Ivan tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves) - master class

Lyudmila, thank you! doubts gone

Radushka, the fact of the matter is that such stems (just like flat sabers) come across (and in the photo as well) in ecologically clean areas, parks and reserves too! Yes, and all of these specimens have a very, very large cluster of leaves on top. The feeling that he will not release the whip for the inflorescences. And before, by the way, I have not seen them blooming.

Girls boys! Found it, sort of like a fireweed. Found it by chance - just arrived home, tired, not to say anything. ... For joy, I forgot everything. While hesitating, tell me briefly the algorithm. I'll try to read for now. And remove a lot of ticks from the husband and the dog. I got a little pound. Tomorrow we are going again from early morning. The main question is he ??? Stem at the very bottom with a rose

Skeleton under 90 *

There are no flowers yet, a broom on top. Moved all the leaves - they are the same - a goldenrod was growing nearby
I collected it, leaving 15 centimeters on top, it is generally inexpensive, waist-deep and below. Rare - above, found in a soooo deaf raspberry tree under the oak trees - I don't know how I got there



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So that I don't screw up such seagulls.
Asked-eyes run up what to do-hands or granules. ... I want a different one, I will probably start with granules (more familiar)
Refreshed the theory, it's still scary to mess up and spoil
Tomorrow I'll weigh - about a pound
1 will wither to a lump 2. Meat grinder (how many times?) The worst -3. fermentation, fold it into a flat 10cm not lower than the height, tamp it with your hand and cover it with a wet towel. : sorry: how much time should I ferment it? I'm afraid not to guess by the smell
Drying with pressed 150 20 minutes? And 60 * additional drying? Then in a pillowcase for a draft.
I have a tablet on the road and will not take it there - in the morning I will unsubscribe what happened with the screaming and unsubscribe upon arrival.
Special thanks to Radushka - this is her tip to 90 * Skeleton. It smells nice, though, maybe I was wrong with Ivanushka again. ... then, we will look for nothing again
Something I was so fussing about, but now I think, what have I collected? although it seems similar. ...

How tall! .. In what latitude (Greenwich Mean Time))) You live) He, dear. As you do, so be it! I wrote it right, but you can make it even more correct, the main thing is not to fuss and cool down.

[Citizen]

Citizen,: rose: finally, this is it! But after today's dog's 7 ticks on the head and ears and her falling into the ditch and pulling out these 1.5 kg of live weight, in short, an adventure! It would not be fair that it was not Ivanushka! And after all, it does not sit - it crawls into the thicket underfoot, and then the head is 10cm in diameter with a margin - and there too! She pulled out the ticks, crying loudly for the whole house, and it's already night. ..- the neighbors thought that we had the Gestapo here ... well, thank God that we found at least tomorrow we will not be sprayed, but we will shower ourselves with ticks, but we will collect the leaves, and we will conjure
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as I noticed him in that thicket, I myself don't understand, there is only goldenrod around, Ivanushka in the very depths

If someone had told me before that I would climb into such a jungle for grass-yes that a jungle-in general that I would climb for grass with such joy-would have nailed

I have started the first two tea-pieces of granular prefab and a drop of macho hair
But there was just a misunderstanding with fermentation and drying, since the raw materials were not dried out for about 40 minutes for the first and 30 second tea and not 1.5 hours ...
result:

method of frying fireweed.

And what kind of hot fireweed? and what kind of tea?
More questions -1. collected and found some strange - some leaves are twisted tightly back like a cocoon and it is either white or reddish, I was afraid to take it, although there are so many.
2. I found it already with buds - so, in addition to the leaves on the stem, they go like shoots, also with small leaves from below and to the crown (like a lateral shoot), not immediately at a time (you can cut off with your hand straight from the bottom up, these shoots cling, is this normal? Such a powerful trunk, and if you let it grow more, it will turn out like a bush, probably

Last year there were a lot of side shoots, before that and this season I have not yet met. One of the cases, if the leaf is curled is a pupa, if you unfold a leaf or a cocoon in a cobweb or snot.

