SvetlanaYa
I contacted Phillips and I will write an official answer for those who also choose like me: "Both are good. The difference is in design. The rest of the technical characteristics are the same." Like this)))
SvetlanaYa
It's a pity there is no full shutdown button you have to pull out from the outlet.
Manna
Most multicooker doesn't have one. I unplug all my multicooker.

Svetlana, if this is so important to you, you can buy a plug with a toggle switch and replace it with your own. Redmond sells one.
SvetlanaYa
MannaThanks for the advice, I will keep in mind. The main thing is that the multicooker is clever and beautiful today pleased with delicious milk porridge without a hint of escape)) for this I forgive her for this minor minus!
Manna
Yes, the new models have a really good milk mode.
Nadin1234
Fari, SvetlanaYa, the inner cover is not removable, right? How does she care, does she absorb odors?
SvetlanaYa
Nadin1234, The instructions say that the cover is removable, but I did not take it off, I would not say that it gets dirty, I wipe it with a rag and that's it. Although I have already cooked a lot in it, baked, stewed, I do not see any needs for myself. I liked the bowl in leaving no problems, everything is fine inside, too, it seems convenient to wipe the condensate with a rag. The only fingerprint on the display, but again microfiber to help. Smells, well, maybe there is a little ... but I wash and wipe everything dry, leave it with the lid ajar for a while and don't seem to feel it. There was a smell of plastic when you first turned on when the lemon was boiled and then passed.
Nadin1234
SvetlanaYa, I downloaded your instructions, I didn't find anything about a removable cover. Don't you confuse? It seems that only the top model HD3197 has a cover removed.
Rituslya
Devouli, as I understand it, only models 3197 and 3095 have removable covers. Moreover, not removable inner plates, but whole covers.
SvetlanaYa
Nadin1234, Well, I may not understand something, it is written: picture 2 removable lid, hole for steam outlet. : girl-th: maybe they meant it was just an opening cover. In general, I twisted the cartoon, I turned it around, I don’t know how it is removed, it may really not be removable
Nadin1234
It seems to me that these are translation difficulties: "removable steam outlet cover", ie removable steam valve.
SvetlanaYa
Well, most likely so)))))
Nadin1234
I have many different cartoons, I can compare, and I am very pleased with this Philips model. I needed it with sensory programs for cereals and pilaf. The pilaf turned out to be crumbly at last, otherwise I don't really like how it comes out in pressure cookers. (Here in Brand-701, pilaf was also very good on the sensory program, but I have this cartoon in another apartment).
I am also so pleasantly surprised that after cooking pilaf with various fragrant spices, the multi lid did not absorb the odors, probably the matter is in the good quality of the sealing gum material.
Kissullka
Manna, please tell us the significant differences between multicooker Philips 3197 and Philips 3158. The difference in price is significant. I don't know which one is better to choose. At 3158 everything is fine, but here I caught sight of 3197 and I was confused ((I can't figure it out and is it worth overpaying?
Kissullka
Irina tell me, did you cook porridge in a slow cooker? I bought Phillips 3158 and now I decided to cook buckwheat porridge. Poured 1: 3. cereals two measuring glasses and six measuring glasses of water. An hour later, I see it does not turn off with a spatula on the bottom and it is already burning. I refilled the water, I thought maybe the time was not over yet. and in this way my buckwheat has already been cooked for 2.5 hours. could not stand it turned off. don't understand how the program works ??
Sedne
Kissullka, so you need to set the desired cooking time, what time have you set?
Kissullka
I did not install anything. I thought it was an installed program. I selected the cereal mode with the menu button and pressed start. all. the snake began to run.
Kissullka
the book says that the cooking time is determined automatically.
Rituslya
It is, indeed, determined automatically. First, the snake runs, and then a few minutes before the end there is a countdown.
Try again.
I once messed up the programs blindly, instead of porridge I pressed cereals. Wah! When I looked in, all this milk-rice porridge was boiling right under the lid. But nothing. All the same, it turned out good porridge, albeit wrong.
Kissullka
now put it again. how will it cook, unsubscribe
Rituslya
Elena, yes, the program runs until the liquid has completely evaporated.
Sedne
Rita, does porridge work before evaporation of liquid or cereal?
Kissullka
I'm now cooking on cereal mode
Rituslya
Svetlan, cereals. Porridge at a given time.
Sedne
Quote: Rituslya
Svetlan, groats. Porridge at a given time.
It just seemed to me that the girl put buckwheat on porridge and put it. 1 to 3, and she wrote about porridge, not a side dish
Rituslya
Well ... I cook something all the time on cereals, so I immediately thought about cereals.
Sedne
Quote: Rituslya
Well ... I cook something all the time on cereals, so I immediately thought about cereals.
I myself do not like buckwheat as porridge, but I have a small child (he eats a mess), so I cook in every way, though I haven't cooked buckwheat in Fillet yet, I like to simmer it in Shtebe?)
Kissullka
My buckwheat was cooked. Broke up in a crush. Maybe I'm doing something wrong: 1 multi-glass of cereal, three multi-glasses of water. Rice / cereal program. at the end, the countdown began for 15 minutes. Everyone was watching the cartoons. Squeaked everything. And oh god. Buckwheat is badly boiled. The husband was stunned. We used to have DEX so it contains buckwheat grain from grain. I decided to cook rice from a book. I did everything according to the instructions in the book. I open it and there is boiled rice-smear I AM SHOCKED why this is so. What am I doing wrong ??? I have been choosing for so long. read a lot of reviews. waited for delivery 6 days. AND THERE IS DISAPPOINTMENT HERE, maybe someone knows how to cook cereals correctly ??
Kissullka
and it stuck to the bowl at the bottom in places
Rituslya
Elena, for me, it is so obvious that you take a lot of water. I agree with Svetlana. In such an amount of water, your little Greek girl bathes.
Here's a reference, where Mannochka cooked rice and buckwheat for a side dish. Cartoons are different, but the principle is the same. Try it.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=397643.0
Nadin1234
Kissullka, why do you take 1: 3 for croup? For this multi, 1: 2 is recommended, for rice and for buckwheat (for a side dish, in Rice / Cereal mode), it turns out well. In such a quantity of water, as you take, until it evaporates, the cereal, of course, will have time to digest.
To avoid sticking, the bowl can be lightly greased with oil (I do this for rice, but buckwheat does not stick anyway)
Kissullka
