Gerda1
Can you get rid of this somehow ??
or do it purely on agar? and how much is needed then
Anchic
Gerda1you can try to reduce the amount of pectin by replacing it with agar. If made purely on agar, then the marmalade will be completely different, it will have a kind of glass cut. If you do it purely on agar, you can calculate the proportion of how much agar is needed in percentage for your sweet mixture. The original recipe contains 15g agar per 1150g mixture (650g juice + 500g sugar). It turns out that the agar should be approximately 1.3% of the mixture.
Gerda1
Thank you so much
I'll try to reduce the pectin today
4er-ta
Gerda1, Tatyanaif only the taste interferes, you can add lemon zest, there will be a lemon note.
Kaminova_Lena
For some reason, it constantly burns with me when cooking. Do you understand how this affects the taste and appearance ... Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
4er-ta
Tangerine marmalade with pectin.

Marmalade
leostrog
4er-ta , how beautiful! and delicious, for sure.
Cherry
Girls, does anyone use agar agar?
Gelability is not specified. Only a recommendation is given - 12 g of agar per 500 ml of liquid.
Soaked, boiled, froze. Mom mia. it's not even Jitter. The spoon falls. By the way. about tastes. Not particularly, but they pointed out that there may be traces of celery and even partitions of impurities. As far as I know, there should be no calories in agar, they are indicated on the label.
I boiled 26 agar on 500 ml. Received a piece of glass. If you take it in your hand, it doesn't wrinkle.

I came across a note Guralnik told about the creation of this cake. He pointed out that the mass must be elastic. But agar has so many different gelling properties, different manufacturers are different. It turns out. that you have to adapt by typing. Are there any approximate calculations of how to guess more or less?
There are a lot of recipes for bird's milk. But if you do exactly the Bird, then only according to GOST. and it will be. If you manage to take agar correctly.
floksovodik
I make marmalade with pectin, at the end I add lemon and pour it quickly. Otherwise, it freezes sooooo quickly. Here is the orange marmalade
Marmalade
Marmalade
4er-ta
Elena, if you take pectin Slow-set, then you can work with it longer, it freezes more slowly. My marmalade is orange, tangerine, cherry and grapefruit

Marmalade

floksovodik
4er-taUntil I saw slow set pectin on sale, Sosa, for example. Everywhere they write what is expected. I've been waiting for a long time. While cherry and orange in chocolate Marmalade
leostrog
4er-ta, floksovodik, what a beauty! Right at least on the showcase in an expensive pastry shop.

floksovodik
Thank you! This is my second wash. Still can't knock out the candy nicely
Nata333
Girls, Elena, Tatyana, please share the recipes (proportions) of your marmalade. I didn't like it on agar - the viscosity is not enough. And your marmalade looks just gorgeous
floksovodik
ORANGE MARMALADE
450 g of RICH juice or freshly squeezed (you can take a red orange), 364 g of sugar, 14 g of citrus pectin (or apple) 110 g of glucose, 5 g of lemon and 5 g of water, dilute with hot water. Bring the juice with half the sugar to a boil, you can boil it. Add sugar and pectin. Boil until 107 g, pour in the lemon, stir and quickly pour into the frame.
Nuance! When the temperature is over 100 degrees, somewhere around 102- 104. The thermometer falls asleep for a long time. You should know that it was not he who broke, this marmalade will slowly bring up the required temperature. For fidelity (thermometers sometimes lie) add 1-2 degrees. Marmalade is only good.