[Citizen]

Citizen, I thought so, although there are leaves that cannot be expanded, as tightly as they are sealed. and a bushy look, a few stems of a pick, but they are soooo lush

Girls boys! During the night Vanechka withers - the question is - I made tea with 4 owl fermentation. Today you have to leave before nightfall and the fermentation time will be 12 hours, this is just the time of average fermentation, when, judging by the description, sourness will go in the taste. I understand that the question of fermentation is very individual, but ... I want to clarify this point - will my Vanechka turn sour alone, or throw him into the car - and control the process along the way, but vibration in the car will not harm him?

Girls boys! During the night Vanechka withers - the question is - I made tea with 4 owl fermentation. Today you have to leave before nightfall and the fermentation time will be 12 hours, this is just the time of average fermentation, when, judging by the description, sourness will go in the taste. I understand that the question of fermentation is very individual, but ... I want to clarify this point - will my Vanechka turn sour alone, or throw him into the car - and control the process along the way, but vibration in the car will not harm him?

Easier to put in the refrigerator. And at home already control everything. Fermentation is very slow in the refrigerator.

Macho did not work out (((hay-hay. I'll throw it away for "sleeping."

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I do not have time to dry Ivanushka, I should have dried it for another hour in the oven, but I already want to sleep
What do you think, leave it in the turned-off oven ajar overnight, or pour it into a bag right now and hang it up to air dry?

I would leave it, it still stays warm in the oven, it will drive out moisture faster.
I've just finished drying everything myself

[Topic C]

Topic C, Tyoma did just that
In the morning, I hung it out on the balcony.

Girls boys! two questions -1. What is the longest fermentation of Vanechka (made 4 hours, 12 and daily, all with frying). 2. If simmer, then how long (I plan 6-8 hours by 60 *) and whether to fry before drying, if so, then 150/20 -100 / 10-60 * is that good? Or directly into the dryer? I'm doing Vanechka for the first year, I want to try everything

Yesterday I ground Ivanushka for the first time in my life, today I will dry it in the oven, the minimum temperature is 100 C. How to dry it at the end? Just turn off the oven and leave the tea there? Who has experience?

How to finish drying at the end? Just turn off the oven and leave the tea there? Who has experience?

All experience is collected on the first page of the same topic, decorated with a recipe.

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Today, now I am preparing my first Ivan in a frying pan, fry for 15 minutes, and then a summer resident 4 into the infrared dryer, for drying.



I tried the first tea, fermented 24 hours, brewed, dark, and you know what it seemed to me? He pokes. This is normal? Who knows, Ivan's tea can poke. (Pins), slightly, slightly.?

[Clement]

Clement, and you definitely collected Ivan-tea?
But seriously, there are few substances left in the fermented leaf that can strongly affect the human body.Perhaps this is a special reaction of your body?

[Clement]

Clement, Clement, of course! Write it down! If it is necessary to make a joke, it is necessary to observe the minimum proportion - be sure to hot freshly brewed Ivan-tea (2 teaspoons per mug of boiling water and leave for 5-7 minutes) and add 25% cognac or whatever, if you need something to stick (exactly like that) -that, on the contrary, 75% alcohol and add tea to the top, look-do not mix it up!
If there is no effect, repeat.

I made different teas at a time, 6, 12, and 24 hours of fermentation, I tried everything, everything is so subtle, I don't understand these tricks. Probably right, you need to come to tea no earlier than a month later, he is not ready yet, not open. Do I get it right?. support

[Clement]

Clement, for me personally, the difference in teas of 6 and 24 hours of fermentation is sooooo noticeable! And in color, and in smell, and in taste. The first 6 hours of farms - grass with grass, brownish color, even after strong roasting. And 24 hours of farms. - excellent fruit-compote smell, color like black tea, richer taste.
But dry fermentation is important! We must wait.

Such a question, I first spent an hour in a frying pan, then sent it to the dryer to dry it out, and if the pan is excluded from the ritual (there is no oven) immediately into the dryer at 70 degrees, the infrared dryer dries well, so what result to expect? will you get seagulls without these 100 degree frying pan temperatures. anyone who has experience in tea making only email. dryer? : -



The fact is that in a pure dryer it is 70 degrees. I can make seagulls without going into the house. in the garage for example. not everyone saw my tea occupation. mine drives me out into the street with this tea. I'm not going to stop.

