Panasonic Bread Makers Problems and Breakdowns

It is clear, then the bottom is opening, but I'm afraid the holes will not match. We will look for a man with golden hands (It's tense with them now)

Opens - opens, here it is even drawn as:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/im.../panasonic/SD-207_man.pdf
I think that there is no difference with the 207th in this. They just have different brains and power, and everything else is the same, I mean all sorts of pieces of iron, screws.

HP warranty !!! But how do you imagine the delivery of HP in the SC due to a bad crust? How can they be convinced of this !!! What do they have in the SC to bake bread? And they will start giving advice with the ingredients, and then they will say: "HP is working !!" It's another matter if the HP is completely not working !!! Here for SC everything is clear as a bright day !!

I understand that communication with people from service centers rarely gives us pleasure, but once again I insist that the STATED OPTION "COLOR OF THE SHORT" does not work in your version, there are ways to check the operation of the sensor, I assure you, the temperature curve should be spelled out in those. documentation for the stove, or whatever they have ... in short, if there is a discrepancy in the temperature regime, it is revealed.
: smartass: If the hands grow from where they should grow in men, you can tighten the screw, perhaps it will be easier.

Thinking out loud:
1. Ingredients cannot be discarded. The forum is full of stories about the effects of flour, yeast, salt, and even water quality on bread.
2. The mechanics are different for everyone. Also on the forum there are observations of owners of very inexpensive stoves about the "dead" corners of the bucket, where flour always remains. Plus the power of the motor and the rotational speed of the blade. Power and location of heating elements (heating elements?), Fan or just holes for air. The thickness of the insulation layer, or bucket. You can go on and on.
3. And what are the different programs ... I do not remember the duration of the individual stages. You turn on different ovens for a banal dough. It's just a different philosophy!
4. But the sensors may be similar. Not bimetal exactly. It is not enough for HP brains simply to know "the temperature has reached 160 degrees." You need an absolute temperature. Kneading, lifting, baking different breads. Either thermocouple or thermocouple.

A screw on the wall of the stove regulates the degree of pressing the thermosensor against the wall, or the micro-gap between them.

The main thing with all this dissimilarity, we all have BREAD, which we deserve with our patience, attention, love for HP (underline the necessary).

I absolutely agree with you and I have no questions on this. I simplified everything and just dropped your first three points, taking as a basis that everything is in N. And I stopped at your fourth point. There are two options here: either an adjustable bimetal plate (you protested it), or the DISTANCE of the temperature sensor to the bucket.
Maybe there is a possibility of adjustment here?

I understand that communicating with people from service centers rarely gives us pleasure, but once again I insist that the STATED OPTION "SHORT COLOR" does not work in your version, there are ways to check the operation of the sensor, I assure you, the temperature curve should be spelled out in those. documentation for the stove, or whatever they have ... in short, if there is a discrepancy in the temperature regime, it is revealed.
: smartass: If the hands grow from where they should grow in men, you can tighten the screw, perhaps it will be easier.

Perhaps you are completely right !! But I live in Odessa, and the SPECIALIZED SC is located in Kiev !!! And the SC, which is available in Odessa, is not SPECIALIZED, and therefore it hardly has any temperature graphs for HP.In the best case, he can give a diagnosis of the FAULT of the product and then request a faulty unit (part) from the manufacturer or a specialized SC.
PS. Maybe I'm wrong.

Here, I found something: https: //Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1842.0, by the way, the search engine reacted to the word "cog"

[Sonechka]

Here, I found something: https: //Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1842.0, by the way, the search engine reacted to the word "cog"

Thanks for the link. She helped me a lot, since she gave me the answer that DISASSEMBLY HP will not give me anything. The stove needs to be dragged to the SC and checked there !! The only bad thing is that Sonechka - the owner of HP does not write how she solved her problem with her stove and whether she solved it at all.
She does not visit the forum since 23.01.08. I wrote to her in PM. Tomorrow I'll call or go to the SC. I will find out how they will help me.

