Melrose
definitely! came in handy already!
Vitaminо4ka
I bought a lid with holes (usually this is used for canning when you need to pour hot brine). Very comfortable lid. There is a sourdough on the table in the kitchen and covered with this lid until a crust forms and the smell of apples on the 4th day appeared, such soaked apples.
Za-za
I would like to hear the comments of the sourdough gurus
I baked rye bread (Darnitsky) I can't say that I am completely delighted, the roof is torn and in some kind of rags, but I did not let him see it for a long time, I baked the French bread program. But what's most interesting: the bread was baked on Saturday 28 September. closer to dinner. There was a pronounced bright sourness, there is nothing to compare to taste, but better than I did with fast yeast. Today is Monday, that is, the bread has practically lay for 3 days and what do you think? Such a funky taste turned out, even the aftertaste of caraway began to be felt, although it was not there. So the question is - is it because I have a young leaven and it ripened in bread, or is it a feature of leavened bread?
Za-za
Quote: Melrose

definitely! came in handy already!
polugal
good afternoon! so I put the eternal rye leaven ... the first day worked with a bang !!! the rise was 2.5 times ... mixed in 1.5 liters. jar ... there was a fear that on the second day he would run away, so it happened ... five hours after feeding, the leaven ran away ... after weighing the contents, it was determined that 80 grams had escaped ... well, everything happened at night, in the morning it costs settled, smelling of mash, just cleaned and washed the outside of the jar, mixed the contents and put it in a warm place ... until the last, third, feeding for another 14 hours and I decided to do it by the hour.
Please tell me if I'm doing everything right?
I have read only 40 pages in the topic so far, but I will read the whole topic completely ... I WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING !!!
Thanks in advance to everyone for the feedback.
Vitaminо4ka
Wait for what more knowledgeable people will tell you.
But I think you are doing the right thing. My sourdough also settled on the second day and even after the third feeding did not rise much, but on the fourth day it rose. I was not standing in a warm place, but simply in the kitchen, but I have 24 degrees here.
It can only take a larger jar, otherwise if suddenly it ripens for 5-6 days, then there will already be a lot of it and it will definitely run away from your 1.5 liter.
polugal
after a night escape, by the end of the second day in a warm place, the leaven again started working and rose by about 0.5 ...
in the evening, as always, I fed by the clock and noticed again quite intensive work ... before going to bed I interfered and in the middle of the night I got up stirring for fear that he would run away again ... the rise was twice thinking if in the morning it would be the same, then probably I will put on the bread, but in the morning the rise was not strong enough for baking ... I decided to leave it and feed it again by the hour on the fourth day ...
How can I guess and what to do to see a strong enough leaven in the morning?
polugal
I fed it yesterday at 21-00 as usual (100x100) on the fourth day ... at 22-30 the leaven had already doubled, but only an hour and a half had passed ... I decided to urgently put bread ... there was only enough wheat flour in abundance and for some reason decided to bake French bread according to the recipe of HP Panasonic
I loaded 200g into a bucket. starter cultures 300g. wheat flour c. with., h. l. salt and 50g. butter. IT'S ALL!
I kneaded for 10 minutes and went to bed ... every hour I woke up all night and watched the dough rise ...
as a result, by 6 o'clock in the morning there was half a bucket of dough ... pulled out a bucket from the HP and put it on the battery ... at 7-00 the test was already 3/4 bucket ... because there was no time to wait any longer yes and is already on the rise 8h. 30 minutes.put on baking 1 hour ...
the bread has not increased anymore, the roof is neither convex nor sunken (flat), the taste is wonderful ...
now I will first analyze the reasons (mistakes) why the bread did not turn out the way it should be French, and then I wait for answers if I think correctly ...
so...
1.the leaven is very young and it was still necessary to wait at least 2.5 hours before mixing
2. rye sourdough and wheat is desirable for French bread
3. wheat flour c. from. and the first grade was better
4.It was probably necessary to keep a bucket of dough on the battery immediately after kneading
In general, I'm probably happy with my first sourdough bread ... I didn't spoil it ...
and the leaven continued to rise until morning and in the morning it smelled like real apples ...
I ask you to analyze my actions and mistakes ...
I read the topic every single page ... I read it for six days
Viki
polugal, congratulations on your first child!
Let me comment a little:

