kVipoint
A.lenka, Thanks for the clarification
kVipoint
shlyk_81, Zhenya thanks, went to PM
Mist
Quote: A.lenka
Ham maker PLN 51 + delivery PLN 40, this turns out to be PLN 91.
With such an order, I had bags (25 pcs) as a gift
kVipoint
Misthappy with biovine?
Mist
Outwardly very
In essence, I have not yet adapted to cooking, today I will only use it for the second time, unfortunately I have overdried the first ham.
Ira Doka
The Tescoma "Presto" ham maker, with an ozone thermometer, has fallen in price from 3144 rubles. up to RUB 2615
Iskatel-X
Beloboka
Inside, ham in a bag. The package is torn.
I'm going to cook.
What is the right thing to do?
Pack the ham in a roasting sleeve, tie well.
Or
Vacuum the ham maker?
Increase the cooking time? How much? Or not to change?
Thank you.
Umka
Iskatel-X, my advice
1. Vacuum the ham
2. Do not increase the cooking time.
Iskatel-X
Ludmila
Thank you for the advice.
Such a disaster
The package is torn.
for the first time.
I pushed to the eyeballs, according to the number of purchased products.
Time interests most of all, because:
Package
Ham maker
Another package
Thermos turns out

Is there a difference - evacuate or simply seal, solder?
If soldered - the outer package, can it explode?
When heated, the air volume will increase.
Bottling
And who ever tried to knead minced meat for ham with a simple hand mixer (dough attachments)? With my hands, I can't knead the minced meat well enough, it's a pity for a bread maker, there is no money for a kneader, but I would have mastered a manual mixer.
Rarerka
Bottling, the girls successfully used the mixer The main thing is to knead until white threads
kVipoint
I just do that, but I add ice, because at medium speed the threads are poorly formed, and at high speed, the meat starts to heat up, so there is not enough cold water, ice is needed, but it will melt by the end, so I throw the cubes straight from the freezer
Scarlett
Bottling, it is quite possible, I used to knead like this, only preferably with dough attachments (in ordinary mixers they are in the form of a spiral with a hook at the end), only the mixer is not very weak (a neighbor bought from me for a cheap price - so it is impossible for them to even take out the dough for patches - does not pull even cry !!!)
shlyk_81
My husband forgot to take the ham maker out of the stem yesterday to cool it down, and it stood in the water all night, and by morning it cooled down. Only this morning I put it in the refrigerator. Is it critical that there was no sharp cooling? Ham with nitrite salt.
A.lenka
Unsubscribe. In Biovina, the ham is cooked perfectly! Packages do not tear, juice does not flow out, twists easily. Two biovinki become in a six-liter stem, covered with a lid from a multicooker. By volume, Biovin is slightly smaller than Beloboka. In general, beauty is obtained with packages! The meat does not stick to the ham, it is easy to pull out, it is convenient to store for some time, right in the bag.
But I also love white-sided. I cook in it the ham in Biovinovs' pies, turning the top lid upside down. Then the bag will not break.
Iskatel-X
Elena
In Biovina - Packages are not torn
Why does Biovin need packages? There are no holes.
In a six-liter Steba - there are two Biovinki, covered with a lid from a multicooker.
Photo in the studio, plizz (without a lid and with a closed one)
Biovin 17cm + 2cm for thermometer fasteners. Theoretically, not included
This stops you from buying.

Live to take a look - Biovin in Steba DD2 XL

By the way, Biovin - appeared at 3L, the same height. The price tag is off scale.
Thank you
A.lenka
Quote: Iskatel-X
Photo in the studio, plizz (without a lid and with a closed one)
Biovin 17cm + 2cm for thermometer fasteners.Theoretically, not included

The lid is not CLOSED, but COVERED, that is, it seems to be supported by the shredders.

Quote: Iskatel-X
Why does Biovin need packages? There are no holes.
So I wrote:
Quote: A.lenka
In general, beauty is obtained with packages! The meat does not stick to the ham, it is easy to pull out, it is convenient to store for some time, right in the bag.