HP warranty !!! But how do you imagine the delivery of HP in the SC due to a bad crust? How can they be convinced of this !!! What do they have in the SC to bake bread? And they will start giving advice with the ingredients, and then they will say: "HP is working !!" It's another matter if the HP is completely not working !!! Here for SC everything is clear as a bright day !!

I had to contact the Odessa ss LG about the smell when baking.
So they are. yes. they baked bread directly in ss. A good master got caught
And the crust in the li became quite ruddy somewhere after 7-8 bakes.

Today I called the Panasonic SC in Odessa and told them that my bread maker does not bake quite normally !!! They told me to bring it to the SC. I asked them that, most likely, I will have to drag the bread ingredients too ?? !!! To this I was answered by a funny little girl from the SC, that the main thing is to drag your bread maker, and we ourselves will bring the ingredients from the house !!

I handed over my HP with a service center. They said they would be ready in 3-4 days if they didn't have to order parts for her !!

I had to contact the Odessa ss LG about the smell when baking.
So they are. yes. they baked bread directly in ss. A good master got caught
And the crust in the li became quite ruddy somewhere after 7-8 bakes.

By the way - this is exactly the TOT service center you are writing about. On Lieutenant Schmidt Street 21.

Today I called the SC and they answered me the following: "We baked three breads and we really liked it !! You can pick up your bread machine tomorrow!" I asked them what they regulated in KP. Answer: "Nothing! Your bread INSIDE is baked completely !!" I objected to them that before my bread was baked INSIDE completely, but the crust, especially the top one, is always baked pale, regardless of the selected mode: light, medium, dark! "To this was the answer:" We all baked bread on a medium crust mode and we have nothing to compare with !!! The bread is the same color !!!! "To this I replied that there is no top crust at all, since it always turns out to be pale and its thickness is less than 1 mm and looks like parchment and is not crunchy at all, while the crust of the rest of the bread = 3-4 mm and although it is also light, but more or less fried and crispy !!! But again, the color of the rest of the crust does not change in any way from the selected mode. Answer of the SC: "We have repaired TWO bread machines all the time (none of them Panasonic !!) and your THIRD! ! You need to get another bread maker of YOUR MODEL somewhere in order to compare the color of the crust with your bread maker !! "To this I answered them, WHY to look for another bread maker, if on my bread maker you just need to get three different color crusts on if this does not work, then we can conclude that the modes for choosing the color of the crust does not work and the HP needs to be adjusted !! To this I was answered: "There is NOTHING to regulate in the HP, since everything is very simple there: a microcircuit, a temperature sensor and a heating element and nothing else !!! And there is also software embedded in the microcircuit !! So there is nothing to regulate !!! Your HP is working and what else do you want? "But tomorrow morning they promised to bake another bread, but this time in the DARK crust mode, so that you can compare the color with the other three loaves baked in the MEDIUM crust mode !!!
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QUESTION to all owners of Panasonic SD255 (SD253, SD254):

- is the TOP CRUSH baked well and its thickness
-is the same thickness and color of the top crust and crust of the rest of the bread
-does the color of the crust (top and rest of the bread) change from the selected mode (light, medium, dark) and does the color of the crust differ greatly visually

I look forward to your prompt reply, because tomorrow afternoon I am planning to go to the SC. And I will attach your answers from the forum to the SC as an argument in favor of the fact that the adjustment of the crust color should still work !!!
Thanks in advance for your feedback-responses !!

- is the TOP CRUSH baked well and its thickness
-is the same thickness and color of the top crust and crust of the rest of the bread
-does the color of the crust (top and rest of the bread) change from the selected mode (light, medium, dark) and does the color of the crust differ greatly visually

- good, from 2 to 4 mm (depending on the recipe and type of wheat flour),
- the top crust is slightly, 1-1.5 mm thinner than the side ones, and a little lighter on the sides (on some recipes + the exposed "dark crust" color of all parts of the bread is the same),
- changes, tasted on the same flour (+ bran) it turns out (according to the mode) yellow, golden and light brown.