Quote: polugal

1.the leaven is very young and it was still necessary to wait at least 2.5 hours before mixing
Here, in my opinion, there is no mistake at all, because I constantly practice the formula "doubled - in batch". And the fact that she is young, it was most likely difficult for her to cope with 50 g of oil. But she did it.
Quote: polugal

2. rye sourdough and for French bread, preferably wheat
For French it is desirable wheat, and on rye you get bread "based on the French".
Quote: polugal

3. wheat flour c. from. and the first grade was better
And here is a matter of taste. Until you try it, you won't know which is better.
Quote: polugal

4.It was probably necessary to keep a bucket of dough on the battery right after the kneading
This will also need to be verified empirically. So .... there is still work to be done.
Quote: polugal

I read the topic every single page ... I read it for six days
Wow! Your leaven is clearly in good hands. Good luck to you!
polugal
Viki thank you ... this is what I wanted to hear ... today I bribed rye flour, and the sourdough at home is in the corner and just asks for baking, for 16.5 hours it has been raised three times and does not think to drop ... the temperature in this place at night it was about 11gr. C, and now about 15g ...
thanks again. I am looking for a rye bread recipe.
Vitaminо4ka
polugal what a fine fellow you are. Congratulations on your lucky bread.
I'm still somewhere on the topic pages, I don't have time to read, but I have a small child
I overfed the rye into wheat bread and put on wheat bread, we will feed the pigeons again. The bread did not rise, I cannot calculate the proofing time, I was afraid so as not to overexpose, but I did not see it at all. I feel that the brick will taste. But it was a pity to throw out the dough, so I think I'm already baking to feed the birds at least with the child.
Holovar
Hello. my eternal rye leaven for a month. after feeding in the refrigerator, it grows 2 times in 6 hours, and after another 6 it begins to fall off. Do I need to feed her again if I'm not going to bake yet? and why is it growing so fast? in the refrigerator 10 degrees. thank you in advance.
Lanier
Quote: Za-za

Hi, I'm certainly not a pro yet in sourdough. Itself has just begun to grow. Sourdough needs 30 * approximately. If you are already heating the stove, then you can put it on the stove, and if it is very hot, then put something under the bottom of the can. And then it will be baked again

za-za very much, thank you. But my stove is an old high ceiling height of 3m80cm ... And the top of the stove is slightly lower. You can't put anything there. Good luck and health.
Vitaminо4ka
Tell me, the wheat flour sourdough is in the refrigerator and it has stratified: the bottom is thick, the top is water. Is she still alive or is she disposed of already?
The rye leaven stands and bubbles, that is, it behaves differently.
Viki
Quote: Vitaminо4ka

Tell me, the wheat flour sourdough is in the refrigerator and it has stratified: the bottom is thick, the top is water. Is she still alive or is she disposed of already?
The rye sourdough stands and bubbles, that is, it behaves differently.
Alive, of course! As long as the water above is alive. She can even breathe underwater. But he does not feel very well.
Just drain the excess water gently, add a little flour, stir and hold it on the table for at least an hour. Then you can send it back into the cold.
Melrose
Viki, tell me, what if you bake wheat bread on rye sourdough, but the bread will definitely have a sour taste?
Viki
Quote: Melrose