Already slowly they began to deal with our cartoon. My feeling about the wrong choice of a multicooker began to evaporate After our old woman in which all the programs and the time for them were set by default, I immediately did not realize how so what. I want to write a little about Phillips 3158 may be useful to someone. Like everyone else, she was afraid of the smell of plastic. When they printed the smell was. The lemon was immediately boiled. The smell was but not strong. Then I cooked my unfortunate buckwheat. It smelled of both buckwheat and plastic. Today we cooked chicken wings with gravy. It smelled only of delicious meat. The sensor works great, very sensitive. At the expense of the non-removable cover, everything is also in order. It is very easy to wipe clean. I read on the forums that they say it is black and you can see fingerprints. This is also not a global problem, it also wiped it out. The bowl heats up very quickly. The handles are also comfortable. Another plus: there is a child lock. My daughter is 3 years old, she loves to use the buttons. But only the touch panel is blocked, the lid can still be opened. Today we appreciated the fact that on the frying mode (default 15 minutes) I can set my time. I thought that the time can only be changed in multi-cook mode. The old one was not like that.After frying the wings with the onion, they added spices as they lay and set Stew / Stew (default time 1 hour) Time has expired. Squeaked. The meat that looks beautiful whole from the bone did not fall off, but at the same time it is soft and juicy. Regarding my tests of buckwheat and rice, Nadezhda is right about water. In general, you need to make good friends with her to figure out how it works and everything will turn out fine. Thanks to the girls for the advice and tips
Nadin1234
Quote: Kissullka
In general, you need to make good friends with her to figure out how it works and everything will turn out fine
A recipe book to help you It is, in fact, an instruction, there is a detailed description of all modes, here is a table on page 164 - where is the default temperature, in what range the time to change, etc.
Mila Sweetheart
Girls, how do you get baked goods in this cartoon? I am looking for an assistant. There is a pressure cooker and little Redmond. But what is missing is that you can look into the saucepan and add something, whether it's ready to look or not. I just can't guess in time. You need MV for cereals, stewing, baking, yogurt, soups. At the beginning, Temki wrote a not very flattering review of the biscuit. And I want to make friends with him. There are not many recipes for her. It differs greatly from the 3197 model. There is a very big difference in price.
Mila Sweetheart
Oh, and I'm also interested in steaming. I did not see what kind of steamer was in it. Placed on the bottom with legs or on top. I like the upper ones better. Can I bake bread in it? Or maybe someone can compare her with Redmond 150. Maybe someone had both. There it seems like you can change the temperature and time during cooking and the range of a multi-cook is wider.
Nadin1234
Mila Sweetheart, the baking is good, there is a double heating element, it affects, it is baked as it should.
Do not even compare with Redmond, I have a relatively new model M4510, there are both Masterchef light (that is, adjustment during cooking) and Multipovar and Express for evaporation. This does not save all, because the Stew, Soup programs are poorly debugged, so then you need to add and decrease the temperature, you stand and click the buttons.
Phillips has excellently debugged programs, the same Stewing - you can put vegetables without liquid, there is no aggressive heating at the beginning, when it burns without having time to release the juice.
And the programs for steaming in Phillips (Pilaf, Rice / Groats) cannot even be compared, the algorithm is different, I did not specially cook buckwheat on the Express earlier, it didn’t turn out to be tasty, it usually languished in a slow slow, but in Phillips I began to make it on Rice - no worse and does not need to be kept heated.
Milk porridge does not run away, I cooked a couple of times for testing, but I cook them in a pressure cooker, I'm used to it.
3197 is expensive because of the removable lid, the basic programs are the same and the main thing is the same excellent bowl.
Mila Sweetheart
Nadin1234, Thank you. So do the biscuits work well? It is better to focus on the recipes from which CFs in terms of time and modes. And that is not enough for this one.
Nadin1234
Mila Sweetheart, yes, any recipes, just check the temperature and time. For example, the charlotte in the book of recipes for this cartoon is suggested to be done at 150 degrees 45 minutes, and I set 130 degrees for 1 hour.
Mila Sweetheart
Nadin1234, Thank you. I ordered it today. Are the recipes from 3197 suitable? Mannochka tested it. I want proportions and time. In order not to guess. Especially the croup. I didn’t have anything to do with evaporation programs. And cook using the recipe book. Are they relevant?
Have you also tried to bake bread in it?
Mila Sweetheart
Are there any additional bowls for it? Or the native will be enough. What is her quality?
Nadin1234
Mila Sweetheart, the quality of the bowl is very good (innovative coating, nano-ceramic, multi-layer, increased strength ...))
You can buy an additional two types of bowls, if I'm not mistaken (look at the offsite) - simpler non-stick and for frying steaks with a corrugated bottom, well, you can probably just the same.
Recipes from 3197 certainly fit.
There are tips and proportions in the Recipe Book (usually for cereals for a side dish 1: 2 to water). I do rice this way, but buckwheat began to take 1: 2.5 Depends, what kind of richness you like. Sensory programs or steaming means that you don't have to set the time itself, just turn it on and the cartoon will turn off when the cereal is ready.There are two of them: Rice / cereals and Pilaf. In the rest, you can choose the cooking time.
I didn't bake bread in it.
Pilaf is very good at it.
Mila Sweetheart
Nadin1234, thanks for the advice. I bought my mule. Tried the truth so far a little. The yogurt is delicious. From Evitalia. True, the leaven was made in little Redmond. yoghurt was my first dish, and because they brought the cartoon too late, I didn't have time to boil it with a lemon. The temperature is low and in jars. And the next day I forgot that my favorite dish (lemon) was not cooked. The stew put in had a plastic smell at the beginning. Then everything is fine. I really liked the meat with prunes from the recipe book. tasty turned out. There was also a slight smell in the beginning. I'm not very used to buttons yet after my own.
I'm planning to bake some kind of cake. Girls, please tell me the time and temperature, it seems to be changing. Plain biscuit, charlotte, boiled chocolate? What is the best place to start with the proven?
Mila Sweetheart
And another question about cereals. What is the minimum amount you can cook in it? Can I have half a multi-glass?
lastochka
Can you please tell me if bowls 4 and 6 mm thick will fit 3158? Or can only standard, non-stick, etc. be used?
Prices, I'll tell you, jump like hares - for this multicooker, for example, from 11 to 6 thousand
Nadin1234
I cooked in it somehow in general in a Redmond 5-liter bowl, Daikin, it, of course, does not quite fit, a little lower than necessary, but everything was perfectly prepared. But I decided not to do that anymore, to take care of the cartoon, I really like it.
Rituslya
lastochka, now on the official website there are good discounts for bowls. Mostly discounts for 4 liters, but there are also discounts for 5 liters.
As I understand it, almost all 4-liter bowls are suitable for 4-liter multicooker, as well as with 5 liters.
Larssevsk
Quote: Rituslya