I will try to take a photo in the evening. Now in my Shteba fermented baked milk is fermenting.
shlyk_81
Whoa! Two Biovins fit into the headquarters! Are they so narrow? In my headquarters, the usual Teskomovskaya ham maker becomes great, but there is a little space in the width left. And the six-liter is just taller, the width of the bowl is the same. And what is the diameter of the biovine?
A.lenka
Quote: Iskatel-X
By the way, Biovin - appeared at 3L, the same height. The price tag is off scale.
Well, I don’t know ... What does it mean - rolls over? On the Polish site, a small shredder in the "basic" configuration costs 51 zlotys, a three-liter one - 67 zlotys. The difference is PLN 16 or 320 rubles. Do you think it is off scale?
A.lenka
Quote: shlyk_81
Are they so narrow? In my headquarters, the usual Teskomovskaya ham maker becomes great, but there is a little space in the width left.
I can't compare with Teskoma, I don't have her. And in comparison with Beloboka it is much narrower.
Iskatel-X
off scale?
4200 Russian rubles, in Moscow in fact.
Given that I have Belobok, ~ 1000 rubles.
One ham is not enough, you need a second, larger one.
Biovin is 50% smaller than Beloboka.
Maybe there will be 3-liter under the action ...
A.lenka
Quote: Iskatel-X
4200 Russian rubles, in Moscow in fact.
Iskatel-X, Where do you think delivery from? From Poland or from Kaliningrad?
From Poland (just counted)
-shinker
-add. bags of 20 pieces
- shipment by mail to Russia (to the recipient's address)
-interest for payment via PayPal
It turned out (rounded off) 153 zlotys, or 3.060 rubles.
If you collect a collective package, it will be even cheaper.
Iskatel-X
4200 Russian rubles, in Moscow in fact.
Just go to the store, buy.
No delivery, they are on sale.
Wait for delivery, Wishlist will leave ...
A.lenka
Quote: Iskatel-X
Just go to the store, buy.
And in which store are the three-liter Biovines available? Is it in Moscow?
Iskatel-X
Elena
I wrote in a personal

Still, to know, with a huge diameter, increase the cooking time?
A.lenka
Iskatel-X, Thank you! Received.

Quote: Iskatel-X
Still, to know, with a huge diameter, increase the cooking time?
You can time the first time by monitoring the temperature inside the meatball with a thermometer. But I think that the cooking time will definitely increase.
For home, I would rather order two small biovinki. The total volumes are the same, the time is about the same ... But - you can cook different products at the same time.
Iskatel-X
Elena
For home, I'd rather order two small biovinkies.
Probably I will do so to cook without packages.
I'm waiting for a photo of how the "sweet couple" looks in Steba DD2 XL
Masinen
Time will definitely increase. If you cook in two small biovines for 3.5 hours, then in a large one, at least 5 hours.
He has a larger diameter.
| Alexandra |
Tell me pzhl, is Beloboka the same size or different? They gave it to me, but the box is very small (there was no time to open it yet).
Iskatel-X
Beloboka is one size
A.lenka
Quote: Iskatel-X
Photo in the studio, plizz (without a lid and with a closed one)
Iskatel-X, pliiiz ...

Without cover:
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With the lid closed:
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zhita
Good day. I ask for advice. The goddaughter asked for a ham maker for her birthday (at the end of January), she realized that Biovin was better. And if you buy Belobok, then 2 thermometers are needed, for meat and water, did I understand correctly?
A.lenka
Quote: Zhita
And if you buy Belobok, then 2 thermometers are needed, for meat and water, did I understand correctly?
Tanya, Depends on where she will cook the ham. If in Shteba (for example) or in another device that accurately maintains the set temperature, then a thermometer for water is not needed at all. If in an ordinary saucepan on the stove, then yes, the temperature must be constantly monitored. A thermometer for water is needed.
A meat thermometer is usually used at the end of cooking.You can, in principle, do with one universal thermometer with a probe, which can measure both the temperature of the water and the temperature of meat. Look in the recipes how Irina cooks ham Tumanchik.