Z. Y. Several times the top crust was thin (like an eggshell), as if crumpled, like a light yellow parchment. At the same time, the side ones were thin and light (the crumb was baked). Reasons: 1 time it was a fast mode and little water, the other two were old Makfa.

I have already posted a photo of my bread on a medium crust. The color is the same on all sides. Usually I bake on a light crust, I don't like toasted bread. I didn't even try on a dark crust.

- the top crust is slightly, 1-1.5 mm thinner than the side ones, and a little lighter on the sides (on some recipes + the exposed "dark crust" color of all parts of the bread is the same),
- changes, tried on the same flour

Even nothing to add. Definitely - the crust color changes depending on the selected crust color.

-Z. S. Several times the top crust was thin (like an eggshell), as if crumpled, like a light yellow parchment. At the same time, the side ones were thin and light (the crumb was baked). Reasons: 1 time it was a fast mode and little water, the other two were old Makfa.

This is exactly the kind of crust I get.

This is exactly the kind of crust I get.

I don't think you are a fan of the old Macfa (or other brands).
And you know not by hearsay about the appearance of the kolobok!

I experimented with the proportions of the ingredients and their quality. I did it purely according to the recipe and with recipe changes: I added and subtracted water and flour. The quality of the kolobok was normal in all cases. I chose medium and dark crust, but the result is the same: pale, thin, parchment and soft TOP crust !!! That is, none !!

HP warranty !!! But how do you imagine the delivery of HP in the SC due to a bad crust? How can they be convinced of this !!! What do they have in the SC to bake bread? And they will start giving advice with the ingredients, and then they will say: "HP is working !!" It's another matter if the HP is completely not working !!! Here for SC everything is clear as a bright day !!

So, you can send it to the service center without any hesitation. With Panas 253 I had just the opposite problem - I burned the crust and there were dark stripes on the bread in the area of ​​the heating element. Everything was decided by replacing the temperature sensor. Now the crust is fine, but lately the top of the bread is falling through. I think it comes from experimenting with whole grain flour and yeast.
So call them, complain that pale bread in all modes, you MUST REPLACE the thermal sensor!
And yet, take a look at the ALGO forum posting a service manual for Panasonic 207.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ask=view&id=106&Itemid=27
The first point there is just the pale color of the crust and the reasons behind it.
The service manul poops from the site, print it out and poke it in the face of the face with the first point, demanding its high-quality repair and replacement - a thermal sensor and a printed circuit board (Depending on what is the defect?
They have no right to refuse repair!

These "friends" from the SC are trying to hang noodles on my ears.They DIDN'T DISASSEMBLE HP, but followed the path of least resistance, namely, they started baking bread samples with different crust colors.
I told them to show two different samples with different crust colors.
They agreed. I was with them today at 11.00 and they told me that the bread would be ready in 1.5 hours (by timer). I called the SC at 14.30 and my aunt told me that there was a surge in voltage and therefore the bread is NOT READY STILL !!! That is, in theory, the bread was supposed to be ready at 12.30 o'clock, but it WAS NOT STILL ready at 14.30 o'clock. My conclusion: their network disappeared and after its appearance the HP did not continue to work according to the program, since the network was probably not available for more than 10 minutes and the program got lost. And they failed to install the program on a new one, since the HP was giving out "TEMP" (overheating) info. They had to wait for the cooling of the CP (1-2 hours) in order to continue baking the bread !!!
After that, they CONTINUED to bake bread, but the bread was baked in TWO RECEPTIONS.
The SC master told me that the crust of the bread turned out to be darker than before. This is natural if you bake the same bread TWICE!
And he offered me to take HP !!! They are going to give me a document that the bread maker is CORRECT !!!
I said that I have a SERVICE MANUAL in my hands where everything is prescribed and in particular the procedure for diagnosing all HP hardware, including those with resistance parameters in ohms and kilo-ohms !! The voice of the SC master was somewhat depressed ..... And he also realized that I was not a sucker in electrical appliances and I understand their repair !!
I AM VERY VERY THANKS to zabu for the link to the SERVICE manual !!! With this manual, I myself can figure it out and PROVE that the HP is faulty. For me, this manual is a trump ace !!!
Thanks again VERY MUCH !!

