Miranda
Airwhy forgiveness ?!
Of course, you can't keep track of everything, I gave a link to read the translation and discuss

Honey, yeah.
Air
Miranda, now I'm just reading it)) It turns out that I missed a lot of interesting things)))
animegravitation
Quote: Cos
Miranda, So with us, when buying before December 31, 2017, the officials promise a five-year warranty. But only orally. Well, on the sites. And to screen their pages and go to a notary to certify the printouts instead of getting a normal warranty card is somehow indecent
Only here in Germany model 096 costs 46,000 - 738.65 € in terms of our money and we have 65,000 the lowest price
Quote: Miranda
Zhanik, I'm not talking about the price right now, it will be cosmic.
This is a choice in France - such an induction for 1100 euros or a new one for 1300 - can be a choice.

I'm talking about changing the vector of a planetary mixer and dough mixer to a cooking device. It's one thing to get rid of a water bath for cream, from a stove for choux pastry, not to shift it to proofing. Even risotto is good too, because you get rid of constant stirring. But fry potatoes - why?
Then that cooking must be robotic
Housewives cannot be without work and like to stand at the stove for an hour or two, but most want to eat tasty and nutritious without a lot of effort
Therefore, people buy dishwashers and dryers, although you can do without them.
Quote: Zhanik
and I just not by chance wrote about the price. With a price tag of 1100 euros (yes at the old rate), this is a great option for students and other options with very little space for living and cooking.
But with our price and course, this car becomes a practically luxury item, which you take care of, take care of and cherish. That is, changing this very vector is quite logical for Europe and not very acceptable for us, alas
At the old rate, everyone would have been swept off the shelves long ago
because 30 00 is not 60 for you

And the new model costs 1.175.63 € versus 096 - 738.65 € excluding tax and shipping
Miranda
Quote: animegravitation
Only in Germany model 096 costs 46,000 - 738.65 €

They are not sent to the Russian Federation, since the box weighs more than the Russian Post allows.

You can buy it, of course, if you bring it yourself from Germany, for example, by train. Or if friends / resellers send you the car in parts.
animegravitation
This is understandable, only the price of the new model in the Russian Federation is not clear
For if in Germany 096 model costs 46,000 - 738.65 €
And we have from 65,000 to 125,000
THEN how much will the new model cost in Germany now - 1.175.63 €
That is more than 74,000
Here it will definitely fly away for 100,000
And alas, kitchen machines are not computers - they do not quickly get cheaper

And in the new model, as I understand it, the temperature regime is expanded, there are automatic programs, a stirrer hook when whipping or kneading, plus a temperature twist instead of buttons - which should be more convenient

The main question is - are the gears of the platent mechanism also Teflon like in model 096?
Miranda
Quote: animegravitation
And we have from 65,000 to 125,000

We have 65 thousand. This is the office. price.
Up to 125 - these are leftist offices, it is not clear who they are intended for.

On a new one - we'll wait and see.
Very different price in different countries from 1.1 thousand euros. (France) up to 1.5 thousand (Italy, Germany). Because different demand, etc.

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And 096 dropped in value in Germany after the new one appeared.
Besides, I went and looked at the price. You miscalculated.
For 738 found only on the CU Russian version, where VAT is deducted
🔗

In German version 096 costs 879 euros, strikethrough price 1499
879 euros = 56 thousand.
🔗

On the German Amazon 096 costs 904 euros, which is equal to 57.5 thousand.

That is, you will buy 096 for 738 euros only in one version - personally for 879 euros, and then you will do tax-free at customs.

Friends / intermediaries will buy at a German price for 56-57 thousand + delivery, and since the box is heavy and you need two parcels, the delivery will get the missing 65 thousand 8-9 thousand, and maybe it will come out more expensive.
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It's the same story with a new car - you see the price excluding VAT.

