Coffee machine

Girls and boys - thank you very much for your help I figured out the instructions for decalcification, but as the saying goes - one head is good, but many are great.Therefore I went to our service center with a passport for the car, the master only looked at the picture of the car and immediately told me - "fully automatic machine, rinse the infuser once a month (if you don't drink 10 cups of coffee a day), if you drink a lot, then 2 times a month About decalcification - wait until she says it, because there is a special program (factory setting) and it is very undesirable to interfere with it: this: I counted how many cups of coffee we drank - it turned out about 450 per year: swoon: Said the car would ask to brush its teeth in the near future

Irina, I counted from your words. You wrote that you drink coffee on weekdays for 2 cups, on weekends 5. Even if you have one day off (not counting Saturday as a day off), you have 72 cups per month, multiply by 12 months = 864 cups. On average, descaling is carried out after 500 total cups.
In general, this dialogue of ours led me to the idea of ​​installing Aquaphor. Our water is artesian, very good and tasty, the indicator paper from the coffee machine showed two stripes. But for drinking we pass it through a Brita filter, and for coffee machines we buy soft special water.

Rituyla, I got excited with the cups. I came home on the calculator, I counted 500 yet. And the strip showed almost nothing at all 8) Okay, I'll wait a little longer;) And we will also put the filter with reverse osmosis Aquaphor
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Irina, I came from my daughter's browser (we all have a separate browser), I didn't look at my nickname.
Think reverse osmosis is better? I now choose, whether with osmosis, or ordinary. Advise, pliz!

Rita, mine told me that we don't need reverse osmosis - there is no place under the sink for installation, and the difference is simply in an additional filter and a container for storing water and osmosis is needed, if the water is not very clean and very hard - this is not our case: nea : At the weekend, maybe we will go and see;) So from me the advisor is still the one I remember, somewhere here girls wrote about it - I can't find it, in my opinion, even in this thread

Got it, Irish, thanks! So we don't need reverse osmosis either.
Tomorrow we'll also go and see what kind of animal it is

["Water after reverse osmosis is not only not harmful, but also useful. For example, in order to prevent diseases of the gastrointestinal tract (GIT) and to prevent the formation of kidney and liver stones. kidney and stone destruction. The formation of stones is explained quite simply. To paraphrase a well-known phrase, we can say "We are what we eat and drink."Water entering our body participates in the metabolism of cells. But before getting access to the cells, the water undergoes a serious purification in the kidneys, where excess impurities are filtered out. This is sand, which, over time and under the influence of other factors, turns into stones. The work of the human kidney resembles the work of the membrane of the reverse osmosis system, that is, the membrane replaces the kidney in the process of water purification. Therefore, the choice is yours. If you want to reduce the stress on your kidneys and thereby protect them, there is only one advice - drink water after reverse osmosis. "]

It is difficult to advise anything without knowing what water hardness you have. Although reverse osmosis affects hardness very indirectly. For example, here is a quote from one of the sites:

"Water after reverse osmosis is not only not harmful, but also useful. For example, in order to prevent diseases of the gastrointestinal tract (GIT) and to prevent the formation of kidney and liver stones. kidney and stone destruction. The formation of stones is explained quite simply. To paraphrase a well-known phrase, we can say "We are what we eat and drink."
Water entering our body participates in the metabolism of cells. But before getting access to the cells, the water undergoes a serious purification in the kidneys, where excess impurities are filtered out. This is sand, which, over time and under the influence of other factors, turns into stones. The work of the human kidney resembles the work of the membrane of the reverse osmosis system, that is, the membrane replaces the kidney in the process of water purification. Therefore, the choice is yours. If you want to reduce the stress on your kidneys and thereby protect them, there is only one advice - drink water after reverse osmosis. "

So, if there is an opportunity, both physical (there is a place for installation) and financial (a filter with osmosis is much more expensive than a filter without it), then I would advise buying a filter with osmosis. Saving on health is a sin! Although, to be completely honest, I have a regular filter from the Aquaphor-Crystal series. Tap water in our area is considered not the worst in Moscow, but for household appliances it is just creepy! It is very tough, and you can hardly call it clean. In this regard, the following set of replaceable filter modules was chosen, I give in the order of water passing through the filter modules: K1-03; K1-07; K1-04.
K1-03 - 🔗 - preliminary cleaning - change every 6 months
K1-04 - 🔗 - softening - change every 3 months
K1-07 - 🔗 - final cleaning - I change it every 6 months.

The time for replacing the modules was calculated individually on the basis of observing the appearance of scale on the dishes and the bottom of the kettle and using the instruction manual that comes with both the filter and each replaceable module.
The main disadvantage is the K1-04 module, which must be either "regenerated" after 3 months of use, or replaced with a new one.