Cherry has slightly different proportions. For 450 g of juice Rich pectin 12 g, sugar 430 g, glucose 70 g, lemon 4 g
4er-ta
Nata, for orange marmalade, I have about the same proportions as Elena's (only I do not do it from juice, but I make mashed potatoes myself), so I won't repeat it. I will write a recipe for strawberry (apricot) marmalade — 250g strawberry puree, 7g yellow pectin, 275g sugar, 80g glucose, 3g citric acid / 3g water.
Heat the puree to 40 ', add the pectin mixed with a part of the sugar in a rain', heat, add the remaining sugar, bring to a boil, add glucose and cook until firm 106-107 '. Add citric acid at the end.
Nata333
Elena, Tatyanathank you girls
Do I understand correctly that glucose is a syrup that is similar in consistency to liquid honey? Can you tell me what depends on glucose, if you put more / less of it? Why, for example, did it take 70g for cherry juice, and 110g for orange juice? And Tatyana puts 144g of glucose in the strawberry (apricot) marmalade (in terms of 450g)?
I just want to understand the physics of the process. I have already read about pectin that it needs sugar to work, but here for me is an unprecedented "beast"
leostrog
In fact, not all pectin requires a lot of sugar. There are pectins that do not require sugar at all. but only calcium. and with them you can make marmalade with the help of sweeteners.
4er-ta
Nata333, Nata, yes, glucose is a liquid colorless syrup. Marmalade is stored without a refrigerator, so it is quite sweet, and glucose, which is less sweet than sugar, and with it, we can reduce the amount of sugar without losing its percentage in the marmalade. And also, it (I can't remember exactly), but it seems to prevent crystallization. About the recipes - they all differ, and the amount of products and the method of preparation. I wrote the one that I do.
silva2
The girls had a question ... Some recipes need trimolin, some glucose syrup ... Are these interchangeable things or not?
4er-ta
Elena, I saw in the recipes - glucose and invert syrup 50/50, and if I have trimolin on hand, I do it and add it right away, to pectin. But more often, I just replace it with glucose, I didn't see much difference.
floksovodik
Nata333, Different recipes, different quantity. Besides replacing sugar, glucose actually works as an anti-crystallizer. In addition, it plays a role in imparting plasticity. Cherries are sour, so you need more sugar. As a result, there is less glucose.




Trimolin, dextrose, sorbitol - these sugars play a role when making a product that is supposed to be stored for some time. Therefore, often all the sugars are present in the candy fillings in bulk. As a result, the shelf life is increased to 1-1.5 months. Without these, you need to gobble up the candy faster: girl_tortik: a week or two.
SUGAR (common SUGAR)
Sweetness coefficient - 100 (or one)
Properties:
- Provides a hard texture;
- extends the shelf life;
- crystallize with oversaturation;
- reduces the indicator of water activity;
- does not dissolve in alcohol;
- provides flavor and color when caramelized.
SYRUP GLUCOSE
Sweetness coefficient:
glucose 60 DE - 63
glucose 38 DE - 43
glucose 30 DE - 30
(DE is the dextrose equivalent)
Properties:
- delays and reduces crystallization;
- reduces the indicator of water activity;
- provides aroma and color when heated;
- absorbs moisture (especially with a high dextrose equivalent).
Low dextrose equivalent glucose increases viscosity and is used as a thickener and fixer, for example in the manufacture of low fat ganache.
Glucose with a low dextrose equivalent (less than 40) does not contain a large amount of reducing sugar, but includes polysaccharides, which provide low hygroscopicity and prevent changes at low temperatures. Due to these properties, it is recommended for the production of dragees, caramel, nougat, etc.
Glucose with a high dextrose equivalent (more than 45) is mainly used in products that contain a lot of water, such as pastilles, since in this case the water-retaining properties of the reducing sugars prevent drying out.
DEXTROSE (GRAPE SUGAR)
Sweetness coefficient - 30
- ideal for reducing sweetness;
- poorly soluble;
- prevents crystallization in creams;
- reduces the average crystal size of added sugars and provides some flexibility that can be useful in preforms, for example, fondant sugar (sugar for icing);
- creates a cool effect (only monohydrate);
- reduces the indicator of water activity;
- has hygroscopicity.
INVERTED SUGAR
Sweetness coefficient - 125
- contains 50% dextrose and 50% pure fructose;
- prevents crystallization in creams;
- reduces the activity of water, if not heated to 70 ° C;
- hygroscopic. Desirable ingredient in products with a high water content that must remain soft;
- excess invert sugar can lead to viscosity and syrup production. A good result is usually achieved with a content of up to 23%;
- gives color and aroma when heated.
HONEY
Differences in the composition of honey depend on the type of plants in the habitats of bees, but on average it contains approximately:
- 18% water;
- 38% fructose - inverted sugar;
- 31% grape sugar (glucose) - inverted sugar;
- 10% - complex sugars, minerals, organic acids and vitamins;
- 3% - enzymes (or enzymes), hormones, gluconic acid, dyes and fragrances.
Honey gives the product its characteristic taste. The microorganisms in honey make it susceptible to fermentation. From a technical point of view, the comments regarding inverted sugar apply to honey.
FRUITOSE (FRUIT SUGAR OR LEVULOSE)
Sweetness coefficient - 130
- prevents crystallization;
- dissolves well;
- reduces water activity;
- enhances fruit flavor;
- has hygroscopicity;
- sensitive to temperature (caramelized).
LACTOSE
Sweetness factor - 27
- crystallizes well;
- reduces water activity;
- fixes aromas.
SORBITOL (E420)
Sweetness factor - 50
It occurs naturally in many types of ripe fruits: apples, pears, grapes, some berries, as well as in algae and spinach. It comes in two forms: powder and concentrate (70% substance). Usually, recipes use no more than 5 - 10%. If more than 3% is used, an equal amount of molasses should be removed from the recipe.
- prevents crystallization;
- possesses preserving and stabilizing properties;
- reduces water activity;
- hygroscopic;
- stabilizes moisture, prevents drying;
- creates a cooling effect;
- withstands high temperatures. At temperatures in the range of 150 - 170 & # 186; C it turns brown;
- resistant to acids, enzymes and heat up to 140 & # 186; C.
From the Chocolatier website