Viki, tell me, what if you bake wheat bread on rye sourdough, but the bread will definitely have a sour taste?
If the oven is in a bread maker, it will. With the start of baking, the temperature at which the sourdough gains acid is just like that. If you put it in the oven at once at 230 - 250 degrees, and even add a couple, and even not overshoot before this, then it is a completely different matter.
Melrose
AHA !!! ?? You just opened my eyes! just turned my whole idea of ​​baking! Thank you very much! Here is the truth grandma said: "Live and learn, you will die a fool!"
polugal
another question has ripened ...
There are many recipes for bread with the addition of, say, French sourdough or just two sourdoughs, for example 150g. French and 150gr. hoppy ...
So if the same recipe is prepared but only on one rye or wheat leaven, what will be the end results? Or maybe it won't work at all? Is it possible to replace one starter with another in a recipe?
ang-kay
Hello everybody. Yesterday I put the first leaven in my life. Stood for a day. I fed everything normally. I put it on again. She tripled in 2 hours. I fed again, tripled. This is on the second day! What should I do with her next? Feed again or is it ready to use? I keep it in the oven with the light on at 34 degrees. Maybe it's the temperature? How much should I feed her?
Viki
Quote: ang-kay

I keep it in the oven with the light on at 34 degrees.
Why 34 degrees? This is a lot.
Several colonies of bacteria should develop in the starter culture. The most numerous are yeast and lactic acid. At low temperatures, some die, at high temperatures, others. For the successful removal of the starter culture above 30 degrees is undesirable. And "eternal" is great at room temperature. With my "about 25" there were no punctures.
ang-kay
Quote: Viki

Why 34 degrees? This is a lot.
For the successful removal of the starter culture above 30 degrees is undesirable. And "eternal" is great at room temperature. With my "about 25" there were no punctures.
Somewhere here I read that from 30 to 40 degrees. On the site, I mean. Well, I threw out that leaven. I am growing a new one. The first one is on rye flour, and I feed it with whole grain wheat. It's worth the third day. Only today I saw that she got up. The temperature found 28 degrees. The one at 34 was seething, and this one was calm. As I understood from the topic, I need to feed it again, wait for it to grow up, divide it and can I bake it right away or feed one half, and the other for storage? I would be glad. if someone answers. Otherwise, my first experience will remain an experience.
Viki
Quote: ang-kay

As I understood from the topic, I need to feed it again, wait for it to grow up, divide it and can I bake it right away or feed one half, and the other for storage?
Usually on the 5th - 6th day the leaven is already quite active and ready to go into action. Focus on lifting twice. If he lifts himself twice, then the bread is three times or more.
When it grows up, you can put the required amount into the dough. From what remains, take a little for storage. How do you plan to store it? If in the refrigerator, then I would advise to feed her for two days at room temperature. She will get stronger well. Although, this is not necessary. It's just that I usually do that and it seems to me that she's getting stronger, as it were.
ang-kay
Quote: Viki

Usually on the 5th - 6th day the leaven is already quite active and ready to go into action. Focus on lifting twice. If he lifts himself twice, then the bread is three times or more.
When it grows up, you can put the required amount into the dough. From what remains, take a little for storage. How do you plan to store it? If in the refrigerator, then I would advise to feed her for two days at room temperature.She will get stronger well. Although, this is not necessary. It's just that I usually do that and it seems to me that she's getting stronger, as it were.
Today is the fourth day, and it seems to me that she rose three times. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. but I do a lot of it. I started from 100 to 100. Then I stirred 100 * 100 * 100 and added to the remainder. And the third time the same procedure. Now I'll take the recipe for the bread and feed the rest. Maybe I’m still going to bake early?
Viki
Quote: ang-kay

Today is the fourth day, and it seems to me that she rose three times.
Maybe I’m still going to bake early?
If it rose so well, this is the first sign of readiness. So you can bake.
Good luck to you and your assistant!
Let's wait for the first sourdough bread
ang-kay
Quote: Viki

If it rose so well, this is the first sign of readiness. So you can bake.
Good luck to you and your assistant!
Let's wait for the first sourdough bread
Thank you. The bread turned out. I liked it very much. Can I insert a photo here or in the recipe for which baked? Now I would like to decide on the storage of the leaven.
Viki
Quote: ang-kay

