Breadmaker choice: programmable unknown or known non-programmable?

The bread maker has never been used. We used a slow cooker.
On the one hand, we choose a relatively well-known model - it is known how it behaves with one mode or another - we read the topic + baking theory from the forum and a quick start is ready.
But for me, programmability is so important, because as I see here, even with a multicooker, any even known model does not have a coincidence of instructions with recipes.
And every time to make amendments, this can be torture - it is better to study the theory properly on the forum and program a couple of three additional programs for yourself from practice - is it more universal?
In short, I choose between redmond 1908 and Vitek 1993
Do I understand correctly, or am I mistaken in an amateurish way, or is the truth in the middle and sideways?

Do I understand correctly, or am I mistaken in an amateurish way, or is the truth in the middle and sideways?

The truth lies precisely on the side. The best bread maker according to the forum is Panasonic. Panasonic does not make programmable stoves, which means they are not especially needed. It is much more practical to adapt the recipe for the stove than vice versa! The only problem is the amount of banknotes that must be paid for the pans, it is much more. The problem is most often offered to be solved by going shopping on Avito. In a nutshell, the truth looks something like this.

The best bread maker according to the forum is Panasonic.

I completely agree! Of the 6 HP that I personally used, Panas is the best! It's a pity that he is too big for me!

Yes, Panasiki, especially for beginners, is a very good choice, and the recipes from the instructions are great and there are a lot of recipes here. I have a panasonic 2511, before it was Redmond and Mystery, Redmond is still alive, is used as a kneader for butter dough, because he bakes the wrong bread, tried to reproduce bread according to Panasik recipes, Redmond bakes them, but the taste is completely different. Reprogram panasik not possible, but you can play with pre-mixing, etc., you just need to know the mat. part and understand the kneading and baking processes. We have a topic about Panasiki, where they will help you if you need help and clarification.
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With bread makers, I don't know how things are. My choice was made in favor of a certain one only because there are two buckets in the set. And one of them is for two small loaves. Which I use constantly. Convenient if you bake for two families, or two different types of bread. For example, usual for the first and second courses or sandwiches and milk for coffee-tea. It also has a self-programming function. I have never used it yet. But, I think, for rye or wheat-rye it will be all the same.
I chose the multicooker only with the programming function. Which I use constantly. Of the built-in programs, only "yogurt" and "languor" were needed. Although, they can also be perfectly displayed on the master chef

I have Panasonic more than 25 years old !!!!! This is what I have, but my mother-in-law gave it to me. The very first, probably. 3 buttons, dough and bread and a snooze After him I played a couple of other non-Pansons, programmed in various ways. Heaven and earth, broke. And Panasik is alive and well. Probably my grandchildren will use it!

My choice was made in favor of a certain one only because there are two buckets in the set. And one of them is for two small loaves. Which I use constantly.Convenient if you bake for two families, or two different types of bread.

How different? Sweet butter bread has a completely different kneading and baking mode than, for example, toast bread, I'm not talking about mixed bread at all.
How can you combine the making of such different breads? To bake two small identical loaves, instead of one large one, is yes, it is convenient, you can share and treat someone with your bread, but "you cannot harness a horse and a quivering doe in one cart."

[Crown]

Crown, I don't bake baked goods at all. I wrote - milk. I can have one regular, the other with spices, or with garlic. Or pumpkin puree. SINGLE mode The bread is different. Really different. One with butter, the other with olive. Or with mustard. So ... doe are different (laugh ...)

Those who did not have panasik will not understand what we are talking about, different breads cannot be prepared in the same conditions, the taste of some will suffer. It is not possible to bake high quality gray and white under the same conditions. I tried to bake a "Frenchie" in another oven, the same ingredients, the same weight distribution, the result is not the same, that is the wrong taste, and that's it. Until you try it yourself, you don't understand

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik LudmilaYou just do not understand what I said. If, for example, you fry meat with the addition of rosemary, there will be one taste, and with the addition of chaman, another. I meant the same when I spoke about different types of bread. Replacing one vegetable oil with another (and even butter) does not require changing the baking regime. What does the HP brand have to do with it? I do not argue, perhaps Panasonic is unsurpassed, but I said only what I had in mind, nothing more. At the older daughter-in-law Panasonic. She uses it as a kneader or dough preparation. Bakes in the oven. Once I tried it and ... she says - the taste is so much better that I don't even want to compare. To each his own

[Anna]

Anna, yeah, now I understand, one dough, different additives. Yes, it can be done in one mode, bake at the same time. But here everyone has their own needs. By the way, many people knead and frustrate in panasik, and bake in the oven. For example, I bake rye bread this way, knead in panasik, bake in a slow cooker, I don't have an oven.

I tried to bake a "Frenchie" in another oven, the same ingredients, the same weight distribution, the result is not the same, that is the wrong taste, and that's it.

That's for sure, when I still had a programmable Polaris, I put on a program like the French from Panasonic. The bread was much better than on auto programs, but not at all that in native Panas.

I'm for a programmable stove. There are more opportunities, less dancing. I don't use auto-programs, or rather I use them, but I correct them for myself. The pastries are in my oven. For the test, you can make as many strokes as you want and increase or decrease the duration. Possibility to bake bread on rye sourdough without hesitation with proofing up to 6 hours. And what is needed, everyone decides for himself. My daughter-in-law proved to me that Panasonic is an ideal. Maybe. But when she put rye sourdough on the knead in my HP, set the time and forgot about it, then she thought. I have bork800

In my opinion, a programmable bread maker is needed for those who are fond of baking sourdough bread. For baking with industrial yeast, automatic programs are usually sufficient. Well, maybe even bread with a high content of rye flour needs something special, because even a special program for rye bread does not always cope with such baking.

In my opinion, a programmable bread maker is needed for those who are fond of baking sourdough bread.

That's right, but before, when I was choosing my bread maker, I had no idea that I would be greatly carried away by sourdough baking.

Yes, baking is such a thing. The claw got stuck - the whole bird is lost.

I have LG, a very good stove. Before that there was a Japanese Sanyo