Gressi
, well, excuse me, it happened ... Recently, MV was with me, but now I can't imagine the kitchen without my assistants. And "about DISCUSS from Bork" can you turn to the owners of other brands of MB ???
alexsav
To dissuade means to tell about the "pitfalls". Much has been written and said about the merits. Every sandpiper ... But about the shortcomings, practically nothing. I would like to take a thing, knowing its disadvantages and be glad not to find them with my own, than to unexpectedly face problems.
Gressi
As for the "minuses" ... The plastic of the case is weak, there are easily scratches, but you will find this "minus" in your own :) The second minus bowl is still not so strong, and it will be replaced, if necessary problematic, expensive I haven't found any other disadvantages in Bork yet, but pay attention, I only use it for 2 months, though every day
alexsav
Please clarify what the weakness of the bowl is. As far as I know, it is 9-layer, and therefore heavy and must be durable. Or maybe they (layers) exfoliate?
Gressi
I had a small piece that fell off at the very top of the bowl, 1 millimeter in total, apparently I knocked with a spatula during cooking (without fanaticism), and also noticed that there are still small scratches on the bottom, although I only use silicone spatulas. The same story is with a bowl of kuku 1054. A crack appeared in both Cook and Bork, it looks like a scratch. That is, I came to the conclusion that Bork's bowl is not at all stronger than Cook's. All these scratches have no effect on the quality of cooking, at least not yet. Here on the forum somewhere there is a topic about bowls from Kuku, like all these scuffs do not interfere in any way
Vei
Quote: alexsav

Please clarify what the weakness of the bowl is. As far as I know, it is 9-layer, and therefore heavy and must be durable. Or maybe they (layers) exfoliate?
I suppose it meant that not only scratches remain on it, but traces, or, as Tanyulya said, ruffles))) but I use plastic spoons, the silicone ones I bought turned out to be uncomfortable ((((
So about the pitfalls:

1) this SKIER with all the ensuing consequences. It is very difficult to cook, especially from habit, without opening the lids, when it is impossible to check and stir. It is necessary to come up with a technology in such a way as to do everything in one tab, or in several stages, but then you need to be present.
This fact came as a surprise to me, as I expected that for such a price I would have a more UNIVERSAL device. I must say that cookie 1054 is more universal in this regard. In it, you can turn off the pressure on the multi-cooker, and there is a Dolgovarki mode with three temperature gradations. But there is an unacceptable time setting system for me.

2) all programs in Borok are automatic, that is, you can't even set your time there. The exceptions where you can set the time are the Steamer, the oven and, naturally, the Multi-cook.

3) min the running time of any program where the time is set - 10 min, maximum - 1.5 hours

4) the temperature in 1 degree increments in the range from 40 to 120 is set only on the Multipovar. In the Oven and the Steamer there are 3 and 4 heating levels, respectively.

5) the absence of any information on the modes is very annoying, especially at the beginning and if there was no previous experience with MV and SV, all the more so. Then, of course, get used to it, but while this happens, spoil a lot of nerves and products (IMHO)

Now I have two pressure cookers (Bork and Kuku 1010) and two multicooker.My opinion is that you must first buy a simple MV without a pressure function, the choice of excellent units is huge, and then it makes sense to take a pressure cooker, possibly less sophisticated, but no less functional than Bork or Cook. By the summer, again, there will be more choice, different companies have announced the release of very interesting models.
In the end, it will be possible to order any native Korean or Japanese SV, since induction and pressure are now fashionable there, at adequate prices, and the menu with hieroglyphs will no longer be intimidating.

I would do so now, but what to do with mine? There is no sense anymore
Gressi
My first slow cooker is Kuku1054, and I have never thrown anything out, thank you very much to this forum !!! And Bork is very similar to 1054, you can get comfortable with recipes for kuku! IMHO, of course, but I'm glad I took this particular CF first!
Vei
Quote: Gressi