Can I insert a photo here or in the recipe for which baked?
If baked according to a recipe from the forum, then it is better in the subject of the recipe. The author will be pleased to see your first child. And in this thread we will insert a link where to see your bread on this leaven:
that's how handsome it turned out
Well, congratulations! Good luck with your bread!
Kl-ena
Good afternoon to all sourdough lovers! I have been baking bread with "eternal" leaven for more than six months now. But recently I discovered that the bread during storage (already on the 3rd day) began to become covered with white dots. And the entire surface of the leaven is also in white dots. What to do? What about the leaven, is it lost or can it be saved?
Viki
Quote: Kl-ena

... found that the bread during storage (already on the 3rd day) began to become covered with white dots. And the entire surface of the leaven is also in white dots. What to do?
Start a new leaven. Perhaps something "wrong" got into it. With flour, most likely, if not fed with fermented milk products. Not worth the risk.
svk222
Girls, help me deal with the bread. I put the sourdough on wheat flour, immediately added a little milk for sourness. The first days she "slept". And on the fourth she threw herself into growth. So even for the third time after sedimentation, it immediately took off under the lid of the can. The smell is alcohol-vinegar.
She began to make bread for joy. According to different recipes.
1. Toast - instantly sourdough-dough-baking
2. I don’t remember, but I spent the night in the refrigerator, lost gluten (I experimented with mixing, overdid it) - and it was spent on pancakes.
3. Basic starter starter Peter Reinhart, spent the night dough, the dough doubled in 2, after kneading in 3 hours.
And 1st and 3rd bread with very heavy and gray !? crumb. The pulp breaks when cutting. I remembered for a long time what it reminded me - 2-grade bread from the times of stagnation. First of all, I would blame the flour, but I bought two 2kg packs at the same time. And Basic yeast bread with this flour turns out flawlessly.
My guys, who grind half a loaf of yeast bread right away in honor of the fact that they have cooled down, ignore the sourdough bread.
I really want to learn how to bake sourdough bread, because the doctor "does not recommend" me a fresh yeast bread for the pancreas. But how can I make it as crisp white and lace as your reports? what's wrong?
Thanks for the help.
svk222
Thanks to Google and this forum, the question has been removed)))
Out on a message from Lulek "Samples of normal quality molded bread made from wholemeal rye flour.
Characteristics of the products. "I had at least two reasons for the increased acidity. Today the leaven has calmed down, stopped smelling sharply, and took into account the mistakes ... And the bread turned out! Light, soft, tender!
Vasilinushka
Luca, thanks. She used to make eternal leaven. On Then I tried several times to make a new one, but nothing came of it. I'll try again from rye flour.
Kiwi
Hello! Please tell me, can you feed the sourdough with oatmeal? And buckwheat flour? If yes, in what proportions?
Viki
Quote: Kiwi

Please tell me, can you feed the sourdough with oatmeal? And buckwheat flour?
It is better to feed the sourdough with rye, wheat or a mixture of rye and wheat flour. Then it will be well stored and give a confident result. It is better to add lard and buckwheat flour when kneading the dough.
Vitaly Khan
Anyone have any successful experience of storing starter culture in the freezer? I tried it once for the sake of experiment, I died 100%. kind of logical.
but on the Internet there was an opinion that it was possible.
Valeria 12
Girls, in the technology of making eternal leaven from Luke, there is no description of the third day in the description of the third day - how much flour is needed for feeding. I think it's also 100 grams or not? And ideally, do we feed the rye sourdough with rye flour, or no difference? I read half of the 90 pages of the topic - how complicated everything is

This will be my first leaven - so I gore everyone with questions
Viki
Valeria 12, the third day does not differ from the second. Add 100 g flour and 100 g water and be patient. It may take a fourth day and a fifth. It all depends on the quality of the flour. Will double - ready.
Ideally, feed with rye flour. To get wheat "eternal" leaven - you need to take a part of rye and feed it with wheat flour 1: 1: 1 three times, leaving a third each time. This is not difficult.
tatjanka
Valeria, the third day, feed the same 100g. And I can't say anything about the rye sourdough, I have wheat. But I also make rye bread on it.
Valeria 12
tatjanka, Viki - Thank you
Quote: Viki