After my conversation with the SC master 3 hours ago, he just called me CAM and said that he supposedly agreed that there was a HP malfunction and that he ordered a new electronic board, which they would have to wait for.
If the payment does not arrive at the SC, then I will be given a conclusion that the HP is defective and, due to the lack of parts, must be returned to the store.

I don't know very well how many days SC can repair my HP !!! After all, repairs can take a long time !!!
How many days can a repair take in the SC? What does the Law of Ukraine say about this?

In my opinion, I was good at fucking !! Today I called the SC and I was informed that they ordered a payment for my HP, but it will have to wait for at least 21 days. I asked if I could take HP home for this time. I was told YES. I was in a hurry, and therefore when I arrived at the SC I only looked at the completeness of the HP.
The receptionist told me IF WE CANNOT REPAIR, WE WILL GIVE YOU A DOCUMENT THAT HP CANNOT BE REPAIRED !!! And THIS she said insistently TWO times !! She rewrote the receipt (I handed over the old one with my signature), and in the new one she indicated that the HP is with the client, and they have ONLY a WARRANTY CARD. At home, when I looked at the HP, the bucket turned out to be barbarously scratched to the metal with a knife: it can be seen that they "picked out" bread from the bucket !!! Such scratches on the non-stick coating of the bucket are extremely deep and not very much about 30 pieces !! I called the SC, but their working day had already ended and some kind of hard worker picked up the phone, but the right people were gone !!
Extremely upset !!! In fact, the HP was disabled by these goats from the SC !!
Tomorrow they will probably say to me: “But how did you accept the stove from us?” Or: “It was so !!”
I don't even know what to do !! I do not have enough anger towards these goats, but even more angry at myself !!
Interestingly, and the SC can order a new bucket under the WARRANTY (that is, for the ball)?
And then, if SC gives me (so they ALREADY want it, seeing that they actually disabled my HP !!) a document that HP cannot be repaired, will the store accept it from me with obvious damage to the non-stick coating?

Tell me, are the buckets of different Panasonic models the same and interchangeable? Or a bucket of one HP Panasonic model does not fit another HP Panasonic model?

Tell me, are the buckets of different Panasonic models the same and interchangeable? Or a bucket of one HP Panasonic model does not fit another HP Panasonic model?

All models have exactly the same buckets.
And if the SC recognizes that the stove cannot be repaired, then what difference will it make whether there are scratches there or not ... not nice, of course ...

All models have exactly the same buckets.
And if the SC recognizes that the stove cannot be repaired, then what difference will it make whether there are scratches there or not ... not nice, of course ...

That is, the store is absolutely on the drum of the condition and appearance of the delivered item (HP)? And I shouldn't have problems with them? Did I understand you correctly?

That is, the store is absolutely on the drum of the condition and appearance of the delivered item (HP)? And I shouldn't have problems with them? Did I understand you correctly?

If there is a conclusion of experts, they should not

If there is a conclusion of experts, they should not

The conclusion of the experts will be approximately as follows: a malfunction of the electronic board, due to the absence (non-receipt) of this board, repair is IMPOSSIBLE!
Would that be ENOUGH for the store to accept a "skinned" bread maker?
Will scratches be the reason for NOT ACCEPTING HP back to the store?

The conclusion of the experts will be approximately as follows: a malfunction of the electronic board, due to the absence (non-receipt) of this board, repair is IMPOSSIBLE!
Would that be ENOUGH for the store to accept a "skinned" bread maker?
Will scratches be the reason for NOT ACCEPTING HP back to the store?

No, they will not do! They have no right to refuse, since you are not complaining about the bucket, but about a malfunction of the electronic part and this complaint will be documented.

It is not clear why it was necessary to take the faulty stove from the service?
Now all that remains is to hope that, due to the lack of a board, the SC will not be able to repair the stove. Provided that the SC has authorization from Panasonic, the fee will come almost 100% - it's only a matter of time. And if the board comes and the stove is repaired, what to do with the spoiled bucket?
Does the receipt mention any repair times? If not, then you are in luck, now wait 21 days, and then write a claim to the seller demanding to terminate the purchase agreement due to the impossibility to repair the stove within a reasonable time.