Quote: animegravitation
how much will the new model cost in Germany now - 1.175.63 €
That is more than 74,000

The new car for the Germans costs 1399 euros, the crossed out price is 1499
🔗

There are two options on Amazon German:
Kenwood Cooking Chef Gourmet KCC9060S for 1499 euros
And KCC9040S for 1349 euros

Judging by the pictures, the differences between them as 094 and 096 in terms of configuration are the presence / absence of a blender + food processor.

animegravitation
Duck in this and plus foreign scrolling that you do not pay VAT.
For example, although offtopic, I bought a Gear S3 Frontier LTE smart watch in the United States with a discount and came out at $ 250 or $ 14,300 at that time.
And we have the same model already costs 25,000
Well, plus 15 bucks delivery.
With the car, it is more difficult that it is heavy and voluminous.
Only if you go on tour in Germany yourself) and at the same time behind the car and then do Tax free)
Miranda
animegravitation, your first post is not about how much money Russians can theoretically buy.

You have compared the German price and the Russian one, that is, the pricing in the countries. But for the German they took without VAT, which is not correct. On the whole, it is not correct to compare prices, because we have different salaries, different markets.
evilgunner
Good day, dear forum users!

I am in the throes of choice. I want to get an inexpensive food processor. I look closely at Kenwood Multione KHH 326WH. The question is whether there are additional attachments for it, for example, I need a attachment for a meat grinder for sausages and sausages, a multi-grinder (mill). Or the nozzles that Kenwood have are only suitable for older cars? If there are no additional attachments for this series of machines, you can advise which model with a budget of up to 25 tons.

Thank you in advance!
animegravitation
Quote: Miranda
On the whole, it is not correct to compare prices, because we have different salaries, different markets.
This goes without saying, but alas, technically complex goods are produced abroad and companies, to put it mildly, do not care what salaries are in a particular country.
Within certain limits of course
Therefore, all imports have risen in price 2 times after the collapse of the ruble
After all, earlier models with induction cost in the region of 30-33 thousand, which is quite acceptable, but now it is already 65, which is much more, even purely psychologically

for example, he himself has a model - Kenwood KM 289 bought before devaluation for as much as 5,000 at a markdown
Although the harvester was fully operational and had a complete set
At that time, the usual price of Kenwood KM 289 was 15,000 and now it costs 25,000 -30,000
And since the purchase of a model with induction does not burn, I'm looking for where you can buy and not overpay)
Zhanik
Quote: animegravitation
After all, earlier models with induction cost around 30-33 thousand

When is this? I bought my 086 accidentally with a big discount for 47 sput in February 2013. The usual price was 69 sput in all chain electronics hypermarkets. As in retail. So it is on the net. In Finland, taking into account a prepaid invoice, it would have cost me 38 sput in Giganti. But it was necessary to first go to pay, then buy and take out, then return again with an invoice.
Vlad_Ru
Quote: evilgunner
The question is, are there any additional attachments for it, for example, I need a attachment for a meat grinder for sausages and sausages,
Yes it is.
Quote: evilgunner
multi-shredder (mill).
I did not find this in the list of attachments.
Quote: evilgunner
Or the nozzles that Kenwood have are only suitable for older cars?
Alas, I'm afraid not. What I saw in the photo there are other seats.
Quote: evilgunner
you can advise some kind of model in a budget of up to 25 tr.
Announce what you need from the car, maybe then we'll pick it up.
Miranda
Quote: animegravitation
After all, earlier models with induction cost in the region of 30-33 thousand, which is quite acceptable, but now it is already 65, which is much more, even purely psychologically

You think wrong again
You just take the course, moreover, either a dollar, or an incomprehensible year. And for some reason you wind yourself up that once such a car was at a good price.

30-33 thousand induction has never cost.
The rate of euro 30-33 was in 2002-2004, and the first induction model 070 appeared in the world at the very end of 2011 at a price of 1.3 + - thousand euros. It has never been officially sold in the Russian Federation.

Induction has always revolved around the price of 1,000 euros.
Promotions, discounts, or a new model raised / lowered this price by 150-200 + - euros.

