Water consumption meters

We have had water meters for three years, probably. It was put by the company "Economi". Maintenance of two meters per year costs 360 rubles. I put the meters after they brought us the rent (three years ago) - 2000 rubles, with 20 cubic meters of hot and cold water. The fact is that we have a whole entrance of "visitors" (I think everyone knows which ones), and we are tired of paying for them (the house is small, only 4 entrances). Since then, the rent has dropped by 2 times - within 1000 rubles (several cubes of hot and cold water per month). Here's another ambush - if, for example, 4 people are registered, but in fact 2 live - then without meters you have to pay for everyone, but if there are meters, then only for the ACTUAL expense. Or all the time to carry certificates in the housing office, which is also very dreary. In general, the meters are just super, they save a lot of money, nerves and time ... and you know that you pay only for yourself, and not for "camps", leaky pipes in the basement, etc. I advise everyone who has not yet decided - put, all the more so, when neighbors put meters, then the remaining water is divided among all ... "uncounted" ...

It is necessary to bet unambiguously. We have a year soon. Water bills have dropped significantly. And since the new year, water will rise in price by 30 percent. You go broke paying for all the visitors.

Not everyone benefits from installing meters. For example, I pay without a counter exactly half as much as with a counter.

Share how you do it.

This happens when one person is registered in the apartment, but several live. Then it is unprofitable to install counters at all! According to the receipt, the water consumption is charged for one prescribed, and the whole family uses it.

Quite right. We have one husband registered, but 4 live, plus 2 dogs and 2 ferrets, and they also wash. And in the summer I take a certificate that my husband lived in the country for half a year. So I pay only for half a year and then for one.

Quite right. We have one husband registered, but 4 live, plus 2 dogs and 2 ferrets, and they also wash. And in the summer I take a certificate that my husband lived in the country for half a year. So I pay only for half a year and then for one.

And so it turns out that the rest of the tenants of your house, who do not have meters, are paying for you.
Therefore, I want to pay only for the water we consume.

By the way, I received a payment for December. If in November there was an amount of 4100 rubles, then for December the payment was already 3035 rubles! And this is taking into account the fact that in 4 days they still attributed water to me. Counters start from the 5th. It turned out funny that during these unfortunate 4 days of water I poured 4 cubic meters ... and for the rest of the month (26 days) - only 10! So if we discard these postscripts, the amount remains decently less than 3,000 rubles ... That's it.

we originally had a house with meters, so we didn't have to choose

we originally had a house with meters, so we didn't have to choose

We have a new house and also initially with meters, but I pay for the number of registered ones. And you have the right to do so.

We have a new house and also initially with meters, but I pay for the number of registered ones. And you have the right to do so.

It all depends on the management company. Ours counts on house counters.

Accidentally stumbled upon this topic. One gets the impression that water meters are of interest to Moscow and a couple of times Odessa
I have counters for eight years. Then paid off in six months. In Ukraine, the situation turned out to be funnier. Then, too, there were conversations - to bet not to bet, profitable is not profitable. My savings were immediately visible to the naked eye.And one colleague whom I persuaded to install the meters was offended by me. They paid three times more. I say, how do you manage to pour so much water down the drain? It turns out that their daughter takes a hot bath three times a day, sometimes for an hour. And to keep the water hot, they have a cork with a hole ...
Also, we have no concept of "additional costs, meter maintenance". I paid only once to repair a stopped meter. And now it's easier to buy a new one than to repair it. With the verification of the meters, the water utility "got". Previously, everyone was frightened: at least once a year or two, everyone must take off the meters together and carry them in practice (for money, of course). When mine stood for four years, I called and asked, they said "no, no, wait bye." It turned out, purely by chance, I found out from our lawyer that according to our legislation, if an organization charges for its services according to metering devices, then it must carry out the verification of these devices on its own!

And such a moment stops me from setting the counters. When the water is turned off, recently this has happened with us very often in connection with the general installation of these same meters, the water has to be drained due to its unsuitability for use (rusty). So, the owners of the meters are very sensitive to water consumption and are in no hurry to let their money go down the drain, but I have a small child and there is no way to wait, so why should I pay for everyone who saves? And to be honest, I have no idea where to place two counters in my tiny bathroom or lavatory.
At the moment, it is beneficial for me to put only a gas meter, since I rarely cook on a gas stove.

Peace be with you bakers!
Midnight lady
judge for yourself, for example, you have a 100 apartment building and 50 meters are installed, so whoever they cost them and pay the difference
from the general meter will be divided into the remaining 50 apartments
and if you drain the water to clean, it will still be more profitable

And such a moment stops me from setting the counters. When the water is turned off, recently this has happened with us very often in connection with the general installation of these same meters, the water has to be drained due to its unsuitability for use (rusty). So, the owners of the meters are very sensitive to water consumption and are in no hurry to let their money go down the drain, but I have a small child and there is no way to wait, so why should I pay for everyone who saves? And to be honest, I have no idea where to place two counters in my tiny bathroom or lavatory.
At the moment, it is beneficial for me to put only a gas meter, since I rarely cook on a gas stove.