My first slow cooker is Kuku1054, and I have never thrown anything out, thank you very much to this forum !!! And Bork is very similar to 1054, you can get comfortable with recipes for kuku! IMHO, of course, but I'm glad I took this particular CF first!
So I didn't throw it out either, but what is obtained as a result of a one-time bookmark cannot be called borscht. I tried to rehabilitate this boiled cabbage pile of cabbage, and in the end they ate everything, but my family got used to eating VERY DELICIOUSLY, and HOW I do it, that's my business, and they always expect an excellent result from me. And when I haven’t come across pressure cookers and their cooking principle before, it’s very difficult in practice to immediately get a good result.
When I cooked pilaf in Bork for the first time and put everything there according to the recipe from the book, and received rice puree with meat, I was upset to say the least. I had to experimentally establish the proportions of water and rice. Now I cook it on a multi-cooker, and then on the auto program rice and pilaf
Gressi
Vei, before I put something in my cuckoo 1054, I carefully read on this forum how and what to do right! The first thing I cooked is pilaf. It turned out gorgeous And, by the way, my family members are also accustomed to eating only VERY TASTY, not a boil. On the advice of members of the forum, I threw out the book with recipes from cucko right away! The book from Bork also did not take root :) I completely agree with you that it is not easy to immediately adapt to these pressure cookers, but the forum will help us
alexsav
Quote: Vei

1) this SKIER with all the ensuing consequences.
Either I do not understand something, or you indicate incorrect information. For that kind of money, there simply cannot be a SKIER.
Again, the disadvantages that you indicated, to put it mildly, are not exactly disadvantages, but the features of any complex device. If there are automatic programs, why interfere with them? For this, there is the Multipovar program - a space for imagination. As for the recipe book, I realized a long time ago that it should not even be opened in all CFs, but sent directly to a specific forum.
And in terms of quantity: I have a small apartment and a small kitchenette, which is already quite crammed with various devices, half of which (for low weight) have to be hidden and taken out as needed. That is why I want to buy one thing that would replace several devices at once.
MV Bork type, in my opinion, is the best option (except for the price). Unfortunately, there are no worthy alternatives in Ukraine yet. I can't wait until summer, my wife's birthday in spring. You can order similar devices on various sites, it will be cheaper in terms of money, but is the "game worth the candle"? It will turn out to be half the price, but a simple rice cooker with hieroglyphs and tingling hints. You have to pay for everything. So far, everyone agrees on one major disadvantage of Bork - its inadequate price. I completely agree, but I repeat - there are no worthy alternatives in Ukraine. And I'm not rich enough to buy cheap things.
alexsav
So, it seems, Element could be worthy of competition, but only after the elimination of a design defect - some kind of plastic ring bursts in everyone. And at a cheaper price than Kuku 1054. You can wait until this defect is eliminated and the service is established, but I can't wait and don't want to.
Nymph
alexsav, You Vei told her personal impressions and opinions about this MV. I have an Element, but I can tell why I refused both Kukusha and Bork when choosing. I want to make a reservation right away - I do not want to say that Kuku and Bork are bad. I am writing only the moments that were decisive for me, nothing more.
1. For Cuckoo, the setting of the cooking time did not suit me at all, besides, with this MV, many had problems in terms of a crack on the decorative panel, steam release, again scratches on the saucepan. It is clear that this is a technically complex device and it is necessary to disassemble each specific case with the occurrence of trouble, but still ...
2. Regarding Bork: for me personally
Quote: Vei

2) ALL programs in Borok are automatic, that is, you won't even set your time there. Exceptions where you can set the time are the Steamer, the oven and, naturally, the Multi-cook.
not a feature of the device, but a real drawback. Because today I will have to cook soup for a couple of plates for me and my son, and tomorrow I will cook the same soup, quite likely for 5 people at once - and the time there is fixed the same for both cases.
And the program is characterized not only by the set time and temperature, but also by the algorithm, and on the MV multi-cooker it will cook for a given time at a given temperature and no more.
In Element, in this regard, everything is perfect - there are 5 automatic programs, on the rest you can change the time, BUT the notorious removable cover ruined all the raspberries. I really hope that this is really a defective batch, and not a constructive flaw
alexsav
I agree with you. I myself really wanted Element - and the price, and design, and programs, and tips. In a word - what you need!
But this marriage and, as it turned out, the complete lack of service, turned me away from this thought. Unfortunately, time is running out, at the end of March my wife has a birthday, you must either decide on the choice of CF or abandon this thought for at least a year. But the idea is already sitting like a nail in the brain !!!!!!!!!!!
Vei
I am very glad that everyone is so smart - they read the forum and cooked everything deliciously in their cuckoos. : rose: But that’s what we are talking about, that there is a lot of information about kuku1054, about their temperature regimes - a lot, recipes - more than enough, and when you start your multicooker journey with such support, it’s very cool!