Pork skinned ham in Belobok ham maker without nitrite salt (Tumanchik)

zhita
She will probably cook in a saucepan, her slow cooker is unpretentious, I don't remember the company, you can't set the temperature there. Biovin for 3600 is in Moscow, it's a little expensive, of course, but you can buy and not bother with a thermometer.
A.lenka
Quote: Zhita
Biovin for 3600 is in Moscow, it's a little expensive, of course, but you can buy and not bother with a thermometer.
If you cook in a saucepan, then in any case you will have to bother with a thermometer. Try to order in Poland - it will be cheaper anyway.
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And you can immediately order packages and a thermometer like Irina Tumanchik... It is convenient there that it is limited to temperature and time - as soon as a predetermined level (temperature or time) is reached, it starts beeping. Don't miss it.
zhita
I won't be in time until January 27, until it reaches Moscow. A thermometer can only be ordered in Poland, and how can you call it in a search engine so that there is a signal? I would take myself, sometimes I need it.
A.lenka
Quote: Zhita
I won't be in time until January 27, until it reaches Moscow.
You will have time. In the new year, the parcel from there took me a little more than two weeks (17 days on average).
Quote: Zhita
A thermometer can only be ordered in Poland, and how can you call it in a search engine so that there is a signal? I would take myself, sometimes I need it.
I don't know if it can be bought elsewhere. The Polish thermometer is as follows:
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zhita
I found a thermometer, remembered that they showed Ikeevsky similar, looked, there is also a sound signal. Last question. And what kind of ham is easier to assemble and disassemble?
A.lenka
Quote: Zhita
And what kind of ham is easier to assemble and disassemble?
My answer is subjective. For me, no difficulties arise with either Beloboka or Biovin.
zhita
A.lenka, thank you very much, I'll "cool down" a little more and order.
A.lenka
zhita, if you decide to order Beloboku - look at Ozone for example Endever ham. It is the same type, but the price is more democratic.
zhita
A.lenka, probably Biovin all the same, I just read somewhere that Beloboka closes easier, so I doubted. Walk like that.
Iskatel-X
Tanya, Elena
ham Endever. It is the same type, but the price is more democratic.
Endever has another material, "lumindium", if I'm not mistaken, which is not good.
This thread was discussed.
Pakat
If you cook in bags, then the material of the ham is not so important ...
Of course, a good stainless steel is better, but here you have to go, not checkers ...
A.lenka
Quote: Iskatel-X
Endever has another material, "lumindium", if I'm not mistaken, which is not good.
Iskatel-XWhere is this information from?

From the Endever website:
Case material: stainless steel
Dimensions: 110 * 110 * 170
Additional functions:
Displacement: 0.9 / 1.13 / 1.5 l
Output volume of the finished product: from 0.2 to 1.4 l
Contents of delivery:
Housing
Removable covers - 2 pcs.
Removable springs - 3 pcs.
Instructions + recipes

A source: 🔗
© Endever
Appliances for a cozy home
Iskatel-X
Sorry, I have a problem. Confused with a different name.
evk79
Quote: Iskatel-X
Just go to the store, buy.
No delivery, they are on sale.
Wait for delivery, Wishlist will leave ...
And tell me, please, where in Moscow you can buy Biowin (I need a regular size). Here everyone writes about delivery from Poland for 40 zlotys, I have that with packages, that without them (only ham maker) delivery to Moscow in 68 zlotys comes out ...
Iskatel-X
evk79, sent in a personal.
Pakat
Quote: evk79
Here everyone writes about delivery from Poland for 40 zlotys, I have that with packages, that without them (only ham maker) delivery to Moscow in 68 zlotys comes out ...
Here's what Arthur told me at the time:
Welcome,
Small package our national mail suggests sending only as a priority. To Russia costs PLN 50 (for thermometer and bag)
An economical package over 1 kg is available for deliveries.

The priority light package is cheaper than the economic one because light goods can be sent in a letter rather than a package.
A bit strange - I know, but it is.
If you buy something light and send by priority mail, it will be cheaper than an economic package.
A.lenka
I am now receiving two thermometers from Poland in one shipment, a priority. Delivery cost 22 PLN.

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