lastochka, now on the official website there are good discounts for bowls. Mostly discounts for 4 liters, but there are also discounts for 5 liters.
As I understand it, almost all 4-liter bowls are suitable for 4-liter multicooker, as well as with 5 liters.

Ritochka, thank you, dear. So the toad gnawed at me for 4000 a cup to buy. I ordered 2 bowls for myself - for frying and a thick-walled 4 mm. Now I will be 3 times happier
lastochka
Rituslya, I just saw these prices and decided to buy 3158 instead of 3197. I thought that it would be better for the difference in price to buy additional bowls, good and different

Generally at the office. the site is not very clear descriptions. For example, I look 🔗... Written by: For multicooker Philips HD3133, HD3037, HD3058, HD3077, HD3067. And what conclusion should I draw from this, as an ordinary user? That this bowl is not suitable for 3158
Larssevsk
Not a fig their site does not work today. Payment failed. The order was canceled.
I hope I have time to buy my bowls at sweet prices
Rituslya
Larissa, Lar, they have had this action for a long time on the site. I keep running by in thought-nat me a 4-liter with grill strips or will I manage? Climbed now to look, so everything hangs.
lastochka, I use a bowl 3737 in cartoon 3197. I bought it in Eldorado in the summer. Everything is great.
As they explained to me, these are universal bowls, suitable for all Philips multicooker with a volume of 5 liters.
The only thing is that bowls with handles are not suitable for all multicooker.
But if you have any doubts, of course, you need to call and clarify. Definitely!

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