Officially, we started selling from the 80th series, from about 2013.
Prices hovered around 60 + - thous.

For a promotion, a display case, or a second-hand one could be caught cheaper.
Paul I
Quote: Zhanik
In Finland, taking into account a prepaid invoice, it would have cost me 38 sput in Giganti.
Does Giganti give an invoice by default? Tax fries are not offered? By the way, there is a kind of option to receive an invoice immediately and after printing it at the border in an envelope, put it in a special box.
zvezda
Paul!! It is possible, but it is somehow tricky. After all, the money will return to your card after a while .... oh, I'm talking about tax free: girl-yes: How do you get an invoice ??? I have not heard of this. And in any store you have to say what you need specifically. Well, seal it according to the selected return. Tax fries are everywhere ... they will be given to you right at the border.
Paul I
Quote: zvezda
Tax fries are everywhere ... they will be given to you right at the border.
It's clear. The invoice is more complicated. But more interesting. It is twice as high.
Zhanik
Quote: Paul I

Does Giganti give an invoice by default? Tax fries are not offered? By the way, there is a kind of option to receive an invoice immediately and after printing it at the border in an envelope, put it in a special box.

I remember the prices very well ... But why the tax-free is not stuck in my memory ... Probably, it was more profitable with the invoice. But, they wanted to pay in advance only in cash ... Then come to pick up the invoice, then roll back the invoice ... For me, with that savings, it still turned out too many gestures ... It did not grow together. I even refused to buy in our store in my hearts, postponing until better times ... But a couple of days later the courier rang at the door with a huge box in his hands))) They either did not see my refusal, or something else. But I decided to know the fate. Took, in general, for 47 in the end. And I have no regrets. And so it turned out)
Miranda
Quote: Zhanik
Took, in general, for 47 in the end. And I have no regrets. And so it turned out)

And I have no regrets!
I love him very much, the assistant is great.

zvezda
Of course the invoice is more profitable !!!! But you have to come back for him
Zhanik
Quote: zvezda

Of course the invoice is more profitable !!!! But you have to come back for him
Yes, Olga! And I didn't even have a greenhouse and a visa in the butt ... And you need a lot of time. So in my case, "Overseas, a heifer-half, but a hack-ferry"
Paul I
Quote: zvezda
Of course the invoice is more profitable !!!! But you have to come back for him
Not necessary. I will repeat it again. They can immediately deduct the tax and give an invoice, which must be marked at the border and dropped into a special box. Another thing is that they do not trust Russians very much. But you can send the invoice with friends or if someone from your acquaintances lives there, with an opportunity or mail.
zvezda
Paul!! You misunderstood a little .... read it !!
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And with friends ... of course yes !!
Natusya!! So I'm talking about it
animegravitation
Quote: Miranda
You think wrong again
You just take the course, moreover, either a dollar, or an incomprehensible year. And for some reason you wind yourself up that once such a car was at a good price.

30-33 thousand induction has never cost.
The rate of euro 30-33 was in 2002-2004, and the first induction model 070 appeared in the world at the very end of 2011 at a price of 1.3 + - thousand euros. It has never been officially sold in the Russian Federation.

Induction has always revolved around the price of 1,000 euros.
Promotions, discounts, or a new model raised / lowered this price by 150-200 + - euros.

Officially, we started selling from the 80th series, from about 2013.
Prices hovered around 60 + - thous.

For a promotion, a display case, or a second-hand one could be caught cheaper.