Ideally, feed with rye flour. To get wheat "eternal" leaven - you need to take a part of rye and feed it with wheat flour 1: 1: 1 three times, leaving a third each time. This is not difficult.
This is not difficult for a specialist. And I still did not understand how it is three times and leave a third.
tatjanka
If I understood correctly, then after each feeding, leave a third of the starter culture and re-feed. So that a bucket of leaven does not work out.
Valeria 12
And how to use the extra 2/3 of the semi-finished starter culture?
tatjanka
And in any way, it is all the same in the end that much is not needed. I understand that it's a pity, but we all went through this.
Vitaly Khan
Remind, please, under which version of the ferment ripening it has a lower acidity as a result:
- when slow in a cold place
- when fast in warm?

I realized about the aroma that it was richer in the first version.
Viki
Quote: Vitaly Khan

remind, please, under which version of the ripening of the starter it has a lower acidity in the end
It's not the temperature that matters. If you take 50 g of sourdough, add 50 g of water and 50 g of flour, in another container 20 g of sourdough + 50 g of water and 50 g of flour, in the third 10 g of sourdough + 50 g of water and 50 g of flour, then at the same ripening temperature the first will ripen earlier, the last later than everyone else, but at the time of ripening the first will have the highest acidity, the second will have less, the third will have the minimum.
Vitaly Khan
Thank you! very interesting! just looking for a way to get the least acidic sourdough for wheat bread.
and if we compare the ripened starter culture 50 g + top dressing (50 + 50) slow proofing (18C) and 10 g starter culture + top dressing (50 + 50) quick proofing in a warm place (27-28C), then the second one is also guaranteed to be less acidic?
Viki
Quote: Vitaly Khan

... looking for a way to get the least acidic sourdough for wheat bread.
I keep wheat now and for my favorite wheat bread I feed a spoonful of sourdough with 200 g of water, 200 g of flour and leave it overnight. Not sour. Even on condition that I feed with flour of 1 grade, 2 grades or their mixture. Take a look right here

Quote: Vitaly Khan

and if we compare the ripened starter culture 50 g + top dressing (50 + 50) slow proofing (18C) and 10 g starter culture + top dressing (50 + 50) quick proofing in a warm place (27-28C), then the second one is also guaranteed to be less acidic?
To be honest, I don’t know this.
I told about the experiment that I myself conducted, I even measured the acidity and took pictures, but after repairing the computer, the folder with the pictures was destroyed, and now there is nothing to measure.
Unless it tastes good. If you try and compare, please tell us it is very interesting.
dogsertan
Quote: Viki

It's not the temperature that matters.If you take 50 g of sourdough, add 50 g of water and 50 g of flour, in another container 20 g of sourdough + 50 g of water and 50 g of flour, in the third 10 g of sourdough + 50 g of water and 50 g of flour, then at the same ripening temperature the first will ripen earlier, the last later than everyone else, but at the time of ripening the first will have the highest acidity, the second will have less, the third will have the minimum.

Vika, let me disagree with you. First of all, it is the temperature that affects the quality of the starter: the higher the temperature of the starter, the more lactic acid bacteria, less yeast, respectively, the lifting force of the dough is less, the acidity is higher. The optimum temperature for starter culture is 26-27C.
Viki
Quote: dogsertan

The optimum temperature for starter culture is 26-27C.
I totally agree. Only here we are talking about the leaven that has already been removed, or rather, about how to feed it in order to get the minimum acidity of the bread.
Vitaly Khan
Quote: dogsertan

... the more lactic acid bacteria, less yeast, respectively, the lifting force of the dough is lower, the acidity is higher. The optimum temperature for starter culture is 26-27C.
I understood you correctly, what you want to say, ICD determine the acidity of the leaven, and wild yeast - the rise of the dough?
But ferment experts argue that with constant storage of the ferment in the refrigerator, the ICD is inhibited (perish) in it, but the ferment can easily sour in the refrigerator. contradiction.

in my opinion, both those and others are involved in the rise and formation of acidity.
dogsertan
Quote: Vitaly Khan
ferment connoisseurs argue that with constant storage of the starter culture in the refrigerator, the ICD is inhibited (perish) in it, but the starter culture can easily sour in the refrigerator. contradiction.