[Tuk]

Tuk tell me if you take it with reverse osmosis. there is a tank in the computer, so this tank must be hung or it is possible without it (I would like with osmosis, but this tank is just nowhere, sorry, vpendyurit)

[Tuk]

Tuk tell me if you take it with reverse osmosis. there is a tank in the computer, so this tank must be hung or it is possible without it (I would like with osmosis, but this tank is just nowhere, sorry, vpendyurit)

You know Irina, it was for the same reason that I had to abandon the reverse osmosis filter. But, to be honest, I didn't really try to find one that would fit, since all this, including all the renovation of the kitchen, was done spontaneously during the Christmas holidays, it seems that the New Year was well greeted.
Therefore, I bought what was in the store suitable in size. But now I regret that I did not devote a little more time to this, and I have to use what I have. Let's build a dacha with my wife, then this one will go to the dacha, and home I'll buy something compact and with osmosis.

And you can a little more about "compact and with osmosis" And at the same time Margit reads

And you can a little more about "compact and with osmosis" And at the same time Margit reads

You know, I'm in filters, like a pig in oranges. But I myself use this manufacturer - no complaints other than those described above. But, I repeat that the filter was chosen spontaneously, it was not compared with analogues from other manufacturers. So, we can say that in this case my opinion is somewhat biased, or, one-sided.
At the expense of compact ... Here are all the options for household filters with an osmosis system:
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The very first:
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the most compact and cheapest, but I think this filter is enough for a family of 3 people. But, again, this is my opinion and opinion, far from being a professional and not an expert on the market in this area.

[Tuk]

Tuk tell me if you take it with reverse osmosis. there is a tank in the computer, so this tank must be hung or it is possible without it (I would like with osmosis, but this tank is just nowhere, sorry, vpendyurit)

I have Zepterovsky osmosis (but they are all, in principle, almost like twins). It will not work without a storage tank, since it filters water about 5 liters per hour. Imagine how long it will take to fill the kettle. And so it goes into the drive itself slowly, and then when you need to type. Unless to look for this same drive with a smaller volume (it seems that there are the smallest 6L or 8L I don't know for sure). I recently monitored the market because my mom was looking for a filter. As a result, the Polish Leader was rated as the best in terms of price / quality. But then we have ... She also has little space under the sink - a curbstone of 45 cm.We got out of the situation like this: all the filtering (3 flasks and another filter and a membrane on top) under the sink are attached to the wall of the cabinet (there is still a free trash bin placed there), and the storage tank is in the next cabinet, only 2 thin tubes are supplied to it, so a small the hole was enough. IMHO, after Hairpin placed a dishwasher in her kitchen, nothing is impossible for me in terms of placement

For a week now, sulfur has been burning in one place .... I want a coffee machine. I want it and that's it. But the price (((((frightens off. This is our monthly earnings. I have a carob, she is 17 years old. But I want an automatic one, no hassle. What to do? Take or not take? That is the question. I should also know that she is will last a long time (((

[dandelion]

dandelion, I advise you to read the whole Temka and there will be fewer questions, and you yourself can decide. And if we can help.

Well, that's all .... the sulfur has gone out. Bought DeLonqhi ESAM-2800. Approached for the price. Does anyone have one?

For a week now, sulfur has been burning in one place .... I want a coffee machine. I want it and that's it. But the price (((((frightens off. This is our monthly earnings. I have a carob, she is 17 years old. But I want an automatic, no hassle. What to do? To take or not to take? That is the question. I should also know that she will last a long time (((

Congratulations on your purchase !!!
Don't worry, the machine will last a long time if used properly. I strongly recommend that you take a responsible approach to programming water hardness!

Well, that's all .... the sulfur has gone out. Bought DeLonqhi ESAM-2800.

Not a bad car. In fact, it is no different from the top models of the same manufacturer or others. After all, the main difference from more expensive models, basically, lies in the absence of an information display and a container for preparing frothed milk, or rather milk foam. So do not worry, but rather pay more attention to studying the instructions and various recipes for making coffee.

In principle, I understand a little. I love cappuccino. Now I'm training to whip milk into microfoam. All good .

Uryayayaya, my machine today asked to be washed - decalcification I already washed it - the water with the solution flowed out absolutely clean - maybe this medium completely dissolves the scale or it was not at all

Congratulations! Yes, Irina, the water flows out clean, absolutely no scale is visible. After her, I wash the teapots with this water, on the advice of Gween.