Bork is not Kuku 1054, now it doesn't matter to me anymore, I'll cook everything I need in a "rice cooker" singing in any Asian language, thanks to Bork for the school of life
But when this is generally the very first unit, it is very difficult to cut it! And here on the forum there are still no recipes or parties (Borkovskaya). On another forum, I tried to change the situation with the information vacuum in terms of recipes, and it seems to me that the ice was broken, people began to pull themselves up and share their experiences and problems, but here (just don't throw sneakers at me) there is a very strong cuckoo lobby, which immediately took attacking positions , and the owners of Borks went to the bottom (((

It's funny for me to read
for that kind of money, it can't be just a pressure cooker
- HA! I thought so too! Well, what sane person can think of something else? However, this is SO - Bork is the most modern and technologically stuffed, but a pressure cooker, since it cooks only under pressure, and the only flexible program is the Multi-cook, which also cooks only under pressure, isn't it called a pressure cooker?
When I understood all this, I was very upset and wanted to sell Bork, since its functionality did not meet my requirements. But my husband was against it and offered to go another way, which in principle suited me - now I also have a multipark
My husband set a task - to squeeze out of Bork to the maximum, and I do it, but on the condition that I buy other MBs to help

I still cannot decide for myself whether I would change Bork to 1054 or not, perhaps yes, if there should be only one device. And for the price ... I consider both Kuku, and even more so Bork DIKO, overvalued units!

IMHO - even about native Korean rice cookers - all these are fairy tales and conversations in favor of the poor, that there are other algorithms, and so on.Kuku 1010 is the most simple and even outdated RISOVARKA, without any special functionality geared towards Russia, but everyone cooks and rejoices. And they cook almost everything! If it were not for the terrible valve in 1010, then I would have advised to stop at it, but in any case, it confirms that in Korean rice cookers produced for the domestic market, and which are several times cheaper, you can cook our kitchen without any problems ...
Vei
Quote: Nymph

Vei, Thank you!
I also want to wait for the reviews for a new Kuku - if there is no jamb with the cooking time, I will drool on it
I came to the conclusion that there is the same system over time, they only changed the programs, but the essence remained the same (((
Now, if they upgraded Bork in terms of modes, it would be super!
And now a new Bork has come out - I read it, laughed, and the price is simply surprising !!!
Nymph
I also went for a new Bork, and the price, but I didn’t understand the modes, I just got the impression that the MV is simply smaller in volume
Vei
Quote: Nymph

I also went for a new Bork, and the price, but I didn’t understand the modes, I just got the impression that the MV is simply smaller in volume
Maybe we're talking about different? I'm talking about the U800 for 39,960 rubles, which is a Multishef with some Italian recipes. And you, apparently, about the U600, which is 19,000 and made in China?
Nymph
Yes - I'm the one that was cheaper. I have not even seen another model - but with these author's recipes, Nrod is already suffering in another topic about Mulinex. But for 40 thousand to voluntarily purchase such a hemorrhoid is very cruel in my opinion
alexsav
Quote: Vei

- Bork is the most modern and technological stuffed, but the pressure cooker, since it cooks only under pressure, and the only flexible program is the Multi-cook, also cooks only under pressure, isn't it called a pressure cooker?
Many thanks to the author of these words - this is exactly what I wanted to know, specifically and "in the eye". Now I am firmly convinced that Bork is not worth that kind of money and that the choice of MV should be even more balanced. Most likely, you should wait for new, advanced ones, both in design and in programs, and at the same time in service. Moreover, they may appear in Ukraine as well.
Once again, a huge THANK YOU Vei.
Nymph
alexsav, if you need this infa - Element is also a pressure cooker, it just has two modes without pressure - Simmering and baking, and it has more flexible control than Bork. But you have to try to cook it yourself - otherwise you will not feel it. Personally, it doesn’t bother me that it is SV, and in different modes it has different pressure, and a different algorithm. After the Element, MV is only on the hook for me - the main thing in it.
At the moment, the only full-fledged SV, where you can change the pressure yourself, is Ourson.
julifera
Quote: Vei

and here ... a very strong cuckoo lobby, which immediately took up attacking positions, and the owners of the Borks went to the bottom (((

No, the cuckoo lobby is long gone because many of the valves and caps have gone bad.
Now comes ourson's and even defective covers are not a hindrance
If Bork paid where it should be, then he would be promoted.

And the fact that Bork was so attacked is a perennial theme - the same model but in Korean costs 3 times cheaper, and this is what attracts some.