The counters themselves will not take up much space. They crash into the pipe, and a small round scoreboard appears above the pipe, slightly larger than a hockey puck.

As for the drainage of water. Sooner or later, this mess will end, and this problem will not exist. But the problem of paying for uneconomical neighbors will remain. Read my posts, I wrote just about the fact that when we were left in the minority, then the water bills increased significantly. With a monthly consumption, in my family - about 20 cubic meters of water, we received invoices for 60! This is a very decent amount of money. 1500-2000 rubles extra per month ...

Do you receive a receipt for payment? Is there a line - water flow? Or at least the standards according to which they charge you money. Take a little time and calculate how much you pay. Perhaps this will be the answer to your question. For a family of 3 people (a friend's) - about 18-20 cubic meters of water per month. This is taking into account the incredible cleanliness And the norms in Moscow, at one time, were 10-15 cubic meters per person ...

Peace be with you bakers!
Midnight lady -Yes, and to be honest, I have no idea where in my tiny bathroom or toilet to place two counters.

my bathroom in Khrushchev is also not a fountain, but they do not interfere

[How long do water and heat meters pay off? And is the savings big?]

How long do water and heat meters pay off? And is the savings big?

"How long do water and heat metering devices pay off? And are they big savings?"
K. KURGANOVA

The payback period of the device depends on how many people live in your apartment.

Water meters (together with the installation) will cost 4-4.5 thousand rubles. If you live alone, you can save about 300 rubles a month with the help of devices. After all, you will pay for the actually consumed volume of water (a city dweller uses on average 3.5 m3 of cold water and 2.5 m3 of hot water) - according to Moscow tariffs, this is about 300 rubles, and not for those established by the authorities, 11.7 m3 - about 600 rubles ... In this case, the devices will pay off in 1.5 years. But if two people live in the apartment, this period will be reduced immediately to 6-7 months.

Heat meters are usually installed on the whole house. Their payback period is from a year. You can cut the bills in half, provided that measures are taken to preserve heat: in the apartments - double-glazed windows, interpanel seams are sealed, etc.

By the way, at a defense plant in Chelyabinsk, not so long ago, they came up with a single common house metering device for electricity, water and heat. It is estimated to help save up to 40% on costs.

When does the meter age?

“Three years ago we installed the water meters. And recently, specialists from the management company came with a check and said that the devices need to be changed because they are old. If we don’t do this, they threaten to turn off the water. My husband and I are pensioners, money for installing new There are no meters. What to do? And why has the electric meter been working for 20 years and no complaints, but the water meters are suddenly outdated? "
I. Minchenko

Maria Sviridova, lawyer of the Consumer Rights Protection Society "Public Control" answers:

- The shelf life of certified water meters (and others simply would not register you at the local Vodokanal and would not allow you to pay for them) is at least 5 years. So the statements of the specialists of the management company that the devices are outdated are unfounded. Most likely, they just want to charge you money for installing new devices. Even if the meters really worked out their term, they have no right to disconnect the apartments where they stand from the water supply. In this case, before replacing the device, water is charged not according to its indications, but according to the general tariff.

After five years of service, the meters need to be checked. When checking, a specialist will have to pay for the procedure itself and for removing the device and returning it to its place (in case of a malfunction - Ed.). And there is no guarantee that the water meter will be recognized as suitable.
The shelf life of water and electricity metering devices is really different (for old electric meters it is generally more than 30 years old, for modern ones - 10). It's all about the design features and the loads that the device experiences. Water meters are more sensitive devices. Tests carried out by both the manufacturer of the products and the center that issues a certificate for it showed that after 5 years they fail. That is why such an expiration date was set for them.

Small clarification. The payback period will be different in different cities, since in different cities
- different tariffs for a cubic meter of cold / hot water / sewerage / wastewater treatment (and there are cities where each of these services has its own tariff and its own organization that collects fees)
- different standards for the consumption of cold and hot water (for individual cities, the standards may differ significantly)
- a different attitude to gardening certificates of living outside the city and to other documents confirming the absence of a tenant (there is a prescribed list of documents that utilities must accept, but in a number of cities this list has been expanded)
- there may be a house meter in the house, or it may not (this determines whether the real water consumption of this house is scattered over the residents or consumption is calculated according to the standard approved by the local mayor).
That is, when making a decision, you just need to take all these numbers, calculate them on a calculator and compare with incoming invoices.Well, and consult with those who have already installed meters in your house or in houses of similar construction (for example, in houses with a lower wiring and with an upper wiring, you have to drain different amounts of water from the hot tap before it really gets hot).
If you are wondering what techniques / habits / small improvements can help reduce water consumption - I will share. I researched this topic a couple of years ago.