Today I called the SC and the receptionist to my claim that the bucket was peeled off and told me that they would order a new bucket, but that there might be a week's delay in the delivery of the board. In addition, I was told that after 21 days, if the payment is not received, the SC is ready to give me a certificate for the delivery of HP to the store. And if I continue to wait, they promise to repair 100% !! In short, the SC with the client agrees with everything he asks for !!
God grant that their words do not diverge from their deeds !!

PS. My HP bakes bread normally, but the SHORT function does not work. I decided to take the HP because I knew that the girls from the SC were baking bread on it every day. I wanted the HP not to be ripped off !!! But I DID NOT SUCCESS !!! They still managed to rip her off !!

Today I called the SC and the receptionist to my claim that the bucket was peeled off and told me that they would order a new bucket, but that there might be a weekly delay in the delivery of the board. In addition, I was told that after 21 days, if the payment is not received, the SC is ready to give me a certificate for the delivery of HP to the store. And if I continue to wait, they promise to repair 100% !! In short, the SC with the client agrees with everything he asks for !!
God grant that their words do not diverge from their deeds !!

PS. My HP bakes bread normally, but the SHORT function does not work. I decided to take the HP because I knew that the girls from the SC were baking bread on it every day. I wanted the HP not to be ripped off !!! But I DID NOT SUCCESS !!! They still managed to rip her off !!

You see, but the M-Video service also ripped off the bucket during the repair and did not even apologize. He says that the defects and the condition when they described were not indicated, they did not see, they themselves and are to blame. The dispenser was not repaired (there is a gap in it) and the bucket is crookedly inserted.They said that it was not a marriage and did not write a complaint for a return. So I stayed with a peeled bucket and a dispenser spilling past the bucket. And there was nothing to change for. Indeed, by that time Panasonic 253 was discontinued.

HELLO TO FORUM RESIDENTS!
BOUGHT DAYS PANASONIC 255
TRIED DIFFERENT BAKING MODES, BUT EVERYWHERE THE SHORT IS PAL, IS THIS REALLY A MARRIAGE? I HAVE ANOTHER NEDNLKA, CAN I RETURN TO THE STORE?

HELLO TO FORUM RESIDENTS!
BOUGHT DAYS PANASONIC 255
TRIED DIFFERENT BAKING MODES, BUT EVERYWHERE THE SHORT IS PAL, IS THIS REALLY A MARRIAGE? I HAVE ANOTHER NEDNLKA, CAN I RETURN TO THE STORE?

If the marriage - then return of course. Only turn off Caps Lock

HELLO TO FORUM RESIDENTS!
BOUGHT DAYS PANASONIC 255
TRIED DIFFERENT BAKING MODES, BUT EVERYWHERE THE SHORT IS PAL, IS THIS REALLY A MARRIAGE? I HAVE ANOTHER NEDNLKA, CAN I RETURN TO THE STORE?

If you baked French or milk, the crust could really seem light ... it depends on what you think is light
Maybe not everything is so scary

If you were baking French or milk, the crust might actually appear light.)

I baked basic, French, rye. Everywhere the crust is pale. Can someone show you what a dark crust looks like. or at least average

I baked basic, French, rye. Everywhere the crust is pale. Can someone show you what a dark crust looks like. or at least average

Well, it looks like dark, like a well-toasted toast, medium - a little lighter. Have you never baked? Everything is relative, you need to compare only based on your experience. Many ingredients affect the degree of roastiness: for example, milk or eggs will give a more ruddy crust, even on "light". Sweet bread is also more reddened. And my rye on the corresponding program is also fried strongly, I even turn it off 10 minutes earlier.
So try, see, compare.

Hello!

I ask your help to deal with the bread maker.

How can I reset the settings in this bread maker if the wrong program was selected before baking. According to the instructions "hold the" Stop "button for more than 1 second" I tried it - it does not help, maybe I am doing something wrong? Maybe you can't reset them at all, you need to carefully expose everything from the beginning?