I think everything is correct

Now there are no screenshots on the Eldoraodo website
Previously, the Google cache was

Just type in Google in the search - I can't insert the link
screen only


Kitchen machine KENWOOD KM080 - reviews ... - Eldorado
29 999,00 ₽
And yes - promotions, sales and normal markdowns (for example, for a broken blender by 50% with the rest of the complete set) our everything
Zhanik
Quote: animegravitation
Eldorado29,999,00 ₽

if you go inside, you would see that this is the price for another model, or even something that instantly transforms into 69900. The very first ad is a display case.Call and ask, and in response to you that either the state is such that he is not subject to any criticism at all, or he is not, but there is only now and only for you for 69900. Why do you persist if I tell YOU that since the end of 2012 to February 2013 was puzzled by the purchase of Kenwood. And I remember the prices very well. When I bought mine for 47, many did not believe me. They thought there was some kind of catch. And the price of 33 sput, and even more so at 29,900 did not exist at all. Trust me!
PySy: In Giganti, it cost more than 1000 euros. I gave above the alignment with the invoice ... And you again for your own ... that in Russia it cost less than 1000 bucks

When now there was an action on them, then, having counted the notorious in Jews, I wanted to say-give TWO! -Get more quickly))))) less than 1000 came out there.
Miranda
animegravitation, here you are only the third day on the forum, and judging by the posts, you have hardly read the entire section about the Kenwood car. This branch is already the third part, and the first one started in 2008.

But I've read all the topics in this section, all the throwing of choice among members of the forum, all the joys of buying, all the price discussions and all the options that are successful at a price.

Never an induction machine, that of the 80th series, that of the 90th series, did not cost 33 thousand. Even 40 thousand did not cost, and 45 thousand did not cost. Even for super-duper stocks, display cases, or markdowns for defects or incomplete set.

The price of 50 thousand + - 1-2 thousand was considered incredible luck and was noted by the entire forum. It was extremely rare.
You can believe in anything, your right, but you will not be able to convince anyone here that the induction cost even 35 thousand, because most of us either read this section for 9+ years and know when induction appeared and the whole history of the price of what in RF, that in Germany, or read all the branches a little later and also gained this knowledge.
Belka13
I remember that in May 2013 I ordered KM 023 for 35,500 rubles. I was in seventh heaven with happiness, because everyone had this model already costing 47,000. And I'm not talking about induction at all
Paul I
Asked Kenwood a question about the "official site". Here's the answer:
Our official website for the sale of Kenwood Cooking Chef kitchen machines is:
🔗

All dealers operate on this site.

The kenwood-bt site will soon be shut down altogether.
Miranda
I also have an official answer

Kenwood-BT will not be closed, and he will stop selling induction models.
Will sell the rest of the models and other Kenwood equipment, such as a hand blender, bread maker, etc.

This will happen when search engine indexing picks up steam.
Any new site is in search quarantine for 2-3 months, and when the robots calculate their calculations, when the site confirms its durability by its work, and not that it is a one-day experiment of a schoolboy keen on programming with "hello world".

Then the only office will remain. shop selling induction. In the meantime, both are selling induction and this is official.
Because they are the same and they have the same phones
Tan_ch
Pavel and Miranda, considering the possibility of correspondence with Kenwood, do you know about the fate of the promised master classes? When buying a car, I had a master class for 1 person as a gift. These are not the free master classes that you can attend, but according to the manager who placed the order, they are much more serious. I chose Italian cuisine, I had to wait roughly a month and a half, that is, around the beginning of May in my case. In the second decade of May, I called Kenwood-BT: they continue to enroll in master classes, but they do not conduct them, and it is not known when they will conduct them, they offered to go at least for free. As it is undignified on the part of Kenwood such consumer deception. And on the Kenwood BT website, one list of service centers is indicated, and on the hotline phone from the warranty card they announced to me another today, they coincided by about half. On the website of the cooking chef, I generally have only one displayed. It’s strange.
Miranda
Tan_ch, I have no correspondence
Not in the know about these special master classes.