The starter culture can be stored in the refrigerator (+4) for a very long time, you only need to refresh it once a week. Sourdoughs dominated by MCB are the most resistant to infections.
I bring to your attention questions and answers about ferments. The questions are answered by G.V. Ternovsky, Ph.D. Deputy Director of the St. Petersburg branch of the State Scientific Institution of the State Scientific Research Institute of the Bakery Industry of the Russian Academy of Agricultural Sciences. Grigory Valerievich has been deeply engaged in microbiology of a narrow focus for 12 years - as applied to the baking industry. In our vast country, there are literally a few specialists who deal only with this problem.

1. Does the way (method) of rye sourdough breeding affect its baking qualities?

Yes, it does. Temperature, humidity (dry matter content), i.e. amount of flour, consistency.
The higher the operating temperature, the higher the acidity, more lactic acid bacteria, less yeast, less carbon dioxide, low looseness.
The lower the humidity, the higher the acidity - there is less yeast than in a more liquid sourdough at the same temperature; lactic acid bacteria are about the same or slightly more than in a more liquid sourdough at the same temperature.

2. Will the composition of the microflora of the sourdoughs differ, produced by different methods, but using the same flour and water?

Depending on the temperature and humidity of the starter, microorganisms (lactic acid bacteria, yeast) for which these (different methods) conditions are optimal (or close to them) growth conditions will be dominant.

3. Can you recommend a basic method of sourdough removal, which will provide the sourdough that is the most suitable in microflora for baking rye bread, the most resistant to infection, the most unpretentious and the most long-lived when preserved? Is there such a method?

Leading temperature - 38-42 degrees, humidity - 63-70%, fermentation duration 12-24 hours. Renewal 1 (leaven): 1-3-5 (wheat nutrition) 1 (leaven): 3-9 (rye nutrition). The constant renewal of spontaneous starter culture will sooner or later lead to the replacement of the microflora of the starter culture with the microflora of flour introduced with nutrition.This method allows you to reduce the likelihood and "delay" the moment of displacement, because in this mode, ferment microflora prevails - lactic acid bacteria, which suppress weaker and acid-labile yeast with accumulating high acidity, and self-preserving weaker lactic acid bacteria introduced with flour upon renewal.

4. What is the main reason for the microbiological composition of the spontaneous fermentation starter culture?

Microbiological composition of grain and flour, from which a water-flour suspension is prepared. It also depends on the temperature of the feed, the moisture content of the starter, the quality of the flour in the nutrient mixture (chemical composition: minerals - the lower the grade, the higher, the enzymatic activity - grinding, grain quality.)

5. What sourdough, or what properties of the sourdough (or microbiological composition) determine the taste of Russian rye bread?

The taste of rye bread is determined by substances that accumulate during the fermentation of sourdoughs - lactic and acetic acid, alcohol (ethanol and other aromatic), aldehydes, volatile organic acids - propionic, formic, etc. Sourdoughs prepared in different ways - thick, liquid with brewing or without, thermophilic fermented tea leaves and other technologies used in industry have contributed to the formation of the taste and smell of "Russian rye bread".

6. To what extent and in what way can the starter cultures bred at home differ according to the same method, but in different regions, for example, in Russia, Germany and Canada?

They will differ in microflora, and, accordingly, in quality indicators (acidity, lifting force, ratio of LAB and yeast, content of lactic and other acids, alcohol), which in turn affect the quality of finished products.

7. What happens to the leaven that gets "permanently" from one region to another? The answer to this question will help us understand whether we should exchange leaven?

It's all about the flour used, different flour (grain) - different microflora - different quality sourdough. The leaven will be different.

8. What is the difference in chemical and microbiological composition between rye and wheat leavens?

On chemical - depending on the chemical. flour composition.
Microbiological:
- lactic acid bacteria: depending on humidity and temperature - in wheat and rye starter cultures prevail - thick: L. plantarum, L. brevis, L. paracasei; liquid: L. fermentum, L. casei, L. plantarum.
Yeast - wheat - mainly - S. cerevisiae; in rye, mainly C. milleri; and not significantly - S. cerevisiae, when using infusions mainly S. cerevisiae.