To the heap for the rest of the sugars
Other sweeteners
NATURAL
FRUITS
Many fruits contain sugar, more often fructose. Processed can be included in recipes. For example, in fruit jelly, fruit paste and even ganache. In this case, some surface aromas disappear during the production process.
MAPLE SYRUP
Produced from Canadian maple sap. Contains about 34% water and 66% sugar.
PALM SUGAR
Dark sticky sugar with many flavors. Derived from the juice of various types of sugar palm, each of which gives sugar its own flavor.
CARBON POWDER
Sweetness coefficient - 0.50 - 0.60
A product made from roasted and powdered carob pods with a taste and smell reminiscent of cocoa.
CANE SUGAR (YELLOW SUGAR)
After grinding the mixture of cane and palm oil, sap is released, which solidifies in the molds. Cane sugar has a characteristic, spicy flavor and is often used in Indonesian cuisine.
DATE SYRUP
Made from sugar-rich dates. It is a dark syrup with a neutral flavor.
DATE SUGAR
Unrefined or semi-refined sugar from the juice of date palms. Has a characteristic strong caramel flavor.
ASH SUGAR
Produced from the juice of sugar ash - a tree with a height of 6 to 8 meters, which grows mainly in Sicily and southern Europe. The sap flows out of a crack in the trunk and branches.
AGAVA SYRUP
Agave syrup, which grows naturally in Mexico, is obtained from the juice of the heart of this plant. The sweetness is higher than that of sucrose. Contains 23 - 25% water.
STEVIA
Produced from the leaves of stevia, a perennial shrub of the Aster family. According to various sources, it is 100 to 300 times sweeter than sugar.
SUGAR SUBSTITUTES
The application of these components must be supported by the necessary knowledge. It is recommended to use them in minimal quantities.
INULIN
100% organic matter that is extracted from chicory root due to its ability to dissolve in warm water. Although inulin is sugar, it does not taste sweet. This creamy white mass is an ideal fat substitute and filler. Inulin is low in calories and fibrous. It is mainly used in conjunction with a sweetener and / or sweetener.
POLYDEXTROSE (E1201)
Fat substitute and filler.
SUGAR ALCOHOLS
MANNIT
A natural sweetener found in all types of vegetables. Has a light sweet taste, no aftertaste. Daily consumption should not exceed 15 g, since it has a laxative effect.
XYLIT
A natural sweetener found in all types of vegetables and fruits. As sweet as sucrose without the aftertaste. Daily consumption should not exceed 20 g, as it has a laxative effect.
ISOMALT
The main sweetener. Has a strong sweetness (0.45). The only sugar substitute directly derived from sugar beets. Isomalt has some special characteristics: it is acceptable for diabetics and non-hygroscopic, in addition, it prolongs the shelf life for some formulations. Not subject to Maillard reaction. Since the sweetness of isomalt is half that of sucrose, it is mainly used in combination with strong sweeteners such as ACESULFAM K.
MALTIT (maltodextrin, molasses)
The main sweetener. Produced by hydrogenation (hydrolysis) of maltose (starch). The sweetness is slightly lower than that of sucrose (0.9). Temperature stable.
Lactitis
Artificial sweetener. Made from milk sugar (lactose). Sweetness - 0.4, has a sugar taste, no aftertaste.
ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS
Some artificial sweeteners are not sweet enough so additional sweeteners need to be added. However, it is important to consider that high doses of sugar alcohols act as a laxative and can lead to health complications.
ACESULFAM K
Sweetness coefficient - 200
A major human-made sweetener. It is heat-resistant up to 225 ° C and is therefore primarily suitable for cooking and baking.
CYCLAMATE
Sweetness coefficient - 30
Artificial sweetener.
SACCHARIN
Sweetness coefficient - 300 - 500
Artificial sweetener.
ASPARTAM
Sweetness coefficient - 200
Artificial sweetener. Its chemical composition can be harmful to humans, which is why products containing aspartame should be labeled with a phenylanine warning.