I only know that they write about free ones on the website and on Instagram / Facebook. What will be cooked, etc., purely ads.I was going to get distracted from the protection of our Stalin from renovation, which takes all the time and strength, and go to such a free rest, but last week the girl who was conducting them was sick. If I get there, I'll ask.
Tan_ch
Miranda, thanks, but Alice doesn't know, I've already asked. A description of the master classes, the right to visit which is given with a car, is on the Kenwood-BT website, however, the information there is also incorrect, in fact they offer only a few to choose from, but in fact they are not carried out.
I also look at free Instagram announcements, but I realized that there is much more information on the experience of using CM on the bread machine.
Arlei
I wrote about oil leaking. For a long time I could not hand over for repairs, finally, at the time of my trip, my husband took it to the repair, right from them and the drip. We gave it back quickly, in a week. Replaced the gearbox. I haven’t turned it on yet, only now I’ve returned home, it’s all dirty, not worn.
NatalyaB
I ask for help!
She became the owner of a beautiful Kenwood kvc7300s car. I disassemble, install, mine. And! .. I can't remove the cup. I try to turn it slightly, and raise it - no way. What's the focus? I know that there is a rubber mat under it, but it cannot be that such force must be applied to peel it off. I can't do it ... So you can pour what you mix. What do you need to do to make it easy to shoot and how to shoot at all?
Arlei
I turned on the typewriter after the repair - it was getting very noisy, already grinding in periods! Back carry?
Miranda
NatalyaB, could you take a picture?
I don’t understand about the rubber mat under the bowl!
Arlei, the sound changes over time.
There the details should be rubbed in. In theory.

I would launch it a couple more times, and then into the service.
Vlad_Ru
Quote: Arlei
She started to make a lot of noise, already grinding in periods!
Miranda, correctly says, drive her in different modes.
Better yet, set for 1 and 3-4 hours, without a hook. If after that there will be noises, to the service.
Arlei
Thanks for the advice! Confused by the grinding at low revs, it is somehow strange. And they returned the car with scratches, I remember perfectly where and what was. Here she took off in a quick way. Tell me what?


Vlad_Ru
Quote: Arlei
And they returned the car with scratches, I remember perfectly where and what was.
At the expense of the scratches, it was necessary to immediately inspect in the center and indicate this.
Can't do it now.
Miranda
Quote: Arlei
Here she took off in a quick way. Tell me what?

Yes, it sounds strange at first speeds.
On high like ok.

So I would drive a little. Maybe the oil has not been distributed or something else has not rubbed in.
NatalyaB
Miranda, thanks for the answer! I managed, it turned out that it was necessary to turn counterclockwise more strongly, they suggested that it was scary to break a new car. The photo is not mine, but there is a rubber mat or stand in the corner under the bowl. Reduces slipping.
Miranda
NatalyaB, when I knead a very tight dough, then the bowl then with extra. I take off with effort. She seems to be driven further along the "runners". Sometimes I even ask you to hold me if someone is at home at this moment. It's okay, the laws of physics

The rest of the processes are easily removed.

NatalyaB
Miranda, Thank you. I will master.
manul
Quote: Arlei

Thanks for the advice! Confused by the grinding at low revs, it is somehow strange. And they returned the car with scratches, I remember perfectly where and what was. Here she took off in a quick way. Tell me what?
I had a new KVC 5000T until I sold it.
I checked the operation of the machine immediately after purchase and before selling with min. up to max. revolutions, and so - there was nothing like that. In my opinion, this should not be.
Twig
Leila, the sound is unpleasant, in theory, the service should have shown how it works.
Maybe the car was confused and given to someone else's, unrepaired?
Arlei
VetaI don’t think they have any other Kenwoods besides mine, the city is small. Yes, and I know mine, he is mine, dear. She did not take it herself, husband, there were a lot of people there, they did not include ((((.
Miranda
Facebook has such an option - it reminds you of what you wrote on this day in different years. So he reminded me that last year on June 8, I bought a Kenwood Cooking Chef, and on June 10 they brought it to me
I decided to write some kind words in honor of this

Not a single household appliance made such an impression on me, did not bring so much joy. But the most interesting thing is that I am glad every time he does something. Not so explosive, of course, but still a constant wow effect. Maybe because I’m always cooking something new that I hadn’t even intended to do before. But not because with a hand mixer it is impossible to make, for example, Kiev cake,

Kenwood kitchen machines

anything you want can be done without gadgets, just with your hands, but somehow I didn't want to. And here a handsome man stands and inspires, and everything is done with ease and joy.