9. Are there conditions, the observance of which can guarantee a home baker to obtain a leaven, in which the lactobacilli necessary for baking Russian rye bread will dominate?

See above # 3. No guarantee. More likely to have a positive outcome.

10. We are accustomed (from practice) to believe that spontaneously fermented wheat sourdough freshly bred according to one method or another has certain unique qualities for this method, which disappear very quickly as soon as the sourdough undergoes cycles of conservation and de-conservation. The taste of wheat bread with such a sourdough, very rich with fresh sourdough, quickly depletes. The taste of rye bread on spontaneous fermentation rye sourdough is stable even with multiple cycles of preservation and re-preservation of the leaven.

In wheat, as well as in rye, during conservation, the microflora is stressed and the equilibrium combination of yeast and lactic acid bacteria is shifted, and, accordingly, the taste and aroma profile changes. Recovery takes time, or doesn't happen at all. In wheat, recovery is less likely than in rye due to differences in the chemical composition of wheat and rye flour, as well as the prevailing types of microorganisms.

eleven.Does this mean that wheat leaven is a more “tender” substance than rye, or is this a delusion? Or, after all, the microflora of rye leaven is capable of fundamentally changing the taste of bread and the preservation of the established symbiosis of microflora requires the same careful attitude as wheat leaven?

Wheat, usually characterized by less acidity than rye. And therefore, the probability of a change in its quality indicators is higher than that of rye. But this does not mean that she is more "gentle". Sourdough (wheat, rye) is a symbiosis of microorganisms that changes depending on temperature, concentration of food. substances, acidity. In wheat it is higher, more often due to the fact that there are less nutrients than in rye flour.

12. Are there methods (or criteria) for assessing the quality of a leaven, other than appearance and smell, that are acceptable to the home baker to help predict the result of baking using this leaven?

The behavior of spontaneous starter culture cannot be predicted.
Only with an objective (using instrumental methods) assessment of the quality of the sourdough, it is possible to predict its behavior and the final quality of bread. Subjectively, only a very well trained baker can draw conclusions about its quality by taste and smell and, accordingly, predict the outcome.

13. How does the composition of the starter change depending on the increase (decrease) in temperature and acidity of the substrate?

When the temperature rises to 40 ° C, it is better for lactic acid bacteria. More LAB, higher acidity, less yeast.
When reduced to 20-22 ° C, it is better for yeast. More yeast, more looseness, alcohol smell, less MCB.

14. Does it make sense to use pure cultures of yeast and LAB for starter culture at home?

Yes, if there is a possibility of acquisition, the consistency of quality and predictability of the outcome is much higher than when using a spontaneous leaven. But due to discreteness, periodic renewal from pure culture is required once a week, 2 weeks, depending on conditions.

15. Probably, the introduction of a pure culture of lactobacilli into the starter culture will give it unique and predictable properties. In your opinion, is it possible at home for a long time to preserve the starter culture for use on pure cultures?

The introduction will not give. Pure cultures should be introduced into the starter batching cycle and not into the existing starter culture. See # 14.

16. How justified is the method of converting rye sourdough into wheat and vice versa by overfeeding with appropriate flour?

Not justified, different microflora (see # 8), unpredictable quality.

17. Is it possible that the established dominant microflora in rye sourdough will "conflict" with wheat flour if it is overfed into wheat sourdough? For example, is it possible that well-established yeast strains in rye sourdough cannot multiply in wheat flour dough?

See # 16 and # 8. The yeast is different, the competition with the ICD for food is different; taste, smell changes significantly.

18. Are there any peculiarities in the sets of certain microorganisms in rye and wheat leavens?

See # 8

19. Does the microbiological composition of the starter culture change (if so, how) at elevated and low temperatures, for example, at + 30-32C or + 4-8C?

See # 13. At + 4-8 degrees, acidity increases - yeast is inhibited.


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