To summarize, if you are not going to store for a long time, you can get by with one glucose





: lol: Oh, I'm a lohushkaaaaaaaaaaa. I zhezh thinking, sho I'm in chocolate sweets. Lost))))) But all the same, the principle of action of sugars is the same. Keep the marmalade for a long time - add other sugars
toffee
Where to get glucose?
4er-ta
iris. ka, Irina, usually there is glucose in the confectioner's shop.
zvezda
Tatyanahow good it is that the topic has come to life! I have been using this recipe for 10 years now and have been making marmalade, of course, I slightly changed the proportions and composition .. Tanya, I have glucose in powder, also from cond. store, then how ?!




Elena, floksovodik, and you are not ashamed to exhibit such a beauty ??! It’s good that I didn’t see looking at night .. I would be worn out all over! It's not enough for us Tanya, Angela, etc., and you are still on my aching head: girl_cray1: I want chocolate marmalade I will torture when I start making
I reread the topic and right to tears, what kind of environment and communication was there before ?! No one swore, did not wave sticks .. even if a different recipe was posted in the subject, everyone was calm about it, but now .. right now everyone ... thinks himself someone and indicates where and what to say .. they just began to forget that this is a FORUM! Not a tech site! And not a cookbook.
toffee
Quote: 4er-ta

iris. ka, Irina, usually there is glucose in the confectioner's shop.
Damn it .. at such moments you regret that you do not live in the city.
But according to the original recipe, there is no glucose.So we will cook using it.
floksovodik
Nah, glucose in the filling means 43% syrup. And I can't bear the torture. I'll give up right away and lay out the turnout passwords
zvezda
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I cannot bear torture. I'll give up right away and lay out the turnout passwords
about
STE good!
And what, with dry it will not work? Or .. I don't even remember why and why I bought it
floksovodik
Quote: zvezda
right everyone ... imagines himself to be someone
Did I miss something? Where? It seems like I was reading Temka, but running ... If I am peaceful I don't swear, I don't fight




zvezda, No, the syrup is used as an anti-crystallizer, to impart plasticity and increase the shelf life. These saints do not have glucose powder
zvezda
Elena, yes it's not here .. not about this topic, but in general in other places, on the contrary, I read it, I remembered how it was BEFORE it was class-best! No stress ..
floksovodik
I forgot about glucose! It's not so sweet with her. Its sweetness coefficient is lower than that of sucrose. And what prevents you from cooking with invert? Boil the syrup. Anti-crystallization will remain, as a result, an increase in storage. BUT! Sweetness Invert syrup is sweeter than glucose. So it will be sweet
zvezda
Elena, I can't remember why I bought it ..: girl_cray1: after all, I wanted something and what?
4er-ta
Quote: zvezda
Tanya, I have powdered glucose, also from cond. store, then how ?!
Olya, glucose in powder, this is dextrose (if I'm not mistaken). With dextrose, I only made a neutral glaze.
Quote: zvezda