The new Kuku-1055 will not solve the problem with the overall cooking time, so we continue to wait for a super-miracle that will combine the best in itself and will be the most reliable in quality.

Vei
Quote: alexsav

Many thanks to the author of these words - this is exactly what I wanted to know, specifically and "in the eye". Now I am firmly convinced that Bork is not worth that kind of money and that the choice of MV should be even more balanced. Most likely, you should wait for new, advanced ones, both in design and in programs, and at the same time in service. Moreover, they may appear in Ukraine as well.
Once again, a huge THANK YOU Vei.
It's just that I myself have already gone through this disappointment, and I hope it will help others to make their choice. I believe that Bork is cunning, calling this unit a multicooker and a slow cooker.They suggest using the last function in the Heating mode, it is naturally without pressure, since there the temperature is about 70 degrees and the function of keeping warm, not cooking. And without pressure, there is still the Oven and Curd mode, that's it!

In kuk1054, you can turn off the pressure on the multi-cooker and in the Dolgovarka mode (it seems so called) you can select three temperature ranges.
But when I bought Bork, I thought that it had functionality like that of a cuck1054, and that the time setting system is different and everything else is more modern, but I was wrong (and expensively made a mistake!)

I'm waiting for the release of the new Brand 6051 multi-pressure cooker, an unusual device is expected there, and the price is 7000 rubles, we'll live until July - we'll see

Julia, made fun, as always
alexsav
Quote: Nymph

At the moment, the only full-fledged SV, where you can change the pressure yourself, is Ourson.
Perhaps I'll opt for this unit. Well, there are no clues and the design is not a spacecraft, so the price matches.
And something new and adequate will appear, I will give the old one to the children (instead of ice cream).
Vei
Quote: alexsav

Perhaps I'll opt for this unit. Well, there are no clues and the design is not a spacecraft, so the price matches.
But what about their crumbling lids? Yes, and they say that although she is nominally capable of cooking without pressure, she emits such an unpleasant whistle that I don't want to turn it on like that. I myself did not hear this noise, only from the words of a friend, but for me Orson, in principle, is not attractive (at least in some way my Wishlist allows me to relax)
Although if it is necessary and unbearable, then you have to start somewhere, and then ... and the soul will fly to heaven
alexsav
The problem with the lids, it seems, was solved - they changed the plastic
Nymph
alexsav I completely agree with Vei - that is, it is formally possible on the "soup" prog to set the pressure not 3, but 0, for example, but it will whistle like the usual cheapest SC Scarlett, if it is just stupid not to close the valve - that is, the algorithm does not change when the user changes the pressure - it is also a stupid pressure cooker - you just need to select the pressure with the handles and there are pleasant long cooker modes, yogurt, etc.
but for example, a removable lid won't suit me - you need a place for it - but I don't have one, even if I have a 15-meter kitchen
like this
Katrina


Girls, this is a must to show to all your husbands! My man himself found the video, now, if I'm not at home, in the kitchen a hero is a hero! In the evening you come - and the soup is ready.
The best thing, of course, for the "armless" programmer (I'm loving), is that our U700 will also tell you what to press, how long to wait, and when to come for a portion. Now I'm leaving him calmly on the multicooker: he won't be hungry
Ronax
alexsav
Vei (Elizabeth) told you everything correctly. I would read her comments. before buying a bork, I would definitely change my mind because it really is a pressure cooker ..., I have nothing to add, I adapted to it of course, but I translated a lot of nerves and products, and I still don't cook some dishes, I know that it will not work because I need it. I'm thinking of buying another MB, of course I have a couple of models in mind, but I'm not in a hurry, I'm evaluating and studying. Although, of course, if a person has his own opinion / conviction, it is necessary / want to convince his useless occupation and not rewarding work.

Ronax
Quote: Vei

I am very glad that everyone is so smart - they read the forum and cooked everything deliciously in their cuckoos. : rose: But that’s what we are talking about, that there is a lot of information about kuku1054, there are many about their temperature regimes, there are more than enough recipes, and when you start your multicooker journey with such support, it’s very great!