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I won't say anything about other models, because I don't know, but personally, I wanted induction right away. Because I have a bad temper, and whatever I bought, I would not have calmed down until I exchanged it for induction. Therefore, I saved money and nerves, did not even buy the excellent 020/023 or 060/063.

Therefore, I will say a little about induction.
You can do it without it, but it's really more convenient with it. From the simplest proofing to cooking.

I distribute the bread, leaving it in the bowl after kneading. Custard dough, custard has never been so easy. Anything where you need to beat something in a water bath, for example, tiramisu, where there are raw yolks in the cream, which I beat for 3 minutes at 90 degrees. Merengue, mascarpone, marshmallow, well, etc. It is convenient to make jam. From savory - stew, risotto, polenta and others, where constant stirring is needed.

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A food processor and blender were included, and immediately with the purchase there was also a cube cutter. The processor and cube cutter are in regular use. But the blender has been actively used not so long ago, and in vain I hardly touched it for so long, because it is cool.

We also bought separately:
1. Multi-chopper and then add to it. knife - almost every day both knives work, I don't remove the attachment from the table. Coffee, powdered sugar, spices, sauces. A very convenient attachment, my favorite.
2. The old form of flexi (K-shaped nozzle, iron inside, silicone outside) - it beats butter better, make cupcakes for it, knead half-thick dough
3. Mill - I don't use it so often, 2-3 times a month. Because, for example, a kilogram of ground corn grits into flour lasts for a long time. And it turns out that most often I make buckwheat for my mother / I did it for her favorite morning porridge-smear, because there is too large nonsense in the store, and not a chop / done
4. Souffleika - I became friends with her, and it is very convenient to mix flour into a biscuit, but I have never made a souffle for her

I want to buy:
- sieve
- add. cups for mini-crusher
- the second bowl (at least plastic, even iron, which will come before)
- upgrade the blender with a new knife and stirring stick

The rest of the attachments I either have as separate gadgets, or are not needed. Although, I do not exclude dough rolling, that is, unlikely, but with a good price and circumstances I will think about it.
didi2868
Miranda, Happy anniversary"! Long, pleasant years in tandem with this wonderful unit! Mine (060) is also a year old, but I’m not overjoyed. , yesterday, I accidentally saw your link to a German store and ordered the KAH 647 attachment, at a very reasonable price, I am happy as a beetle
P.S Also, I adore Tom Weits
Miranda
didi2868, I have a manual one, so I'm not in a hurry.
But they are so often praised, plus in height, which can be bought. But only after the sieve and the second bowl. Outside of the plan, I'll buy it only if a good story comes up.

Let KAH 647 come soon.
A food processor is a convenient and multifunctional thing.

Quote: didi2868
My (060) is also a year old, but I'm not overjoyed at all

And I congratulate you
A very great helper, so we are still happy.
Quote: didi2868
P.S Also, I adore Tom Weits

ABOUT! Thank you!
I really thought no one liked my userpic
Olga VB
Quote: didi2868
And I highly recommend the dough rolling machine, at first I regretted that I had bought it, but now: puff pastry in an instant, pita bread, pasties, crackers with flax seeds, etc.
Marina, and can you arrange all this with recipes? And even on puff pastry on rolling, questions periodically arise, and no one would refuse a cracker recipe, and from "etc."
Air
Quote: Olga VB

Marina, and can you arrange all this with recipes? And even on the puff pastry on rolling, questions periodically arise, and no one would refuse a cracker recipe, and from "etc."

So when reading the post of Miranda and Marina, I got exactly the same think request.
Because I have HUGE love with my Kenwood, but at a distance: I admire him, and sometimes even try to cook something. But more often than not, I just walk up and admire him, as if he is an exhibit in a museum, and I don’t know what to cook (and even a little afraid).

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