Thank you Ritochka And where were you before: (It was a sinful thing for me to think about it - rinse the teapots with water, but I slowed down something: - I thought that no one seemed to write about reuse and poured it into the sink: pardon: Now I'm sitting and I think where to get the medium for the next wash, there was only one bottle in the kit

Uryayayaya, my machine today asked to be washed - decalcification I already washed it - the water with the solution flowed out absolutely clean - maybe this medium completely dissolves the scale or it was not at all

How long does it take to use CM?

I wonder if you can wash the washing machine with this solution?

Thank you Ritochka And where were you before: (It was a sinful thing for me to think about it - rinse the teapots with water, but I slowed down something: - I thought that no one seemed to write about reuse and poured it into the sink: pardon: Now I'm sitting and I think where to get the medium for the next wash, only one bottle was included

In stores such as Eldorado, Search, M. Video, these funds are.

[Dandelion]

Dandelion it took me a little more than a year, but I used water purified through a filter A special agent is used for Delonghi, another is written in the passport

[Dandelion]

Dandelion it took me a little more than a year, but I used water purified through a filter A special agent is used for Delonghi, another is written in the passport

It seems to me that it is possible and on the forum they wrote that they used a different medium.But I will not argue.

... Now I sit and think about where to get the medium for the next rinse, there was only one bottle in the kit

Irish, representatives from Delonghi say that you can clean with any product that does not contain sulfa and oxalic acids. I'm cleaning this means, it is based on citric acid.

Ours also asked to be cleaned ........ There was a husband at the Saeko dealership, they said you can clean with any product for coffee machines. Cleaned up ... and the neem effect ...

And as you can see that the neem effect After cleaning, after all, there is no inscription, that you need to clean it - everything appears to be successful. At least so

I'll hit your shelf here
Recently became the owner coffee machines
No questions yet. Enjoy with home
But as soon as I know where to read. Thank you!!

Bon Appetit!!! Especially to Santa Claus !!!!

It can be cleaned and it was cleaned ... but the sensor did not turn off ... blinking. But coffee brews ....

[Teen_tinka]

It can be cleaned and it was cleaned ... but the sensor did not turn off ... it blinks. But coffee makes ...

Teen_tinka
When you turn off the coffee machine at night, unplugging the power cord from the coffee machine may help. In the morning, turn it on as usual, I think it will help. Most likely there was some kind of failure in the electronics.

Margit, tricky advice. But I'll try.

The outlet experiment failed ... the same result. I will torture the trading company ...

[Teen_tinka]

Teen_tinka
Very sorry! And what model is the coffee machine? And if you try again to "clean" the car from "scale", but this time just with clean water. Maybe this will help, everything is better than wandering around the SC.

We have Saeko Talea Giro + B2. I'm still getting them by phone ... personally, if anything ... I'll be there on Monday ...

[Teen_tinka]

Teen_tinka Happy problem solving!

The epic with the typewriter ended ..... by itself. On Monday, the office did not work, on Tuesday evening I did not have time - work after all. And in the evening the sensor went out by itself. Everything is working. A friend giggled: "The full moon has passed - all the equipment is at work !!!"
I don't know about the full moon, but ..... and the machine was cleaned thoroughly, for 6 tablets ...

[Teen_tinka]

The epic with the typewriter ended ..... by itself. On Monday, the office did not work, on Tuesday evening I did not have time - work after all. And in the evening the sensor went out by itself. Everything is working. A friend giggled: "The full moon is over - all the equipment is at work !!!"
I don't know about the full moon, but ..... and the machine was cleaned thoroughly, for 6 tablets ...

Teen_tinka Congratulations!
All is well that ends well! Enjoy your coffee !!!

[Margit]

Thank you Margit Apparently technology should also be given a rest from women - and not just women from it.

Hello everyone! I would like to express my gratitude to the participants of this forum for their help in choosing a coffee machine. After reading all the messages in this thread, I bought a Delonghi ECAM 23.450.S.

I've been using it for three weeks and still can't get used to it. The quality of the coffee is not bad, but I would like a better result. I understand that all this is a matter of time and experimentation with the varieties and quantities of coffee itself.

And my question is about cappuccino. The first week, the milk went astray normally, and then ceased to go astray altogether. I cleaned and washed all the tubes - cones. I've tried all kinds of milk. I put it in the freezer for cooling. The result is a little better, but there is no good milk froth. Please explain where to look for the hole that needs to be cleaned with a needle? Maybe this is the reason.

Thank you in advance for your response.

[Euphoria]

And my question is about cappuccino. The first week, the milk went astray normally, and then ceased to go astray altogether. I cleaned and washed all the tubes - cones. I've tried all kinds of milk. I put it in the freezer for cooling. The result is a little better, but there is no good milk froth.Please explain where to look for the hole that needs to be cleaned with a needle? Maybe this is the reason.