Bork is not Kuku 1054, now it doesn't matter to me anymore, I will cook everything I need in a "rice cooker" singing in any Asian language, thanks to Bork for the school of life
But when this is generally the very first unit, it is very difficult to cut it! And here on the forum there are still no recipes or parties (Borkovskaya).On another forum, I tried to change the situation with the information vacuum in terms of recipes, and it seems to me that the ice was broken, people began to pull themselves up and share their experiences and problems, but here (just don't throw slippers at me) there is a very strong cuckoo lobby that immediately took attacking positions , and the owners of Borks went to the bottom (((

It's funny to me to read - HA! I thought so too! Well, what sane person can think of something else?
My bork is the first MB, and now, looking at other MBs in the store or reading the problems of other multicookers, I feel like a demobilizer!
Levitan
About the whistle in Orson. Orson is also a pressure cooker and the temperature in the modes, as it should be for pressure cookers, is high, everything is boiling, it is imperative to close the valve (the unit itself is not blocked, like others) in order to restrain the boiling. And if the valve is not closed, then naturally, steam escapes and whistles. I will not comment on what kind of burda will turn out with such seething without pressure.
I am very opposed to buying the first unit with pressure. All pressure cookers (even the most expensive ones) are more primitive than multicooker, in which programs are controlled using sensors. And in pressure cookers, by and large, the same temperature for all programs is about 120 degrees and the programs differ only in time. And the programs themselves, by and large, and not programs at all - 120 degrees, the rapid release of steam, which presses on the float, which blocks the lock in the lid, and then cooking like in a regular pressure cooker, fresh from electricity and the valves in the lid have protective functions.
Why not buy a cheap dex 60 in Ukraine? Despite the price, this multicooker will give odds to both the bork and the cuckoo. There are very wonderful super modes. Look at this forum the Brand 37501 multicooker is the twin brother of the dex 60.
Vei
Yes, Levitan is right - Dex 60 should be super cartoon! And you can take a simple pressure cooker, purely for jellied meat and the like ...
Evgenika
Quote: Ronax

Oh, I abstracted the same. I try to squeeze everything out of it to the maximum and with pleasure, the unit itself is good and the assembly is excellent, and the bowl is comfortable.
I agree with you in everything! At first it was a pity to spend that kind of money, but now I do not regret it at all, the cartoon costs 100% of my money!
Vei
Quote: Evgenika

I agree with you in everything! At first it was a pity to spend that kind of money, but now I do not regret it at all, the cartoon costs 100% of my money!
Well, to be honest, I just recently got used to the fact that I won't sell it.
The car is very cool, but IMHO - NO MB should cost so much (!!!) even this one ...
This not normal!
Today I was considering a new product from Bork - U800 ... Ours is definitely better, I finally keep silent about the price, I need to treat everyone and it seemed to me that it was not made on Cuckoo ... And completely impractical !!!
And baby U701 turns out to have non-touch controls
In general, where is the world heading ???
Vei
Girls, did anyone try to cook jellied meat in Bork? What should be done and how?
I urgently need to figure out the jellied meat here, but with my choice of units, I still won't decide what to cook it in))))
Choice is a scary thing after all
Save - share your experience or at least your thoughts !!!
sazalexter
Vei Cooked in my pressure cooker on a multi-cooker at 120 * 1h 20 minutes https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=81488.20
Vei
sazalexter, thanks for the link although questions still remain

Quote: sazalexter

Vei Cooked in my pressure cooker on a multi-cooker at 120 * 1h 20 minutes https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=81488.20
You cooked in 1054? And how much water do you usually put in meat? And your jelly does not run away? And 1h20min is the time set on the display, or it already includes a set and release of pressure, in the sense, do I still need to add time to these 1h20 min and how much?
sazalexter
Vei Meat to taste + one knuckle or one pork leg. Water to cover the meat. Aspic does not run away from me. 1 hour 20 minutes this set time is cooked of course a little longer. You don't need to add time.
PS: Aspic comes out a little, all this pampering. Now we cook as before in a 10 liter saucepan
Oxysss
Well, we have enough for a family and Borkovsky volume) Plus - I don't like the "old" jellied meat). Moreover, to cook it in a slow cooker - there is nothing to do, even every week.
I also cook for about 1 hour 10-20 minutes at 120 degrees from 1 small pork leg (hoof), a small beef leg and 1 chicken leg (or thigh).
julifera
But I didn't risk it at 120 C and cooked perfectly at 100 C
And the broth is never cloudy.
I put it on Multipovar for 1 hour 30 minutes at 100 C +, did not open it for several hours after the end, it reached there, cooled down by itself.
If you're not in a hurry, it's a good method.
Vei

