGHT !! it must be materialized. STARTING TO WANT AN IRRIGATOR
Taponka
An irrigator by itself, IMHO - money down the drain.The thing is worthwhile and good, but only in combination with regular cleaning. About electric brushes - I also disagree, nothing comes out of them, nonsense. Rox has very good pastes, I hear about brushes for the first time. Here, in my opinion, is a good, high-quality paste, plus a modern electric brush, plus an irrigator - that's all, one hundred percent key to crystal tooth cleanliness)
Sens
Taponka, for the first post on the forum - just
Omela
Girls and boys going to buy an irrigator. So normal ??

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Ksusha
I like it, only I have a toothbrush, like the second one on your link.
How many years - I do not remember :-) But during this period, with my far from ideal teeth, I began to go to the dentist less often.
True, there are no problems with the gums. TTT
Omela
Quote: Ksusha
to the dentist began to go less often.
And I'm just from there. (((((((((((((((

Thank you, the second one with brushes is more expensive. while on this then I will stop.
Lucha
Omela, the coolest out there. I gave it to such a niece, only from a computer.
She is very pleased.
Lucha
Omela, look at here
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