[Clement]

Clement, tea will turn out without roasting in the oven and without a frying pan, since the main thing is fermentation. But what kind of tea is the question. From experience I can say that there will be something like green or yellow tea. All for an amateur. I am not a fan of such herbaceous flavors, therefore I ferment all teas for a long time and fry at 150 gr. You need to try what you do and decide which tea you like as green, yellow-red-oolong, or black.
After all, tea can be dried in a skillet and in a garage: there are many different portable gas stoves with small cans on sale. Fried on a hotplate and in a dryer to dry.

Anastasia, spasio

[Clement]

ClementIf you allow advice, come to the topic of fermented teas from garden plants and make your wife some girl tea. For example, willow tea leaves 30%, raspberries 30%, strawberry or apple or grape or lemongrass leaves 30%, alder 10% and rosehip petals a couple of large handfuls. Surely your wife will like it and she will be more supportive of your tea experiments!

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Good advice. but for now I would have to deal with Ivan well. A stalemate, yes. you can also from. To stir up the gardeners. Today I took 4 buckets of Ivan, along the forest Ivan in the shade of more delicate leaves, soft soft, not like in the field, hard. probably the seagulls will differ from the field Ivan. need to try.

Hard leaves in the field are my dream. They make the most delicious tea for me - tart, almost without a herbal aftertaste, but with fruit-compote notes. From young leaves, tea with a honey flavor is more often obtained.
Good luck with tea making!

Look how it means everyone Ivan is good. need to try

will you get seagulls without these 100 degree frying pan temperatures. anyone who has experience in tea making only email. dryer?

Clement, it will work! Last year, at times I only had a dryer, also infrared, "summer resident" available. I put it to the maximum right away, and then how it goes, an hour or two at the maximum, then dry drying at a lower temperature. Time will depend on weight, layer thickness, etc. I did it as a sheet, if anything, I won't say about the granules.
There is a difference, without frying the tea has a softer taste, not so rich, or something. I also tried in a cast-iron frying pan, but I didn't succeed with it.Then I did frying only in the oven, or even without it.

Hard leaves in the field are my dream. They make the most delicious tea for me

Agree!
And even from very late red leaves, although with caution I did it at first. Great came out!

Alena, the dryer is a summer resident, yes, cool, helps out. but I keep the whole drying at the maximum, I do not slow down, but what is the point, 70 grams of everything, sushi and sushi to the victorious.

Alena, the dryer is a summer resident, yes, cool, helps out. but I keep the whole drying at the maximum, I do not slow down, but what is the point, 70 grams of everything, sushi and sushi to the victorious.

And also an option.
Do you make a sheet or a meat grinder?

And also an option.
Do you make a sheet or a meat grinder?

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first in a frying pan, then sent to the dryer to dry,

Clement, when I didn't have an oven at my dacha, I fried Ivanushka in a frying pan, the result was not very pleasing, and for a long time, you need to mix it constantly, and then fry it in an airfryer at 60-70 degrees, a completely different result. If you have somewhere to dry at 70 degrees, then to your health. Fry it in a skillet and transfer it to the dryer.
By the way, my Macho, this year. May, I put it in a pillowcase and just left it in the hall, in a basket. Yesterday I came home from the dacha (I did not come for a month) I open the door, and the apartment has such a delicious Ivanushka smell that I ran to sniff the pillowcase))))) No one lives at home, the air does not circulate, and this is the result.



I'm all going to sell three-year-old Ivanushka, but it's all a pity somehow))))) I already wrote that my husband did not like this tea, although his eczema began to pass, but he is so fragrant that he cannot drink it and I I do not drink, because when I brew it he still sniffs.

It was like this, I twisted Ivan in the meat grinder, took him in the shed, he lay there dried up, and so I confused the dried Ivan with fresh, scrolled and did not notice, and when the time came to dry, I smell something wrong, in all the pots it smells of flowers ( I use it in pots for a multicooker) and in this grass with grass, and threw it into the compost heap. And what do you think. now when I walk past the compost heap, it smells of FLOWERS, and not like before (ew).



Lyudmila. and what to regret then, sell three-year-old Ivan if you know to whom where and where, leave yourself to stay a little longer up to 4x 5, etc. to see what will happen to him when he is even more mature. Another option is to mix it with newly prepared teas (I would do that), the surplus can again be sold. WHY your seagulls if not a secret

WHY your seagulls if not a secret

There is no secret, because I do not know, I have never sold. After all, I cooked for myself and this year Macho navayala, but we cannot drink for the above reasons. Who will give how much?))))) I still have a white-pink one, also a three-year-old, in May it was.