[Doesn't the engineer register after sealing?]

We installed the meters in December.

You have installed the water meter yourself. Now you need to put it into operation. Apply to your management company ...

An engineer was invited for sealing.
The master did everything. The engineer drew up an act, issued a copy. All.

The month is coming to an end. I call the housing department to find out where to transfer the meter readings.
They tell me that I was late. Reception days are limited. And I will pay at the regular rate.
And if I still make a payment, then it will not come to my account. Since I did not come to them to register devices.

I don't understand.
Doesn't the engineer register after sealing?
How do I pay now?

[Irina]

Irina, the engineer had to give you a piece of paper with which you need to go to the housing office or a similar institution and give it to them and they enter the meter number and initial readings into the base.

[Irina Dolars]

Irina Dolars, we need to come to the water utility with a passport to the meter, they write down the serial number of the meter, and probably register. You can install it yourself, call what is installed, come and seal it.

[Sedne]

Sedne
So he drew up the act. I took the paper. I just have a copy.
Why would he then have this act, if he cannot register?
I thought they would arrange everything
didn't even say a word

So this month they will take it at the rate.
And the counter is working.
How to pay next month? After all, the counter will show the values ​​for ALREADY TWO months

[Irina]

Irina, you need to go to the housing office to register yourself. But I think if you now pay for the fat, then they will recalculate you. The engineer recorded everything, and the date is there.

So, no matter what, you can pay according to the testimony?
Then they will count ...

So he drew up the act. I took the paper. I just have a copy.
Why would he then have this act, if he cannot register?

He put the meters on record in his engineering metrological service (and not in the accounting department), so that later after a set period, he could carry out verification.
I was in a similar situation: after installing the meters, I delivered the application in a month. So we were charged for this month both according to the standards for four people and according to the counters. But at that time I did not have an act - for some reason we have it drawn up after the application (I do not know why). And in your case, having an act with the installation date in your hands, it is quite possible to fight.

No, not according to indications, but according to fat. It was like that for me, the counter was set to 24, and the fat was already printed. This month I paid as before, but next month (oh joy) almost nothing.

[Tancha]

Thank you. Let's try to fight

Tancha, and what kind of fat do you have? I have not heard about that.

These are receipts (or notices) for payment, we also call them for some reason.

The management company sent a notification about the verification of water meters. For the service you need to pay 2500 rubles. Hot and cold water meters were immediately installed in the new building. The house was commissioned at the end of 2014. According to the decree of the Moscow Region government, the term for checking the meter for hot water is 4 years, for cold water is 6 years. Somehow early they decided to check the meters ...

[Loremia]

Loremia, I had the same, but I had a repair, I forgot when I installed it, and I hid the documents, so I agreed to a check, but it turned out that there were 3 more years, they bred us for money, so this check of the counter was not considered a pancake ... We only have a cold water meter (we have a gas water heater)

Peace be with you bakers!

Loremia--

How do you account for the water - well, in the sense through your personal account or pieces of paper refer

I mean there -in ls- everything is indicated when delivered, when reconciliation and who should serve

And everything else is a scam

[Sedne]

Sedne, until I paid, the neighbors have already taken the money, on the first floor of our house is the office of the management company. There was even a meeting in the yard.
shade, I take the piece of paper to the first floor to the accounting department.

Have no right to impose a service
Tell them that it's too early for you ... you meet the deadlines!

Besides, the price was too high.

[Irina Dolars]

Irina Dolars, Irina, I agree with your words, also looked through a number of sites.

[Loremia]

Loremia, you must have passports for the counters, there is the date of issue and the date initial verification... 4 years and 6 years is calibration interval... I was also indignant when they sent me a letter that I had to believe the counter until they explained it to me. And when they put it, they say nothing, so that they don't look at the date, it is not known how long the counter was in the warehouse.

[zhita]

zhita, Thank you, I'll see the date!

Me, too, about 7 notifications about verification were thrown into the mailbox, in the latter they made a postscript that verification was necessary if only the deadline had already come (apparently the outraged literate people cut off their phones). When I changed the counters, I did not even think about where the sealant had to carry the Act. We now have meters for both cold water and hot water that are the same in time (for 5 or 6 years). The verification period appeared in the next receipt. It is similar for GW.

If I missed the deadline for submitting information (I submit it according to the form on the website), then they count by the average (I have about 4 cubes), and the next month they count it according to the readings.