Euphoria You have a coffee machine with an automatic cappuccinatore, you don't have to clean anything here, there is no panarello, which means there is no hole in it. In more expensive models, for example, the DeLonghi PrimaDonna, there is a pannarello, an auto cappuccinatore, and two boilers, you can make coffee and whip the foam at the same time. Therefore, when girls ask for advice on which machine to buy, I advise coffee machines with just two boilers. A thousand times I was convinced myself that this would greatly facilitate the preparation of coffee - no need to switch over and cool the boiler, etc. What kind of milk do you use, maybe it's the case? Try Parmalat or Valio. May be nut - Irina will tell you, she has had the same machine for more than a year, she has experience. nut, Ooh!

[Euphoria]

Euphoria it is necessary to rinse the lid with a spout well, remove the tube from the bottom, pull out the rotary valve from above, aligning the arrow with the inscription insert and rinse the through hole well, then rinse the nozzle itself with hot water, letting a stream of water into all the holes on it, insert the valve into place aligning the arrow with with the inscription, it is good to wipe after each preparation of the foam the tube itself, which sticks out of the machine on which the cappuccinatore is put on. And yet - the amount of foam is regulated by the valve, there are drawn cups numbered 1, 2, 3 - maybe someone turned the valve and put the pointer (arrow) on the first cup and naturally there will be almost no foam Try and write the result
Ritochka -then I

Nut, thanks for the advice. I washed everything, the valve was installed as it should, the foam became better. I also noticed one detail: when you make cappuccino several cups in a row, the first cup turns out to be with poor foam, the second is better, the third is simply excellent. I bought different types of milk, which were just mentioned in this topic, the best foam is obtained from Milok 3.2% milk and 0.5% Parmalat on the third cup. Is it all like that with cappuccino or just me?

Another interesting detail: the inscription "descale" appeared on the car. I don’t understand where scale could have appeared in 3 weeks of using the machine, especially since I use water purified through an ostmos, I even have no scale in my kettle for 2 years of use. Has anyone had this?

Coffee lovers, the question suddenly arose: how do you store coffee beans, those that are used? I have them in a purchased bag with a clip and stand, but somehow I got tired of opening it, unfold it, wrap it up, close it, and I decided to buy a glass container for it. And the amount of coffee is visible. And it seems more convenient to me. But still I decided to ask you, maybe you have better ideas?

We don't buy a lot of grains - so 1kg of Arabica and 1kg (blend of Arabica + Robusta) - each according to their preferences. When we open the package, we pour some part into a glass jar (some from under Chibo glass). Roll up the rest tightly under the clothespin. All cans and packages go to the freezer compartment - fortunately, there is a place there. Every time for coffee we go to the freezer ... We don't take coffee for roasting ... until ... maybe later we will come to this.

Another question ... to pour from the freezer right away or let the grains defrost?

Another question ... to pour from the freezer right away or let the grains defrost?

Pour immediately, they are not frozen. Dry!

I agree - he did not freeze. There is not so much moisture in the grains - I have never noticed needles of frost on them.

Thank you all! And I bastard got them out in advance.

[Euphoria]

Nut, thanks for the advice. I washed everything, the valve was installed as it should, the foam became better. I also noticed one detail: when you make several cups of cappuccino in a row, the first cup turns out with bad foam, the second is better, the third is just excellent. I bought different types of milk, which were just mentioned in this topic, the best foam is obtained from Milok 3.2% milk and 0.5% Parmalat on the third cup.Is it all like that with cappuccino or just me?

Another interesting detail: the inscription "descale" appeared on the car. I don’t understand where scale could have appeared in 3 weeks of using the machine, especially since I use water purified through an ostmos, I even have no scale in my kettle for 2 years of use. Has anyone had this?

Euphoria , I apologize, I did not see your message right away. Before making yourself a cup of coffee, run the hot water a couple of times per cup. Both the cup and the straws in the coffee machine will warm up, the coffee will be hot and with excellent froth. You yourself write that the third cup is excellent. This is the answer to your question.
About the inscription about the scale. Apparently, you haven't changed the factory settings from the very beginning. Read the instructions on how to instruct the machine to descale. Choose the purest water, in this case the machine will ask you to clean it very soon. Now turn on the "descaling" program and simply run clean water. Good luck !!!

Shl. And now there is a reverse osmosis system in my house, the water tastes good! I'm happy!!

Girls, I asked to clean it in 2 months after the start of use. This is normal ? We drink 4 cups a day ....