I can't remember why I bought it ..: girl_cray1: I wanted something and what?
Maybe for candy, ice cream, frosting?
floksovodik
She still goes to candy fillings to bind free liquid




Ladies, but I'm dull today. Given - I love to shove the Match everywhere. I want marmalade. So green! Chlorophyll natural dofig !. Question What would marmalade match make? On lemon juice, rip out your eye. Lactic? Coconut milk? Chota want a transparent one. Well, I'm stupid today, but my soul wants new products!
zvezda
Elena, and on lychee class will be! A pineapple? And I haven't bought these matches yet, but I have to make a recipe for tartlets on it .. where to buy? We have to look .. what is the normal price for him?
floksovodik
Exactly! I prepared lychee puree. Only it is necessary to somehow calculate the pectin. And the pineapple should fit. You have to try it out. I bought a match in a supermarket for pastry chefs 150 g 500 r, but it ended long ago and they have not been on sale for a long time. Then a friend in Moscow somewhere bought me 100 g for 450 r, lighter. Mine was more olive. I made body candies with him the other day, delicious. Ice cream, marshmallows, biscuits, cream - I shove it everywhere))) And what truffles!
zvezda
Elena, ahhh don't beat me up! he's so expensive! There are also different ones .. see for yourself
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found with free shipping for 290 r -50gr!
floksovodik
zvezda, It is very expensive! It goes a little, for a long time.




Premium for a pastry shop is a waste. Normal will do. Premium is good for tea, for a drink




I want an indecent Clitoria. But the toad doesn't agree yet. Somewhere I saw much cheaper. But sometimes I dull vigilance like a toad, and she agrees to different things. Pistachio flour and beans Tonka agreed for one or two. so little by little I buy expensive, but I NEED
zvezda
I found it cheaper, I finished it .. but I'll think about it again!
floksovodik
Quote: zvezda
for 290 r -50gr!
it's not cheap anyway. But against the background of those prices, yes with free shipping .... Worth. And for a sample of 50 g - for the eyes
4er-ta
floksovodik, Elena, I would not make a lychee match with tea, the lychee is very gentle, and the match will score it (but this is for my taste). I would make matcha with green apple puree. I made truffles - chocolate, green pistachio, matcha - I was not very happy and my homemade ones were not at all happy.
And Tonka beans are delicious with apricot.
floksovodik
4er-ta, Thank you. Granny Smith puree dofig. I just did it yesterday. I made truffles - ganache on white chocolate and Matcha, that's all. She also rolled in the Match. Everyone liked it




Lychee for me in a confectionery is a new fruit. I burst it like that. And here the action is long, and I bought it. I read that lychee is combined with raspberries.
4er-ta
floksovodik, I took milk + black + pistachio paste + matcha and rolled it in chopped pistachio (it went immeasurably) - a taste for an amateur.
floksovodik
Here I made mango-passionfruit marmalade. Like sugar-pectin in accordance with the table took everything. But it turned out not cut, but soft. to spread, the filling is the very thing. But I wanted rifled ones. Somewhere I got pierced
4er-ta
floksovodik, yes, lychee with raspberries and rose is good. Erme-Isfahan
floksovodik
4er-ta, try as my option. Dark chocolate clogs Matcha, I think. I can show a photo




Now I'll rip off the whole rose at the dacha)))) or a rosehip, the one that is not wild.
4er-ta
Elena, they do not really like mine, and I - this tea. I usually do everything strictly according to the recipe, I do not invent or change anything myself.
zvezda
Quote: floksovodik
I'll rip off the whole rose in the country)
And the neighbors too
I liked the combination of lychee - kr. currant. Lychee is sweetish, and currants muffle a little .. but with tea: girl-th: I never drink tea at all, I don't know how I taste? It would have cost 50 rubles, so it would not be a pity, but here it is necessary to think! But truffles are attractive.
Apple
Quote: 4er-ta
Olya, powdered glucose, this is dextrose (if I'm not mistaken).
There is also atomized glucose, it is also in powder. Usually used for ice cream and sorbets.
zvezda
Yes, like that's what, well, something from this! Glucose is grape sugar!
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