Help pliz. I'm new to this business. We just bought a bread maker.

In general, to stop a program, you really need to press the Stop button. One long beep sounds, the display, the button turns off. I do this, everything works out. If the program has not yet been launched, you can change the settings by pressing the corresponding buttons: Program, mode, etc.

Yes, after pressing the start button for more than 1 second, everything should go out, the display should be empty and dark, after that you need to select the program, mode and so on again and press the start button to start the program.

Thanks for answers.

Yes, I pressed "Stop" the display went out, after I turned it on, all the same incorrect settings were displayed. I even waited 10 minutes for everything to reset to "0" still nothing happened, the previous settings remained all the time

It turns out that after the "Start" button is pressed, it is no longer possible to reset the settings until the program ends?

Until then, change anything and everything.

It is strange that you do not reset information.
I often use reset .. at the last moment, or I will forget to press something or I will confuse the mode ... and everything is in order, I turn off the start by pressing and reprogram.
Let's go in order:
Start more than 1 sec. - here is a blank display after canceling ...
press the program-selected,
press the modes - selected ...
press the size and the crust, choose ... and start again !, started work!
At what point do you release the previously selected program again?

Denvik
Do not be alarmed by the blank display after the program has been reset (long press on the Start button). Feel free to press Mode. Everything will appear.
No need to wait 10 minutes.

It is strange that you do not reset information.
I often use reset .. at the last moment, or I will forget to press something or I will confuse the mode ... and everything is in order, I turn off the start by pressing and reprogram.
Let's go in order:
Start more than 1 sec. - here is a blank display after canceling ...
press the program-selected,
press the modes - selected ...
press the size and the crust, choose ... and start again !, started work!
At what point do you release the previously selected program again?

Hurrah !!!! everything worked
And I see a blank display and I think that the oven is off at that moment and does not work. Even the service center could not help me

I will continue to study, work on myself

Thank you very much

Two weeks since I bought HP. At first it worked very quietly, but now it rattles and trembles. Mix according to the recipe Basic bread. Opening the lid, I found that the bucket was rattling, it seemed to be moving after the bun. In addition, the walls of the bucket are not parallel to the walls of the HP, but they do not touch the shadows. When I set the bucket, I see a clear backlash at the bucket in the direction "towards myself, away from myself." I think that's where the rumble comes from. And how are you, is it thundering, is there such a backlash? Worries, but how will it rattle when kneading dumplings?
And she bakes great, and the dough turns out great

In fact, all the stoves thunder during kneading - louder or quieter - this is an individual perception. All have backlash - this is a design feature. Maybe at first you simply did not pay attention to it, but now you did? I have a Panasonic - if I put bread on at night, then I close the kitchen door, otherwise we will wake up from the roar at night.

In my HP, there is such a heat-resistant rubber gasket between the bucket and the main part. It is so inconspicuous and often flies if you do not pay attention to it. If this gasket is not present, then the HP rattles during kneading. Check, maybe you have the same thing, but you did not notice the gasket and it fell off? Take a good look. If you do not find it, then you will have to contact the service center, they will sell you a new one.

Thank you. Indeed, there should be no such turbulence and rumbling, there should be some kind of amortization, otherwise, over time, the shaft may also become loose. Initially, I did not have any seal. I will call the SC.

Thank you. Indeed, there should be no such bumpiness and rumbling, there should be some kind of amortization, otherwise, over time, the shaft can also become loose. Initially, I did not have any seal. I will call the SC.

Spikelet! Well, there is no gasket in Panasonic! I have had a bread maker for 5 years and no shaft has come loose. Backlash must be required! They even wrote about this on our forum somewhere. It is necessary to look ... At Caprice, pay attention, another bread maker, not Panasonic.
Here is a topic similar to yours https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=3562.0
And one more https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...g13585;topicseen#msg13585

Of course, I will clarify in the SC. But, if HP does not have a shock absorber and it should rattle so much, then this is a drawback of this model. The backlash should have a reasonable limit.