If I have 10 kg of excess tea, then it is quite possible to sell on the market in the winter in Moscow, not everyone has the opportunity to prepare Ivan, but he is like that, well, in general, I don't drink coffee now, I drink Ivan.

WHY your seagulls if not a secret

In foreign countries, Ivan-tea is sold at 5 euros for 30g. So consider how much it costs. Tea from Vologda.

But is it possible to produce Ivanushka in a high-quality manner in large-scale production, observing all the stages of preparation, cooking, probably not, so I think and they shove currants, linden-like, etc. into Ivan tea, looking at the packs in supermarket stores. behind the name with currants, linden, etc., flavors can easily hide. most those who tried the purchased tea responded in favor of their own.

[Clement]

Clement, there are no flavors in my purchased tea. One bag of pure Ivan-tea. the second with sea buckthorn. But there the sea buckthorn berries are also visible dry.

the majority of those who tried the store-bought tea responded in favor of their own.

It is difficult for me to object to something, because I never planned to make my own tea, especially since I have never met Ivan-tea in our area.Maybe he is somewhere, but not in our area.

But is it really possible to produce Ivanushka in a high-quality manner in large-scale production, observing all stages of procurement, cooking, probably not

I agree. I have tried pure fireweed drinks from several major manufacturers. None of them came to my taste, rather they pushed aside at one time, causing bewilderment why users on the network praise this fermented and dried sour so much? All had a taste of sour raw materials, a silage smell, the villagers know this smell from industrial silo pits. And if literally after a short amount of time I had not tried hand-made teas, by the way, from our forum, I would most likely have lost interest in the tea topic.
Only tea made by hand, in small batches, deserves the title of TEA. The rest is tea drinks.

The fifth day I drink tea And - a clear manifestation of diarrhea. Lightweight. It will or will pass. The body will tune in to the gulls or not, I would like to know. I liked Ivan, I would have drank and drank, but I don't know what to think.

[Clement]

Clement, your body is successfully cleansing, so the excess went faster to the exit, the effect is not constant, as the body gets used to it, everything is normalized.
And the tea is no longer poking? Are you getting used to it?

Anastasia. No, it doesn’t poke around, apparently then it brewed tightly, and I was tired of this and had such an effect. CLEANING is interesting, I quit smoking a year ago, and from that moment on for a year I have been running for an hour every other day, both in summer and winter, and then CLEANING Ivan with tea. generally great if so. Well, if the symptoms of diarrhea do not go away, well, I will add an oak leaf to fix it, but I came up with great

Girls, boys, I thought to unsubscribe later, when there would be more time, but now I'm drying the party and it doesn't seem to dry so quickly, I will have time to ask. There was a vanechka - it was necessary to collect quickly - the leaves down, the tops from the boxes - up and the trunk remains. Withered, began to twist the tops - on a small lattice everything is clogged completely, apparently from the top starchy stems and boxes, which are already on the platoon. ... (Although white-pink and fluffy in the separation it spun well) Spun the second time again on large -granules came out excellent, strong, drying-frying-as usual, only in time a little longer, apparently due to the size of the granules. Has anyone made tea from vershoks? And this size, on a large lattice? While I have one trial batch, we'll take a look. small leaves, boxes, flowers and the tops themselves went to the tops.

This year, I played the first batch of Ivanushka 2.5 kg on a grid - "eight", that one. which is used for coarse chopping of meat or lard for ham. So it was much easier to twist. I scrolled Ivanushka twice. The first time on a coarse wire rack, and the second time after fermentation on a fine wire rack. It is much easier to re-twist, and most importantly, the whole ivanushka turns out to be beautiful granules.

Alevtina, interesting advice, I'll try it tomorrow, I have a drying tomorrow, for the first time I played it on a large one, and I have two smaller ones, medium and the smallest, on which of them? I will dry 12kg of Ivan.



I also want beautiful granules, atoms are large while the dry mesh is crumbled

[Clement]

Clement, I twist on a large one for the first time, the second time I change the nozzle to a smaller one - but I have 2 round nozzles for a meat grinder, the third is a bean, for sausages - I never used it - the granules are obtained only for smaller ones, they seem to be compacted and occupy a smaller volume. I plan to make a stewed vanechka - I must also make a 3L jar - for testing and comparison.