Quote: Oxysss

Well, we have enough Bork volume for a family)
I also cook for about 1 hour 10-20 minutes at 120 degrees from 1 small pork leg (hoof), a small beef leg and 1 chicken leg (or thigh).
Oksana, thanks for the answer,
and how much water was poured in, according to what division on the bowl?
julifera
I had half a rooster + 600 grams of beef hazel grouse + carrots with onions - tamped tightly + water 2 fingers higher than the meat
Total reached the mark - 8
The lid was clean and welded neatly.
At 120 C - I was afraid that it would go through the valve and that the broth would be cloudy when boiling strongly.
Vei
Friends, fellow cooks, thank you all for your help and advice!

In general, I cooked jellied meat, but it is SO little !!!
I had 2 pork hooves, the bottom of a shank and a piece of beef flank.
I put 120 * and an hour and a half, poured water to the eyeballs (according to the last mark), steam came out all the time of cooking and there was a smell in the apartment, I did not like it.
At the end of the program, the broth in the pan was almost at the mark of 2000, I did not expect that it will boil away so much! I added another mug of boiling water, salt it, threw in the spices and turned it on again for 30 minutes at 100 degrees. In this mode, the liquid practically did not evaporate, but the broth darkened sharply
This amount was enough for a narrow long tray, the broth itself at the outlet, taking into account the topping up, turned out to be about 1.1 - 1.2 liters
Everything froze very quickly and firmly.

The second batch (one for the whole family is clearly not enough) was staged at night:
I still had 2 pork hooves, a chicken leg and 2 large pieces of flank. Water again to the eyeballs. The heating mode was set to a maximum of 80 degrees. I turned on the multi-cooker 98gr - 40 minutes, and went to bed. Everything stood on heating for 6 hours, then cooled down in an open MV. She took out meat and bones, broth at around 2000 - already good. The broth itself is lighter, let's see how it hardens.

After this experience, I'm now thinking about a banal cheap pressure cooker like 6050 or, in general, Sinba, a thread of 10 liters ... and the size is what I need, and there will be no smell!
Vei
Quote: Aygul

Have you seen the new Bork U800 multicooker? Price
Aygul, we already have a theme for this new product from Bork and even the first owner!
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=202783.0
martula
Ladies, good afternoon!
Take a new one into your ranks .... tomorrow my miracle Bork U700 (white) will be brought
This is my first cartoon ... I was exhausted choosing, but the choice fell on Bork ... we will look at all the reviews that I found on the network, I have already read, I also saw the minuses and criticism, but I am tempted to try it myself, since I already have Bork at home and I I am very pleased with her.

And immediately the question was born - what should be purchased from what is not included in the kit? Lattices? Bowls? Grids? "Plushkin" lives in me and wants to stock up on everything possible in advance
Julia
Vei
martula, Congratulations!
It is very good, although at first it will be difficult, but you can always contact us either here or on a multicooker, we will definitely help!
martula
Thank you very much for your responsiveness and desire to suggest - this is so important and worth a lot!
I feel that I will ask more than one question here, but I will not make a mistake myself - I’m already learning materiel from the forums ... of course there are some questions in my head, but we will try everything)
I was torn between Cuckoo 1054 and this Bork ... I was "stung" for at least 2 months, so I decided that the time had come ... it was already "burning"
Vei
But today Kuku 1055 has already appeared, given its price, a very attractive thing! Its functionality will be richer, but setting the time, as in ordinary pressure cookers (((
martula
And I didn't even know about this ... purely theoretically, I still have time to take another model (delivery for tomorrow morning) ... left to study ...
Woe to me (((((exhausted ... why so many different models ...

I went and looked at the new product ... I did not understand anything, because I do not yet know which functions are my priority and what to pay attention to .... there are no reviews ... Bozheshmoy ... what a pichal ... make a decision blindly ( (((
Vei
Quote: martula

And I didn't even know about this ... purely theoretically, I still have time to take another model (delivery for tomorrow morning) ... left to study ...
Woe to me (((((exhausted ... why so many different models ...
We have a Temka about 1055:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=199351.0
martula
Low bow for the exile !!!!
Forgive me, excuse me a hundred times, but for you to choose now having Bork, which theoretically can become mine tomorrow ... I didn’t have a cartoon before, I don’t know the selection criteria ... the family consists of me, my husband and two sons who grow up and constantly eat ...
The agony of choice ...

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